Now go read thread about this then come back.
If you compare Hr in todays NW with CW you might consider this how many HR is there out there and how many Cws think twice before you do stupid comparisons.
If you think the OPness of Cw is contested by Hrs there is really no hope for you a lost couse with nothing more to add....
an HR vs a CW is what matters. how many out there is not my problem as i have no control on what people like to use
think twice we're balancing class not population
If Shield is nerfed then there is not much of defensive mechanism left of CW because what you're saying will not affect only PvP but also in PvE aspect . one thing i noticed was you did not suggest anything and only complaining all the time.
Do I need to repeat what was mentioned in the previous pages again? not coming from me alone but from other CWs themselves
go to page one and talk to yourself. I know pvp and gear so there is no reason for me to mention it here this is a day to day coffee break with uncle Sam who knows their stuff and needs no further flaring and bragging of gears and how much dollars you spend.
Way to go. Ignore my arguments against your claims and claim my reasoning as bashing. 'Tone down' is a polite way to ask for a nerf.
Well you should read the whole thread other CW will answer you so there is no need for me to waste time and argue with you.
Your not worth it thats all
Well you should read the whole thread other CW will answer you so there is no need for me to waste time and argue with you.
Your not worth it thats all
Regards
Thanks for showing your face. It is a waste of time to try to reason with ppl who have no clue of the class and PvP mechanics.
You claim, that you want balance. You claim, that this is not a 'buhu nerf'-thread. Balance would need understanding and a discussion. You dont discuss, so it is just another nerf thread.
BTW, if this whining gets a result I predict, that you will be back here two days later with a xy is to much he has ... , as long as XY is not the class you are playing.
I shoud have stopped trying to reason with you, when you claimed, that SS/ EoTS is the new meta. It showed, that you have no clue at all. I assumed, that you want to understand the mechanics for balancing reasons. I was wrong.
Thanks for showing your face. It is a waste of time to try to reason with ppl who have no clue of the class and PvP mechanics.
You claim, that you want balance. You claim, that this is not a 'buhu nerf'-thread. Balance would need understanding and a discussion. You dont discuss, so it is just another nerf thread.
BTW, if this whining gets a result I predict, that you will be back here two days later with a xy is to much he has ... , as long as XY is not the class you are playing.
I shoud have stopped trying to reason with you, when you claimed, that SS/ EoTS is the new meta. It showed, that you have no clue at all. I assumed, that you want to understand the mechanics for balancing reasons. I was wrong.
EDIT, because this forum has not "invisible type/write mode". U_U . It was just a joke, sorry.
But, now, a real tip: using Steal on PvP is really bad due, basically and, also, as yourself suffered a lot of times on that video: the TR just countered you almost each time you casted it.
Then you should know that the CW's single target spells are useless too against TRs becouse of long casting time. It was preety hard to land it even with 2 second stealth reveal, now it is almost impossible as it once was.
Thanks for showing your face. It is a waste of time to try to reason with ppl who have no clue of the class and PvP mechanics.
You claim, that you want balance. You claim, that this is not a 'buhu nerf'-thread. Balance would need understanding and a discussion. You dont discuss, so it is just another nerf thread.
BTW, if this whining gets a result I predict, that you will be back here two days later with a xy is to much he has ... , as long as XY is not the class you are playing.
I shoud have stopped trying to reason with you, when you claimed, that SS/ EoTS is the new meta. It showed, that you have no clue at all. I assumed, that you want to understand the mechanics for balancing reasons. I was wrong.
I stop reasoning with you long time ago it was your persistent crying that got my attention and obliged to do something about your tantrums. For you to defend CW this aggressive means only one thing....
To be clear, I think CWs need less "trimming" than some other classes do. They probably need to at least reinstate stealth reveal and nerf Shadowy Opportunity for TRs, fix the HR dazes, and we'll see how things go with GWFs and GFs, who can both be quite tanky with massive burst damage on top.
So you mean to say range class should have same damage and survivabilty of a melee class?
if thats the case then kindly close this thread because its pointless to have "variety among classes"
make evert class range simple isnt? cloth user be as tough as a plate user makes sense right?
Then you should know that the CW's single target spells are useless too against TRs becouse of long casting time. It was preety hard to land it even with 2 second stealth reveal, now it is almost impossible as it once was.
1v1 TR counters CW thats what I know and HR eats TR for lunch
In my opinion, CW's don't need a fix. Without their shield they could be 1 shotted by all classes. The key thing i learned is, to get their shield down, preferably not with your biggest-baddest-burst but a small opener. Then the CW tends to dodge away, you may follow him and guard/dodge eventual incoming attacks. After the CC resist frame of their teleport has worn off, you may apply a CC onto the CW, stun/prone/freeze w/e. Once the CW, who has no shield anymore is unable to move. Finally, you may apply some damage and most likely kill the CW in the process.
I think all the complaining comes from people, throwing their highest hitting (mostly long CD) skills onto the CW shield. I know this first hand, because i used to complain about it myself, before learning how to nullify the shield without being unable to attack, afterwards.
But hey, i just started to pvp two weeks ago, i might be wrong.
I stop reasoning with you long time ago it was your persistent crying that got my attention and obliged to do something about your tantrums. For you to defend CW this aggressive means only one thing....
So you mean to say range class should have same damage and survivabilty of a melee class?
if thats the case then kindly close this thread because its pointless to have "variety among classes"
make evert class range simple isnt? cloth user be as tough as a plate user makes sense right?
Now we get to personal insults. Try at last to pretend to discuss or I will have to ask the moderators to point out the finer ways of conversation and the forum rules to you.
The control wizard is close to be balanced (In PVP, since it will always reign in PVE, absolutely no class will ever dethrone the CW in PVE)
The major problem with CW's, just like TR's, is that a single paragon feature is making the whole class broken, as well as putting the other paragon path to shame (Master of Flame for CW, WhisperKnife for TR).
Fixing Storm Spell is pretty simple, it doesn't even need to be reverted back to module 3 to be balanced. How? It's simple, make it only proc on encounter powers.
Let's be real here, the main source of Storm Spell is the at-will Ray of Frost. If Storm Spell procced only off encounters, it would still be a nice source of damage, but not your MAIN source of damage.
To compensate for that change, simply buff their base encounter damage by a decent amount.
As for Shield... they actually need it. Because a CW without shield is worse than a Warlock in terms of fragility.
A good change for shield would be to make it explode when heavily damaged. That way, it cannot be a "Cast and forget" type of power that constantly provides protection. To compensate for that, once the Shield explodes after taking heavy damage, its cooldown is reduced by half (Half the amount of the cooldown if you pop it using Shield Pulse).
In my opinion, CW's don't need a fix. Without their shield they could be 1 shotted by all classes. The key thing i learned is, to get their shield down, preferably not with your biggest-baddest-burst but a small opener. Then the CW tends to dodge away, you may follow him and guard/dodge eventual incoming attacks. After the CC resist frame of their teleport has worn off, you may apply a CC onto the CW, stun/prone/freeze w/e. Once the CW, who has no shield anymore is unable to move. Finally, you may apply some damage and most likely kill the CW in the process.
I think all the complaining comes from people, throwing their highest hitting (mostly long CD) skills onto the CW shield. I know this first hand, because i used to complain about it myself, before learning how to nullify the shield without being unable to attack, afterwards.
But hey, i just started to pvp two weeks ago, i might be wrong.
Yes you are correct but we already know that and it isnt just the shield (self explanatory)
Now we get to personal insults. Try at last to pretend to discuss or I will have to ask the moderators to point out the finer ways of conversation and the forum rules to you.
I dissagree, because when i saw a TR on enemy team, i tend to swap "Repel" for "Entantgling". I know that it does not hold the TR that long (not even 1 sec at all IF entant gets deflected or TR uses ITC [which is good]), but it should help you to deplete his/her Stealth bar. Also, if you want to contest nodes, instead of Steal Time, i would use Icy Terrain instead: less range/AoE, less damage, bit better CD and, for last but not least, it is an staying power.
Anyway, If you didnt notice on your own video, you casted Steal Time (and even Icy Knife) a bunch of times while GrillZ were on ITC, rolling away from you or even while he was not on node (couldn't you notice that your node's flag were totally blue?? :S ) OR, while you were casting it, he just dazed you. In fact, you just landed it around 5 times at all, do you think that it is really THAT worth? vs PuGs?? sure. Vs players like me, maybe (on my defense, i must say that i tend to facetank the damage with all classes like i do with my GWF. XDDD). Vs PvP players? pray to God Server to bring lag into your target.
yes Repel the ultimate "melee nipol twister" finally Im waiting for someone to mention it here
not by other class but a CW itself. Now the question is why do CW possess this much?
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an HR vs a CW is what matters. how many out there is not my problem as i have no control on what people like to use
think twice we're balancing class not population
Do I need to repeat what was mentioned in the previous pages again? not coming from me alone but from other CWs themselves
go to page one and talk to yourself. I know pvp and gear so there is no reason for me to mention it here this is a day to day coffee break with uncle Sam who knows their stuff and needs no further flaring and bragging of gears and how much dollars you spend.
Regards
Well you should read the whole thread other CW will answer you so there is no need for me to waste time and argue with you.
Your not worth it thats all
Regards
Well according to other CW their class needs some trimming
Because i do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSGxzqDDwCU&feature=youtu.be
WTB Class Reroll please
Maybe it would be easier to sharpen the 3 remaining ones.
TR doesn't have the 2 second reveal anymore. So pretty much everyone is forced to slot AOE's again (Steal Time, Come and Get it, etc etc).
Inform yourself.
Thanks for showing your face. It is a waste of time to try to reason with ppl who have no clue of the class and PvP mechanics.
You claim, that you want balance. You claim, that this is not a 'buhu nerf'-thread. Balance would need understanding and a discussion. You dont discuss, so it is just another nerf thread.
BTW, if this whining gets a result I predict, that you will be back here two days later with a xy is to much he has ... , as long as XY is not the class you are playing.
I shoud have stopped trying to reason with you, when you claimed, that SS/ EoTS is the new meta. It showed, that you have no clue at all. I assumed, that you want to understand the mechanics for balancing reasons. I was wrong.
I can see you were never played as CW vs TR
+1 for macjae post.
Totally Agree, already stopped few post ago.
Then you should know that the CW's single target spells are useless too against TRs becouse of long casting time. It was preety hard to land it even with 2 second stealth reveal, now it is almost impossible as it once was.
I stop reasoning with you long time ago it was your persistent crying that got my attention and obliged to do something about your tantrums. For you to defend CW this aggressive means only one thing....
So you mean to say range class should have same damage and survivabilty of a melee class?
if thats the case then kindly close this thread because its pointless to have "variety among classes"
make evert class range simple isnt? cloth user be as tough as a plate user makes sense right?
1v1 TR counters CW thats what I know and HR eats TR for lunch
I think all the complaining comes from people, throwing their highest hitting (mostly long CD) skills onto the CW shield. I know this first hand, because i used to complain about it myself, before learning how to nullify the shield without being unable to attack, afterwards.
But hey, i just started to pvp two weeks ago, i might be wrong.
Now we get to personal insults. Try at last to pretend to discuss or I will have to ask the moderators to point out the finer ways of conversation and the forum rules to you.
The major problem with CW's, just like TR's, is that a single paragon feature is making the whole class broken, as well as putting the other paragon path to shame (Master of Flame for CW, WhisperKnife for TR).
Fixing Storm Spell is pretty simple, it doesn't even need to be reverted back to module 3 to be balanced. How? It's simple, make it only proc on encounter powers.
Let's be real here, the main source of Storm Spell is the at-will Ray of Frost. If Storm Spell procced only off encounters, it would still be a nice source of damage, but not your MAIN source of damage.
To compensate for that change, simply buff their base encounter damage by a decent amount.
As for Shield... they actually need it. Because a CW without shield is worse than a Warlock in terms of fragility.
A good change for shield would be to make it explode when heavily damaged. That way, it cannot be a "Cast and forget" type of power that constantly provides protection. To compensate for that, once the Shield explodes after taking heavy damage, its cooldown is reduced by half (Half the amount of the cooldown if you pop it using Shield Pulse).
Yes you are correct but we already know that and it isnt just the shield (self explanatory)
*yawn do your worst got tired already
yes Repel the ultimate "melee nipol twister" finally Im waiting for someone to mention it here
not by other class but a CW itself. Now the question is why do CW possess this much?