That being said... the people who make premades will never agree that they are creating a bigger problem. That is until they realize, when it may be too late, that their actions caused the erosion of faster queues.
Another analogy for this one may be the decimation of the auto industry in Michigan. I have known union members who would support the UAW's effort to build a contract that would allow them to make more money. When I asked them when is enough, enough? Is it enough when the company that you work for can't afford to pay you and goes into debt in order to pay you? What happens when that company declares bankruptcy?
For those of you that do not know Detroit and the auto industry, were almost destroyed by people who felt the earned the right to get what they want... without the oversight to see that this will create a situation where they are unemployed.
The auto industry was bailed out, by the US Gov't, after many of them declared bankruptcy. Bailed out with money that they borrowed.
When you choose to forcefully harvest the pugs anywhere and anytime you can for your amusement and because you earned the right... you will end up destroying the PvP in this game. For some people I am sure that they do not realize that the toon that they just crushed has a person controlling it.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
I've been playing some levelling alts and if anything it's worse. Smaller premades, but ridiculously twinked - Cryptic really should have stopped people using BiS enchants on characters as low as level 10 in pvp.
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
I'm sure you also have a nice policy for shifting the blame to HAMSTER and mug victims.
"It's all their own fault"
ROFL
Sorry, no. Unless these pieces of sheet morons self-describing themselves as "PvP guilds" actually start growing some balls (or any other source of estrogen be it in the case they are females) and start playing "PvP" -- as in player versus player fights on an equal footing, no, it's nothing to do with low-geared people.
The only thing relevant is the scumbags and demented liars who think they are "PvP guilds", but in reality nothing but a bunch of griefer guilds, constantly fail to actually prove their worth and just succumb to all that easy-mode cakewalk backed up by million babysitters and heal slaves behind their backs.
IMO none of them have ever played PvP in reality. All they are used to is shooting fish in a barrel, clubbing baby seals, and beating a person with all his limbs tied up and then go bragging to the world that they are "experienced fighters".
Gimme a break. The band of scumsheets and worthless scum trolls who walk out the moment when their team doesn't seem to have a winning chance despite their trollmade? They ain't PvPers.
They just amateuer brats.
"PvP guilds?" LOL. Bullsheet.
What they're doing is essentially mail-ordering high-tech hunting gear, state-of-the-art rifles and nightvision goggles and all that sheet, and then walking up to the local zoo and shooting at caged and pacified animals and then taking selfie shots and calling themselves hunters, because they're too scared sheet of the real jungle where the real monsters and behemoths live. My bet is the moment they've suffered their first crushing defeat against the real deal who live at Domination, they ran away straight into GG afterwards, and embedded themsevles there and never going back.
How else would you explain the long, almost non-existent queues for Domination, while the relatively more frequent GG queues, and these so-called "PvP guilds" always show their face in GG and not in Dom?
They're nothing but 2-bit wannabes. They've never been the real deal.
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Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
I'm sure you also have a nice policy for shifting the blame to HAMSTER and mug victims.
"It's all their own fault"
ROFL
Nope, it is the devs fault... for a number of reasons. If I solo q and I end up in a team that has multiple 3k+ IL folks yet our pug enemies are the 1.8-2.5k group...it's not my fault, it's not the other randoms in my groups fault and it's not the pugs on the other side's fault. HAMSTER is simple really. And because it's surely not the enemies fault, I like to let folks cap their points and try to encourage my team to do the same.
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
I'm sure you also have a nice policy for shifting the blame to HAMSTER and mug victims.
"It's all their own fault"
ROFL
Sorry, no. Unless these pieces of sheet morons self-describing themselves as "PvP guilds" actually start growing some balls (or any other source of estrogen be it in the case they are females) and start playing "PvP" -- as in player versus player fights on an equal footing, no, it's nothing to do with low-geared people.
The only thing relevant is the scumbags and demented liars who think they are "PvP guilds", but in reality nothing but a bunch of griefer guilds, constantly fail to actually prove their worth and just succumb to all that easy-mode cakewalk backed up by million babysitters and heal slaves behind their backs.
IMO none of them have ever played PvP in reality. All they are used to is shooting fish in a barrel, clubbing baby seals, and beating a person with all his limbs tied up and then go bragging to the world that they are "experienced fighters".
Gimme a break. The band of scumsheets and worthless scum trolls who walk out the moment when their team doesn't seem to have a winning chance despite their trollmade? They ain't PvPers.
They just amateuer brats.
"PvP guilds?" LOL. Bullsheet.
What they're doing is essentially mail-ordering high-tech hunting gear, state-of-the-art rifles and nightvision goggles and all that sheet, and then walking up to the local zoo and shooting at caged and pacified animals and then taking selfie shots and calling themselves hunters.
They're nothing but 2-bit wannabes. They've never been the real deal.
To be honest, you just sound like an older baby. Funny how you speak as if the things you say are fact yet I see things differently, like ACTUALLY see things happen a different way. For instance, spending hours just to form and play an inhouse match...maybe you don't know but that's not shooting fish in a barrel. And there is no leaving because the fight is not easy. Organizing premades with other guilds, again, takes for freakin' ever but we do it. All of this is to seek out actual competition which means avoiding pugs.
So, Kweasa, why don't you champion a pug pvp channel? Get it going and I will buy your group 3 months of TS, give permissions to those you say are to manage your TS and I will come back as needed for admin purposes. For those who would like to use it, it would be a great tool as you know and no one would have to sacrifice their own TS. What do you say?
Nope, it is the devs fault... for a number of reasons. If I solo q and I end up in a team that has multiple 3k+ IL folks yet our pug enemies are the 1.8-2.5k group...it's not my fault, it's not the other randoms in my groups fault and it's not the pugs on the other side's fault. HAMSTER is simple really. And because it's surely not the enemies fault, I like to let folks cap their points and try to encourage my team to do the same.
Everyone who takes non-action against such fallacies have just as much blood on their hands as the devs. Every time GG queue forms, just maybe one or two strong PvP groups refuse to make premades and all solo queue, and that alone would go a LONG way to remedying this ridiculously lopsided nightmare.
Every time a very strong PvP player with high greade of gear refuses to join the idiot numbsheets calling out for premades on the PvP channel, and just queues solo, that also goes a LONG way to helping out the underdogs if the random hands of the queue sweep them and land them at the underdog side.
Every time, more and more veterans refuse this craapsheet and does their best to help out, things get better a little.
And yet, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
Instead, the 2-bit thugs and clowns they are, they call out for easy-peasy trollmade sheet groups on the PvP channel and gather up every talented PvPer under its roster and merrily take a stroll slaughtering lesser players.
Nobody, no developer is stopping any PvP guild members from refusing to do this, making the right decisions to help remedy the situation. The craap of environment we are in was given to us by the devs, yes, but its US who are making the craap choices, wrong decisions, and simply succumbing to the lure of easy kills and feeling of superiority they require to, I dunno, make up for their small genitals or something.
So NO. Don't blame the devs for your inaction. Blame yourselves, and don't turn your eyes from reality.
The choice is there. Some people still resist, still try to make it better by willingly giving up the easy kills, easymode cheesy PvP builds. As long as there are still people who resist in the face of this PHAILFEK craaptastrophe, people who sell themselves out to cheese and breeze have got NO excuses.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
So NO. Don't blame the devs for your inaction. Blame yourselves, and don't turn your eyes from reality.
The choice is there. Some people still resist, still try to make it better by willingly giving up the easy kills, easymode cheesy PvP builds. As long as there are still people who resist in the face of this PHAILFEK craaptastrophe, people who sell themselves out to cheese and breeze have got NO excuses.
I am not required to take action. Although I treat pugs as nice as I can I nor anyone else is required to do anything about it. And the reality is, you can help yourselves as well. It seems you would rather turn a blind eye to a little work to improve your quality of life. You are just mad and simply want it to be your way.
I also uncovered a reason behind the actions of the Expresso beans... many of them can't PvP without the help of teammates. 1v1 or 2v1 situations... they run or they die fast.
I am not required to take action. Although I treat pugs as nice as I can I nor anyone else is required to do anything about it. And the reality is, you can help yourselves as well. It seems you would rather turn a blind eye to a little work to improve your quality of life. You are just mad and simply want it to be your way.
Hence, like said;
"...a nice policy for shifting the blame to HAMSTER and mug victims - It's all their own fault..."
You've got here basically the equivalent of world's richest people exploiting the krapshit out of average joes, and of course its because "they don't help themselves."
Talk about frickin' hypocrisy in the finest.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
So if someone from CA trash talked to me in dom, I'm assuming "most of the guild members" are trash talker.
If someone from CA runs in a 1v1. You have the right to blame the whole guild on forum to be runners and nubs.
Keep judging the whole guild by solo acting individuals.
Don't judge the mob by the actions of the solo acting enforcers and capos.
I've heard this song before.
And yet, that still amounts upto sheet when the "whole guild" ain't doing squat, or don't have any control of the actions of those individuals, nor even have a set policy on acknowledging the pish-poor conditions of what PvP has become, in part, due to the actions of such individuals that act under your banners (or in this case, nametags).
You people don't really care, no do you think the grievances of the rest of the PvP population mean anything to even think or consider coming up with a set policy.
Like said, you PvP guilds don't give a sheet. You never have.
Thanks for proving the point.
Such a simple and elegant principle as to, go pick on someone your own size, and that one thing, is something even the largest pvp guilds don't really give a sheet, and don't even feel the slightest compelled to enforce or even suggest amongst their own members.
Because slaughtering the helpless is actually, unbeknownst to many, what PvP guilds in reality, are all about.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I am not required to take action. Although I treat pugs as nice as I can I nor anyone else is required to do anything about it. And the reality is, you can help yourselves as well. It seems you would rather turn a blind eye to a little work to improve your quality of life. You are just mad and simply want it to be your way.
Hence, like said;
"...a nice policy for shifting the blame to HAMSTER and mug victims - It's all their own fault..."
You've got here basically the equivalent of world's richest people exploiting the krapshit out of average joes, and of course its because "they don't help themselves."
Talk about frickin' hypocrisy in the finest.
More smoke I see. Funny, coming from a guy that has nothing but wall's of substance(read text), has nothing to really say. Nothing but a weak, really weak attempt to twist words. Also convenient that you dodge an idea to help yourselves. Usually you can't stop talking but now that it's on you...nothing of substance...
So if someone from CA trash talked to me in dom, I'm assuming "most of the guild members" are trash talker.
If someone from CA runs in a 1v1. You have the right to blame the whole guild on forum to be runners and nubs.
Keep judging the whole guild by solo acting individuals.
Because slaughtering the helpless is actually, unbeknownst to many, what PvP guilds in reality, are all about.
Saying something a million times doesn't make it fact. I've already given examples of what pvp guilds do to avoid pugs, to actually find competition. But of course, acknowledging these things wouldn't flow through-out your propaganda or satisfy your agenda.
Not all pvp guild members are the vile folks you portray just as pugs such as yourself are not all innocent little victims.
Don't judge the mob by the actions of the solo acting enforcers and capos.
I've heard this song before.
And yet, that still amounts upto sheet when the "whole guild" ain't doing squat, or don't have any control of the actions of those individuals, nor even have a set policy on acknowledging the pish-poor conditions of what PvP has become, in part, due to the actions of such individuals that act under your banners (or in this case, nametags).
You people don't really care, no do you think the grievances of the rest of the PvP population mean anything to even think or consider coming up with a set policy.
Like said, you PvP guilds don't give a sheet. You never have.
Thanks for proving the point.
Such a simple and elegant principle as to, go pick on someone your own size, and that one thing, is something even the largest pvp guilds don't really give a sheet, and don't even feel the slightest compelled to enforce or even suggest amongst their own members.
Because slaughtering the helpless is actually, unbeknownst to many, what PvP guilds in reality, are all about.
If you think that you will change anything with walls of text (full of trash talk) judging entire guilds you are wrong, thats not the way to achieve anything.
You like to judge, so lets go:
Maybe you have the bad habit of cry, shout and insult to the people to get what you want, but trust me, it will not work here. IDK what kind of education or what kind of life you have, but there is no justification for this.
You claim for principles but you talk like if you have not the basic ones.
Hope to see you in GG, because you cant solve any trouble with your words.
PS: I didnt join GG recently, but if the people that are requesting changes is like you ("Don't judge the mob by the actions of the solo acting enforcers and capos") I have nothing to do about this topic. Its more, instead of getting bored and do just 1 GG I will remember your words to get some fun. And then you will say what you want, but I will not give a HAMSTER because of your great speechs.
PS2: Im starting to ask myself some things.
When It was Delzoun versus Luskan (20 vs 20) most of the times the second group got roflstomped every X hours per day, all the days, for a long time.
All of the people that are "requesting changes" in this thread, and belonged to the Delzoun side (winning the 99%? of the matches), Where did you post about this????
Did you request any change to allow the Luskan side to win some matches and get into the Dwarf King dungeon?
If you belonged to Delzoun: Did you request any balance or you rushed Luskan members and sold the DK T2 gear at the AH? EVERY DAY.
Please, lets make some memory and review the facts just to clarify some of the topics that are being discussed and what kind of behavior is going on here.
Sorry, no. Unless these pieces of sheet morons self-describing themselves as "PvP guilds" actually start growing some balls (or any other source of estrogen be it in the case they are females) and start playing "PvP" -- as in player versus player fights on an equal footing, no, it's nothing to do with low-geared people.
The only thing relevant is the scumbags and demented liars who think they are "PvP guilds", but in reality nothing but a bunch of griefer guilds, constantly fail to actually prove their worth and just succumb to all that easy-mode cakewalk backed up by million babysitters and heal slaves behind their backs.
IMO none of them have ever played PvP in reality. All they are used to is shooting fish in a barrel, clubbing baby seals, and beating a person with all his limbs tied up and then go bragging to the world that they are "experienced fighters".
Gimme a break. The band of scumsheets and worthless scum trolls who walk out the moment when their team doesn't seem to have a winning chance despite their trollmade? They ain't PvPers.
They just amateuer brats.
I would agree with this description of certain PvP guilds, but not all of them. Some of us do enjoy rainbow premades (or at least non-troll comp teams) in domination; some other guilds mostly seem to enjoy picking on pugs in GG and will run troll comps like multiple OPs all day.
Personally, I generally don't run GG much and prefer good domination matches. There are occasions where running GG is alright, though.
Yes, Im sure that you double check the guild name before killing all those players in GG using your BiS chars. (????)
Nice try Best regards :*
PS: I will not quote what people said about your guild within this topic but you can search it by yourself .
PS2: Some guilds seem to enjoy joinning with a premade (with DC+OP), in low level PVP (<70), with Ranks 10 + Mulhorand + Transcendent, bragging and trolling all the day in a pvp chat channel, and then post on the forums like if they were the knights of the Arthur's round table.
Please xD
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
This is not a bad idea.
I have decided to end my efforts to hopefully influence the actions of some players regarding this issue. I have said this before and I have started to implement this practice... I will be playing my own game. If I am matched with a premade, I will leave the match. If I am matched against a premade... I will annoy and aggravate.
2 days ago I was teamed with what seemed to be a PUG, but if you looked it was not. It was a Euro premade, with members from WD-40 and Nik. One main reason that I did not leave is that we were fighting what appeared to be a PUG but might not have been. Also, I was trying out my new build in PvP. We ended up soundly beating a rather solid team with names that I know are damned good players... AND all members of different PvP guilds.
Those are the kind of matches I like to be in. Good teams with solid members on both sides.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
this is how selfish you are. we dont need more premades around, we need more players to elo works
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
this is how selfish you are. we dont need more premades around, we need more players to elo works
Yeah... I can personally attest that pherrow, along with many others, are NOT selfish. In fact I believe that he is suggesting that we take matters into our own hands and fight fire with fire... instead of complaining. That does not speak for the masses...
TBH... I believe there are some strong HAMSTER casual players who would jump at this chance. Then we could even say that we were randomly pugged together... lol. I would love to see this happen. So much so that I would love to make this happen.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
How many PUG's do you think there's who could stand a chance against 4k premade? PUG's are PUG's cause they lack time to no-life for items, dont spend too much $, do pvp only for the daily, etc.
Maybe let's change it that way: Once system gather 20 players for GG they're split between 2 teams by item lvl. so you can still play with your premade friends but not necessary in the same team.
I feel that the current aggressive gameplay in GG has pushed people away from entering the queues.
yeah, it is not a long time ago, gg pvp was full of casuals, i had no problem be top scorer, top killer. pvp guild members were rare, they mostly cater to domination arena at that times. Since they start to play gg more, pvp population go very tiny. we need permanent ncl asap
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
this is how selfish you are. we dont need more premades around, we need more players to elo works
Yeah... I can personally attest that pherrow, along with many others, are NOT selfish. In fact I believe that he is suggesting that we take matters into our own hands and fight fire with fire... instead of complaining. That does not speak for the masses...
TBH... I believe there are some strong HAMSTER casual players who would jump at this chance. Then we could even say that we were randomly pugged together... lol. I would love to see this happen. So much so that I would love to make this happen.
Nah man, its not to create incognito premades. That would go against what you guys want. I'm sayin, you can form teams of equally geared folks to essentially "inhouse". Que sinc can be a pain but it could be worth it for you guys. But this is about GG AND Dom. GG will of course take more folks and be a bit harder to get most of your folks in one instance.
Simply put, you guys can coordinate and crowd the que at the same time in a variety of ways, thus allowing you all to fight each other...kinda like a forced bracket. Granted, the bracket will be based on item level at first. I dunno, it's a simple concept but apparently folks are scared of it. And again, Ill front 3mo of TS for your convenience.
-And, keep in mind, sinc ques don't always work perfectly...
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
this is how selfish you are. we dont need more premades around, we need more players to elo works
Yeah... I can personally attest that pherrow, along with many others, are NOT selfish. In fact I believe that he is suggesting that we take matters into our own hands and fight fire with fire... instead of complaining. That does not speak for the masses...
TBH... I believe there are some strong HAMSTER casual players who would jump at this chance. Then we could even say that we were randomly pugged together... lol. I would love to see this happen. So much so that I would love to make this happen.
Nah man, its not to create incognito premades. That would go against what you guys want. I'm sayin, you can form teams of equally geared folks to essentially "inhouse". Que sinc can be a pain but it could be worth it for you guys. But this is about GG AND Dom. GG will of course take more folks and be a bit harder to get most of your folks in one instance.
Simply put, you guys can coordinate and crowd the que at the same time in a variety of ways, thus allowing you all to fight each other...kinda like a forced bracket. Granted, the bracket will be based on item level at first. I dunno, it's a simple concept but apparently folks are scared of it. And again, Ill front 3mo of TS for your convenience.
-And, keep in mind, sinc ques don't always work perfectly...
There are many avenues that a channel like that could take. In-house fights and premades re just the tip of the iceberg.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
Keep judging the whole guild by solo acting individuals.
The point is, those induviduals, quite numerous, are still in your guild and thus we can say the guild is ok with their behavior so we have all rights to put them all together in one pile.
Crapalanche express, I've been seeing their HAMSTER corpse-jumping in IWD since the said guild's been created. Oh and do I need to remind that fight when the said guild tried to trashtalk SS and EoA? Competition and courage went 404 when they actually came that instance and show where the said guild belongs to. Yeah, let's talk about bad fame.
Keep judging the whole guild by solo acting individuals.
The point is, those induviduals, quite numerous, are still in your guild and thus we can say the guild is ok with their behavior so we have all rights to put them all together in one pile.
Crapalanche express, I've been seeing their HAMSTER corpse-jumping in IWD since the said guild's been created. Oh and do I need to remind that fight when the said guild tried to trashtalk SS and EoA? Competition and courage went 404 when they actually came that instance and show where the said guild belongs to. Yeah, let's talk about bad fame.
There are relevant guilds who got some of their officers perma banned because of the use of heavy exploits, like the astral resonator one. With appeals from those guilds in order to get a ban remove, and not a bad word from the guild to the player who exploited that. Just expectations to get him back and a lot of love for him.
There are also guilds that premaded 20vs20 in the old GG with Q Sync and jumped inside the enemy spawn/campfire after the intial roflstomp, it was not enough to massacre players in the field, and this kind of behavior was coordinated by the guild founder/leader.
Ive seen players from another big guilds going to the enemy campfire in domination and with great eloquence say: "come down HAMSTER" after the match is done.
And another ones kill you in domination after GG words. And not only by one player.
But all that It does not matter. Only IWD fights with MEA is the important thing in the server. LOL
IDK what happened in IWD with MEA. I dont usually kill players there to jump over their dead bodies (maybe are you mad because someone of MEA did it to you? xD hahaha ). IWD is an open pvp zone, and nobody is forced to cross the pvp line, and also you dont need to do it. If you do it you must assume that anything can happen. Ive got attacked by a ton of players of the same guild at the same time inside IWD and Im not throwing HAMSTER to that guild in the forums for that.
Its open PVP. Its not elo balanced, there is no queue, there is not start/wait time to be ready for the combat, there is not the same number of players in each side, and another player does not need a valid reason to attack you.
Like everybody in this game (I think) Ive got a ton of hate PMs int that zone (and another ones) from a lot of guilds, even If I died versus 5 players: noob, p2w, FUs, hacker/cheater, etc. And again Im not posting all that HAMSTER in the forums. What Ive noticed is the more players you kill more hate pms you get. And maybe that problem is getting inside the forum.
In this game you dont lose your gear, XP or a 24 hour boss spawn if another player kills you. If you have some MMORPG experience you must know that the things that are you telling are jokes compared of what can you experience in this kind of games. This is not very hardcore, is very user friendly. And again we all play it without being forced to do it, and if you play it you dont need to cross any pvp line. If you want to sit in a chair, talk about histories, and be in a all-good-people environment full of Ned Flanders, maybe you want to go to the Moonstone Mask or just try another game.
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I respect your honesty.
That being said... the people who make premades will never agree that they are creating a bigger problem. That is until they realize, when it may be too late, that their actions caused the erosion of faster queues.
Another analogy for this one may be the decimation of the auto industry in Michigan. I have known union members who would support the UAW's effort to build a contract that would allow them to make more money. When I asked them when is enough, enough? Is it enough when the company that you work for can't afford to pay you and goes into debt in order to pay you? What happens when that company declares bankruptcy?
For those of you that do not know Detroit and the auto industry, were almost destroyed by people who felt the earned the right to get what they want... without the oversight to see that this will create a situation where they are unemployed.
The auto industry was bailed out, by the US Gov't, after many of them declared bankruptcy. Bailed out with money that they borrowed.
When you choose to forcefully harvest the pugs anywhere and anytime you can for your amusement and because you earned the right... you will end up destroying the PvP in this game. For some people I am sure that they do not realize that the toon that they just crushed has a person controlling it.
I'm sure you also have a nice policy for shifting the blame to HAMSTER and mug victims.
"It's all their own fault"
ROFL
Sorry, no. Unless these pieces of sheet morons self-describing themselves as "PvP guilds" actually start growing some balls (or any other source of estrogen be it in the case they are females) and start playing "PvP" -- as in player versus player fights on an equal footing, no, it's nothing to do with low-geared people.
The only thing relevant is the scumbags and demented liars who think they are "PvP guilds", but in reality nothing but a bunch of griefer guilds, constantly fail to actually prove their worth and just succumb to all that easy-mode cakewalk backed up by million babysitters and heal slaves behind their backs.
IMO none of them have ever played PvP in reality. All they are used to is shooting fish in a barrel, clubbing baby seals, and beating a person with all his limbs tied up and then go bragging to the world that they are "experienced fighters".
Gimme a break. The band of scumsheets and worthless scum trolls who walk out the moment when their team doesn't seem to have a winning chance despite their trollmade? They ain't PvPers.
They just amateuer brats.
"PvP guilds?" LOL. Bullsheet.
What they're doing is essentially mail-ordering high-tech hunting gear, state-of-the-art rifles and nightvision goggles and all that sheet, and then walking up to the local zoo and shooting at caged and pacified animals and then taking selfie shots and calling themselves hunters, because they're too scared sheet of the real jungle where the real monsters and behemoths live. My bet is the moment they've suffered their first crushing defeat against the real deal who live at Domination, they ran away straight into GG afterwards, and embedded themsevles there and never going back.
How else would you explain the long, almost non-existent queues for Domination, while the relatively more frequent GG queues, and these so-called "PvP guilds" always show their face in GG and not in Dom?
They're nothing but 2-bit wannabes. They've never been the real deal.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Nope, it is the devs fault... for a number of reasons. If I solo q and I end up in a team that has multiple 3k+ IL folks yet our pug enemies are the 1.8-2.5k group...it's not my fault, it's not the other randoms in my groups fault and it's not the pugs on the other side's fault. HAMSTER is simple really. And because it's surely not the enemies fault, I like to let folks cap their points and try to encourage my team to do the same.
To be honest, you just sound like an older baby. Funny how you speak as if the things you say are fact yet I see things differently, like ACTUALLY see things happen a different way. For instance, spending hours just to form and play an inhouse match...maybe you don't know but that's not shooting fish in a barrel. And there is no leaving because the fight is not easy. Organizing premades with other guilds, again, takes for freakin' ever but we do it. All of this is to seek out actual competition which means avoiding pugs.
So, Kweasa, why don't you champion a pug pvp channel? Get it going and I will buy your group 3 months of TS, give permissions to those you say are to manage your TS and I will come back as needed for admin purposes. For those who would like to use it, it would be a great tool as you know and no one would have to sacrifice their own TS. What do you say?
Everyone who takes non-action against such fallacies have just as much blood on their hands as the devs. Every time GG queue forms, just maybe one or two strong PvP groups refuse to make premades and all solo queue, and that alone would go a LONG way to remedying this ridiculously lopsided nightmare.
Every time a very strong PvP player with high greade of gear refuses to join the idiot numbsheets calling out for premades on the PvP channel, and just queues solo, that also goes a LONG way to helping out the underdogs if the random hands of the queue sweep them and land them at the underdog side.
Every time, more and more veterans refuse this craapsheet and does their best to help out, things get better a little.
And yet, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
Instead, the 2-bit thugs and clowns they are, they call out for easy-peasy trollmade sheet groups on the PvP channel and gather up every talented PvPer under its roster and merrily take a stroll slaughtering lesser players.
Nobody, no developer is stopping any PvP guild members from refusing to do this, making the right decisions to help remedy the situation. The craap of environment we are in was given to us by the devs, yes, but its US who are making the craap choices, wrong decisions, and simply succumbing to the lure of easy kills and feeling of superiority they require to, I dunno, make up for their small genitals or something.
So NO. Don't blame the devs for your inaction. Blame yourselves, and don't turn your eyes from reality.
The choice is there. Some people still resist, still try to make it better by willingly giving up the easy kills, easymode cheesy PvP builds. As long as there are still people who resist in the face of this PHAILFEK craaptastrophe, people who sell themselves out to cheese and breeze have got NO excuses.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Hence, like said;
"...a nice policy for shifting the blame to HAMSTER and mug victims - It's all their own fault..."
You've got here basically the equivalent of world's richest people exploiting the krapshit out of average joes, and of course its because "they don't help themselves."
Talk about frickin' hypocrisy in the finest.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Don't judge the mob by the actions of the solo acting enforcers and capos.
I've heard this song before.
And yet, that still amounts upto sheet when the "whole guild" ain't doing squat, or don't have any control of the actions of those individuals, nor even have a set policy on acknowledging the pish-poor conditions of what PvP has become, in part, due to the actions of such individuals that act under your banners (or in this case, nametags).
You people don't really care, no do you think the grievances of the rest of the PvP population mean anything to even think or consider coming up with a set policy.
Like said, you PvP guilds don't give a sheet. You never have.
Thanks for proving the point.
Such a simple and elegant principle as to, go pick on someone your own size, and that one thing, is something even the largest pvp guilds don't really give a sheet, and don't even feel the slightest compelled to enforce or even suggest amongst their own members.
Because slaughtering the helpless is actually, unbeknownst to many, what PvP guilds in reality, are all about.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
More smoke I see. Funny, coming from a guy that has nothing but wall's of substance(read text), has nothing to really say. Nothing but a weak, really weak attempt to twist words. Also convenient that you dodge an idea to help yourselves. Usually you can't stop talking but now that it's on you...nothing of substance...
Saying something a million times doesn't make it fact. I've already given examples of what pvp guilds do to avoid pugs, to actually find competition. But of course, acknowledging these things wouldn't flow through-out your propaganda or satisfy your agenda.
Not all pvp guild members are the vile folks you portray just as pugs such as yourself are not all innocent little victims.
If you think that you will change anything with walls of text (full of trash talk) judging entire guilds you are wrong, thats not the way to achieve anything.
You like to judge, so lets go:
Maybe you have the bad habit of cry, shout and insult to the people to get what you want, but trust me, it will not work here. IDK what kind of education or what kind of life you have, but there is no justification for this.
You claim for principles but you talk like if you have not the basic ones.
Hope to see you in GG, because you cant solve any trouble with your words.
PS: I didnt join GG recently, but if the people that are requesting changes is like you ("Don't judge the mob by the actions of the solo acting enforcers and capos") I have nothing to do about this topic. Its more, instead of getting bored and do just 1 GG I will remember your words to get some fun. And then you will say what you want, but I will not give a HAMSTER because of your great speechs.
PS2: Im starting to ask myself some things.
When It was Delzoun versus Luskan (20 vs 20) most of the times the second group got roflstomped every X hours per day, all the days, for a long time.
All of the people that are "requesting changes" in this thread, and belonged to the Delzoun side (winning the 99%? of the matches), Where did you post about this????
Did you request any change to allow the Luskan side to win some matches and get into the Dwarf King dungeon?
If you belonged to Delzoun: Did you request any balance or you rushed Luskan members and sold the DK T2 gear at the AH? EVERY DAY.
Please, lets make some memory and review the facts just to clarify some of the topics that are being discussed and what kind of behavior is going on here.
Yes, Im sure that you double check the guild name before killing all those players in GG using your BiS chars. (????)
Nice try
PS: I will not quote what people said about your guild within this topic but you can search it by yourself
PS2: Some guilds seem to enjoy joinning with a premade (with DC+OP), in low level PVP (<70), with Ranks 10 + Mulhorand + Transcendent, bragging and trolling all the day in a pvp chat channel, and then post on the forums like if they were the knights of the Arthur's round table.
Please xD
This is not a bad idea.
I have decided to end my efforts to hopefully influence the actions of some players regarding this issue. I have said this before and I have started to implement this practice... I will be playing my own game. If I am matched with a premade, I will leave the match. If I am matched against a premade... I will annoy and aggravate.
2 days ago I was teamed with what seemed to be a PUG, but if you looked it was not. It was a Euro premade, with members from WD-40 and Nik. One main reason that I did not leave is that we were fighting what appeared to be a PUG but might not have been. Also, I was trying out my new build in PvP. We ended up soundly beating a rather solid team with names that I know are damned good players... AND all members of different PvP guilds.
Those are the kind of matches I like to be in. Good teams with solid members on both sides.
this is how selfish you are. we dont need more premades around, we need more players to elo works
Yeah... I can personally attest that pherrow, along with many others, are NOT selfish. In fact I believe that he is suggesting that we take matters into our own hands and fight fire with fire... instead of complaining. That does not speak for the masses...
TBH... I believe there are some strong HAMSTER casual players who would jump at this chance. Then we could even say that we were randomly pugged together... lol. I would love to see this happen. So much so that I would love to make this happen.
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Maybe let's change it that way: Once system gather 20 players for GG they're split between 2 teams by item lvl. so you can still play with your premade friends but not necessary in the same team.
Atm there is not enough people.
EDIT: I leaved GG, no matter what Ive said before, but that will not change anything.
Nah man, its not to create incognito premades. That would go against what you guys want. I'm sayin, you can form teams of equally geared folks to essentially "inhouse". Que sinc can be a pain but it could be worth it for you guys. But this is about GG AND Dom. GG will of course take more folks and be a bit harder to get most of your folks in one instance.
Simply put, you guys can coordinate and crowd the que at the same time in a variety of ways, thus allowing you all to fight each other...kinda like a forced bracket. Granted, the bracket will be based on item level at first. I dunno, it's a simple concept but apparently folks are scared of it. And again, Ill front 3mo of TS for your convenience.
-And, keep in mind, sinc ques don't always work perfectly...
There are many avenues that a channel like that could take. In-house fights and premades re just the tip of the iceberg.
Crapalanche express, I've been seeing their HAMSTER corpse-jumping in IWD since the said guild's been created. Oh and do I need to remind that fight when the said guild tried to trashtalk SS and EoA? Competition and courage went 404 when they actually came that instance and show where the said guild belongs to. Yeah, let's talk about bad fame.
There are relevant guilds who got some of their officers perma banned because of the use of heavy exploits, like the astral resonator one. With appeals from those guilds in order to get a ban remove, and not a bad word from the guild to the player who exploited that. Just expectations to get him back and a lot of love for him.
There are also guilds that premaded 20vs20 in the old GG with Q Sync and jumped inside the enemy spawn/campfire after the intial roflstomp, it was not enough to massacre players in the field, and this kind of behavior was coordinated by the guild founder/leader.
Ive seen players from another big guilds going to the enemy campfire in domination and with great eloquence say: "come down HAMSTER" after the match is done.
And another ones kill you in domination after GG words. And not only by one player.
But all that It does not matter. Only IWD fights with MEA is the important thing in the server. LOL
IDK what happened in IWD with MEA. I dont usually kill players there to jump over their dead bodies (maybe are you mad because someone of MEA did it to you? xD hahaha
Its open PVP. Its not elo balanced, there is no queue, there is not start/wait time to be ready for the combat, there is not the same number of players in each side, and another player does not need a valid reason to attack you.
Like everybody in this game (I think) Ive got a ton of hate PMs int that zone (and another ones) from a lot of guilds, even If I died versus 5 players: noob, p2w, FUs, hacker/cheater, etc. And again Im not posting all that HAMSTER in the forums. What Ive noticed is the more players you kill more hate pms you get. And maybe that problem is getting inside the forum.
In this game you dont lose your gear, XP or a 24 hour boss spawn if another player kills you. If you have some MMORPG experience you must know that the things that are you telling are jokes compared of what can you experience in this kind of games. This is not very hardcore, is very user friendly. And again we all play it without being forced to do it, and if you play it you dont need to cross any pvp line. If you want to sit in a chair, talk about histories, and be in a all-good-people environment full of Ned Flanders, maybe you want to go to the Moonstone Mask or just try another game.