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Could premades leave us at least GG PVP?
matthiasthehun76
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,184 Arc User
Hi fellow players and premade PVP guilds!
I am an avid PVP player, but i always play PUG. Once a guy from a big PVP guild asked me, why i have such negative feelings towards PVP guilds.
Well we all know, many like to slaughter newbies and way undergeared people, that's only one fact.
My point in this thread is, please big PVP guilds, could you at least leave us average geared and not premade players GG PVP. You have your playground, which is DOM. By now everybody knows, wo enters DOM, that he or she either neeeds to be a premade or get used to be steamrolled.
For us average Joes GG PVP was kinda a refugee camp, now more and more it's ruled by YOU, premades. Like right now, my matches all Coffee Emporium teamed up with another 1 or 2 big PVP guilds. Zero chance for most yof your enemies and you know it too. Is it such a huge valor to kill undergeared people?!
If you really would show us, fellow players, that your words stating, you don't like to steamroll, than go back to DOM and leave us alonein GG PVP.
Sure it would be nice, if the Devs would officially handle this, more so that Strongholds PVP approaches, but since they neglect us since 2 years, at least have some spine and stop the roflstomping of PUGs for easy glory and seals.
Thank you!
P.S: If Strongholds PVP goes like this, then another Epic Fail is due to come...
I am an avid PVP player, but i always play PUG. Once a guy from a big PVP guild asked me, why i have such negative feelings towards PVP guilds.
Well we all know, many like to slaughter newbies and way undergeared people, that's only one fact.
My point in this thread is, please big PVP guilds, could you at least leave us average geared and not premade players GG PVP. You have your playground, which is DOM. By now everybody knows, wo enters DOM, that he or she either neeeds to be a premade or get used to be steamrolled.
For us average Joes GG PVP was kinda a refugee camp, now more and more it's ruled by YOU, premades. Like right now, my matches all Coffee Emporium teamed up with another 1 or 2 big PVP guilds. Zero chance for most yof your enemies and you know it too. Is it such a huge valor to kill undergeared people?!
If you really would show us, fellow players, that your words stating, you don't like to steamroll, than go back to DOM and leave us alonein GG PVP.
Sure it would be nice, if the Devs would officially handle this, more so that Strongholds PVP approaches, but since they neglect us since 2 years, at least have some spine and stop the roflstomping of PUGs for easy glory and seals.
Thank you!
P.S: If Strongholds PVP goes like this, then another Epic Fail is due to come...
The real honest man is honest from conviction of what is right, not from policy.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
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No it wasn't... at least not since M6 came out. They all hated it until they realized that they could manipulate the queuing system to their advantage.
I have had EXACTLY the same experience that matthias has had in the 5 GG matches I chose to run. It was one of the ONLY things I enjoyed doing in this busted Mod. I take a month to focus on the NCL and I return to a broken Dom AND a broken GG. This one action has pretty much ruined the game for me.
If this was my game, GG would be for Pugs ONLY... and the PvP guilds could kill themselves in Dom.
I think one of the drawbacks to the NCL it gave more lower level PvP members some gear and now GG is the training grounds.
If Cryptic doesn't come up with a plan to keep us entertained, which means real PVP-, not just this fake and very much exploitable PVP- for the future, well i dunno...
Oh, yes and pls don't come me with Strongholds being a full game day entertainment, cause it has no dungeons whatsoever and if the pvp system stays the same, all the shiny stuff won't help either, cause it's the core, where the problems lie.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Sure mate, i was just trying to bring up the question, maybe we, the community could kinda do the job the Devs didn't do, namely seperate us, so fun for everyone.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Agree 100%, but this should be, emphasis on "should be" better, than real life.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
You consider yourself strong because you paid to get your gear BiS? That is like saying that a CEO of a company is a powerful man. In his element he is, but put him in prison and he is someone's <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Strength like weakness is an illusion...
IRL... most people that play this game would be intimidated as hell by my appearance and stature. Does that mean I am strong?
In all actuality... the perceived weak man may actually be the stronger... because he endures more pain. Strength, to me, is the ability to endure pain and continually pick yourself up off the ground. Anyone can kill, but not everyone can take a beating.
Yes... people in PvP guilds can do what they want. Here is the rub... if they do it too much there will be NO PUGS to kick around and they will be waiting in a queue for 6 hours to get one match.
You know Agent Smith said it best... the species closest to humans is a virus. Every other species will live in harmony with their surroundings. Where as humans and viruses will devour everything in sight and move on completely ignoring symbiosis. A truly intelligent species creates a synergy and symbiosis within it's milieu.
I think you guys are getting mad for the wrong reason. The people killing you in PVP probably didn't spend a bunch of money on the game, they just spent way more time and effort for a longer period of time on the game than you did. If you want to play this game 16 hours a day for a couple of years you too can farm enough AD to manipulate auction house prices and become a neverwinter CEO.
@benskix2 dude... read my sig and use the appropriate font and color for that post. LMAO... I almost missed the humor
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
But the truth is, it's people like you that judges a book by its cover, and just think anyone better than you have cheated their way up there.
How do you know the CEO of a company hasn't had a hard life, worked from nothing, but is basically smarter than the rest.
Same thing goes in this game, some has paid to be BiS, while many have worked their way up. But to people with average gear that keeps losing, they always like to think people that are BiS will be less skillful and only relies on their gear to win, and if everyone had equal gear then the average pugs will better players. Well no, those people that have spent the time working their gear up, will work on better builds and rotations for PvP, they will research and test on what's optimal etc.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
Why blame Devs? when players ask to separate solo q from premade q other players come and complain they wont be able to "play" (read faceroll) with friends, because long queue times. Devs would've made such change long time ago if it wasnt for all those qqers.
Not true at all, Devs would NOT have made such change regardless of how many people saying what. The Devs are probably listening to our feedbacks once a while, but can only be bothered changing and fixing things when they have time and what they're capable of.
I'm sure you've been around long enough to know all the broken things that are still not fixed, and they just break more things whenever they fix something. (Eg, tene, elven battle)
Getting them to implement 2 different queues? I don't think they even know how to write the conditions for these 2 queues. What happens if 2 people queue up together?
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
Mor, some premade trolls are entirely formed for literally that purpose -- to troll and grief. In many cases it is blatantly obvious and painfully evident.
Like for example, yesterday, for about a span of 2~3 hours straight, a certain self-described "PvP guild" members kept queueing as premades in GG in the lv60~69 bracket of GG. Their composition was at least 3 Palys, all stocked and armed to the teeth with BiS enchants, with the only "low-level" equipment being the armorsets hard-limited by level. At average their IL was over 2.5k -- which is in many cases higher than some casual pug players in Lv70 PvP bracket.
Palys are despised and disgusting and nigh impossible to dispatch of even within BiS PvP conditions. Imagine 3 of them, accounting 30% of the team composition in GG PvP at low-level PvP brackets. You can imagine just how sheety and frustrating it was for every single batch of 10 players that were put on the opponent's side for that 3 hours. Did they do that for "FUN"? At the expense of that "FUN" for 3~5 players, more than dozens of players suffered a long, long, hopeless and plain dumb and sheety PvP gameplay for hours.
Something like this, I believe both the devs, AND the pathetic scum who does those things, deserves bashing. They are NOT queueing like this to have fun fighting with other people. They either do that for their dirty, pathetic "rank bloating" which starts at even lower levels, where they farm hordes of people and get all their PvP campaign boons by they reach lv70, or just to plain hurt people.
It's a pity as to jusy why the moderators don't allow specific naming of disgusting and shameful individuals, because the louts and thugs they are, they're about as worthy as lunch-money robbing elementary school bullies. These sick pieces of krap should be named, shamed, and full acknowledged throughout the community as what they are.
Having the right to do something does not necessarily make exercising that right right. In this matter its a question of ethics rather than the law, and for that reason some of those sick bastids should be blamed upon.
They dub themselves as a PvP guild, but they're not. No one who really enjoys the fight, the combat aspect of PvP would do such a thing which literally brings EXTINCTION of the "combat" element in total.
They don't enjoy the fighting. They just enjoy stepping over others for easy wins, and this is not "PvP", and they're not a "PvP guild"
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
its not sport its farming
playing in one league with maxed chars who are able to manipulate everything , queuing in 2/3/5 man premade, or just take of two rings and queue lowering their GS
you need years to get a foot into PVP bc the gear you need is unreachable for average player, thats brainless
only way to solve this is : get rid of this crazy gear, broken boons and feats in PVP or
separate the queues, one exclusivly solo, one premade as lots of player proposed until now
I am pretty sure doing so , the mates who queue premade can show their skill, in case having some
but the build I have from the situation is clear and proved 10 times a day queuing and meeting premades as soloqueuer: they do not like playing every match for> 45min, they do more like the easy way slaughtering pugs as you can see every day doing domination or GG, so cheap
It gives a good impression of the low style in this PVP communitiy, there is not the smallest impression of any kind of honour, its exploiting as hard as I can and searching for personal advantage, this game is ruined and only can be rescued by a clear cut
a big pi.le of sh.it attracks lots of blowflies
and the biggets flies of them team up in premades, thats whats left from PVP
wondering why PVP guilds have up to no reputation? its pretty easy to answer, they only get what they deserve for cheating the heck out of the game day by day
they even could face other premade if they wanted to do, just hop in teamspeak two of each team, queue and the moment it pops up just communicate it in the chat, but they prefer facing pugs that way teaming up with other premade making your pug team facing a mix from absolute/midnightexpress and so on, the pile of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is jummy isn´t it
I couldn´t explain the situation much better than he did already, but its honest at least and i apreciate honest ppl, despite beeing a sad individuum
Did I say they cheated their way up? The vast majority of BiS players have been playing this game for years. Payment can be seen as time and effort... not just money. All of that is hard to combat when you have been playing the game for months... I know that.
My comment did not say anything about the life of the CEO... it talked about the illusion of power that he has. A CEO by nature... will be chewed up and spit out like yesterday's gum... if they had to live like most of their employees. That is not even counting what would happen in prison.
It was an analogy used to illuminate the illusion of strength... nothing more.
The reptile, in man, has the power... not the mammal. For the reptile controls the strength of the mammal. If you need an explanation...
BTW... before you judge a book... read all of it. When I write something... I choose certain words for a reason.
Best!!!....
this is what i called.... a Superb and an amazing sentence of the day...niceee
Thank you...
i think..im scared to pvp when im 70...(currently my char still 65)..hahaha
luckily i got 4 elem chest from NCL..xfingers..not get doubled hahha...
anyway....yes im agreed,...pvp need to fixed...matchmaking...solovs solo,..group(premade) 5 person vs premade...
even if im fully geared /BiS ..cant stand against premade...
well.....we need help lol...please dev,...
If we got a chance it will be now, cause Strongholds is mainly about PVP and without real PVE endgame content out there, we have a chance, that they might focus a bit on PVP.
I have to agree with you guys, @shietindebux that only a clear cut would resolve things, a small step here a small step there won't do any good now.
Wonderfull words, true wisdom my doctor!
@Kweassa you made a good point there, namely, that if the regulations would allow, it would be the only real solution to name those PUG slayers and other way cheaters by name. Devs and CMs should show us signs, that they are hammering down some of those, who exploit leader board, ruin pre lvl 70 baby PVPers fun and do other grey zone things.
As a history lover i can only say, that thousands of years and even anglo-saxon law proved it right to this day, that only shame will keep such nasty persons from repeating the dirty things. I bet, if one of those abusers names would hang a week in news, it would withold many to follow their example and if the community was more tighter and honest with each other, we could kinda seperate those persons from our ranks aka not form a party with them.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
1. not geared as well as the competition 2out of 5 matches.
2. The other team played a better game than my team did 1 out of 5 matches
3. I drew a PUG of newbies 2 out of 5 matches.
I queue GG and Dom and take what ever comes ist I love PVP and am very competitive but I don't blame the BIS for my losses but that I just need to get better which I am doing every day Now days they cant just roll over me and some times I can Beat them as well. My goal is get better gear ands skills and beat them every time. So take out the BIS and I would get bored to death with out the BIS challenge
jhp
I do get pretty heated when being rolled over but that's me and MY I will not lose this match Approach to life
I wonder if they do it because it is easy... and they don't want a challenge. Because clearly you will never be facing 2 5-man premades when you enter as 2 5-man premades. I am glad that you want to exploit content that allows you to faceroll all over it like you did in M3, 4 & 5... but as I said before... eventually you will be fighting air.
No one wants to play the team of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, by choice. So if we all know that we will be facing a team of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>... guess what... we wont enter. Then you can play with yourselves... lol.
The people who run BiS premades just to farm pugs have ruined pvp in the game for everyone else.
I believe that is the idea... domination. Fueled by arrogance, entitlement and the dissatisfaction of their IRLife There are some VERY honorable and generous people in PvP guilds... but they cannot control everyone.
and they even started conversation about pugs, terrible