Seems like the low geared folks also don't care to do any work. How bout you guys do what was suggested by Rustlord in another thread. Create a custom PUG channel. Then within that channel (after you have put in the work to build it) create premades of near equally geared members and good comps then sinc que. Wanna go GG? Make a few groups, sinc up...fight each other. Why not, right?
I'm sure you also have a nice policy for shifting the blame to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and mug victims.
"It's all their own fault"
ROFL
Sorry, no. Unless these pieces of sheet morons self-describing themselves as "PvP guilds" actually start growing some balls (or any other source of estrogen be it in the case they are females) and start playing "PvP" -- as in player versus player fights on an equal footing, no, it's nothing to do with low-geared people.
The only thing relevant is the scumbags and demented liars who think they are "PvP guilds", but in reality nothing but a bunch of griefer guilds, constantly fail to actually prove their worth and just succumb to all that easy-mode cakewalk backed up by million babysitters and heal slaves behind their backs.
IMO none of them have ever played PvP in reality. All they are used to is shooting fish in a barrel, clubbing baby seals, and beating a person with all his limbs tied up and then go bragging to the world that they are "experienced fighters".
Gimme a break. The band of scumsheets and worthless scum trolls who walk out the moment when their team doesn't seem to have a winning chance despite their trollmade? They ain't PvPers.
They just amateuer brats.
"PvP guilds?" LOL. Bullsheet.
What they're doing is essentially mail-ordering high-tech hunting gear, state-of-the-art rifles and nightvision goggles and all that sheet, and then walking up to the local zoo and shooting at caged and pacified animals and then taking selfie shots and calling themselves hunters, because they're too scared sheet of the real jungle where the real monsters and behemoths live. My bet is the moment they've suffered their first crushing defeat against the real deal who live at Domination, they ran away straight into GG afterwards, and embedded themsevles there and never going back.
How else would you explain the long, almost non-existent queues for Domination, while the relatively more frequent GG queues, and these so-called "PvP guilds" always show their face in GG and not in Dom?
They're nothing but 2-bit wannabes. They've never been the real deal. [/queote]
All you say is correct , all in all this game is by sure not the game to show anyone how skilled and talented you are in PVP, and it seems that it will never be a PVP orientated game
Thats the reason why the percentage of less talentes players without skill but bad manners and top equip is that high in this game
They know they would suck in any other game in case of a fair fight, all time
but saidly in neverwinter its all about equip, so its the high geared nub that triumph over the skilled pug, i met too manny bad bahaving low talented top geared players in this game until now
@ mystery
<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> express is the worst case, something like a negative selection of player with no manners and no skill , proven so many times by pugging
Every player with a little bit of selfrespect would not join them, its a big selection of hopeless cases
I don't have the patience for reading this whole thread, but my suggestion to resolve the whole "roflstomp" issue is not related to the queue in any way. Instead, incentivize an equitable battle.
if you win by more than 50% of the progress bar, you get nothing (including XP). If you lose by more that same margin, you likewise get nothing. If you score MORE or LESS than 2x (maybe 3x?) the median score (not average score, mind you, but rather the median), you get NOTHING. XP and glory awards start at some predefined value at the median point, not the top end and are awarded based on points. Less XP, more glory on the higher side, more XP and less glory on the lower end - out to +/- 50% (maybe 65%) of median on either side.
If you roll the other team without effort you earn no glory for giving having no challenge and you earn no XP because you learned nothing. If you lose without giving a true effort you earn no glory because you did not give a good accounting of yourself in battle and no XP because again, you learn nothing by being a slacker.
PvP gear drops should be given to out as a % chance from 10% to 80% starting at the median and going BOTH WAYS. Someone trying to improve but failing needs gear (or the AD) too after all.
It's certainly possible to exploit a system like this, but no more (and probably less) so than the current system. If a team has quitters (I REALLY hate the term "leaver") and is being ruined because of that, the opponents are forced to recognized this and or lose out on the awards. AFK camping would be reduced because simply capping a could points and waiting out the rest of the match won't work since a bar 600 points will be outside the award range by the end of a match - you must participate or you get nothing.
What's more - winning or losing outside the "reward range" does not count on the Leaderboard. Only wins or losses (and kills, points, deaths, assists) that happen within the "range" have any effect on your standing. Easy victories will not benefit you in any way other than the little wood (emphasis on little) you get from being a bullying.
Finally, I propose removing the "leaver" penalty and instead make it such that if you leave during a match it counts as a loss automatically and your standing is affected accordingly - no other stats are added (kills, assists, deaths and points are not counted, only a loss). This way, leaving to prevent a lost will only result in another loss (and a drop in your standing) and no reward of any kind. This doesn't help the problem of disconnection, but at least this means if you DC you can queue up right away. Sadly, people use the "DC" excuse (even DCing on purpose) to quit matches, so it can't simply be OK to DC since it's more likely to be used as an exploit that way.
I don't have the patience for reading this whole thread, but my suggestion to resolve the whole "roflstomp" issue is not related to the queue in any way. Instead, incentivize an equitable battle.
Eh. I play PvE and have no interest in PvP because I know I will get queued against players with much higher ilvls and get "roflstomped". I'd assume a lot of players are gated out of PvP for similar reasons. Without a revamp of the queue and rewards most people will just not play PvP.
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
And if there would be more pvp zones we would get insults also for that ones.
For my guild mates: Keep the good work .
For all the people that is insulting us and want to resolve ingame drama in the forums: See you in strongholds.
Strongholds PvP, having a bigger guild will not make MEA more powerful... despite what you all may think. How many of you are in the alpha testing of Stronghold's PvP? Bigger rarely means better and quantity never means quality.
With all due respect crim... your attitude tells me many things about you. I will tell you this much... you waste a lot of energy giving <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> about what others think. If you were not hurt by any of the words written about your precious guild... you would walk away. But yet you and Misery are the ONLY 2 members of MEA that are defending your actions.
I can say one thing... I do appreciate the extra attention that you guys are starting to pay to my TR. Having gone up vs a premade of mostly Daybreak, last night, their choice to chase me around anytime they saw me... allowed my team to kick the tar out of them. I was much more powerful that the OP that was hiding out on the nodes. The more attention you pay to me... the more kills I get and the more I win. Yeah I die more... but that is okay... I am getting used to a new build.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
If the people is crying for us in all the pvp zones Im just saying that it will be the same in SH. I tough that you were smart enough to get it but you have not.
You think that you are very important but people that fought you last night even know you or get your name handle in a black list. WTF dog. As I said before they dont care for you. We have not spent any second to speak about you in the chat or in TS. That is how are you important to us. A big 0. And FYI mostly is not a premade.
About me... I will not stay quiet with all the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that is being throwed against MEA, and I dont care if It is 2 vs 1000, Ill defend my guild. Walking away its not my style, maybe is yours. Thanks for the tips, but no, they are not for me.
Do you like to throw <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> at people but you dont like being responded for that? IDK... seriously xD? Walk away ?
WALK AWAY???????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Monk style (maybe you can include this into your forum signature ):
I also uncovered a reason behind the actions of the Expresso beans... many of them can't PvP without the help of teammates. 1v1 or 2v1 situations... they run or they die fast.
I wonder why nobody is taking these simple questions:
When It was Delzoun versus Luskan (20 vs 20) most of the times the second group got roflstomped every X hours per day, all the days, for a long time.
All of the people that are "requesting changes" in this thread, and belonged to the Delzoun side (winning the 99%? of the matches), Where did you post about this????
Did you request any change to allow the Luskan side to win some matches and get into the Dwarf King dungeon?
If you belonged to Delzoun: Did you request any balance or you rushed Luskan members and sold the DK T2 gear at the AH? EVERY DAY.
Please, lets make some memory and review the facts just to clarify some of the topics that are being discussed and what kind of behavior is going on here.
It was ok to rush luskan players in unbalanced matches and sell the stuff in the AH, but hey, If Im getting stomped I go to the forums to cry. And If someone points to it I will not say anything about it, because maybe It represents something about me. Ill just throw more and more <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
We're doing premades to play with our friends/guildies. If you don't have friends/guildies to que up with, well, not my problem.
Better invenst your time into looking for a premade instead of QQ'ing in the forum. It won't help you at all, we keep going on.
Or... you could go and play with the other big kids in the 'big boy pool'... and leave the 'kiddie pool' for us. As the OP stated in the first post. Guilds choose to make premades and enter GG for reasons that you will not share.
If things were different in GG... I would play more... but I like the idea that the queue times are long as hell.
BTW 'fair and kind' is measured as something that does not have limits... destroying a pug to later allow for 'trading caps' and allowing for out of balance 1v1 fights... is like beating a child and then apologizing after the fact by buying them melted ice cream. Then expecting them to be thankful for your kindness.
Mark Twain once said that man is ultimately selfish. Everything he does is for some personal gratification.
If you think that your destroying a pug is forgivable because you were nice enough to trade caps... it seems that a few of you lack any Emotional Intelligence.
My peace has been said. You can all keep beating on your chest all you want. Eventually you all will have to go back to Dom because no one will run GG....
Bullies tend to get 2 things done to them... they get their asses kicked by one person that refused to take it anymore... or the entire school turns on them. They never believe that they are in the wrong... because they are only mirroring what they have learned at home.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
Or... you could go and play with the other big kids in the 'big boy pool'... and leave the 'kiddie pool' for us. As the OP stated in the first post. Guilds choose to make premades and enter GG for reasons that you will not share.
If things were different in GG... I would play more... but I like the idea that the queue times are long as hell.
BTW 'fair and kind' is measured as something that does not have limits... destroying a pug to later allow for 'trading caps' and allowing for out of balance 1v1 fights... is like beating a child and then apologizing after the fact by buying them melted ice cream. Then expecting them to be thankful for your kindness.
Mark Twain once said that man is ultimately selfish. Everything he does is for some personal gratification.
If you think that your destroying a pug is forgivable because you were nice enough to trade caps... it seems that a few of you lack any Emotional Intelligence.
My peace has been said. You can all keep beating on your chest all you want. Eventually you all will have to go back to Dom because no one will run GG....
Bullies tend to get 2 things done to them... they get their asses kicked by one person that refused to take it anymore... or the entire school turns on them. They never believe that they are in the wrong... because they are only mirroring what they have learned at home.
All we know that you join in PVP seeking peace and harmony, and not for killing another players whatever they feel.
And also we know that you never killed any player in the game with worst gear and/or experience than you.
An initiate buddhist monk that plays a TR in PVP inside a MMORPG, seeking the best gear, game money/ad, talking about another individuals in a harmful way, not being truthful all the time, seeking to win in PVP and crying because he is losing, and also crying because of the pugs he got in his team (low gear).
Please, go to meditate.
And please, I beg, stop talking like if you were the new revelation/spiritual guide of the human being.
All we know that you join in PVP seeking peace and harmony, and not for killing another players whatever they feel.
And also we know that you never killed any player in the game with worst gear and/or experience than you.
An initiate buddhist monk that plays a TR in PVP inside a MMORPG, seeking the best gear, game money/ad, talking about another individuals in a harmful way and not being truthful all the time.
I have never said that, basically because I dont care if you win or you lose, so Im not giving any advice on how to win matches, thats your problem. And I encourage you to find any post where I said that advice. If you dont you will probe that your post is full of "creative" marketing.
To repeat false sentences ("of course you do") to make truth of them its a way that one man claimed and promoted as possible. I will not mention that man here but he was not very cool.
You are totally out of my point.
Diplomacy ended when the people started to talk bad about another guilds inside the forum with lies and false assumptions. I taked it one day, two, three... but I have my own limits. If you slap me in the face day by day and post by post I will not stand quiet just reading it.
And if you have not read about it or you have forgotten it, Ill post this to clarify what kind of diplomacy wanted the people before I posted anything about this topic:
"because I rarely see them in Dom." FALSE
"they seem to think that they are kings of PvP" FALSE
"they like trolling the easy wins" FALSE
"many of them can't PvP without the help of teammates" FALSE
"they will act like gods when they kill you 3v1, 4v1 or 5v1" FALSE
"1v1 or 2v1 situations... they run or they die fast" WTF
You cant request any diplomacy with those sentences in the discussion and also promoting the name & shame politic.
I agree that publicly naming and shaming is a better practice than the old "don't ask, don't tell..." BS
It was possible to talk about this topic in a peacefully and constructive way, but It was not my choice to do it with another politic.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
Crimpatul seriously. do you ever read your posts and think about? so many sentences where you try to explain, but almost off topic. we discuss here about neverwinter pvp history? and guess what, i played luskan. Are you a teacher in real life? or your parents are teachers? or do you write books? i am really sick of your posts
Take what you want from my posts, you seem to obviate most of their content very well, with that kind of magic I dont understand your sickness.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
edited August 2015
yea, i wont read whole topic again obviously
if you think your guild deserve to be defended, you can try. And the end, fighting on forum is more interesting than ingame from time to time. But seriously, this thread is made by unhappy players about pvp working better. if you think you can came here and write letters about how pvp is ok, its like other games etc etc, dont expect understanding or positive reactions. dont expect that after you explain the whole thing, unhappy players become happy. you are not that good
And again, I say that you can talk about GG, dom, bis players or whatever, Ive said it a lot of times in this thread.
I never said that pvp is ok. More lies.
Maybe you need to read it again, at least to not mess with my words.
Ok, dont do it, I will quote one of my posts for you.
Lets hope that next mod will increase the server population to allow more balance and also to implement different Qs or maps or whatever.
Atm there is not enough people.
EDIT: I leaved GG, no matter what Ive said before, but that will not change anything.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
edited August 2015
so i constantly messing your words? so what is the point of your posting here then? i am master crimpatul, i am the only one who has truth, who has right view of things, the most clever of all human beings. let me explain it to you, poor pugs, who missed your famous delzoun times
Of you think you can came here and write letters about how pvp is ok
I dont know why I am pretending to have a logical discussion with you after this, because it reveals your intention:
crimpatul you can freely making premades, we wont hesitate. its certain thats the only joy in your life
i am master crimpatul, i am the only one who has truth, who has right view of things, the most clever of all human beings
If you cant get my point I will not invest time trying to explain it to you. Just read and take your time .
Free tip. Dont play poker.
crimpatul seriously. i probably never see you posting on the forum, so you are new for me. but with all of your wall of texts you are acting like . "i am finally here, you all are just saved" if you dont see how pathetic you are, its bad...
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
The amount of whining in this thread, especially the attacking of one specific PvP guild, is rather pathetic.
First of all, let's hit the reset button and remember where the blame truly lies. Attacking PvP guilds for playing PvP matches, is about as asanine as it gets. It's not their fault the system is faulty.
Secondly, there are asshats in any guild that numbers over 20 members, sometimes less than that. It only takes one.
Finally, I'm not minding them rolling in large numbers. It's making me a better player. I make a game out of it. If it's a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> match I'll try and isolate a player from their pack and take them out. Sometimes I win sometimes not, but it's always a learning experience.
I'm sure Cryptic loves threads like this. It takes the focus off of their lack of action on the subject.
you obviously dont read carefully. we all know that bad system is the primary problem and it was written countless times in many threads. but we know that cryptic will barely change that in foreseeable future.
if you let me, all i sometimes ask for is stop doing premades now, to let pvp population healthy in numbers. its wrong that you dont care about it.
all i ever ask that pvp guilds authorities will step up and communicate a bit. i am not alone who fears that because of strongholds glory demand, these guilds will be doing premades all the time (a lot more than now) and it will be final blow to pvp. but silence over silence
Comments
Just in this thread:
And if there would be more pvp zones we would get insults also for that ones.
For my guild mates: Keep the good work
For all the people that is insulting us and want to resolve ingame drama in the forums: See you in strongholds.
if you win by more than 50% of the progress bar, you get nothing (including XP). If you lose by more that same margin, you likewise get nothing. If you score MORE or LESS than 2x (maybe 3x?) the median score (not average score, mind you, but rather the median), you get NOTHING. XP and glory awards start at some predefined value at the median point, not the top end and are awarded based on points. Less XP, more glory on the higher side, more XP and less glory on the lower end - out to +/- 50% (maybe 65%) of median on either side.
If you roll the other team without effort you earn no glory for giving having no challenge and you earn no XP because you learned nothing. If you lose without giving a true effort you earn no glory because you did not give a good accounting of yourself in battle and no XP because again, you learn nothing by being a slacker.
PvP gear drops should be given to out as a % chance from 10% to 80% starting at the median and going BOTH WAYS. Someone trying to improve but failing needs gear (or the AD) too after all.
It's certainly possible to exploit a system like this, but no more (and probably less) so than the current system. If a team has quitters (I REALLY hate the term "leaver") and is being ruined because of that, the opponents are forced to recognized this and or lose out on the awards. AFK camping would be reduced because simply capping a could points and waiting out the rest of the match won't work since a bar 600 points will be outside the award range by the end of a match - you must participate or you get nothing.
What's more - winning or losing outside the "reward range" does not count on the Leaderboard. Only wins or losses (and kills, points, deaths, assists) that happen within the "range" have any effect on your standing. Easy victories will not benefit you in any way other than the little wood (emphasis on little) you get from being a bullying.
Finally, I propose removing the "leaver" penalty and instead make it such that if you leave during a match it counts as a loss automatically and your standing is affected accordingly - no other stats are added (kills, assists, deaths and points are not counted, only a loss). This way, leaving to prevent a lost will only result in another loss (and a drop in your standing) and no reward of any kind. This doesn't help the problem of disconnection, but at least this means if you DC you can queue up right away. Sadly, people use the "DC" excuse (even DCing on purpose) to quit matches, so it can't simply be OK to DC since it's more likely to be used as an exploit that way.
Sekhmet@kvetchus_
Guilds: Greycloaks, Blackcloaks, Whitecloaks, Goldcloaks, Browncloaks, Spiritcloaks, Bluecloaks, Silvercloaks, Black Dawn
Tredecim: The Cloak Alliance
That goes along with my belief that people who work harder for the team should get a higher reward than X amount of glory due to a lost match.
Though implementation of such a system would require a complete overhaul of the current system.
Eh. I play PvE and have no interest in PvP because I know I will get queued against players with much higher ilvls and get "roflstomped". I'd assume a lot of players are gated out of PvP for similar reasons. Without a revamp of the queue and rewards most people will just not play PvP.
Strongholds PvP, having a bigger guild will not make MEA more powerful... despite what you all may think. How many of you are in the alpha testing of Stronghold's PvP? Bigger rarely means better and quantity never means quality.
With all due respect crim... your attitude tells me many things about you. I will tell you this much... you waste a lot of energy giving <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> about what others think. If you were not hurt by any of the words written about your precious guild... you would walk away. But yet you and Misery are the ONLY 2 members of MEA that are defending your actions.
I can say one thing... I do appreciate the extra attention that you guys are starting to pay to my TR. Having gone up vs a premade of mostly Daybreak, last night, their choice to chase me around anytime they saw me... allowed my team to kick the tar out of them. I was much more powerful that the OP that was hiding out on the nodes. The more attention you pay to me... the more kills I get and the more I win. Yeah I die more... but that is okay... I am getting used to a new build.
If the people is crying for us in all the pvp zones Im just saying that it will be the same in SH. I tough that you were smart enough to get it but you have not.
You think that you are very important but people that fought you last night even know you or get your name handle in a black list. WTF dog. As I said before they dont care for you. We have not spent any second to speak about you in the chat or in TS. That is how are you important to us. A big 0. And FYI mostly is not a premade.
About me... I will not stay quiet with all the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that is being throwed against MEA, and I dont care if It is 2 vs 1000, Ill defend my guild. Walking away its not my style, maybe is yours. Thanks for the tips, but no, they are not for me.
Do you like to throw <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> at people but you dont like being responded for that? IDK... seriously xD? Walk away
WALK AWAY???????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Monk style (maybe you can include this into your forum signature
+ Walk away tips
When It was Delzoun versus Luskan (20 vs 20) most of the times the second group got roflstomped every X hours per day, all the days, for a long time.
Please, lets make some memory and review the facts just to clarify some of the topics that are being discussed and what kind of behavior is going on here.
It was ok to rush luskan players in unbalanced matches and sell the stuff in the AH, but hey, If Im getting stomped I go to the forums to cry. And If someone points to it I will not say anything about it, because maybe It represents something about me. Ill just throw more and more <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
Or... you could go and play with the other big kids in the 'big boy pool'... and leave the 'kiddie pool' for us. As the OP stated in the first post. Guilds choose to make premades and enter GG for reasons that you will not share.
If things were different in GG... I would play more... but I like the idea that the queue times are long as hell.
BTW 'fair and kind' is measured as something that does not have limits... destroying a pug to later allow for 'trading caps' and allowing for out of balance 1v1 fights... is like beating a child and then apologizing after the fact by buying them melted ice cream. Then expecting them to be thankful for your kindness.
Mark Twain once said that man is ultimately selfish. Everything he does is for some personal gratification.
If you think that your destroying a pug is forgivable because you were nice enough to trade caps... it seems that a few of you lack any Emotional Intelligence.
My peace has been said. You can all keep beating on your chest all you want. Eventually you all will have to go back to Dom because no one will run GG....
Bullies tend to get 2 things done to them... they get their asses kicked by one person that refused to take it anymore... or the entire school turns on them. They never believe that they are in the wrong... because they are only mirroring what they have learned at home.
All we know that you join in PVP seeking peace and harmony, and not for killing another players whatever they feel.
And also we know that you never killed any player in the game with worst gear and/or experience than you.
An initiate buddhist monk that plays a TR in PVP inside a MMORPG, seeking the best gear, game money/ad, talking about another individuals in a harmful way, not being truthful all the time, seeking to win in PVP and crying because he is losing, and also crying because of the pugs he got in his team (low gear).
Please, go to meditate.
And please, I beg, stop talking like if you were the new revelation/spiritual guide of the human being.
argumentum ad hominem.
try again with actual logic.
Sekhmet@kvetchus_
Guilds: Greycloaks, Blackcloaks, Whitecloaks, Goldcloaks, Browncloaks, Spiritcloaks, Bluecloaks, Silvercloaks, Black Dawn
Tredecim: The Cloak Alliance
Just the truth about an hypocrite.
In his mind we are the bad guys and he is like the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> ethics/morale master. And he talks about selfish behaviors...
To repeat false sentences ("of course you do") to make truth of them its a way that one man claimed and promoted as possible. I will not mention that man here but he was not very cool.
You are totally out of my point.
Diplomacy ended when the people started to talk bad about another guilds inside the forum with lies and false assumptions. I taked it one day, two, three... but I have my own limits. If you slap me in the face day by day and post by post I will not stand quiet just reading it.
And if you have not read about it or you have forgotten it, Ill post this to clarify what kind of diplomacy wanted the people before I posted anything about this topic:
"because I rarely see them in Dom." FALSE
"they seem to think that they are kings of PvP" FALSE
"they like trolling the easy wins" FALSE
"many of them can't PvP without the help of teammates" FALSE
"they will act like gods when they kill you 3v1, 4v1 or 5v1" FALSE
"1v1 or 2v1 situations... they run or they die fast" WTF
You cant request any diplomacy with those sentences in the discussion and also promoting the name & shame politic.
It was possible to talk about this topic in a peacefully and constructive way, but It was not my choice to do it with another politic.
Take what you want from my posts, you seem to obviate most of their content very well, with that kind of magic I dont understand your sickness.
if you think your guild deserve to be defended, you can try. And the end, fighting on forum is more interesting than ingame from time to time. But seriously, this thread is made by unhappy players about pvp working better. if you think you can came here and write letters about how pvp is ok, its like other games etc etc, dont expect understanding or positive reactions. dont expect that after you explain the whole thing, unhappy players become happy. you are not that good
I never said that pvp is ok. More lies.
Maybe you need to read it again, at least to not mess with my words.
Ok, dont do it, I will quote one of my posts for you.
Word mess/lie number 2.
I dont know why I am pretending to have a logical discussion with you after this, because it reveals your intention:
If you cant get my point I will not invest time trying to explain it to you. Just read and take your time
Free tip. Dont play poker.
crimpatul seriously. i probably never see you posting on the forum, so you are new for me. but with all of your wall of texts you are acting like . "i am finally here, you all are just saved" if you dont see how pathetic you are, its bad...
you obviously dont read carefully. we all know that bad system is the primary problem and it was written countless times in many threads. but we know that cryptic will barely change that in foreseeable future.
if you let me, all i sometimes ask for is stop doing premades now, to let pvp population healthy in numbers. its wrong that you dont care about it.
all i ever ask that pvp guilds authorities will step up and communicate a bit. i am not alone who fears that because of strongholds glory demand, these guilds will be doing premades all the time (a lot more than now) and it will be final blow to pvp. but silence over silence
Lol
at least we have no more pictures or smileys. keep up good work)
What a surprise for me. I didnt expect that!
Very original and genuine idea the "work" thing. You are giving your best.