Can I get a comprehensive list of what I have to do to not get kicked from a dungeon? I mean, there’s a delve only a couple times a day and RNGesus isn’t giving me anything /outside/ of delves despite my efforts, but even clearing Pirate King without a round of kicks is cause for celebration at this point.
I keep believing that this is going to be fixed, yet each week my characters get stunted because I can’t stomach more than a few kicks in a row without turning into the polar opposite of Mr. Rogers, raving and hurling things like Bobby Knight.
Reasons I have encountered or heard of:
1) Player went too far ahead (as little as 50ft or as little as two weak enemies left before advancing)
2) Player was too far behind (as little as ~80 feet or running around picking up copper in Epics)
3) Player felt compelled to pick up every single green that ever fell (or even had the gall to THINK about touching a green in an Epic – these people can just /sense/ that temptation of the Warlock to touch the Rogue’s boots laying on the floor.)
4) Looting quickly (In Combat or shortly after combat so it wasn’t painfully obvious to all that there wasn’t an enemy anywhere to be found)
5) Looting slowly (Lingering in cleared areas for a second too long)
6) Player stopped moving
7) Player summoned shopkeeper
8) Cleric didn’t heal player in sufficient amount of time
9) Cleric too focused on healing and not helping the fight
10) Player was not rezzed, despite the complete disaster of a mess aforementioned player walked into all on his/her lonesome.
11) Breathed
12) Didn’t breath
13) Was the same class as another player
14) Was a class a player didn’t like
15) Was a class a player liked so much they couldn’t bear to see it played anymore without their heart bursting with joy
16) Was in a different clan as a player
17) Wasn’t in a clan and refused an invite to join
18) Player had mic plugged in with background noise/echo/music/silence/or the screams of other players being crushed yet again by the incessant vote kicking that is of indescribable proportions at this time.
19) Player doesn’t talk
20) Player doesn’t respond
21) Player is in a party
22) Player has an accent
23) Player wasn’t super nice
24) Player had a bad sense of humor
25) Player made too long of a list in the forums about the dire need for some reform on the Vote Kick situation
26) Player had the wrong companion
27) Player attempted Pirate King without a Gear Score of at least 15,000
28) Player was too strong and made others feel bad
29) Player refused to use an injury kit and opted to wait 180 seconds by the fire
30) Player demanded the use of injury kits rather than healing for free by the fire
31) Player didn’t sprint through the end stretch of Pirate King
32) Player did sprint through the end stretch of Pirate King
33) Player attempted to explain in terms of expected value whether or not sprinting was really saving anyone anything because there is always one guy who CANNOT make the run and thus needs rescuing to continue – or must be kicked.
34) Refusing the kick the guy who can’t make the Pirate King sprint.
35) Player runs out of kindness and calls someone an idiot because even if it shaves ~2 minutes on a run when it works, the fact that it fails far more often than it succeeds, you’re still losing time AND gold; seriously, 20 silver + 90 extra seconds of having to rescue Tweedle Dee from the mobs, how is that helping?
36) Player blamed for someone else starting a vote kick (No accountability)
37) Player counter-kicking
38) Player may have thought about kicking, so was vote kicked first
39) Player wanted to play with a friend
40) Player was in a guildmate’s “spot”
41) Player wanted to get his/her girl/boy/SO friend in the game
42) Player felt like being a troll
43) Player wants 5% extra chance to get that purple item before it is rewarded
44) Player lagged
45) Player didn’t connect on first attempt
46) Player’s Xbox froze up during 20 different pretty spells going off all at once
47) Player’s Xbox froze up during the mess that results from springing through that stretch of Pirate King
48) Player fell off the edge to their death like a silly fool.
49) Player made another player fall off by seemingly time their knock back effect to when the TR or was teleporting behind the target, thus causing the Rogue to run over the side of the cliff like Wild E Coyote.
50) Player was not immediately awesome
51) Player couldn’t carry the team
52) Player was in a spot needed for a Cleric
53) Player was in a spot slotted for a Tank
54) Player tried explaining that kicking people for not being what they wanted was THEIR (the kicker’s) problem, not the fault of the Kickee.
55) Player didn’t appreciate lippy players
56) Player wanted revenge because a player with the same character name wasn’t nice once upon a time (If one Legolas was mean, they ALL must be booted!)
57) Player asked a question about game mechanics, the weather, the news, how best to advance, about how to make a build
58) Player asked that players NOT kick each other
59) Player thought antikick ranting crazy person should be kicked because he must surely be kicked for a reason, right?
60) Player is known to Agree to ever “yyyy” vote kick request that they’ve ever got, as if tapping the button swiftly and regularly enough that they may get a piece of candy.
61) Player made the bizarre request to be informed of any wrong doings prior to kick so that they may get better at the game
62) Player didn’t magically and instantly know what was or wasn’t desired of them
63) Player did magically and instantly know what was or wasn’t desired of them and was, therefore, quite obviously a witch that must be kicked
Seriously, it’s game breaking. Good loot rarely falls outside of a delve and heaven forbid a player with ANY blues attempt a T2! More than that, it takes me straight out of the game in the worst way. I don’t get my dungeon delve back when trolls storm in; I don’t even get my loot rolls if they kick me before results are in. I don’t get the experience bonus for completion, however meager it may be, and I don’t complete the mission. It takes my time, it denies me loot, and there is zero accountability. Worse, it is to the point that players – plural, as in not just me – will dart over to the chest and grab whatever they can rather than compare because they COULD get kicked by the Boot ‘n Loot people. It means people will throw themselves on a purple by like a bunch of epileptics dogpiling on a strobing football regardless of combat because any delay might prove to be the millisecond difference between a 1:5 chance of getting loot and being kicked to the Enclave. People actually kick people preemptively because they expect to be kicked. The problem self-perpetuates because no matter where you are, how good you are, or who you’re with, there is about a 90% chance that 2 out of 4 will agree to a kick with “yyyy” in the field. I’ve literally seen people kick their friends because they’re in the habit of kicking so many people when grouped that they automatically assume any kick is their group kicking a random person and vote Yes.
So please, I’m begging you, address this problem. I want to keep playing this game, but I’m one or two hour-long dungeon delves into this kicking game before I leave and never return. The forums seem to show that I’m not the only one. Vote Kicking needs drastic reform. In fact, as much as I’m loathed to forgo a tool that I’ve wished for in the past, removing Vote to Kick would be the best move, along with reducing the idle time before kick in dungeons (or having idleness affect loot rolls, maybe?). At the very least, if I am vote kicked, don’t let my Dungeon Delve bonus disappear. Let it carry over to my next dungeon, please? I’ll still be upset at wasted time because not everyone has all day to play this game, but at least I won’t have to wait ~6 hours of the next dungeon delve to have a solid shot at decent gear.
I realize no one’s going to be weeping at my exit, right? But I’m hardly the only one at their wit’s end with this – and most of them won’t bother writing a 1,500 word essay on the topic, they’ll just silently leave one disappointed night never to return. After all, Elder Scrolls Online comes out soon, and I’d just as soon throw my money at something that hasn’t necessitated my pleading, along to thousands of others, for a fix to a game breaking problem.
(Also, can we please not having the loot mode permanently set to Need/Greed/Uncommon in Epic Dungeons? I’ve been killed by combat looting fiends and I’ve had to pass up loot because I’m wary that the slightest inconvenience to others will get me kicked because I could swear some people have Auto Kick Initiate bound to X.)
I just had a bad day yesterday with Epic layer of lostmouth, It seems some players have it down to a science when to kick as soon as the dragon, (the last boss), goes down. I know this subject is getting beat like a dead horse saying, but man did it really make me consider not playing this game anymore. I got on the forms and read the many topics and threads related to this topic. I see the Mods and Devs are beginning to address this issue and are projecting a fix soon. this has giving me hope, and some incentive to keep playing.
So to get to the point of this post, I want to encourage the speedy fix to this problem by pledging 100 dollars as soon as the fix comes out. A lot of us are coming on the forms asking, yelling, demanding change, But I want to present a different approach. I want to incentive the devs. I really am enjoying this MMO, mainly because I really enjoy The D&D world. To be able to play in D&D world is just imagination brought to the front. I have the Destiny HoW expansion, I have Witcher 3, and ESO is preordered, but I don't want to leave this game, Neverwinter is still a more enjoyable game for me. I don't want some of the player base to ruin this game for me, and I think there are many players out there like me who find this game as fun as I do.
I want like minded players to add your pledges to this thread. If you enjoy the game and want some changes to enjoy it future then lets put our money where are mouth is. Lets show the Devs that its worth making the changes. Make a pledge with the fixes you want. I'll start:
I pledge 100 dollars as soon as a proper fix to the "vote to boot" system is made.
Finally someone spelled out every possible reason to be kicked I think your list is great and it definitely demonstrates the frustration and insanity that is this games current vote kicking system. I mean the list seems ludicrous but 90% of these reasons are reality. It must be fixed. Why should we have to avoid dungeons in a game that is named DUNGEONS and dragons haha
Ok, been watching this vote kick issue since launch. Now I see that there is a guild going by the name "Boot n Loot".... (not sure if this goes against naming and shaming but frankly with a guild name like that I simply don't care). A guild with this name is not only a huge slap in the face to the gamer community here but this is a taunt to the devs themselves. There has been numerous threads on here with great suggestions to fix the problem so please please please address this soon.
Thank you for not fixing this matter! Due to your inaction a very dear guildie, a fine girl, left the game because, after being kicked from dungeon runs countless times (2.3k total item level is too low it seems... but tell me... how can you get higher if you continue to get kicked from dungeons and you have no way of gaining ad?) she got kicked FROM PVP.
That's right, FROM PVP. I'm not talking about xbox, this happened on PC version.
I thought the vote kicking from pvp issue already had a fix! (again, this isn't the kick on disconnect: her team willingly kicked her from the 10 vs 10 match)
You gotta explain why, after more than 2 months from mod6 launch there's still this freaking issue with pvp kicking.
Last night I queued for epic pirate during dungeon delves. Speed ran to Redolent Surgeon, downed him quickly. Immediately saw a vote kick pop, and voted no. “Vote kick succeeded”. Loot window popped – Surgeons Band. Then I saw a loading screen. Lol.
Was running dungeons last night with a friend who just hit 60. We were starting with Cloak Tower and a vote was initiated on my friend but failed. The reason was "gear score is too low" This is Cloak Tower we are talking about not Dread Vault or the other high end ones..... However the vote failed and boom a second vote popped up on another player for same reason. Upon inspecting all players we figured out who it was and removed them. The party was as followed DC 8.2k GF 7.9k HR 8.5k (my buddy) GWF 14.1k (My character) and TR 18.2k (person that kept initiating the votes)
Was running dungeons last night with a friend who just hit 60. We were starting with Cloak Tower and a vote was initiated on my friend but failed. The reason was "gear score is too low" This is Cloak Tower we are talking about not Dread Vault or the other high end ones..... However the vote failed and boom a second vote popped up on another player for same reason. Upon inspecting all players we figured out who it was and removed them. The party was as followed DC 8.2k GF 7.9k HR 8.5k (my buddy) GWF 14.1k (My character) and TR 18.2k (person that kept initiating the votes)
That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard right there. That TR could have solo'd the entire dungeon and probably not taken more than 25% of his health bar down and yet he's initiating kicks...
Ffs stop you incompetents saying that you kick people cause you need a healer or a tank! Im 11.5k gs and i know what i can handle, but most of all i use strategy! I just did dread dam vault normal with some idiots and just the other tr like me knew how to kill the last boss and all the others died but we did it anyway! So please stop being ridiculous and accept that you need a healer or a tank cause you dont really know how to play!
That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard right there. That TR could have solo'd the entire dungeon and probably not taken more than 25% of his health bar down and yet he's initiating kicks...
Exactly, we were all in the same boat (except for those who bought all the gear they are wearing) Ended up running a few more dungeons with the other two randoms that he tried voting out and now they are all at 10k+ GS
That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard right there. That TR could have solo'd the entire dungeon and probably not taken more than 25% of his health bar down and yet he's initiating kicks...
Yeah, I don't like kicking in general, but kicking for low GS in the very first (and easiest) T1 Epic dungeon is just uncalled for. The people who want teammates with higher GS might have a point for the T2.5 stuff (although I still disagree with kicking solely for GS), but Cloak Tower??!?!?! Get out of here with that nonsense. How are people supposed to gear up if they can't even run the T1 dungeons?
I think the most interesting need to boot was this weekends run with a few guild mates. We had a GF, DC, TR that were in the guild, we picked up a HR and another TR. I said in game chat we were good with the 2nd TR as lang had the non guild TR was good with it and that we were not looting greens outside of stones and crafting supplies. The other non guild guys said they were good with this so we started the run and from the work go the HR looted EVERYTHING. We reminded the HR of what we said on looting greens abd he told us to screw ourselves before we even got to the first boss. Boot goes the HR. The new guy was a GWF and we let him know the loot info and he wa good with it. All went well till we got to the campfire before the final boss. Just before we go in the non guild TR starts a vote to boot our guild TR. You can imagine the the outcome on this, funny enough it was the GWF that started the vote to boot the offending TR and he even told him that we were nice enough to let him run with us from the start so why be a HAMSTER now ? The non guld TR just grumbled that he needed the TR gear more than our guild member. Needless to say he got the boot. Now we make a point to try and communicate with players who are not in the guild when we have space and none of us are opposed to having a duplicte class in the group, just remember to read the guild tags so you know who your dealing with before trying to kick people.
We had a run where four of us were in a guild and we had a PUG DC. One of my guildies had to drop, so we waited for another PUG. The first one that pops in is a DC and we all said we were cool with running with two DCs. Well, the new DC initiated a VTK almost immediately. Rather than immediately kick the guy, we invited him to party and asked why he did that. His answer, unfortunately, was understandable considering the current VTK abuse. He said he was just trying to survive and that he saw three of us were in a guild (kick proof) and figured one of the PUG DCs was getting kicked, so he started the VTK on the other guy before he himself got the boot.
Sad, right? That's where we are now. Otherwise decent people, who wouldn't normally kick for silly reasons, are all but forced to abuse the system like the problem people if they want to be able to run dungeons. I'm glad Cryptic is fixing it, but said fix can't come quickly enough...
I just ran temple of the spider. We beat the last boss and right as he dies the one rogue votes to kick the other rogue. I vote no but sure enough he was kicked. Then another pops up and I also vote no, but he was kicked anyway. I can not tell you how bad I felt for those 2 guys who got kicked. They didn't even get a chance to see what dropped from the boss. I have not ran a dungeon in over a week and this is what I come back to. I felt more bad than if it were me being kicked. Sad face
At least we know there are players out there that hate the fact this VTK is being abused. The second dungeon I ran with my buddy and two randoms we had a random quit just before the final boss because he wasn't winning anything from any of the loot rolls except for some enchantments. As soon as the next guy came in (GWF) he tried kicking me out. Reason put was "Same class trying to take my loot" We decided to let him stay for the boss seeing how the gear I currently have is T2 so the T1 gear was useless to my character.
For the sake of my health i now avoid doing dungeons. For those of us whom are not clerics or tanks and dont have guildies, i suggest doing the same until its fixed.
Sad that we are left with no choice but to avoid dungeons which is a massive part of this game. If you are not doing dungeons might as well quit the game period I mean what is the point anymore. I am sure they have lost a lot of players already I mean all it takes is the fifth or so time of getting the booted at the end boss to really just sour this game completely or the 45 min spent trying to join a dungeon in the first place because you are constantly kicked as soon as you join lol. What is there left to do kill venfithar 100 times a day and stack up the draconic enchants haha cause I have killed over 700 dragons and never seen a rod of imperial restraint its drop chance must be less than zero haha. I am currently stuck at my gear score of 13.7k because I can never get in castle never without being voted instantly same with lostmauth epic. UGGGHH is all there is left to say.
We had a run where four of us were in a guild and we had a PUG DC. One of my guildies had to drop, so we waited for another PUG. The first one that pops in is a DC and we all said we were cool with running with two DCs. Well, the new DC initiated a VTK almost immediately. Rather than immediately kick the guy, we invited him to party and asked why he did that. His answer, unfortunately, was understandable considering the current VTK abuse. He said he was just trying to survive and that he saw three of us were in a guild (kick proof) and figured one of the PUG DCs was getting kicked, so he started the VTK on the other guy before he himself got the boot.
Sad, right? That's where we are now. Otherwise decent people, who wouldn't normally kick for silly reasons, are all but forced to abuse the system like the problem people if they want to be able to run dungeons. I'm glad Cryptic is fixing it, but said fix can't come quickly enough...
It is very, very sad.. I couldn't agree more, the fix is more than overdue.
I've joined a dungeon where literally the first thing that popped up in chat was one guy saying "Please don't kick me, I'll pass on all loot, I just need the chest at the end". That in itself just shows what a sad place we're at right now with the game, but of course you might know it, within 30 seconds someone initiated the VTK with the message "Zzzzz". I voted 'no', he gets kicked anyway. I actually felt so sorry for the guy so I just left the group anyway... I can't run with ppl like that (It'd probably be me getting the boot next for all I know).
I just wish I'd actually noted the guys name, just to help him through some dungeons afterwards, because that kinda played on my mind for a while. Just awful human behaviour.
It is very, very sad.. I couldn't agree more, the fix is more than overdue.
I've joined a dungeon where literally the first thing that popped up in chat was one guy saying "Please don't kick me, I'll pass on all loot, I just need the chest at the end". That in itself just shows what a sad place we're at right now with the game, but of course you might know it, within 30 seconds someone initiated the VTK with the message "Zzzzz". I voted 'no', he gets kicked anyway. I actually felt so sorry for the guy so I just left the group anyway... I can't run with ppl like that (It'd probably be me getting the boot next for all I know).
I just wish I'd actually noted the guys name, just to help him through some dungeons afterwards, because that kinda played on my mind for a while. Just awful human behaviour.
I totally understand. I was running some dungeons with a few guys I met a few days ago, we run together to avoid the kicking fiasco whenever we can, but when we grouped up, one guy told me he'd been playing earlier and rarely enough, in 2 dungeons 2 greater marks had dropped and he found himself kicked before being able to roll on them. He was pretty angry about it but we continued on our runs. Lo and behold, we are running and another greater mark drops. we had vote majority so we immediately kicked everyone else out. We haven't ever done it before but we were sick of it being done to us. I didn't like doing it, I felt dirty afterwards. I will never do it again. But getting that taste of the dark side, the clear and simple abuse of power, I don't understand how people can do it on a regular basis. That is my confession, and I am sorry for what I have done.
is VTK basically a social experiment to see how quickly people's behavior will become Lord of the Flies?
I'm not even doing my daily dungeon anymore, and I don't see the point in trying the level 60+ dungeons--I'm a GS9000 SW. Sounds like I'll get kicked all the time, even though I think I do okay in dungeon and skirmish runs, usually good on crowd control and always first or second on healing (often beating DC.)
I hate to say it, but I pre-ordered ESO, I've been neglecting World of Tanks, and while I have enjoyed this game and think the economics are really neat, I don't see how I'll keep playing this after I finish the campaign. Maybe ESO will be a train wreck, but I hope this game gets improved enough that I would play the dungeons.
I'd suggest create a player stat that shows how often someone initiates VTK per dungeon/skirmish played, as well as how often they vote yes on VTK. Do NOT include how often someone gets kicked, because that will create a stigma that may not hold truth to the player. Letting players filter their queue preference by someone's VTK stats would ensure that the passive players will be put together, and the VTK abusers and heavy users will wind up together. Which is what should happen--sheep with sheep and wolves with wolves.
I think I can top all of your vote kick abuse stories. This one goes back to the 2nd week this game was on Xbox1. I had just finished gearing up my HR from Crypts and Tower and had queued up for Wolf Den to finally go for my main hand. Well when I get in there there were 3 people from one guild and they were sitting at the rocks in the water, pretty much right at the start of the dungeon. I run up to them, thinking they were just waiting for me and the other random to join them and a vote kick came up for the random. The reason given was "downs syndrome". He got booted, then a few seconds later I was booted.
Pissed off, I queued back up and ended up in the same group and got kicked. This happened about 10 times before I was put into a fresh group, all of us unguilded. I typed in chat that I was just kicked like 10 times from some guild run and told them the name and apparently everyone in the run had been kicked by the same group. (go figure)
We set out to complete the dungeon, which took us about 2 hours as we had some tough spots since all of us were not that geared yet to blow through it. I looted the chest and didn't get my bow which upset me after that whole 10 kick fiasco. The group disbands and I requeue, and guess what, I was put back into the same group of 3 people that were kicking people out of Wolf Den. They were sitting in the same spots and everything. I mean wtf? They sat there for over 2 hours doing absolutely nothing but vote kicking people from the dungeon.
I finally ended up in another run that was at the 1st boss and we complete the dungeon in a little over 1 hour. No bow, group disbands, and I requeue.
Yup, you guessed it, I was put in that 3 person group again. So now it's roughly 4+ hours that they have been sitting there and kicking people. At this point I gave up and just shut the game off and seriously contemplated deleting it from my Xbox. I mean how can you have no life to sit there for hours on end in a dungeon and do nothing but kick people trying to play the game? I was just beyond amazed at how horrible the Xbox community is to where we have people that would do that.
I just want it were they cant kick you at the end i was in the epic shores and killed the boss and what drops a artifact belt and then i got kicked first time ive seen a belt drop its bull HAMSTER it almost made me stop playing this game
Nothing has been done, not so much a rough E.t.a and since the PC has had the problem for years it looks rather unlikely they are going to start now......
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Can I get a comprehensive list of what I have to do to not get kicked from a dungeon? I mean, there’s a delve only a couple times a day and RNGesus isn’t giving me anything /outside/ of delves despite my efforts, but even clearing Pirate King without a round of kicks is cause for celebration at this point.
I keep believing that this is going to be fixed, yet each week my characters get stunted because I can’t stomach more than a few kicks in a row without turning into the polar opposite of Mr. Rogers, raving and hurling things like Bobby Knight.
Reasons I have encountered or heard of:
1) Player went too far ahead (as little as 50ft or as little as two weak enemies left before advancing)
2) Player was too far behind (as little as ~80 feet or running around picking up copper in Epics)
3) Player felt compelled to pick up every single green that ever fell (or even had the gall to THINK about touching a green in an Epic – these people can just /sense/ that temptation of the Warlock to touch the Rogue’s boots laying on the floor.)
4) Looting quickly (In Combat or shortly after combat so it wasn’t painfully obvious to all that there wasn’t an enemy anywhere to be found)
5) Looting slowly (Lingering in cleared areas for a second too long)
6) Player stopped moving
7) Player summoned shopkeeper
8) Cleric didn’t heal player in sufficient amount of time
9) Cleric too focused on healing and not helping the fight
10) Player was not rezzed, despite the complete disaster of a mess aforementioned player walked into all on his/her lonesome.
11) Breathed
12) Didn’t breath
13) Was the same class as another player
14) Was a class a player didn’t like
15) Was a class a player liked so much they couldn’t bear to see it played anymore without their heart bursting with joy
16) Was in a different clan as a player
17) Wasn’t in a clan and refused an invite to join
18) Player had mic plugged in with background noise/echo/music/silence/or the screams of other players being crushed yet again by the incessant vote kicking that is of indescribable proportions at this time.
19) Player doesn’t talk
20) Player doesn’t respond
21) Player is in a party
22) Player has an accent
23) Player wasn’t super nice
24) Player had a bad sense of humor
25) Player made too long of a list in the forums about the dire need for some reform on the Vote Kick situation
26) Player had the wrong companion
27) Player attempted Pirate King without a Gear Score of at least 15,000
28) Player was too strong and made others feel bad
29) Player refused to use an injury kit and opted to wait 180 seconds by the fire
30) Player demanded the use of injury kits rather than healing for free by the fire
31) Player didn’t sprint through the end stretch of Pirate King
32) Player did sprint through the end stretch of Pirate King
33) Player attempted to explain in terms of expected value whether or not sprinting was really saving anyone anything because there is always one guy who CANNOT make the run and thus needs rescuing to continue – or must be kicked.
34) Refusing the kick the guy who can’t make the Pirate King sprint.
35) Player runs out of kindness and calls someone an idiot because even if it shaves ~2 minutes on a run when it works, the fact that it fails far more often than it succeeds, you’re still losing time AND gold; seriously, 20 silver + 90 extra seconds of having to rescue Tweedle Dee from the mobs, how is that helping?
36) Player blamed for someone else starting a vote kick (No accountability)
37) Player counter-kicking
38) Player may have thought about kicking, so was vote kicked first
39) Player wanted to play with a friend
40) Player was in a guildmate’s “spot”
41) Player wanted to get his/her girl/boy/SO friend in the game
42) Player felt like being a troll
43) Player wants 5% extra chance to get that purple item before it is rewarded
44) Player lagged
45) Player didn’t connect on first attempt
46) Player’s Xbox froze up during 20 different pretty spells going off all at once
47) Player’s Xbox froze up during the mess that results from springing through that stretch of Pirate King
48) Player fell off the edge to their death like a silly fool.
49) Player made another player fall off by seemingly time their knock back effect to when the TR or was teleporting behind the target, thus causing the Rogue to run over the side of the cliff like Wild E Coyote.
50) Player was not immediately awesome
51) Player couldn’t carry the team
52) Player was in a spot needed for a Cleric
53) Player was in a spot slotted for a Tank
54) Player tried explaining that kicking people for not being what they wanted was THEIR (the kicker’s) problem, not the fault of the Kickee.
55) Player didn’t appreciate lippy players
56) Player wanted revenge because a player with the same character name wasn’t nice once upon a time (If one Legolas was mean, they ALL must be booted!)
57) Player asked a question about game mechanics, the weather, the news, how best to advance, about how to make a build
58) Player asked that players NOT kick each other
59) Player thought antikick ranting crazy person should be kicked because he must surely be kicked for a reason, right?
60) Player is known to Agree to ever “yyyy” vote kick request that they’ve ever got, as if tapping the button swiftly and regularly enough that they may get a piece of candy.
61) Player made the bizarre request to be informed of any wrong doings prior to kick so that they may get better at the game
62) Player didn’t magically and instantly know what was or wasn’t desired of them
63) Player did magically and instantly know what was or wasn’t desired of them and was, therefore, quite obviously a witch that must be kicked
Seriously, it’s game breaking. Good loot rarely falls outside of a delve and heaven forbid a player with ANY blues attempt a T2! More than that, it takes me straight out of the game in the worst way. I don’t get my dungeon delve back when trolls storm in; I don’t even get my loot rolls if they kick me before results are in. I don’t get the experience bonus for completion, however meager it may be, and I don’t complete the mission. It takes my time, it denies me loot, and there is zero accountability. Worse, it is to the point that players – plural, as in not just me – will dart over to the chest and grab whatever they can rather than compare because they COULD get kicked by the Boot ‘n Loot people. It means people will throw themselves on a purple by like a bunch of epileptics dogpiling on a strobing football regardless of combat because any delay might prove to be the millisecond difference between a 1:5 chance of getting loot and being kicked to the Enclave. People actually kick people preemptively because they expect to be kicked. The problem self-perpetuates because no matter where you are, how good you are, or who you’re with, there is about a 90% chance that 2 out of 4 will agree to a kick with “yyyy” in the field. I’ve literally seen people kick their friends because they’re in the habit of kicking so many people when grouped that they automatically assume any kick is their group kicking a random person and vote Yes.
So please, I’m begging you, address this problem. I want to keep playing this game, but I’m one or two hour-long dungeon delves into this kicking game before I leave and never return. The forums seem to show that I’m not the only one. Vote Kicking needs drastic reform. In fact, as much as I’m loathed to forgo a tool that I’ve wished for in the past, removing Vote to Kick would be the best move, along with reducing the idle time before kick in dungeons (or having idleness affect loot rolls, maybe?). At the very least, if I am vote kicked, don’t let my Dungeon Delve bonus disappear. Let it carry over to my next dungeon, please? I’ll still be upset at wasted time because not everyone has all day to play this game, but at least I won’t have to wait ~6 hours of the next dungeon delve to have a solid shot at decent gear.
I realize no one’s going to be weeping at my exit, right? But I’m hardly the only one at their wit’s end with this – and most of them won’t bother writing a 1,500 word essay on the topic, they’ll just silently leave one disappointed night never to return. After all, Elder Scrolls Online comes out soon, and I’d just as soon throw my money at something that hasn’t necessitated my pleading, along to thousands of others, for a fix to a game breaking problem.
(Also, can we please not having the loot mode permanently set to Need/Greed/Uncommon in Epic Dungeons? I’ve been killed by combat looting fiends and I’ve had to pass up loot because I’m wary that the slightest inconvenience to others will get me kicked because I could swear some people have Auto Kick Initiate bound to X.)
I just had a bad day yesterday with Epic layer of lostmouth, It seems some players have it down to a science when to kick as soon as the dragon, (the last boss), goes down. I know this subject is getting beat like a dead horse saying, but man did it really make me consider not playing this game anymore. I got on the forms and read the many topics and threads related to this topic. I see the Mods and Devs are beginning to address this issue and are projecting a fix soon. this has giving me hope, and some incentive to keep playing.
So to get to the point of this post, I want to encourage the speedy fix to this problem by pledging 100 dollars as soon as the fix comes out. A lot of us are coming on the forms asking, yelling, demanding change, But I want to present a different approach. I want to incentive the devs. I really am enjoying this MMO, mainly because I really enjoy The D&D world. To be able to play in D&D world is just imagination brought to the front. I have the Destiny HoW expansion, I have Witcher 3, and ESO is preordered, but I don't want to leave this game, Neverwinter is still a more enjoyable game for me. I don't want some of the player base to ruin this game for me, and I think there are many players out there like me who find this game as fun as I do.
I want like minded players to add your pledges to this thread. If you enjoy the game and want some changes to enjoy it future then lets put our money where are mouth is. Lets show the Devs that its worth making the changes. Make a pledge with the fixes you want. I'll start:
I pledge 100 dollars as soon as a proper fix to the "vote to boot" system is made.
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That's right, FROM PVP. I'm not talking about xbox, this happened on PC version.
I thought the vote kicking from pvp issue already had a fix! (again, this isn't the kick on disconnect: her team willingly kicked her from the 10 vs 10 match)
You gotta explain why, after more than 2 months from mod6 launch there's still this freaking issue with pvp kicking.
Booted for a Surgeons Band.
New low?
That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard right there. That TR could have solo'd the entire dungeon and probably not taken more than 25% of his health bar down and yet he's initiating kicks...
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Exactly, we were all in the same boat (except for those who bought all the gear they are wearing) Ended up running a few more dungeons with the other two randoms that he tried voting out and now they are all at 10k+ GS
Sad, right? That's where we are now. Otherwise decent people, who wouldn't normally kick for silly reasons, are all but forced to abuse the system like the problem people if they want to be able to run dungeons. I'm glad Cryptic is fixing it, but said fix can't come quickly enough...
It is very, very sad.. I couldn't agree more, the fix is more than overdue.
I've joined a dungeon where literally the first thing that popped up in chat was one guy saying "Please don't kick me, I'll pass on all loot, I just need the chest at the end". That in itself just shows what a sad place we're at right now with the game, but of course you might know it, within 30 seconds someone initiated the VTK with the message "Zzzzz". I voted 'no', he gets kicked anyway. I actually felt so sorry for the guy so I just left the group anyway... I can't run with ppl like that (It'd probably be me getting the boot next for all I know).
I just wish I'd actually noted the guys name, just to help him through some dungeons afterwards, because that kinda played on my mind for a while. Just awful human behaviour.
I totally understand. I was running some dungeons with a few guys I met a few days ago, we run together to avoid the kicking fiasco whenever we can, but when we grouped up, one guy told me he'd been playing earlier and rarely enough, in 2 dungeons 2 greater marks had dropped and he found himself kicked before being able to roll on them. He was pretty angry about it but we continued on our runs. Lo and behold, we are running and another greater mark drops. we had vote majority so we immediately kicked everyone else out. We haven't ever done it before but we were sick of it being done to us. I didn't like doing it, I felt dirty afterwards. I will never do it again. But getting that taste of the dark side, the clear and simple abuse of power, I don't understand how people can do it on a regular basis. That is my confession, and I am sorry for what I have done.
I'm not even doing my daily dungeon anymore, and I don't see the point in trying the level 60+ dungeons--I'm a GS9000 SW. Sounds like I'll get kicked all the time, even though I think I do okay in dungeon and skirmish runs, usually good on crowd control and always first or second on healing (often beating DC.)
I hate to say it, but I pre-ordered ESO, I've been neglecting World of Tanks, and while I have enjoyed this game and think the economics are really neat, I don't see how I'll keep playing this after I finish the campaign. Maybe ESO will be a train wreck, but I hope this game gets improved enough that I would play the dungeons.
I'd suggest create a player stat that shows how often someone initiates VTK per dungeon/skirmish played, as well as how often they vote yes on VTK. Do NOT include how often someone gets kicked, because that will create a stigma that may not hold truth to the player. Letting players filter their queue preference by someone's VTK stats would ensure that the passive players will be put together, and the VTK abusers and heavy users will wind up together. Which is what should happen--sheep with sheep and wolves with wolves.
Pissed off, I queued back up and ended up in the same group and got kicked. This happened about 10 times before I was put into a fresh group, all of us unguilded. I typed in chat that I was just kicked like 10 times from some guild run and told them the name and apparently everyone in the run had been kicked by the same group. (go figure)
We set out to complete the dungeon, which took us about 2 hours as we had some tough spots since all of us were not that geared yet to blow through it. I looted the chest and didn't get my bow which upset me after that whole 10 kick fiasco. The group disbands and I requeue, and guess what, I was put back into the same group of 3 people that were kicking people out of Wolf Den. They were sitting in the same spots and everything. I mean wtf? They sat there for over 2 hours doing absolutely nothing but vote kicking people from the dungeon.
I finally ended up in another run that was at the 1st boss and we complete the dungeon in a little over 1 hour. No bow, group disbands, and I requeue.
Yup, you guessed it, I was put in that 3 person group again. So now it's roughly 4+ hours that they have been sitting there and kicking people. At this point I gave up and just shut the game off and seriously contemplated deleting it from my Xbox. I mean how can you have no life to sit there for hours on end in a dungeon and do nothing but kick people trying to play the game? I was just beyond amazed at how horrible the Xbox community is to where we have people that would do that.
Mumble Mumble mumble.... maybe... anything can be said. If its still a problem with the pc then xbox is mur. They already said they focus on pc first