The control wizard is close to be balanced (In PVP, since it will always reign in PVE, absolutely no class will ever dethrone the CW in PVE)
The major problem with CW's, just like TR's, is that a single paragon feature is making the whole class broken, as well as putting the other paragon path to shame (Master of Flame for CW, WhisperKnife for TR).
Fixing Storm Spell is pretty simple, it doesn't even need to be reverted back to module 3 to be balanced. How? It's simple, make it only proc on encounter powers.
Let's be real here, the main source of Storm Spell is the at-will Ray of Frost. If Storm Spell procced only off encounters, it would still be a nice source of damage, but not your MAIN source of damage.
To compensate for that change, simply buff their base encounter damage by a decent amount.
As for Shield... they actually need it. Because a CW without shield is worse than a Warlock in terms of fragility.
A good change for shield would be to make it explode when heavily damaged. That way, it cannot be a "Cast and forget" type of power that constantly provides protection. To compensate for that, once the Shield explodes after taking heavy damage, its cooldown is reduced by half (Half the amount of the cooldown if you pop it using Shield Pulse).
the problem is not the CW, its the non-existant matchmaking in NW.....I could almost garuntee that these "Nerf this, nerf that" posts would diminish greatly if matchmaking were in place due to equalling out gear scores in pvp. The lack of gear balancing in a heavily gear based game is what most people are actually whining about and they dont even know it
I dissagree, because when i saw a TR on enemy team, i tend to swap "Repel" for "Entantgling". I know that it does not hold the TR that long (not even 1 sec at all IF entant gets deflected or TR uses ITC [which is good]), but it should help you to deplete his/her Stealth bar. Also, if you want to contest nodes, instead of Steal Time, i would use Icy Terrain instead: less range/AoE, less damage, bit better CD and, for last but not least, it is an staying power. (EDIT: this is meant to be "while stealth reveal still were with us/working", not after this last patch. I did not play my alts on PvP besides my HR since then.)
Anyway, If you didnt notice on your own video, you casted Steal Time (and even Icy Knife) a bunch of times while GrillZ were on ITC, rolling away from you or even while he was not on node (couldn't you notice that your node's flag were totally blue?? :S ) OR, while you were casting it, he just dazed you. In fact, you just landed it around 5 times at all, do you think that it is really THAT worth? vs PuGs?? sure. Vs players like me, maybe (on my defense, i must say that i tend to facetank the damage with all classes like i do with my GWF. XDDD). Vs PvP players? pray to God Server to bring lag into your target.
Are you playing stupid or you are just stupid?
Disagree on what? Single target CW's ability? There is no damage and no control from single target damage CW skills.
Look up here, there is your "entalging" vs half geared TR : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHfuOQMsNU&spfreload=10
All CW damage becomes from building chill stack, and you can't build it vs TR becouse you cant see him.
Next, you told me, i atacked him when he was using ITC. is that something new for you? When TR come out from stealth he is always using ITC and later again stealth, so when should i atack him? Now even 2 second stealth reveal is gone, so what CW should do mr. I know all about CW.
besides, most of you told about CW "tankiest" and this is main topic here. Tell me, how long i was abble to survive with 97k hp, tabbed shield, r12. negation and 2600 tenacity vs TR? i can tell you -> 17 seconds, So please, change the object of your all whining.
Are you playing stupid or you are just stupid?
Disagree on what? Single target CW's ability? There is no damage and no control from single target damage CW skills.
Look up here, there is your "entalging" vs half geared TR : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHfuOQMsNU&spfreload=10
All CW damage becomes from building chill stack, and you can't build it vs TR becouse you cant see him.
Next, you told me, i atacked him when he was using ITC. is that something new for you? When TR come out from stealth he is always using ITC and later again stealth, so when should i atack him? Now even 2 second stealth reveal is gone, so what CW should do mr. I know all about CW.
besides, most of you told about CW "tankiest" and this is main topic here. Tell me, how long i was abble to survive with 97k hp, tabbed shield, r12. negation and 2600 tenacity vs TR? i can tell you -> 17 seconds, So please, change the object of your all whining.
Maybe speak to some other CWs. Because i've seen that TR vs Allt in IWD, and allt clears him most of the time. Maybe there is something wrong with your build
Maybe speak to some other CWs. Because i've seen that TR vs Allt in IWD, and allt clears him most of the time. Maybe there is something wrong with your build
AllT is bug user, he is fighting with spell twisting so don't compare.
drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
edited April 2015
I can tell when I am fighting a CW that does not have PvP gear. I can tell that there is an issue when a "cloth-wearer" is harder to kill than a GF with 100k hp.
As a TR with high arpen, crit and power, for my ilvl. I have found that I can go toe to toe with equally geared gf and gwf... but I get destroyed by 70k disintegrates and **** choke burns.
Considering that I believe most devs play casters, it is not hard to believe that this was not an accident.
Just my two-cents.
I was told that a CW hit for 7,000,000 damage in eLoL. A guildie was present during the event. The highest damage hit that I heard about, before m6, was done by a now nerfed SW... @ 4.7 million. The players that play them will admit they are OP in private... but they will never stand for a nerfing. My suggestion, is this then, boost everyone else to their level... and we'll all be good.
I was recently asked to build a CW to help the guild... I dont like to play casters. I am considering this, as I was told that it is the easiest class to play. I was told that by 2 CWs...
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
I have the mod 6 gear that gives me 90k hp. I don't even use shield, cause most people are so undergeared that it doesn't matter. Please come back when you have done your homework and we can talk.
I can tell when I am fighting a CW that does not have PvP gear. I can tell that there is an issue when a "cloth-wearer" is harder to kill than a GF with 100k hp.
As a TR with high arpen, crit and power, for my ilvl. I have found that I can go toe to toe with equally geared gf and gwf... but I get destroyed by 70k disintegrates and **** choke burns.
Considering that I believe most devs play casters, it is not hard to believe that this was not an accident.
Just my two-cents.
I was told that a CW hit for 7,000,000 damage in eLoL. A guildie was present during the event. The highest damage hit that I heard about, before m6, was done by a now nerfed SW... @ 4.7 million. The players that play them will admit they are OP in private... but they will never stand for a nerfing. My suggestion, is this then, boost everyone else to their level... and we'll all be good.
I was recently asked to build a CW to help the guild... I dont like to play casters. I am considering this, as I was told that it is the easiest class to play. I was told that by 2 CWs...
Yeah, I was told to by two of my TR friends that CW was the easiest class to play , after face, keyboard rolling trickster Rogue players. I don't know rather to laugh at your post , due to you joking and "lying about damage" or just to look at this as a trolling post.
I don't know how many times people have to suggest to individuals who are not even booned or geared yet, if you go up against a CW or any other class in **** gear, your going to get owned in PvP, in this game. This game is a 70-30% gear to skill based game.
This is no big secret, evenly geared player with one having a higher weapon enchant will win most of the time over the person with the weaker enchant. A equally geared player with one having all boons will almost "all the time dominate the **** out of the non booned player.
Face those facts!
Also, the only way a CW is doing 4-7 million damage to boss mobs is through bugged boons and enchants, not through design of the classes' debuffs and damaging abilities.
I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.
I have the mod 6 gear that gives me 90k hp. I don't even use shield, cause most people are so undergeared that it doesn't matter. Please come back when you have done your homework and we can talk.
My goal here is complete I gave my opinion and get some CW to discuss among themselves. I just want people to realize what things makes sense if you dont accept it then goodluck something is wrong with these people psychologically. I dont talk about gear try reading previous comments you will get your answer there I hate to repeat what I already mentioned.
Excuse me, but i need to ask: STEAL TIME???? really??????
Yes, steal time, it has to be used to fight perma stealthed Rogues now. What you see in that video is usually the norm, that Rogues probably was geared and booned to the teeth along with high *** enchants.
Again, what it boils down to is the developers going back to the drawing board on PvP period. TR are in a "BETTER" place than any clas in this game as far as PvP goes, and while CW can seem super over powered against undergeared/booned people it takes a lot more work to play them in my book.
My TR in BI gear still owns people and while I do have to be aware of my surroundings when playing my TR, not being biased here, this class is made to be good at PvP, followed by CW. No class in this game, and I repeat, none are more efficient at killing in PvP than the TR class.
I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.
-Kymos
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
In ideal world, you would have to pick one as any class.
In neverwinter, there are classes who have all 3(like CWs and now GFs, even DPS DCs to a point if they have a clue) and are classes who have just a single option they need to dedicate themselves to.
That is a balance problem, controlling powers shouldn't deal as much damage as pure offensive powers and single defensive power shouldn't make up for defensive gear.
like icy rays-entagling-repel-chil strike deal high damage:)show me a control which deal more damage than a pure offensive encounter.
1 - I did not bother in use it due, basically, i would get "stun" as soon as i tryed to cast it. A better option is, usually, an instant-cast-encounter.
2 - Well, i am PvP geared [burning set and farming black ice to make them "empowered"...BTW, no one answered me back IF this "empowered" set is worth both efford and "money" or not) and booned (i only missed the 2 extras boons from ToD/Tiamat [too lazy to farm 30 linu's favors) yet i still say the same thing: CW-class is broken due some "really good sinergyes" between "encounters themselves" (Eye + Storm) or "encounter + enchants" (dont DoT a CW wearing P.Negation + Shield) . Not all other classes has "both worlds (Offense and defense)" OR, if it has it, in this case, GWF-class to certain extend); it usually must sacrifice one to buff the other one.
3 - I do the same with my HR while he weared "Royal Guard" set and, now, wearing 2 Aliance blue gear pieces, while farming Glory to get the Burning "set". But that is not the point here.
TR class is still broken, even if some players, lile Morenthar, keeps liying about it?? Yes, it is. That does not mean that "due TR class is broken, other classes are not broken at all!!!" and, on this case, is that kind of situation what we have here, not just on this post, but around almost the whole forum. But i say the same about HR class and, to certaing extend, DC and GF classes. On this sense, the main problem around almost every single player here is that they all want to be GODs again.
Excuse what I want is a sensible balance NW because atm wizards can heal and tank, healers and tankers can nuke and worst a class with 9 encounters.
TR atm is in its rightful place I know all the hate still there for playing tricks on ya but you should all know that killing isnt always winning. I can win a match with my TR simple by dropping smoke and dummies in a node and without killing anyone but of course you all will be <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and hate us more.
That's up to you to decide, you can have a look at those sets in the black Ice profession tab. I think it's absolutely not worth it.
Nice strategy covering a hole with leaves and papers, you people mixing the topics here to mislead readers. I can read you like an open book so shame on you hypocrites the act is good but you can drop it now.
Yes as my title says if :
the maximum damage resistance is 80% and if the tenacity dr works as should be to add Only in pvp with your original dr from defence.I mean 10% from defence 45 % from tenacity 55 % + 20 % ( after shield stop first 2 hit) =75% dr in pvp
so if that theory is true why negation?
i DID 5 PVP so far with soulforge i didnt feel to have weakness i felt very tanky i think cw dont need negation.
AA AND ONE basic difference armor penetration resistance : decrease the effectiveness of armor penetration stat ( not the resistance ignore %)
but in case of damage resistance description say: increase damage resistance ( not defence stat) against enemy players
what do you know CW claimed he is already tanky with just the shield no need for negation... hey hypocrites come and comment on these
1. Highest damage aoe and single
2. Owns tons of CC
3. Range
4. Very mobile can get in and out of battle (more than one teleport? seriously? like a TR?)
5. High Survivability via barrier and high hp pool from 70 gear (wow face tank and face roll any melee class?)
6. Perma Freeze/choke to death
7. Highest kiting capability
8. 4 encounter with 1 empowered
9. Casting time for a caster class? can you notice the casting time?
Tell me if there is any disadvantage from this class
REGARDS
Ok, let's try in this way:
1.Aoe is ok, but remember that mainly we are an aoe class so i think that this is normal, single no, we can't have bot single and aoe, if u build for pwe your aoe will be the best, if u build for pvp with focused wizardry your single damage is in line with the other class ( but lost a lot of aoe damage for that ), the main problem is the autoproc of Storm Spell that hit like a bomb, but everyone here , cw itself, totally agree for a balance of that ability.
2. Actually both in pwe and in pvp the cc of the cw is under the foot, in most of the t2 mobs have cc resist, and our control dont work anymore , i think that a cw totally build for control ( full oppressor ) can cc for around 2 sec the mobs.
For pvp most class have more cc of the cw,or have some kind of cc break, so your argue is incorrect, because, always considering this in a balance way, like is now is a little less of the other class.
So u are wrong here .
3. Range....i think that here u are joking, cw is a range class, like hr and sw, what is the point?
4. Very Mobile, we have 3 dodge, if u build for having high stamina regen can arrive at 4, like most of the other class with dodge, ( usually range class ) so is balanced, and u are wronge in this point too.
5.high survability... with lv 70 item, every class has his lv 70 set with his boost in hp, so there are no difference vs the other class with same gear, and u are wrong here.
Shield, already explained to you, i will not repeat myself, hit it 3 time and it's broken, kill the cw , another time, you are wrong, really start to think that is a l2p problem.
6. Perma Freeze was possible only in mod 4, after the first freeze u have 4 sec of immunity to freeze, then the cw can rebuild the stack of chill and freeze u again,so you are wrong here too
7. Kiting ...vs who? maybe vs a sw with same gear, but the other? so we are good in kiting vs just 1 class, wrong another time
8. 4 encountr plus 1 empowerd....wrong another time mate, we dont have 5 slot in the bar, just 4 in total, like everyone.
1 empowerd ( TAB ), Q,E, R, and for slotting Shield in the TAB can't use an empowerd attack spell.
9. Casting time...the most longest casting time of all the class, in pvp a lot of player are able to avoid the EF or CF ( if used ) thanks to the long casting time that they requir, and this is a clear l2p issue, just train yourself with a friend in iwd for learn the timing , so u will be able to avoid them too.
i forgot, u are wrong another time.
Now, i answered to everyone of your point, so that the main topic will not be moved to other.
what do you know CW claimed he is already tanky with just the shield no need for negation... hey hypocrites come and comment on these
And it is in line with all the other class with same pvp gear ( tenacity ), wrong another time mate
If u try to argue that shield give us more dr ( just 1 hit, then decrease ), other class have different defence ability, so in the end is in line with the other class too.
Shield, already explained to you, i will not repeat myself, hit it 3 time and it's broken, kill the cw , another time, you are wrong, really start to think that is a l2p problem.
Even when shield is broken its still 25% unmitigated DR when active (its masive and equales 10000 defence stat), learn about your class pls.
4. Very Mobile, we have 3 dodge, if u build for having high stamina regen can arrive at 4, like most of the other class with dodge, ( usually range class ) so is balanced, and u are wronge in this point too.
DC and TR have basic 4 dodges, CW have got 3 dodges, you can have more dodges on CW if you take feat "Severe Reaction" but it is only 15% chance to restore 10% stamina when you take some damage and actually this feat is useless because of many reason for example undodgeable HR's roots + you must sacrifice 5 heroic feats to have the same stamina as TR and DC in place for example some dps feat.
this is some correction of people who said " CW has got 4 dodges", this is untruth
Even when shield is broken its still 25% unmitigated DR when active (its masive and equales 10000 defence stat), learn about your class pls.
A CW with an extra 25% DR is still a worse tank than most any other class. Keep in mind that CW's have low Armor Class, CW armor has low defense/deflect, and CW's have no feats which increase durability. But because of the re-worked stat curves only has about 9% DR now
A CW with an extra 25% DR is still a worse tank than most any other class. Keep in mind that CW's have low Armor Class, CW armor has low defense/deflect, and CW's have no feats which increase durability. But because of the re-worked stat curves only has about 9% DR now
11% (my guildies dr)+25%= 36%; my gf have 31% in pvp scenario with 8k defence...
BTW. im not against shield only ss on atwills, but i hate when ppl lie.
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a good Tr vs a good HR trapper still have advantage
shield getting half CD? seriously?
Are you playing stupid or you are just stupid?
Disagree on what? Single target CW's ability? There is no damage and no control from single target damage CW skills.
Look up here, there is your "entalging" vs half geared TR :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHfuOQMsNU&spfreload=10
All CW damage becomes from building chill stack, and you can't build it vs TR becouse you cant see him.
Next, you told me, i atacked him when he was using ITC. is that something new for you? When TR come out from stealth he is always using ITC and later again stealth, so when should i atack him? Now even 2 second stealth reveal is gone, so what CW should do mr. I know all about CW.
besides, most of you told about CW "tankiest" and this is main topic here. Tell me, how long i was abble to survive with 97k hp, tabbed shield, r12. negation and 2600 tenacity vs TR? i can tell you -> 17 seconds, So please, change the object of your all whining.
Maybe speak to some other CWs. Because i've seen that TR vs Allt in IWD, and allt clears him most of the time. Maybe there is something wrong with your build
AllT is bug user, he is fighting with spell twisting so don't compare.
As a TR with high arpen, crit and power, for my ilvl. I have found that I can go toe to toe with equally geared gf and gwf... but I get destroyed by 70k disintegrates and **** choke burns.
Considering that I believe most devs play casters, it is not hard to believe that this was not an accident.
Just my two-cents.
I was told that a CW hit for 7,000,000 damage in eLoL. A guildie was present during the event. The highest damage hit that I heard about, before m6, was done by a now nerfed SW... @ 4.7 million. The players that play them will admit they are OP in private... but they will never stand for a nerfing. My suggestion, is this then, boost everyone else to their level... and we'll all be good.
I was recently asked to build a CW to help the guild... I dont like to play casters. I am considering this, as I was told that it is the easiest class to play. I was told that by 2 CWs...
Enlighten us on what pre-mod 6 pvp gear you have?
I have the mod 6 gear that gives me 90k hp. I don't even use shield, cause most people are so undergeared that it doesn't matter. Please come back when you have done your homework and we can talk.
T Feytouched.
Yeah, I was told to by two of my TR friends that CW was the easiest class to play , after face, keyboard rolling trickster Rogue players. I don't know rather to laugh at your post , due to you joking and "lying about damage" or just to look at this as a trolling post.
I don't know how many times people have to suggest to individuals who are not even booned or geared yet, if you go up against a CW or any other class in **** gear, your going to get owned in PvP, in this game. This game is a 70-30% gear to skill based game.
This is no big secret, evenly geared player with one having a higher weapon enchant will win most of the time over the person with the weaker enchant. A equally geared player with one having all boons will almost "all the time dominate the **** out of the non booned player.
Face those facts!
Also, the only way a CW is doing 4-7 million damage to boss mobs is through bugged boons and enchants, not through design of the classes' debuffs and damaging abilities.
-Kymos
My goal here is complete I gave my opinion and get some CW to discuss among themselves. I just want people to realize what things makes sense if you dont accept it then goodluck something is wrong with these people psychologically. I dont talk about gear try reading previous comments you will get your answer there I hate to repeat what I already mentioned.
regards
Yes, steal time, it has to be used to fight perma stealthed Rogues now. What you see in that video is usually the norm, that Rogues probably was geared and booned to the teeth along with high *** enchants.
Again, what it boils down to is the developers going back to the drawing board on PvP period. TR are in a "BETTER" place than any clas in this game as far as PvP goes, and while CW can seem super over powered against undergeared/booned people it takes a lot more work to play them in my book.
My TR in BI gear still owns people and while I do have to be aware of my surroundings when playing my TR, not being biased here, this class is made to be good at PvP, followed by CW. No class in this game, and I repeat, none are more efficient at killing in PvP than the TR class.
-Kymos
like icy rays-entagling-repel-chil strike deal high damage:)show me a control which deal more damage than a pure offensive encounter.
No need to answer this guy she just goes in circles lol she
Excuse what I want is a sensible balance NW because atm wizards can heal and tank, healers and tankers can nuke and worst a class with 9 encounters.
TR atm is in its rightful place I know all the hate still there for playing tricks on ya but you should all know that killing isnt always winning. I can win a match with my TR simple by dropping smoke and dummies in a node and without killing anyone but of course you all will be <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and hate us more.
regards
That's up to you to decide, you can have a look at those sets in the black Ice profession tab. I think it's absolutely not worth it.
Nice strategy covering a hole with leaves and papers, you people mixing the topics here to mislead readers. I can read you like an open book so shame on you hypocrites the act is good but you can drop it now.
actually im a hr.
what do you know CW claimed he is already tanky with just the shield no need for negation... hey hypocrites come and comment on these
Ok, let's try in this way:
1.Aoe is ok, but remember that mainly we are an aoe class so i think that this is normal, single no, we can't have bot single and aoe, if u build for pwe your aoe will be the best, if u build for pvp with focused wizardry your single damage is in line with the other class ( but lost a lot of aoe damage for that ), the main problem is the autoproc of Storm Spell that hit like a bomb, but everyone here , cw itself, totally agree for a balance of that ability.
2. Actually both in pwe and in pvp the cc of the cw is under the foot, in most of the t2 mobs have cc resist, and our control dont work anymore , i think that a cw totally build for control ( full oppressor ) can cc for around 2 sec the mobs.
For pvp most class have more cc of the cw,or have some kind of cc break, so your argue is incorrect, because, always considering this in a balance way, like is now is a little less of the other class.
So u are wrong here .
3. Range....i think that here u are joking, cw is a range class, like hr and sw, what is the point?
4. Very Mobile, we have 3 dodge, if u build for having high stamina regen can arrive at 4, like most of the other class with dodge, ( usually range class ) so is balanced, and u are wronge in this point too.
5.high survability... with lv 70 item, every class has his lv 70 set with his boost in hp, so there are no difference vs the other class with same gear, and u are wrong here.
Shield, already explained to you, i will not repeat myself, hit it 3 time and it's broken, kill the cw , another time, you are wrong, really start to think that is a l2p problem.
6. Perma Freeze was possible only in mod 4, after the first freeze u have 4 sec of immunity to freeze, then the cw can rebuild the stack of chill and freeze u again,so you are wrong here too
7. Kiting ...vs who? maybe vs a sw with same gear, but the other? so we are good in kiting vs just 1 class, wrong another time
8. 4 encountr plus 1 empowerd....wrong another time mate, we dont have 5 slot in the bar, just 4 in total, like everyone.
1 empowerd ( TAB ), Q,E, R, and for slotting Shield in the TAB can't use an empowerd attack spell.
9. Casting time...the most longest casting time of all the class, in pvp a lot of player are able to avoid the EF or CF ( if used ) thanks to the long casting time that they requir, and this is a clear l2p issue, just train yourself with a friend in iwd for learn the timing , so u will be able to avoid them too.
i forgot, u are wrong another time.
Now, i answered to everyone of your point, so that the main topic will not be moved to other.
Regards
And it is in line with all the other class with same pvp gear ( tenacity ), wrong another time mate
If u try to argue that shield give us more dr ( just 1 hit, then decrease ), other class have different defence ability, so in the end is in line with the other class too.
Even when shield is broken its still 25% unmitigated DR when active (its masive and equales 10000 defence stat), learn about your class pls.
Steel and Magic
DC and TR have basic 4 dodges, CW have got 3 dodges, you can have more dodges on CW if you take feat "Severe Reaction" but it is only 15% chance to restore 10% stamina when you take some damage and actually this feat is useless because of many reason for example undodgeable HR's roots + you must sacrifice 5 heroic feats to have the same stamina as TR and DC in place for example some dps feat.
this is some correction of people who said " CW has got 4 dodges", this is untruth
A CW with an extra 25% DR is still a worse tank than most any other class. Keep in mind that CW's have low Armor Class, CW armor has low defense/deflect, and CW's have no feats which increase durability. But because of the re-worked stat curves only has about 9% DR now
11% (my guildies dr)+25%= 36%; my gf have 31% in pvp scenario with 8k defence...
BTW. im not against shield only ss on atwills, but i hate when ppl lie.
Steel and Magic
sorry mate, but where i lied? when u drop down the shield, the cw is death, or u dont agree with that?
Steel and Magic