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Control Wizard is too much, we want balance!

k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
edited May 2015 in PvP Discussion
Control Wizard is a cookie cutter class!

1. Highest damage aoe and single
2. Owns tons of CC
3. Range
4. Very mobile can get in and out of battle (more than one teleport? seriously? like a TR?)
5. High Survivability via barrier and high hp pool from 70 gear (wow face tank and face roll any melee class?)
6. Perma Freeze/choke to death
7. Highest kiting capability
8. 4 encounter with 1 empowered
9. Casting time for a caster class? can you notice the casting time?

Tell me if there is any disadvantage from this class

REGARDS
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  • angrymanagementangrymanagement Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Try using PVP gear.
  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    No, there is not, I went back to my CW and SW, after running into a well played CW in PvP. Now I do feel less intimidated by other classes, including Rogues on my CW and will 1vs 1 a lot in GG, but on my SW I try to stick with the group, based on slow *** casts, no real mitigation abilities and my weakness to CC and damage even through Shadow slip.

    CW are in a good place right now, against any class once geared and booned out.

    Ps,

    What makes them so good in the burst department is the spell storm proc, I hit a BI artifact geared Rogue for 55k per proc today using Ray of frost, killed him before he had time to Whodini vanish,again.
    I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.

    -Kymos
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    Try using PVP gear.

    I have pvp gear ready even before mod6 hit live
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    gomok72 wrote: »
    No, there is not, I went back to my CW and SW, after running into a well played CW in PvP. Now I do feel less intimidated by other classes, including Rogues on my CW and will 1vs 1 a lot in GG, but on my SW I try to stick with the group, based on slow *** casts, no real mitigation abilities and my weakness to CC and damage even through Shadow slip.

    CW are in a good place right now, against any class once geared and booned out.

    There you go people CW doesnt fear anyone coz it is OP its a range caster that can face tank any class and out damage anyone
    LOL! wapak! in a good place right now feels good to be a cookie cutter CW huh? you got everything down there brah!
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    dont mess with the cw
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    dont mess with the cw

    We want balance we are not messing them up
    cookie cutter CW should be put in place
  • greatweaponarmygreatweaponarmy Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The problem is Shield and Storm spell.. that's it.

    I can already go toe-to-toe with the current CW's as a GWF, more or less. It can go both ways.

    If they get shield and storm spell fixed they won't be anything special.
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    The problem is Shield and Storm spell.. that's it.

    I can already go toe-to-toe with the current CW's as a GWF, more or less. It can go both ways.

    If they get shield and storm spell fixed they won't be anything special.

    Yes those two are the biggest issue but dont narrow it down to that two coz its still the highest damage aoe and single and not to mention to kite 24/7
  • greatweaponarmygreatweaponarmy Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    Yes those two are the biggest issue but dont narrow it down to that two coz its still the highest damage aoe and single and not to mention to kite 24/7

    The kits isn't an issue if you know how to play....

    Launch your CC at the right time after they teleport.. and bam.. the CW is caught in the CC.
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    We want balance we are not messing them up
    cookie cutter CW should be put in place

    what i meant was cw is super powerful its better to avoid them in pvp rather than take them on.
  • grabmooregrabmoore Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The problem is Shield and Storm spell.. that's it.

    I can already go toe-to-toe with the current CW's as a GWF, more or less. It can go both ways.

    If they get shield and storm spell fixed they won't be anything special.

    If they would remove those two, I'd be very happy.

    As a CW I won't go SS ever again as long as this passive does 40% of my damage. It's just no fun at all. They are a great class to play even without massive autoproc damage and uber mitigtation.
    @grabmoore

    Heroes of Darkness

    Retired since 02/15
    My opinions are my own. Please do not judge my friends nor guild for my statements.
  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    Control Wizard is a cookie cutter class!

    1. Highest damage aoe and single
    2. Owns tons of CC
    3. Range
    4. Very mobile can get in and out of battle (more than one teleport? seriously? like a TR?)
    5. High Survivability via barrier and high hp pool from 70 gear (wow face tank and face roll any melee class?)
    6. Perma Freeze/choke to death
    7. Highest kiting capability
    8. 4 encounter with 1 empowered
    9. Casting time for a caster class? can you notice the casting time?

    Tell me if there is any disadvantage from this class

    REGARDS

    Did you ever play a CW?

    You can EITHER go for single target OR AoE dps, dps OR CC.

    You complain about 4 dmg encounters and about shield on tab, it does not work that way.

    Highest kite ability, really? Ever fought a TR or HR.

    3 dodges, like EVERY class with dodge (exept HR with 6 shorter ones).

    CW is strong, with negation and feytouched even stronger, but same goes for DC, GWF and other classes.

    PS. You have to love comments like 'I can kill CWs, but sometimes they kill me, too. Nerf them, they are OP.'
    Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    asterotg wrote: »
    Did you ever play a CW?

    You can EITHER go for single target OR AoE dps, dps OR CC.

    You complain about 4 dmg encounters and about shield on tab, it does not work that way.

    Highest kite ability, really? Ever fought a TR or HR.

    3 dodges, like EVERY class with dodge (exept HR with 6 shorter ones).

    CW is strong, with negation and feytouched even stronger, but same goes for DC, GWF and other classes.

    PS. You have to love comments like 'I can kill CWs, but sometimes they kill me, too. Nerf them, they are OP.'

    I play both. I won't say CWs are OP, but I will say the way it is designed is stupid, and just asking for trouble and complaints.

    It really doesn't harbor much of a skill issue, but rather a very simplistic approach to combat being "ME SHIELD, YOU TICKLE, ME GOT RANDOM PROCCY PROCCY ZAPZAPZAPZAPZAPZAPZAP YOU DIE". It's... not really all that fun, both on the inflicting, and receiving end.
  • greatweaponarmygreatweaponarmy Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I play both. I won't say CWs are OP, but I will say the way it is designed is stupid, and just asking for trouble and complaints.

    It really doesn't harbor much of a skill issue, but rather a very simplistic approach to combat being "ME SHIELD, YOU TICKLE, ME GOT RANDOM PROCCY PROCCY ZAPZAPZAPZAPZAPZAPZAP YOU DIE". It's... not really all that fun, both on the inflicting, and receiving end.

    Rofl kweassa.

    I remember how you mocked my class before "ME HULK SMASH! ME ROAR!" etc etc and now you have this thing for CW's. That's hilarious.

    Wonder what your next class mocking will be, I'm taking bets on Paladin.
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    Rofl kweassa.

    I remember how you mocked my class before "ME HULK SMASH! ME ROAR!" etc etc and now you have this thing for CW's. That's hilarious.

    Wonder what your next class mocking will be, I'm taking bets on Paladin.

    You're saying as if that's untrue.

    Are you openly denying the brainless, easy-mode nature of the GWFs circa mod2~mod3?
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    asterotg wrote: »
    Did you ever play a CW?

    You can EITHER go for single target OR AoE dps, dps OR CC.

    You complain about 4 dmg encounters and about shield on tab, it does not work that way.

    Highest kite ability, really? Ever fought a TR or HR.

    3 dodges, like EVERY class with dodge (exept HR with 6 shorter ones).

    CW is strong, with negation and feytouched even stronger, but same goes for DC, GWF and other classes.

    PS. You have to love comments like 'I can kill CWs, but sometimes they kill me, too. Nerf them, they are OP.'

    Did you find "nerf" in my comments? I said "we want balance" not to kill the class like some of you did to TR
    I dont want to fight a jelly legs CW either in pvp did I gave a comment/ suggestion that will break a leg for CW? NO

    REGARDS
  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    There you go people CW doesnt fear anyone coz it is OP its a range caster that can face tank any class and out damage anyone
    LOL! wapak! in a good place right now feels good to be a cookie cutter CW huh? you got everything down there brah!

    Lol, Rofl copters "Eyez been playing dee CW sense betas, "BRAH", da sky is falling, ROFL stomp, PWNZ".

    I been playing CW since opening day and CW in PvP against equally geared skill people, CW is a challenge to handle (Just like Rogues).
    Both classes were in a bad place for pvp for a very long time, now since the buffs hit, whine threads and posts like yours are a daily headline, brah
    I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.

    -Kymos
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    gomok72 wrote: »
    Lol, Rofl copters "Eyez been playing dee CW sense betas, "BRAH", da sky is falling, ROFL stomp, PWNZ".

    I been playing CW since opening day and CW in PvP against equally geared skill people, CW is a challenge to handle (Just like Rogues).
    Both classes were in a bad place for pvp for a very long time, now since the buffs hit, whine threads and posts like yours are a daily headline, brah
    i just wish everyone would stop whining all the time. it gets old.
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    CW was always good in pvp even in mod 3/4. The prone junggling and crazy debuffs for all party. TRs were always top notch. These two classes were in every premade team class comp so pls stop lying.

    btw CW has 6 teleports with t. elven battle.
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    ravenan wrote: »
    CW was always good in pvp even in mod 3/4. The prone junggling and crazy debuffs for all party. TRs were always top notch. These two classes were in every premade team class comp so pls stop lying.

    btw CW has 6 teleports with t. elven battle.

    thank you for your honesty. i started playing just before mod 5 so i wouldnt know.
  • obsydian666obsydian666 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    Control Wizard is a cookie cutter class!

    1. Highest damage aoe and single
    2. Owns tons of CC
    3. Range
    4. Very mobile can get in and out of battle (more than one teleport? seriously? like a TR?)
    5. High Survivability via barrier and high hp pool from 70 gear (wow face tank and face roll any melee class?)
    6. Perma Freeze/choke to death
    7. Highest kiting capability
    8. 4 encounter with 1 empowered
    9. Casting time for a caster class? can you notice the casting time?

    Tell me if there is any disadvantage from this class

    REGARDS


    That would be nice to have all of this :D

    PS. Point about "very mobile" amused me so much.
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Yep, this kind of list can be written for every class :). They usualy fail to point that "not in the same build". I realy have only problem with SS. If it would be ajusted to normal numbers we could just go to other classes with nerf rage. GF or OP next? :rolleyes:
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
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  • ivantomdisplayivantomdisplay Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    i just wish everyone would stop whining all the time. it gets old.
    Gawd, you and your signature are in every thread! Chill out dude!
    [10:49] [Combat (Self)] Your Proton Barrage deals 96581 (43411) Proton(Critical) to Seto.
    Poor soul didnt have time to log out.
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Being support isnt bad. Ppl died extrimly fast when CW was around. And it worked in team. And i wrote "even in mod 3" because this was 1 mod wen he wasnt alfa dog like all other mods. The toughest times for CWs but still viable.
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
  • xgrandz02xgrandz02 Member Posts: 702 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    CW got currently too much Possibilities than any other classes,
    Right now they can stay with a High dmg and high survivability both at same time,
    this is simply too much!

    And what always ppl like to Ignore is the fact:
    to be a Ranged-Class are already a High-Advantage itself.

    I do not knew any other game, who is it like this.
    Neverwinter gives Ranged classes too much freedom to be strong and tough at same time.

    I do not have a problem with Cws Power BUT having a high defensive too it's not right,
    if Cryptic will give CW High-Power OK, But Reduce their defensive possibilities!!

    They are already the PvE-Kings since Neverwinter was launched,
    With a party of CWs you can simply ignore all other classes.
    <::::::[]==0 GwF 0==[]::::::> ● Still waiting for the promised Improvement ●
  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    Did you find "nerf" in my comments? I said "we want balance" not to kill the class like some of you did to TR
    I dont want to fight a jelly legs CW either in pvp did I gave a comment/ suggestion that will break a leg for CW? NO

    REGARDS

    No, but they are misleading due to the fact, that you made a list with different points, that are exclusive to each other, as if they would apply at the same time. My PS was directed to other comments.
    xgrandz02 wrote: »
    They are already the PvE-Kings since Neverwinter was launched,
    With a party of CWs you can simply ignore all other classes.

    Plz dont mix PvE with PvE. This is no argument IMO. We had this with HR and TR, the other way around for ages.
    Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
  • piejalpiejal Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    CW become OP for now..
    well at least it's not as bad as TR in last mod.. just need to fix some bug in every class and some wep and armor enchan like negation and feytouch
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    gomok72 wrote: »
    Lol, Rofl copters "Eyez been playing dee CW sense betas, "BRAH", da sky is falling, ROFL stomp, PWNZ".

    I been playing CW since opening day and CW in PvP against equally geared skill people, CW is a challenge to handle (Just like Rogues).
    Both classes were in a bad place for pvp for a very long time, now since the buffs hit, whine threads and posts like yours are a daily headline, brah

    Who wants to step down from godlike mode? its easy to be a CW you dont need to get up close so nothing personal we want BALANCE
    you can be a hypocrite all you want brah ;)
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    That would be nice to have all of this :D

    PS. Point about "very mobile" amused me so much.

    seriously joker? batman is not here?

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenan View Post
    CW was always good in pvp even in mod 3/4. The prone junggling and crazy debuffs for all party. TRs were always top notch. These two classes were in every premade team class comp so pls stop lying.

    btw CW has 6 teleports with t. elven battle.
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