I wish there were a 100 people queuing for PvP within ten minutes... that would create almost instant queue pops, I wouldn't be seeing the same players over again as often, and the developers would have the numbers to create a separate premade queue.
It seems really absurd to me for people to complain about other players queuing together because it's fun, because they're friends, because they're in the same guild, because they don't want to deal with dumb pugs, etc., when that's perfectly within the parameters of the game, and they could do the same. If they choose not to, that's fine. But I find it ridiculous to come to the forums complaining about players playing together in an MMORPG.
Again, the problem isn't that the game lets people play in groups, but that PvP is so heavily gear dependent in a P2W game, and can't support a separate queue system. Changes that affect THOSE parts of the game would actually improve the game, NOT preventing players from grouping together or whatever solution that hasn't actually been proposed in this thread.
Do you know for a fact that those numbers are not close to being accurate during the NCL?
What this is describing is something that I have experienced... and many others have as well... being matched against two 5 man premades from the same PvP guild or a related PvP guild. Which seems to be the norm in GG now.
Now me and my guildies used to enter GG as a premade, but none of us are close to being BiS. Occasionally we turned the tide and won... and occasionally we lost.
If you can honestly tell me that 2 premade parties cannot and do not enter on the same team for the sole purpose of crushing a Pug team... I would not believe you. If the only enjoyment you get from the game is crushing people that have a lower iL and less exp and are not in a PvP guild... maybe it is time to find a PvP ONLY game.
As many of the very experienced PvP guild members in here have stated... to enter for the sole purpose to destroy is a very low blow. When you do that... if you read all of the comments... you will make it so all you are doing is playing with yourselves.
For when you remove all possibility of winning... or even enjoying the match... 4000 AD is not worth the effort. To be treated as a lesser being.
BTW... this is not considered a P2W game... in fact many people frown on that moniker being used. If you choose to make it P2W, instead of earning your stripes... are you actually better for it? Based on cost per iL... I would say anyone with a 2.5k iL is better than most who paid for their 4k.
Understand that I am NOT saying that everyone in PvP is P2W... but the element is there and it was brought up.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
Velynna - this game is absurd. if you que with friends you either easy win or easy loss. so no fun. you deal with dumb pugs everytime either at your team or enemy.
i really wish game to be like many players play pvp, so matchmaking working and create many good matches. but thats not the case. Even pvp guild players creates threads here to possibly solve issues
drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
edited July 2015
Not many people play this game to get overtly abused... if they did there are a lot better choices to make regarding the enjoyment related to getting punished for existing.
So, IF that is the case I have a bunch of Domina and Dom friends, along with myself, who could help them out.
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Put GG pvp a pug only mode is not a bad idea, since domination pvp and coming stronghold pvp are both supporting team queue. In this case, GG pvp is kind of casual, practicing. In addition it gives way to get basic pvp gear. why not just change the design.
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
GG is where everyone of my guildies earned their gear. It should be a safe place to earn gear with out being destroyed by over-zealous opponents. I am glad that we all earned what we could... now my CW sits with substandard gear because I wont run him in GG.
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
edited July 2015
the last time i did group queue for GG was back when they first made GG penalty free.. cant even remember how many months ago that was... and I was running with rank 8-9 enchantment with greater vorpal....
I dont know if u realize there are actually still quite many 2-3k players from pvp guilds, its only the smaller portion of the veterans from those guild that are 4k+ ilvl and I dont really see them in GG and definately not group queuing except an Express guild and I have no idea why they are doing that... they are really giving the pvp guilds a bad name....
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As I have said before... the premades that I have seen in there were from Midnight, DayBreak and Afternoon Express... I have seen Coffee Emporium premades, but mostly solos. It seems to be where they like to conduct a lot of their business. I also believe that some of the Eastern Euro PvP guilds like it as well... because I rarely see them in Dom.
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As I have said before... the premades that I have seen in there were from Midnight, DayBreak and Afternoon Express... I have seen Coffee Emporium premades, but mostly solos. It seems to be where they like to conduct a lot of their business. I also believe that some of the Eastern Euro PvP guilds like it as well... because I rarely see them in Dom.
They getting crushed in Dom so they feed on pugs in GG, sad but true.
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
Well i tried it many times today too and couldn't progress only in just 1 match during my time zone, only EoA and the Express Trains teamed up in GG PVP.
I really don't understand Cryptic at all, they let the game ruined for thousands of people just to favor these few guilds. Shakes head. And i really don't wanna get into EoA's trick bag, what they all did...
My friends were out in IWD, they accidentally got flagged for PVP, they told that the Express branch, but no, they didn't let them even reach a camp to remove flag, they massacred them down all the way. So pathetic and such a low behavior.
Since there is no PVE content whatsover, i really would like Cryptic to open their eyes and see, that the only end game content now is unplayable and the low sytle behavior of some guilds drives people away, can you Cryptic allow yourself to lose out on customers, especially at this time?
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As I have said before... the premades that I have seen in there were from Midnight, DayBreak and Afternoon Express... I have seen Coffee Emporium premades, but mostly solos. It seems to be where they like to conduct a lot of their business. I also believe that some of the Eastern Euro PvP guilds like it as well... because I rarely see them in Dom.
They getting crushed in Dom so they feed on pugs in GG, sad but true.
Yep, they are so out of skill, that they only can slaughter easy PUGs, but God help them, if we had all the rank 12s and transcendent enchants, they would be a big bunch of zero.
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
As I have said before... the premades that I have seen in there were from Midnight, DayBreak and Afternoon Express... I have seen Coffee Emporium premades, but mostly solos. It seems to be where they like to conduct a lot of their business. I also believe that some of the Eastern Euro PvP guilds like it as well... because I rarely see them in Dom.
I can only second that and all my guildies and friends too!
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
The thing is that most players in PVP guilds don't even really like GG, they prefer domination, they are only queuing for GG because it's faster than queuing for Dom now, and the reason it's faster is because most people started to queue for GG instead of Dom to avoid having to play against those people. A PVP guild in GG is basically the fat smelly obnoxious kid who couldn't get anyone to show up at their own party crashing the other kids fun party and ruining it for everyone.
The thing is that most players in PVP guilds don't even really like GG, they prefer domination, they are only queuing for GG because it's faster than queuing for Dom now, and the reason it's faster is because most people started to queue for GG instead of Dom to avoid having to play against those people. A PVP guild in GG is basically the fat smelly obnoxious kid who couldn't get anyone to show up at their own party crashing the other kids fun party and ruining it for everyone.
...and when that trend continues, people stop queueing for any PvP as a whole. The numbers dwindle, the PvP queue gets longer for both Dom and GG, and sooner or later some of the casual PvPers begin wondering if this is really worth their time.
The game's not fun anymore, every opponent you meet are hopelessly bloated whales that you have no realistic chance of beating, or even at least having a fun fight. Everytime they queue they just spend 10minutes standing on the campfire... and they wait for the long, long queues to do this...??
So more people leave, the numbers dwindle, and soon PvP is totally abandoned.
It's known to happen. Happened in Champions Online as well. In the end, as much as the devs, the players killed their own content, and I just so remember it that the "whales" in that game, basically used to make the EXACT same excuses when they were killing off their game.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Not to hijack but look for my thread on a duel arena where you can duel with friends, choose to fight without weapons or armor, let's see who is the best based on skill with standard assigned weapons. Don't change pvp but add a duel arena for fun for those of us who would rather not be tbagged by people who hide behind their team. At most, they should have brackets for joining based on ilevel, not a perfect solution but if you go in with that ilevel, you stay in what you are wearing. I'd love to duel it out with people with roughly the same ilevel and just learn tactics and whatnot instead of just using the op item of the day.
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
PM me and I would unequip my gears to close to your level for some fun fights
PM me and I would unequip my gears to close to your level for some fun fights
How about you PM your guildies, and have a long discussion about how Absolute will never enter as premade again, unless they're scheduled for a match with other premades?
Why is it the BiS group that must make such sacrifices? Because you can afford it, IMO.
Do the right thing for a change, instead of trolling lesser players. People in that level.. Absolute.. Chocshoppers... EoAs.. MidEx... Purps.. all these players have plenty of gear/skill to do just fine with solo queueing, and they certainly don't need to have all those babysitters behind their back in normal level PvP matches.
"With great gear level, comes great responsibility"
Like said, if people really cared about PvP then they'd already be doing what's right for the community. The bigger, stronger player you are, the more that falls under your responsibility. The bigger the gear you have, the larger the penalty you can endure.
IMO this is what it means to show integrity as veteran players. Not making condescending quips and showing false pity as you knock over battalions of newbies and strut over their dead bodies.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
edited July 2015
Unfortunately I do not have the authority to tell others what to do, but I do not believe I have seen much if any Absolute/PD members entering GG as a group, as far as I know, most of them do solo. The only time I see people call out for premades, are for DOM, definitely not GG. (At the very early stage of mod6 there were some, but I dont believe I have seen it in the past 2~3 months, there could be a 2~3man group that occassionally queues up to finish up their daily, but definitely not consistent nor frequent)
Personally I respect casual players' opinion and believe PvP Guilds as a whole should not be abusing the pugs in GG unless there is a special reason, and from my experience in the past 2~3 months, I have been queuing GG solo (99% the time) and haven't seen much premades aside from a some potation express guild, so I believe its not fair addressing this to PvP Guilds as a whole, but specifically to potato express only
However the natural of a PvP guild is as it says, PvP, I believe there is no reason asking PvP guild not to run premade in DOM. A lot of PvP players has trained hard to excel their skills, and we know in this game a lot of classes' performance can be very different doing solo or in a team, hence I do not believe its fair to ask PvP guilds to join solo in DOM, cus at the end.
Obviously if you have concern about how Absolute or Purple Dragon's people are misbehaving, by all means, take a screenshot, take a video, send the concerns to the guild leader or councils, I am very sure they will take your feedbacks VERY SERIOUSLY as long as its for a valid reason.
What is a valid reason? Members caught using obvious exploits and does it repeatly/knowingly. Or members using offensive language to abuse someone in a very inappropriate manner. <-- Defintely a problem!
What is a invalid reason? My GWF running non stop and cannot be killed by 5~7+ pugs, I must be using exploits! Oh and all that gear you have, you must be a pocket warrior and uses exploits! <--- This is NOT valid.
If you guys do NOT voice out, we do NOT know who are the black sheeps, but simply insulting all PvP Guild's players as dirty pocket warrior that uses exploits is just very rude and offensive. Think about how you feel if you are being treated that way eventhough all you have been trying to do is to help the community, mutual respects helps.
PM me and I would unequip my gears to close to your level for some fun fights
How about you PM your guildies, and have a long discussion about how Absolute will never enter as premade again, unless they're scheduled for a match with other premades?
Why is it the BiS group that must make such sacrifices? Because you can afford it, IMO.
Do the right thing for a change, instead of trolling lesser players. People in that level.. Absolute.. Chocshoppers... EoAs.. MidEx... Purps.. all these players have plenty of gear/skill to do just fine with solo queueing, and they certainly don't need to have all those babysitters behind their back in normal level PvP matches.
"With great gear level, comes great responsibility"
Like said, if people really cared about PvP then they'd already be doing what's right for the community. The bigger, stronger player you are, the more that falls under your responsibility. The bigger the gear you have, the larger the penalty you can endure.
IMO this is what it means to show integrity as veteran players. Not making condescending quips and showing false pity as you knock over battalions of newbies and strut over their dead bodies.
Yes, I have seen Absolute members going solo. I have also seen them with members from other PvP guilds in the party, on the rare occasion. But definitely often enough to notice something was off. 5 individuals from 5 different PvP guilds... and they entered as solos' LMAO... ok. Their opponents... a non PvP guild pug.
I have seen PD, Absolute, Choc Shoppe and some Euro PvP guild members teamed up in GG AND in Dom. They give the illusion of random, but is it really random?
If you can't dictate policy... speak with those that do... or influence others by your actions. And question their actions to choose a premade crutch.
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The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
Is that the same Robert E. Lee that fought to continue slavery? He may have wanted to read his own stuff. Just sayin'
This is not about politics, please do not troll the Forums with it and yes i know you are out here to get the thread closed again, that's what we call an "agent provocateur". I know this thread kinda puts some of those low sytle behaving PVP guilds and their members in the spotlight, which you guys don't prefer. Of course, cause you like the shadows, the still water, no speak, no hear, no see politics and let NW PVP ruin it self completely. Not gonna happen, we are enough now, who see behind the curtains.
But since you didn't focus in school, i will try to explain. The Union-Confideracy issue was not 1% about slavery, since the North had slavery too. Grant and all the high ranking northener had slaves. They had to force Mrs. Grant to abandon her slaves, where as Lee had by the time none. The entire conflict was about taxes, the south payed, but had no rights in congress.
While i never supported any kind of slavery, not in the US and not elsewhere, the South stands for a life style, not for slavery.
Secondly, if you would study Lee's life a bit, you would know, he was a gentleman through out his life. Many here and especially these low sytle premades could learn a lot from his wisdom. He never humiliated people, not even his enemies. FACT
P.S: I have edited the dates from my original comment due to the fact, that even historians debate on them, but none the less, everything stands.
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The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
Is that the same Robert E. Lee that fought to continue slavery? He may have wanted to read his own stuff. Just sayin'
This is not about politics, please do not troll the Forums with it and yes i know you are out here to get the thread closed again, that's what we call an "agent provocateur". I know this thread kinda puts some of those low sytle behaving PVP guilds and their members in the spotlight, which you guys don't prefer. Of course, cause you like the shadows, the still water, no speak, no hear, no see politics and let NW PVP ruin it self completely. Not gonna happen, we are enough now, who see behind the curtains.
But since you didn't focus in school, i will try to explain. The Union-Confideracy issue was not 1% about slavery, since the Norh had slavery too. Grant and all the high ranking northener had slaves. In 1865 they had to force Mrs. Grant to abandon her slaves, where as Lee had none. The entire conflict was about taxes, the south payed, but had no rights in congress.
While i never supported any kind of slavery, not in the US and not elsewhere, the South stands for a life style, not for slavery.
Secondly, if you would study Lee's life a bit, you would know, he was a gentleman through out his life. Many here and especially these low sytle premades could learn a lot from his wisdom. He never humiliated people, not even his enemies. FACT
Schooled by a Hungarian... on the REAL American history.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
Is that the same Robert E. Lee that fought to continue slavery? He may have wanted to read his own stuff. Just sayin'
This is not about politics, please do not troll the Forums with it and yes i know you are out here to get the thread closed again, that's what we call an "agent provocateur". I know this thread kinda puts some of those low sytle behaving PVP guilds and their members in the spotlight, which you guys don't prefer. Of course, cause you like the shadows, the still water, no speak, no hear, no see politics and let NW PVP ruin it self completely. Not gonna happen, we are enough now, who see behind the curtains.
But since you didn't focus in school, i will try to explain. The Union-Confideracy issue was not 1% about slavery, since the Norh had slavery too. Grant and all the high ranking northener had slaves. In 1865 they had to force Mrs. Grant to abandon her slaves, where as Lee had none. The entire conflict was about taxes, the south payed, but had no rights in congress.
While i never supported any kind of slavery, not in the US and not elsewhere, the South stands for a life style, not for slavery.
Secondly, if you would study Lee's life a bit, you would know, he was a gentleman through out his life. Many here and especially these low sytle premades could learn a lot from his wisdom. He never humiliated people, not even his enemies. FACT
Schooled by a Hungarian... on the REAL American history.
Thank you my friend!
My love was always history, i eat and sleep with it. If i may, i would also acknowledge your wisdom, i see how well you defend your values since long time now, cudos to YOU!
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
edited July 2015
I stand by my horse... whether it wins or it loses. I have been told in game that "you are the most ethical person I have ever met."
Don't get me started on the rest of my values... we would be here all day.
The ONLY history that I dislike is the American history that I was taught in school. I have discovered the truth, over time, after I realized that everything is always written as the writer sees it... or the publisher wants it.
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There's no need for removing premades from current queues. Just create new ones which have solo q as restriction, so players can choose w/e they like the most. This will tell which queues players find more fun and more balanced.
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Do you know for a fact that those numbers are not close to being accurate during the NCL?
What this is describing is something that I have experienced... and many others have as well... being matched against two 5 man premades from the same PvP guild or a related PvP guild. Which seems to be the norm in GG now.
Now me and my guildies used to enter GG as a premade, but none of us are close to being BiS. Occasionally we turned the tide and won... and occasionally we lost.
If you can honestly tell me that 2 premade parties cannot and do not enter on the same team for the sole purpose of crushing a Pug team... I would not believe you. If the only enjoyment you get from the game is crushing people that have a lower iL and less exp and are not in a PvP guild... maybe it is time to find a PvP ONLY game.
As many of the very experienced PvP guild members in here have stated... to enter for the sole purpose to destroy is a very low blow. When you do that... if you read all of the comments... you will make it so all you are doing is playing with yourselves.
For when you remove all possibility of winning... or even enjoying the match... 4000 AD is not worth the effort. To be treated as a lesser being.
BTW... this is not considered a P2W game... in fact many people frown on that moniker being used. If you choose to make it P2W, instead of earning your stripes... are you actually better for it? Based on cost per iL... I would say anyone with a 2.5k iL is better than most who paid for their 4k.
Understand that I am NOT saying that everyone in PvP is P2W... but the element is there and it was brought up.
i really wish game to be like many players play pvp, so matchmaking working and create many good matches. but thats not the case. Even pvp guild players creates threads here to possibly solve issues
So, IF that is the case I have a bunch of Domina and Dom friends, along with myself, who could help them out.
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I dont know if u realize there are actually still quite many 2-3k players from pvp guilds, its only the smaller portion of the veterans from those guild that are 4k+ ilvl and I dont really see them in GG and definately not group queuing except an Express guild and I have no idea why they are doing that... they are really giving the pvp guilds a bad name....
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They getting crushed in Dom so they feed on pugs in GG, sad but true.
From what I have heard that is the rumor going around.
I really don't understand Cryptic at all, they let the game ruined for thousands of people just to favor these few guilds. Shakes head. And i really don't wanna get into EoA's trick bag, what they all did...
My friends were out in IWD, they accidentally got flagged for PVP, they told that the Express branch, but no, they didn't let them even reach a camp to remove flag, they massacred them down all the way. So pathetic and such a low behavior.
Since there is no PVE content whatsover, i really would like Cryptic to open their eyes and see, that the only end game content now is unplayable and the low sytle behavior of some guilds drives people away, can you Cryptic allow yourself to lose out on customers, especially at this time?
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Yep, they are so out of skill, that they only can slaughter easy PUGs, but God help them, if we had all the rank 12s and transcendent enchants, they would be a big bunch of zero.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
I can only second that and all my guildies and friends too!
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Robert E. Lee
Is that the same Robert E. Lee that fought to continue slavery? He may have wanted to read his own stuff. Just sayin'
...and when that trend continues, people stop queueing for any PvP as a whole. The numbers dwindle, the PvP queue gets longer for both Dom and GG, and sooner or later some of the casual PvPers begin wondering if this is really worth their time.
The game's not fun anymore, every opponent you meet are hopelessly bloated whales that you have no realistic chance of beating, or even at least having a fun fight. Everytime they queue they just spend 10minutes standing on the campfire... and they wait for the long, long queues to do this...??
So more people leave, the numbers dwindle, and soon PvP is totally abandoned.
It's known to happen. Happened in Champions Online as well. In the end, as much as the devs, the players killed their own content, and I just so remember it that the "whales" in that game, basically used to make the EXACT same excuses when they were killing off their game.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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How about you PM your guildies, and have a long discussion about how Absolute will never enter as premade again, unless they're scheduled for a match with other premades?
Why is it the BiS group that must make such sacrifices? Because you can afford it, IMO.
Do the right thing for a change, instead of trolling lesser players. People in that level.. Absolute.. Chocshoppers... EoAs.. MidEx... Purps.. all these players have plenty of gear/skill to do just fine with solo queueing, and they certainly don't need to have all those babysitters behind their back in normal level PvP matches.
"With great gear level, comes great responsibility"
Like said, if people really cared about PvP then they'd already be doing what's right for the community. The bigger, stronger player you are, the more that falls under your responsibility. The bigger the gear you have, the larger the penalty you can endure.
IMO this is what it means to show integrity as veteran players. Not making condescending quips and showing false pity as you knock over battalions of newbies and strut over their dead bodies.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Personally I respect casual players' opinion and believe PvP Guilds as a whole should not be abusing the pugs in GG unless there is a special reason, and from my experience in the past 2~3 months, I have been queuing GG solo (99% the time) and haven't seen much premades aside from a some potation express guild, so I believe its not fair addressing this to PvP Guilds as a whole, but specifically to potato express only
However the natural of a PvP guild is as it says, PvP, I believe there is no reason asking PvP guild not to run premade in DOM. A lot of PvP players has trained hard to excel their skills, and we know in this game a lot of classes' performance can be very different doing solo or in a team, hence I do not believe its fair to ask PvP guilds to join solo in DOM, cus at the end.
Obviously if you have concern about how Absolute or Purple Dragon's people are misbehaving, by all means, take a screenshot, take a video, send the concerns to the guild leader or councils, I am very sure they will take your feedbacks VERY SERIOUSLY as long as its for a valid reason.
What is a valid reason? Members caught using obvious exploits and does it repeatly/knowingly. Or members using offensive language to abuse someone in a very inappropriate manner. <-- Defintely a problem!
What is a invalid reason? My GWF running non stop and cannot be killed by 5~7+ pugs, I must be using exploits! Oh and all that gear you have, you must be a pocket warrior and uses exploits! <--- This is NOT valid.
If you guys do NOT voice out, we do NOT know who are the black sheeps, but simply insulting all PvP Guild's players as dirty pocket warrior that uses exploits is just very rude and offensive. Think about how you feel if you are being treated that way eventhough all you have been trying to do is to help the community, mutual respects helps.
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Yes, I have seen Absolute members going solo. I have also seen them with members from other PvP guilds in the party, on the rare occasion. But definitely often enough to notice something was off. 5 individuals from 5 different PvP guilds... and they entered as solos' LMAO... ok. Their opponents... a non PvP guild pug.
I have seen PD, Absolute, Choc Shoppe and some Euro PvP guild members teamed up in GG AND in Dom. They give the illusion of random, but is it really random?
If you can't dictate policy... speak with those that do... or influence others by your actions. And question their actions to choose a premade crutch.
This is not about politics, please do not troll the Forums with it and yes i know you are out here to get the thread closed again, that's what we call an "agent provocateur". I know this thread kinda puts some of those low sytle behaving PVP guilds and their members in the spotlight, which you guys don't prefer. Of course, cause you like the shadows, the still water, no speak, no hear, no see politics and let NW PVP ruin it self completely. Not gonna happen, we are enough now, who see behind the curtains.
But since you didn't focus in school, i will try to explain. The Union-Confideracy issue was not 1% about slavery, since the North had slavery too. Grant and all the high ranking northener had slaves. They had to force Mrs. Grant to abandon her slaves, where as Lee had by the time none. The entire conflict was about taxes, the south payed, but had no rights in congress.
While i never supported any kind of slavery, not in the US and not elsewhere, the South stands for a life style, not for slavery.
Secondly, if you would study Lee's life a bit, you would know, he was a gentleman through out his life. Many here and especially these low sytle premades could learn a lot from his wisdom. He never humiliated people, not even his enemies. FACT
P.S: I have edited the dates from my original comment due to the fact, that even historians debate on them, but none the less, everything stands.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Schooled by a Hungarian... on the REAL American history.
Thank you my friend!
My love was always history, i eat and sleep with it. If i may, i would also acknowledge your wisdom, i see how well you defend your values since long time now, cudos to YOU!
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Don't get me started on the rest of my values... we would be here all day.
The ONLY history that I dislike is the American history that I was taught in school. I have discovered the truth, over time, after I realized that everything is always written as the writer sees it... or the publisher wants it.
Inc rage from wallet warriors premade.