For 3 modules TRs have been the underdog every other class **** on, remember the roar bugs? remmeber in mod4 TRs cldnt even throw a dagger at HR? They are driven to use perma build because of the mass whines (when this game had way more players) pre mod1 LA lashing one shot madness.
All this class needed was a overal all dmg buff from mod4 nothing more, not even piercing dmg. This is a striker class and suppose to have the highest single target burst. The problem is, not many high end TRs left in this game for DEV to have a true insight and feedback from, you assigned class advocate and I havent heard a single word or any act from this guy, all you get is the forum qqs from other classes where they are so used to this previously gimped circle runner.
Instead of making minor adjustment at a time and testing with players, both new/high end players, you went ahead and changed this class completely through the stealth rework, very ill considerate in my book. It's an insult to ppl who spent a lot of money to build around this wonder machanic, I dont see the point advancing it further. If you change a certain class/nerf/buff based on forum qqers only because "they dont like it" then perhaps you need professional game testers to begin with.
Stealth is a very unique feature for TR, it's the only reliable form of defense they have, if you make them visible for 2 second on hit it's like making other classes vulnerable for 2 second everytime they hit? You cant expect every class to be the same because "I cant do it so why shld you".
TL;DR TR needed a bit of overall dmg buff thats all, the initial stealth rework was already uncalled for, this 2sec visible on hit idea needs to go but nerf the currecnt TR dmg even more, and remove 100% crit chance in stealth. For further advanced feedback about mod5 in general, please refer to this thread: State of Module 5 PvP “ELO” and Class Balance
So ofc tr's can lose now and can still beat people. But just to put you trs are ease. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDcC_MGk3k&feature=youtu.be
This is versus a hr. Smoke bomb still ****s with gf, tr's can still kill just about every class still. So i am confused at what the problem is now. Someone needs to tell me what they want tr's to do.
godmode i dont wanna talk trash to u. but u irish bro.
trs was underpower for nearly 1.5 year noone was playing tr. i swear im online everyday min 7 8 hour and i know ALLL tr ingame there is really noone who play tr right now even now noone play because its so <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> hard to play tr as a tricky and counter.
actually we deserve to get a huge buff and take some fun from game but ppl cry so much all time about trs really dont know why:(((
these ppl who use all encounter on me while i have itc on or just dodge all of their encounters )) ofc u guyz cant kill me
instead of qq u have to learn guyz how to play these forum heros making us always drop drop drop....
i can clean all of these players on forum in 10 sec i also was cleaning in m3 m4 m2
because i was always know how to play my class same like sicarius
my personal opinion was to 2v1 always on home base tr and fight on mid and make it mid game but yeaaaaa ofc ALL TR CANT BE SAME SKILL EXPECIALLY CLASS NAME IS TRICKSTER ROGUE IS ALOT MORE HIGHER SKILL CAP THEN OTHER CLASS
there is just 2 3 tr can do what i do because we are the one who play the tr even trs was 000000
now u guyz tell nerf tr because these <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> GODS **** US=:??:) ofc we will guyz im sorry but in life everything is mutual
about new changes on tr. i will still beat all players who come to node even if u nerf more i will keep clean because they are not in my skill cap but if u see these videos and talk about general on trs its lame on your side.
yea new changes are awsome and alot more hard to play tr but im deal with it still
but i really wish to not get these nerf instead of it just u had to nerf bb and se
i just talk u guyz shouldnt make these stuff GENERAL BECAUSE OF 1 2 TR CAN DO THAT.
yes if u wanna know im the BOSS i never leave node i never bleed i can dodge like a god all of your encounter i can daily like a god i can itc all your daily and counter all i use all my at wills like a god... because i used all of them since 1.5 year and in really really hard positions while we were irish ppl with our dps soo now ofc i will one shot everyone because im sooo used to and soo easy to move
YEA u pug say and we loose?:D:D:D if devs listen u pugs and make it happen f..k the devs also
when were tr's ever the weakest? through out most of the mods you had the strongest defensive mechanism. Except for mod3 hr. You are saying that trs still need a buff? ok man ok whatever.
Lol what? Unstoppable was already sacrificed 3 times: nerf to DR, nerf to duration, nerf to determination gain. And you cry about 2s reveal that only applies to the one person YOU attack?
when were tr's ever the weakest? through out most of the mods you had the strongest defensive mechanism. Except for mod3 hr. You are saying that trs still need a buff? ok man ok whatever.
trs was always week on the node against some classes we are ENEMY NODE HOLDER so practiclyy we have to be able to beat all classes 1v1 to hold it yea?
and hw the *** u can talk in tr's side while u just play in your life gf?
u pugs just cry on forum ALOTTTT and these ((CLEAVER)) DEVS LISTEN U PUGS ALOT
Lol what? Unstoppable was already sacrificed 3 times: nerf to DR, nerf to duration, nerf to determination gain. And you cry about 2s reveal that only applies to the one person YOU attack?
yea lets do that people you strike while you are in unstoppable ignore your dr for 2 seconds, fair enough
Lol. You PUG CANNOT play without stealth. What more to say?
You so f *** scared to lose your cheese mod and keep crying and crying and crying. make me lmao harder please)
i can <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> **** u without even go stealth small pug. i dont even know who the *** u are. just give out your name ingame
crollax you seem to have the impression that no other class should have a chance against a rogue 1v1, well except maybe another rogue...
You talk about things from the PAST, we are talking about in the PRESENT, i remember rogues 3 impact shotting cw's on mod0, so ****ing what ?
crollax you seem to have the impression that no other class should have a chance against a rogue 1v1, well except maybe another rogue...
You talk about things from the PAST, we are talking about in the PRESENT, i remember rogues 3 impact shotting cw's on mod0, so ****ing what ?
yes i dont know or care mod1 i start this game in begging of mod2 and i just say what i seen m2 m3 m4 always we had counter class on node and so far if there is a more pwoerful class then us on 1v1 we will never be able to take fun from game because we will never be able to fight they will just put that class on node and easy peasy
Who u think can hold enemy node better then tr??????????????????????????????
Nooneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
and what u need to hold enemy node in pre vs pre (if u have ever made) u need survive and if u dont have it u need to at least beat any class on 1v1 to hold it and pull 2 on u
and hold 2 so far there is 2 on me i cant show my dps because i have to stand ind dfansive mode alot to dont get die thats how it suppose to be.
yes i dont know or care mod1 i start this game in begging of mod2 and i just say what i seen m2 m3 m4 always we had counter class on node and so far if there is a more pwoerful class then us on 1v1 we will never be able to take fun from game because we will never be able to fight they will just put that class on node and easy peasy
mod2 tr's we ok, mod3 and 4 were somewhat weak and needed a small buff, i am not saying a tr should lose 1v1 against a specifik class 100%, but ALL classes, including dps dc's now, should have a CHANCE against rogues 1v1, dosen't meant the rogue will allways lose, infact the good ones will still win.
As it is now there is no counter for a rogue 1v1 except another rogue, or send 2v1 on node and HOPE for the best, it's exactly what you describe it will happen to rogues, except its happening on all other classes now.
i really cant arguee with all of these HATERS i dont care what u say what u think write if u want tons of topic and nerf as much as u want tr. its done for me
and while all of these happen we were trying to land our stupid no damage hardest atwill in game duelist flurry to u guyz realy?????
when gf could clear people during that reflection period it was clear it was overpowered, it wasn't ok to be that defensive and still do that amount of dmg. So the tuning down was good. You saying that you shouldn't be able to lose to any 1v1 and should be able to win 1v2s is evident for you not wanted balance. A lot of people including myself advocated for trs getting more damage, but not piercing damage. You are raging for no reason. Your reasoning is flawed. You do not want balance and you want to be overpowered. Tr's have never ever been the weakest in any mod. Even mod4 which was arguable their weakest mod was fixed when gf reflection got nerfed. DC's were the weakest mod4 and tr's were still the go to class for node holding. Still about the second if not first most important class. Ya i speak as a gf but so what? i have recording a lot of people fighting each other and watch it, or i watch my fights. You tr's can not be trust because you think balance for tr's is being able to beat every other class in a 1v2.
when gf could clear people during that reflection period it was clear it was overpowered, it was ok to be that defensive and still do that amount of dmg. So the tuning down was good. You saying that you shouldn't be able to lose to any 1v1 and should be able to win 1v2s is evident for you not wanted balance. A lot of people including myself advocated for trs getting more damage, but not piercing damage. You are raging for no reason. Your reasoning is flawed. You do not want balance or want to be overpowered. Tr's have never ever been the weakest in any mod. Even mod4 which was arguable their weakest mod was fixed when gf reflection got nerfed. DC's were the weakest mod4 and tr's were still the go to class for node holding. Still about the second if not first most important class. Ya i speak as a gf but so what? i have recording a lot of people fighting each other and watch it, or i watch my fights. You tr's can not be trust because you think balance for tr's is being able to beat every other class in a 1v2.
I could take a few damage nerfs, but I can't live without stealth..
Holding back cap in mod 4 didn't exist, the only thing tr was there for was to make through node 2 alive
Also just an fyi to anyone, I don't take video evidence from anyone primarily because skill and situation is highly subjective
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it reveals all rogues
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Only problem is TRs who want to 2v1 and still win. Which is unfair.
ALTHO, TRs did not even need a buff mod5, they only needed glyphs in profound gear and they would be in a great spot.
All this class needed was a overal all dmg buff from mod4 nothing more, not even piercing dmg. This is a striker class and suppose to have the highest single target burst. The problem is, not many high end TRs left in this game for DEV to have a true insight and feedback from, you assigned class advocate and I havent heard a single word or any act from this guy, all you get is the forum qqs from other classes where they are so used to this previously gimped circle runner.
Instead of making minor adjustment at a time and testing with players, both new/high end players, you went ahead and changed this class completely through the stealth rework, very ill considerate in my book. It's an insult to ppl who spent a lot of money to build around this wonder machanic, I dont see the point advancing it further. If you change a certain class/nerf/buff based on forum qqers only because "they dont like it" then perhaps you need professional game testers to begin with.
Stealth is a very unique feature for TR, it's the only reliable form of defense they have, if you make them visible for 2 second on hit it's like making other classes vulnerable for 2 second everytime they hit? You cant expect every class to be the same because "I cant do it so why shld you".
TL;DR
TR needed a bit of overall dmg buff thats all, the initial stealth rework was already uncalled for, this 2sec visible on hit idea needs to go but nerf the currecnt TR dmg even more, and remove 100% crit chance in stealth. For further advanced feedback about mod5 in general, please refer to this thread: State of Module 5 PvP “ELO” and Class Balance
godmode i dont wanna talk trash to u. but u irish bro.
actually we deserve to get a huge buff and take some fun from game but ppl cry so much all time about trs really dont know why:(((
these ppl who use all encounter on me while i have itc on or just dodge all of their encounters
instead of qq u have to learn guyz how to play these forum heros making us always drop drop drop....
i can clean all of these players on forum in 10 sec i also was cleaning in m3 m4 m2
because i was always know how to play my class same like sicarius
my personal opinion was to 2v1 always on home base tr and fight on mid and make it mid game but yeaaaaa ofc ALL TR CANT BE SAME SKILL EXPECIALLY CLASS NAME IS TRICKSTER ROGUE IS ALOT MORE HIGHER SKILL CAP THEN OTHER CLASS
there is just 2 3 tr can do what i do because we are the one who play the tr even trs was 000000
now u guyz tell nerf tr because these <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> GODS **** US=:??:) ofc we will guyz im sorry but in life everything is mutual
yea new changes are awsome and alot more hard to play tr but im deal with it still
but i really wish to not get these nerf instead of it just u had to nerf bb and se
yes if u wanna know im the BOSS i never leave node i never bleed i can dodge like a god all of your encounter i can daily like a god i can itc all your daily and counter all i use all my at wills like a god... because i used all of them since 1.5 year and in really really hard positions while we were irish ppl with our dps soo now ofc i will one shot everyone because im sooo used to and soo easy to move
these are my videos from high end pvp game u can watch them and see whats going on and these are highlights there is few more easy game absolute and inhouse i didnt put them on highlight but u can see on Past Broadcasts all my videos
http://www.twitch.tv/crollax/c/5651535
http://www.twitch.tv/crollax/c/5651503
http://www.twitch.tv/crollax/c/5645541
one day you will sacrifice unstoppable to attack
YEA u pug say and we loose?:D:D:D if devs listen u pugs and make it happen f..k the devs also
How do u gain AP so fast ?
Lol what? Unstoppable was already sacrificed 3 times: nerf to DR, nerf to duration, nerf to determination gain. And you cry about 2s reveal that only applies to the one person YOU attack?
trs was always week on the node against some classes we are ENEMY NODE HOLDER so practiclyy we have to be able to beat all classes 1v1 to hold it yea?
and hw the *** u can talk in tr's side while u just play in your life gf?
u pugs just cry on forum ALOTTTT and these ((CLEAVER)) DEVS LISTEN U PUGS ALOT
i remember 30k take down gwf
one shot cws
untouchable <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> hrs (long time)
unfinished gf daily
and while all of these happen we were trying to land our stupid no damage hardest atwill in game duelist flurry to u guyz realy?????
if anyclass be able to clean tr in 1v1 there is no hope for any tr in any time instead of hide on node again like old time
yea lets do that people you strike while you are in unstoppable ignore your dr for 2 seconds, fair enough
i can <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> **** u without even go stealth small pug. i dont even know who the *** u are. just give out your name ingame
You talk about things from the PAST, we are talking about in the PRESENT, i remember rogues 3 impact shotting cw's on mod0, so ****ing what ?
crollax@crollax add me ingame live or ptr come and offer 1v1 i will not go stealth and *** u even tho easy
yes i dont know or care mod1 i start this game in begging of mod2 and i just say what i seen m2 m3 m4 always we had counter class on node and so far if there is a more pwoerful class then us on 1v1 we will never be able to take fun from game because we will never be able to fight they will just put that class on node and easy peasy
Nooneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
and what u need to hold enemy node in pre vs pre (if u have ever made) u need survive and if u dont have it u need to at least beat any class on 1v1 to hold it and pull 2 on u
and hold 2 so far there is 2 on me i cant show my dps because i have to stand ind dfansive mode alot to dont get die thats how it suppose to be.
its boring as fukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk and tons of scrub tr can do that easy
mod2 tr's we ok, mod3 and 4 were somewhat weak and needed a small buff, i am not saying a tr should lose 1v1 against a specifik class 100%, but ALL classes, including dps dc's now, should have a CHANCE against rogues 1v1, dosen't meant the rogue will allways lose, infact the good ones will still win.
As it is now there is no counter for a rogue 1v1 except another rogue, or send 2v1 on node and HOPE for the best, it's exactly what you describe it will happen to rogues, except its happening on all other classes now.
see u ingame
DO U KNOW WHAT IS ROGUE? IF U DONT LIKE STEALTH GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME WHICH THERE IS NO ROGUE
I could take a few damage nerfs, but I can't live without stealth..
Holding back cap in mod 4 didn't exist, the only thing tr was there for was to make through node 2 alive
Also just an fyi to anyone, I don't take video evidence from anyone primarily because skill and situation is highly subjective