Based on my experiences during U.S. prime gaming time, I've seen members of the known PvP guilds fighting against each other more than I see them banding together. I've also noticed better GG match-ups during U.S. prime time. During EU prime it's WAY more chaotic and random with a more noticeable amount of inexperienced players.
Those Europeans!! It's all their fault!!!
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Based on my experiences during U.S. prime gaming time, I've seen members of the known PvP guilds fighting against each other more than I see them banding together. I've also noticed better GG match-ups during U.S. prime time. During EU prime it's WAY more chaotic and random with a more noticeable amount of inexperienced players.
Those Europeans!! It's all their fault!!!
Ha ha, thx made my day, had a great laugh!
Edit: Sadly true, many fellow EU players come in with zero enchants and only green junk gear. Yes i too see more professionalism from overseas players. Sometimes i stay up late night to get better matches, but can't always do that.
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David Icke
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
I've not read this entire thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating something which has already been mentioned.
I recently left my mostly PvE guild for one which (though not PvP only) runs a LOT of PvP and has some highly-ranked players. I PvP a lot and it fits my need better.
Just last night a buddy of mine, another HR who recruited me in, spent GG hour running a premade with me. If I were pugging and saw our group running together, I would have instantly puckered, simply based on the guild name and general assumptions. However...we sucked. We were dragging along a CW, SW and GF who, like myself, are also all new to the guild, and who (unlike myself) prefaced the session by stating that they were inexperienced, under-geared and not good at PvP. My buddy and I were running the premade to help our guildies develop their skills while honing our own. This is part of what a guild should be about, and part of what premades in GG can be very useful for. Especially in light of training up guild rookies for Strongholds.
I am not dismissing the basic premise here...I have been curb-stomped by premades many times (much more than I can count) in PvP while pugging with a pack of mediocre (or terrible) teammates, so I totally get it. But in all honesty I find this to be MUCH more prevalent in Domination, and I have to say that I believe that premade training runs like we were doing last night should not only be acceptable, but encouraged. But maybe this just goes without saying.
Anyone reading this would wish they'd teamed against us last night...we looked fierce but were squishy as baby bunnies. My buddy and I got our kills, and our team capped our nodes, but we did not win a single match out of the three we played. We simply helped our teammates to get some advice and good playing time under their belts with solid team support.
Just thought this would bear mentioning.
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lirithielMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,482Arc User
All I ever hear about changing the matchmaking system is that it would make queue times unbearably long. But has it even been tinkered with in the last year or so? Why not just test the waters and implement separate queuing for solo and premades. Run it for a week and see how it goes. If it doesn't work then pull the plug and go back to the drawing board. But maybe just maybe it could actually work and improve the pvp experience for many of us not in pvp guilds and just looking to get some enjoyment out of the game.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
IT does seem lately that there are more people 3k plus, which would be fine if I went with my main, but I use GG to gear up alts.. and lately its not quite fun to play.
Used to be GG wasnt about pug stomping, but I have no ideal why lately people have to manipulate the queue to get thier buddies in. Just effing disgusting honestly.
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
All I ever hear about changing the matchmaking system is that it would make queue times unbearably long. But has it even been tinkered with in the last year or so? Why not just test the waters and implement separate queuing for solo and premades. Run it for a week and see how it goes. If it doesn't work then pull the plug and go back to the drawing board. But maybe just maybe it could actually work and improve the pvp experience for many of us not in pvp guilds and just looking to get some enjoyment out of the game.
Its been implemented and removed cus it was actually taking easily 20-40 mins for every pop, back then ppl just stopped queuing because the wait time was stupid, and then guess what? less ppl queue up, means its even harder for the system to find players that matches your level, as a result pvp became a ghost town. The curreny system we have now is the imrpoved version, if ppl are not happy with it, feel free to give constructive suggestion, ones that actually has details about how to make it work, cus a company is not gonna spend time to TRY out a players' suggestion, its DO or DO NOT cus at the end if it doesnt work whos gonna bear the responsibility?
I don't see why longer queues are any better than sitting waiting for a queue only to be stomped by PvP guilds anyway. I'm sure the latter drives away more people than longer queues.
If they implemented fairer changes and it resulted in longer queues the solution is simple, encourage people to PvP with bonuses etc. Don't try to drive up participation on a broken system as you'll benefit the highly geared players while turning off the newer ones.
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
edited July 2015
I dont understand why everyone only talk about being stomped by PvP guilds, it almost sound like every match u guys have is against pvp guild premades. I and many others in this forum have personally solo queued 80-90% our NCL games including famous NW bloggers like Josh and Lazriel, our experience is solo queue's chance against premade is only about 5~10% which is really not a big deal, in fact during NCL I solo queued 100% my first 60 matches or so and only came across full premades 2-3 times, I soloed my way up from page 75 to page 5 in 2 day. The queue system is not that bad, if u struggle consitently being outgeared by most of the people you come across then mayhaps your gear level is below average or mayhaps u shoud look for other ways to utilise ur usefulness for the team.
Personally I consider 3k ilvl the average item level for pvp, 3.5k is good 4k is great but obviously it also depends on thr character's playstyle and experience.
Correction, that 5-10% is now closer to 90% when i am online, which is a broad range, cause my job is flexible. Sometimes i can only see the differnt trains aka. Expresses and some affiliated guilds on their side. I have to agree, it was 5-10%, but not now, since the end of NCL it's even worse, that's why i opened this thread.
It may be, that we play a different game, but all my friends and guildies around me say, it is mainly premades and not 5-10%, maybe it was way back.
My NCL queues were mainly 80% or more against premades, that's why i gave up, i did hunt down a few of those whales and bug abusers, but after a while i had enough, not just that my ranking went from top to bottom with a speed of a Ferrari, but i was disgusted by all the "honest" gameplay i saw from many PVP guilds. I have made a ton of screenshots too, so if anybody comes to me, no this wasn't so, i can make a nice presentation, how NCL matches were manipulated, even before an actual match begun!
@lirithiel is right 100%, why not give it a try or better why not fix it, isn't the later one obvious or am i getting too old?!
It's only my opinion, but i would rather wait for a good home made meal 40 mins, than eat fast food, which is utterly unhealthy, same goes for PVP.
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
Just wondering are u queuing GG or DOM cus veteran pvpers likes to queue DOM as the likehood of facing strong opponents id higher. I have been solo queuing for GG in the past 2 weeks and didn't notice much premades during Austslia's peak hours...
I mainly do GG PVP, used to play more DOM, but now only do it with my GF in the 60-69 bracket. My observation is, that premades don't bother us there anymore a lot, cause they have their toons already at lvl 70.
With my main PVP toon, which is lvl 70, when Mod 6 came out i first did a bit of DOM and it was terrible for a decently geared and not exploiting, no artifact abusing player, so i hopped over to GG PVP entirely, except NCL League for the chance of better gear, which i sadly didn't get, only my good ranking went poof. After NCL i only did GG PVP and as i wrote above in many game hours, cause job is flexible.
Don't wanna get into it too much, cause i don't want to step onto your feet mate, as i wrote i mainly see the Expresses and some others, but yep you don't need a trained eye to see they are from same guilds.
BTW we all know, you can listen into channels where they arrange the meetings to roll over easy targets. As the dear doctor wrote above, they don't need the glory, so i can only second his view, it is simply hunting for easy prey with despicable methods and some ego stuff.
I tried to open this thread to convince both sides to make a gentlemen's agreement as we say in international law, but without all too many gentlemen it's pretty hard. My idea was to kinda do the job instead of the Devs, since they aren't very interested to fix PVP.
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Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
I dont understand why everyone only talk about being stomped by PvP guilds, it almost sound like every match u guys have is against pvp guild premades. I and many others in this forum have personally solo queued 80-90% our NCL games including famous NW bloggers like Josh and Lazriel, our experience is solo queue's chance against premade is only about 5~10% which is really not a big deal, in fact during NCL I solo queued 100% my first 60 matches or so and only came across full premades 2-3 times, I soloed my way up from page 75 to page 5 in 2 day. The queue system is not that bad, if u struggle consitently being outgeared by most of the people you come across then mayhaps your gear level is below average or mayhaps u shoud look for other ways to utilise ur usefulness for the team.
Personally I consider 3k ilvl the average item level for pvp, 3.5k is good 4k is great but obviously it also depends on thr character's playstyle and experience.
in short termes, it is prbably not 90% but for sure not 5-10% facing premade, but all i experience and hear from my guild mates is the same that I experience, facing either premades or 3-4k+ player with my 2-2,5k chars.
The matchmaking atm is extremely bad, all in all its caused by some factors I guess
1. NCL ended
2. lots of player stopped PVP since season ended
3. lots of player stopped playing this game atm, can´t say why ..new mod coming/other games?
thast what i experience looking in my guildlog, its half of ppl there that formerly took part from a big guild
4. lots of "solo" player turned their back to this game since mod 6
5. and by sure the matchmaker stops ppl from taking part in PVP
I would have no problem to wait for a balanced match for 20min, not at all.
A disbalanced match just steals my time, I hate it, and stopped playing for some time
They did nothing else tahn sacrificing the fun 90% of PVP player had and could have to satisfy the need for kills/matches for the minority of BIS or near BIS player
its very short sighted because there won´t be lots of ppl grow up in this kind of system and PVP as the last challenge in this game will be nomansland in some time, misconcept
If the matchmaker would be improved it would take some time to improve the situation, but i am sure the player would come back instead of leaving one by one this part of the game
the big mass of player is not maxed, the hard core of pvp player are the ones who dare queing and stick with this broken PVP
if you soloqueue as BIS player it probably takes long time to find a match with equal geared player, but thats by sure not the probelam of a 2-3k GS player
the solution that cryptic chose for some hardcoreplayer, that are over represented in forum and probably complained about the long queues, was matching them with 2-2,5k chars to give them some food, thats Bul.lshit.t
3k is by sure not the average itmelevel in this game, you only see the rest of player who queues, all T negated and T feytouched, the big mass stoped going GG and Dom
3-4k GS player might be <10% of the games player , i guess its more 5%
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
I tried to open this thread to convince both sides to make a gentlemen's agreement as we say in international law, but without all too many gentlemen it's pretty hard. My idea was to kinda do the job instead of the Devs, since they aren't very interested to fix PVP.
Its simple, if you say GG, people generally stop attacking you. For those that doesn't stop attacking you, they are probably crappy pvper that doesn't know what manner is anyway. Feel free to report the bad manner pvpers to the guild admins if they are from Purple Dragon or Absolute, cus I am sure the admins doesn't want any of these players in our guild. (Unless that assult is for personal reason, like you personally did that to that person in the past and they are just taking their revenge...)
I have seen some pugs from my pug team that continues to attack the team that gave up eventhough they said GG and was not fighting back, so I told them to just all jump down to gang the bad-mannered noob, it was not a pleasant match for the noob to say the least......
They did nothing else tahn sacrificing the fun 90% of PVP player had and could have to satisfy the need for kills/matches for the minority of BIS or near BIS player
its very short sighted because there won´t be lots of ppl grow up in this kind of system and PVP as the last challenge in this game will be nomansland in some time, misconcept
If the matchmaker would be improved it would take some time to improve the situation, but i am sure the player would come back instead of leaving one by one this part of the game
the big mass of player is not maxed, the hard core of pvp player are the ones who dare queing and stick with this broken PVP
if you soloqueue as BIS player it probably takes long time to find a match with equal geared player, but thats by sure not the probelam of a 2-3k GS player
the solution that cryptic chose for some hardcoreplayer, that are over represented in forum and probably complained about the long queues, was matching them with 2-2,5k chars to give them some food, thats Bul.lshit.t
3k is by sure not the average itmelevel in this game, you only see the rest of player who queues, all T negated and T feytouched, the big mass stoped going GG and Dom
3-4k GS player might be <10% of the games player , i guess its more 5%
Over the past 2 weeks I have been solo queuing GG PvP a few games each day, and from my experience, I only really run into premades once in like 10~15 games, I dont seem that often, at all. (Again I play during Australia's peak hours)
And when I say 3K is an average, I mean 3K is the level where you can start to perform in PvP, 3.5K allows you to perform well, and 4k players can perform beastly if played well. Unfortunately players below 2.5K players are generally easy kill for top level pvpers and unless they can help the team in support role (like help capping, help hard capping, lure the enemies away from node, survive and troll the enemy so they dont get on to your nodes, heal your teammates and stay alive, help with CC attacks alongside other strong DPSers which helps the strong DPSer to land big hits...etc), if they decide to travel by themselves and face other strong PvPers 1 vs 1, they are usually easy kill. A lot of players wants to be hero and go 1 vs 1 or 1 vs many, but the reality is, if they cannot understand how to best position their role in a group, it generally only mean a not-so-helpful teammate and is what the top players called 'pugs'.
I wish to clairfy that I mean no offense, however those are the ugly truth about the current state of PvP.
I solo queued 99% of the NCL...in over 200 games i ran into full premades 2 times. Got some duo here and there. Going in with 3+ groups increases the chances of facing a premade of some sort. In fact one full premade i faced was one of the 2 times i queued with 2 guildies.
But even out of ncl, i rarely meet full premades or 3+ premades. More often it's geared/ expert pvpers put together by crappy matchmaking.
My opinion is that during certain hours there are more top-pvpers up, and the chances to face those top players is high. During other hours you are more likely to face weaker opponents.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
edited July 2015
i think one of the big issues with these pvp guilds is.....
when my team face opponents and we heavily outgear them, i always go more cool, presure to low
these pvp guilds premades are like machines, even if they have sure win. they all move all together when they see one enemy and roflstomping him 5vs1. this is about prestige they never get. as i usually wrote, farmers
I solo queued 99% of the NCL...in over 200 games i ran into full premades 2 times. Got some duo here and there. Going in with 3+ groups increases the chances of facing a premade of some sort. In fact one full premade i faced was one of the 2 times i queued with 2 guildies.
But even out of ncl, i rarely meet full premades or 3+ premades. More often it's geared/ expert pvpers put together by crappy matchmaking.
My opinion is that during certain hours there are more top-pvpers up, and the chances to face those top players is high. During other hours you are more likely to face weaker opponents.
The higher you're in the ranking the higher chance of meeting all those BIS geared premades. If they didnt play premade they would advocate for solo q as well.
My experience post NCL has been that GG has been full of premades, to the extent I don't bother at all any more. Dom varies, but the trouble is that the matching system is so bad that even when they're almost certainly not premades I'm still finding myself against 2 palas and a DC while my team has no healing and people with green gear.
My experience post NCL has been that GG has been full of premades, to the extent I don't bother at all any more. Dom varies, but the trouble is that the matching system is so bad that even when they're almost certainly not premades I'm still finding myself against 2 palas and a DC while my team has no healing and people with green gear.
Yep i can only second all your words mate!
I am thinking to leave the PVP battlefields for Mod 7 entirely and i won't participate in SH PVP, not a single time. Imagine all this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> of broken classes, no proper matchmaking, no ELO, no bug fixing, no exploit banning paired with a loss of valuables, if you lose a SH PVP match. No thanks, not with me, but i smell tensions amongst guildies coming too, who will pay and how much for recunstructions, if we would lose a SH PVP match. Money can cause problems in family, not to mention between totally strangers, who are only bound together by a guild.
The green gear is dominating nowadays on the few new players and on many fresh 60-69/70 toons too.
I have made so many screenshots, when i did NCL, 4 team mates all in green and bule junk facing EoA, Midnight Express and others, just name a few known ones.
Yes my ranking was high, maybe that's why i had to face them, i even won matches 4v5 aginst premades, which i am very proud of and got a ton of invites, sadly many contained not so legit hints.
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Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Last night I went into a level 10-19 dom and it's ludicrous. Someone on my team had an ilvl of 1200. At level 16. All level 12 enchants, all epic Mulhorand gear, etc. The game's pvp is in such a stupid mess.
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
Yesterday I entered exactly 3 matches... and got my 8k. Here is what I found...
Each match had at least 4 to 6 members of the Express buried in it. The first match it seemed that they gave up because the match was too close and it may have to drag on longer than expected.
@subnocte I do not think that a low-level TWINK should be able to slot anything higher than 5's.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
Last night I went into a level 10-19 dom and it's ludicrous. Someone on my team had an ilvl of 1200. At level 16. All level 12 enchants, all epic Mulhorand gear, etc. The game's pvp is in such a stupid mess.
Yes, i normally love baby PVP, but it got toxicated too- sadly. They really could max the used gear in there, say rank 5s and just normal enchants, so everybody, even the poorer and unexperienced players could get a chance. In this state baby PVP just scares away beginners, if they see, how they get steamrolled so early.
Those rank 12 users are mainly seasoned players handing down a "few" enchants to their alts. (Boy would i like to ask them, where they have all those transcendent enchants by dozens, some have nearly all kinds of them, on every toon....)
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Last night I went into a level 10-19 dom and it's ludicrous. Someone on my team had an ilvl of 1200. At level 16. All level 12 enchants, all epic Mulhorand gear, etc. The game's pvp is in such a stupid mess.
Yes, i normally love baby PVP, but it got toxicated too- sadly. They really could max the used gear in there, say rank 5s and just normal enchants, so everybody, even the poorer and unexperienced players could get a chance. In this state baby PVP just scares away beginners, if they see, how they get steamrolled so early.
Those rank 12 users are mainly seasoned players handing down a "few" enchants to their alts. (Boy would i like to ask them, where they have all those transcendent enchants by dozens, some have nearly all kinds of them, on every toon....)
It's no surprise things are a mess when it's like this even from level 10.
Back on my main tonight I played dom, had to wait a while and then got the Expresses and co. as premades. Lost of course, all had negation, my team were 1800-2000 mostly. Then GG, premades on the other team, all with negation again.
I've given up aside from doing matches for the AD reward now. There's no fun at all in it.
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
Its clear most of the ppl's concern is toward one specific guild...shoulda change the topic to "Could Pugnight Express leave us at least GG PVP?"
Its clear most of the ppl's concern is toward one specific guild...shoulda change the topic to "Could Pugnight Express leave us at least GG PVP?"
wrong, absolute is creating premades pretty frequently too, at domination
This thread is about GG... we all know that EVERY PvP guild enters Dom with premades. Well except for the Expresses... they like trolling the easy wins.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
I solo queued for almost all my GG PVP matches and I've played with and against full premades from a "distant relative of a lubricant company" a couple times. Not sure if they too enter GG PVP in full premades all the time or its my affinity to play with/against them.
Well it certainly wasn't fun playing against premades in GG PVP, where teams are usually very diverse, both in skills and gears. A premade usually tips the scale.
On the bright side, I did played quite a no. of intense and close fights lately where all 10 players from both sides stayed till the end and the points difference remained within 100-200. Exhilarating!
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Those Europeans!!
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Ha ha, thx made my day, had a great laugh!
Edit: Sadly true, many fellow EU players come in with zero enchants and only green junk gear. Yes i too see more professionalism from overseas players. Sometimes i stay up late night to get better matches, but can't always do that.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
I recently left my mostly PvE guild for one which (though not PvP only) runs a LOT of PvP and has some highly-ranked players. I PvP a lot and it fits my need better.
Just last night a buddy of mine, another HR who recruited me in, spent GG hour running a premade with me. If I were pugging and saw our group running together, I would have instantly puckered, simply based on the guild name and general assumptions. However...we sucked. We were dragging along a CW, SW and GF who, like myself, are also all new to the guild, and who (unlike myself) prefaced the session by stating that they were inexperienced, under-geared and not good at PvP. My buddy and I were running the premade to help our guildies develop their skills while honing our own. This is part of what a guild should be about, and part of what premades in GG can be very useful for. Especially in light of training up guild rookies for Strongholds.
I am not dismissing the basic premise here...I have been curb-stomped by premades many times (much more than I can count) in PvP while pugging with a pack of mediocre (or terrible) teammates, so I totally get it. But in all honesty I find this to be MUCH more prevalent in Domination, and I have to say that I believe that premade training runs like we were doing last night should not only be acceptable, but encouraged. But maybe this just goes without saying.
Anyone reading this would wish they'd teamed against us last night...we looked fierce but were squishy as baby bunnies. My buddy and I got our kills, and our team capped our nodes, but we did not win a single match out of the three we played. We simply helped our teammates to get some advice and good playing time under their belts with solid team support.
Just thought this would bear mentioning.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
Used to be GG wasnt about pug stomping, but I have no ideal why lately people have to manipulate the queue to get thier buddies in. Just effing disgusting honestly.
Its been implemented and removed cus it was actually taking easily 20-40 mins for every pop, back then ppl just stopped queuing because the wait time was stupid, and then guess what? less ppl queue up, means its even harder for the system to find players that matches your level, as a result pvp became a ghost town. The curreny system we have now is the imrpoved version, if ppl are not happy with it, feel free to give constructive suggestion, ones that actually has details about how to make it work, cus a company is not gonna spend time to TRY out a players' suggestion, its DO or DO NOT cus at the end if it doesnt work whos gonna bear the responsibility?
Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
If they implemented fairer changes and it resulted in longer queues the solution is simple, encourage people to PvP with bonuses etc. Don't try to drive up participation on a broken system as you'll benefit the highly geared players while turning off the newer ones.
Personally I consider 3k ilvl the average item level for pvp, 3.5k is good 4k is great but obviously it also depends on thr character's playstyle and experience.
Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
Correction, that 5-10% is now closer to 90% when i am online, which is a broad range, cause my job is flexible. Sometimes i can only see the differnt trains aka. Expresses and some affiliated guilds on their side. I have to agree, it was 5-10%, but not now, since the end of NCL it's even worse, that's why i opened this thread.
It may be, that we play a different game, but all my friends and guildies around me say, it is mainly premades and not 5-10%, maybe it was way back.
My NCL queues were mainly 80% or more against premades, that's why i gave up, i did hunt down a few of those whales and bug abusers, but after a while i had enough, not just that my ranking went from top to bottom with a speed of a Ferrari, but i was disgusted by all the "honest" gameplay i saw from many PVP guilds. I have made a ton of screenshots too, so if anybody comes to me, no this wasn't so, i can make a nice presentation, how NCL matches were manipulated, even before an actual match begun!
@lirithiel is right 100%, why not give it a try or better why not fix it, isn't the later one obvious or am i getting too old?!
It's only my opinion, but i would rather wait for a good home made meal 40 mins, than eat fast food, which is utterly unhealthy, same goes for PVP.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
With my main PVP toon, which is lvl 70, when Mod 6 came out i first did a bit of DOM and it was terrible for a decently geared and not exploiting, no artifact abusing player, so i hopped over to GG PVP entirely, except NCL League for the chance of better gear, which i sadly didn't get, only my good ranking went poof. After NCL i only did GG PVP and as i wrote above in many game hours, cause job is flexible.
Don't wanna get into it too much, cause i don't want to step onto your feet mate, as i wrote i mainly see the Expresses and some others, but yep you don't need a trained eye to see they are from same guilds.
BTW we all know, you can listen into channels where they arrange the meetings to roll over easy targets. As the dear doctor wrote above, they don't need the glory, so i can only second his view, it is simply hunting for easy prey with despicable methods and some ego stuff.
I tried to open this thread to convince both sides to make a gentlemen's agreement as we say in international law, but without all too many gentlemen it's pretty hard. My idea was to kinda do the job instead of the Devs, since they aren't very interested to fix PVP.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
in short termes, it is prbably not 90% but for sure not 5-10% facing premade, but all i experience and hear from my guild mates is the same that I experience, facing either premades or 3-4k+ player with my 2-2,5k chars.
The matchmaking atm is extremely bad, all in all its caused by some factors I guess
1. NCL ended
2. lots of player stopped PVP since season ended
3. lots of player stopped playing this game atm, can´t say why ..new mod coming/other games?
thast what i experience looking in my guildlog, its half of ppl there that formerly took part from a big guild
4. lots of "solo" player turned their back to this game since mod 6
5. and by sure the matchmaker stops ppl from taking part in PVP
I would have no problem to wait for a balanced match for 20min, not at all.
A disbalanced match just steals my time, I hate it, and stopped playing for some time
They did nothing else tahn sacrificing the fun 90% of PVP player had and could have to satisfy the need for kills/matches for the minority of BIS or near BIS player
its very short sighted because there won´t be lots of ppl grow up in this kind of system and PVP as the last challenge in this game will be nomansland in some time, misconcept
If the matchmaker would be improved it would take some time to improve the situation, but i am sure the player would come back instead of leaving one by one this part of the game
the big mass of player is not maxed, the hard core of pvp player are the ones who dare queing and stick with this broken PVP
if you soloqueue as BIS player it probably takes long time to find a match with equal geared player, but thats by sure not the probelam of a 2-3k GS player
the solution that cryptic chose for some hardcoreplayer, that are over represented in forum and probably complained about the long queues, was matching them with 2-2,5k chars to give them some food, thats Bul.lshit.t
3k is by sure not the average itmelevel in this game, you only see the rest of player who queues, all T negated and T feytouched, the big mass stoped going GG and Dom
3-4k GS player might be <10% of the games player , i guess its more 5%
Its simple, if you say GG, people generally stop attacking you. For those that doesn't stop attacking you, they are probably crappy pvper that doesn't know what manner is anyway. Feel free to report the bad manner pvpers to the guild admins if they are from Purple Dragon or Absolute, cus I am sure the admins doesn't want any of these players in our guild. (Unless that assult is for personal reason, like you personally did that to that person in the past and they are just taking their revenge...)
I have seen some pugs from my pug team that continues to attack the team that gave up eventhough they said GG and was not fighting back, so I told them to just all jump down to gang the bad-mannered noob, it was not a pleasant match for the noob to say the least......
Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
Over the past 2 weeks I have been solo queuing GG PvP a few games each day, and from my experience, I only really run into premades once in like 10~15 games, I dont seem that often, at all. (Again I play during Australia's peak hours)
And when I say 3K is an average, I mean 3K is the level where you can start to perform in PvP, 3.5K allows you to perform well, and 4k players can perform beastly if played well. Unfortunately players below 2.5K players are generally easy kill for top level pvpers and unless they can help the team in support role (like help capping, help hard capping, lure the enemies away from node, survive and troll the enemy so they dont get on to your nodes, heal your teammates and stay alive, help with CC attacks alongside other strong DPSers which helps the strong DPSer to land big hits...etc), if they decide to travel by themselves and face other strong PvPers 1 vs 1, they are usually easy kill. A lot of players wants to be hero and go 1 vs 1 or 1 vs many, but the reality is, if they cannot understand how to best position their role in a group, it generally only mean a not-so-helpful teammate and is what the top players called 'pugs'.
I wish to clairfy that I mean no offense, however those are the ugly truth about the current state of PvP.
Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
But even out of ncl, i rarely meet full premades or 3+ premades. More often it's geared/ expert pvpers put together by crappy matchmaking.
My opinion is that during certain hours there are more top-pvpers up, and the chances to face those top players is high. During other hours you are more likely to face weaker opponents.
when my team face opponents and we heavily outgear them, i always go more cool, presure to low
these pvp guilds premades are like machines, even if they have sure win. they all move all together when they see one enemy and roflstomping him 5vs1. this is about prestige they never get. as i usually wrote, farmers
The higher you're in the ranking the higher chance of meeting all those BIS geared premades. If they didnt play premade they would advocate for solo q as well.
Yep i can only second all your words mate!
I am thinking to leave the PVP battlefields for Mod 7 entirely and i won't participate in SH PVP, not a single time. Imagine all this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> of broken classes, no proper matchmaking, no ELO, no bug fixing, no exploit banning paired with a loss of valuables, if you lose a SH PVP match. No thanks, not with me, but i smell tensions amongst guildies coming too, who will pay and how much for recunstructions, if we would lose a SH PVP match. Money can cause problems in family, not to mention between totally strangers, who are only bound together by a guild.
The green gear is dominating nowadays on the few new players and on many fresh 60-69/70 toons too.
I have made so many screenshots, when i did NCL, 4 team mates all in green and bule junk facing EoA, Midnight Express and others, just name a few known ones.
Yes my ranking was high, maybe that's why i had to face them, i even won matches 4v5 aginst premades, which i am very proud of and got a ton of invites, sadly many contained not so legit hints.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Each match had at least 4 to 6 members of the Express buried in it. The first match it seemed that they gave up because the match was too close and it may have to drag on longer than expected.
@subnocte I do not think that a low-level TWINK should be able to slot anything higher than 5's.
Yes, i normally love baby PVP, but it got toxicated too- sadly. They really could max the used gear in there, say rank 5s and just normal enchants, so everybody, even the poorer and unexperienced players could get a chance. In this state baby PVP just scares away beginners, if they see, how they get steamrolled so early.
Those rank 12 users are mainly seasoned players handing down a "few" enchants to their alts. (Boy would i like to ask them, where they have all those transcendent enchants by dozens, some have nearly all kinds of them, on every toon....)
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
It's no surprise things are a mess when it's like this even from level 10.
Back on my main tonight I played dom, had to wait a while and then got the Expresses and co. as premades. Lost of course, all had negation, my team were 1800-2000 mostly. Then GG, premades on the other team, all with negation again.
I've given up aside from doing matches for the AD reward now. There's no fun at all in it.
Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
wrong, absolute is creating premades pretty frequently too, at domination
This thread is about GG... we all know that EVERY PvP guild enters Dom with premades. Well except for the Expresses... they like trolling the easy wins.
Well it certainly wasn't fun playing against premades in GG PVP, where teams are usually very diverse, both in skills and gears. A premade usually tips the scale.
On the bright side, I did played quite a no. of intense and close fights lately where all 10 players from both sides stayed till the end and the points difference remained within 100-200. Exhilarating!