with hb fury, i confirm you can solo drake pen, bigrim and co easily with a 2500gs.
I'll do some test with my 2800gs warlock with SB fury but under 3k, i'm not sure of reusut for survavibilty.
I think hb fury is great for solo content and survability overall.
Note aside, i have a noob question concerning rotation...
It's probably gona make laught some of you but i never really used fiery bolt before yesterday xD...
I was using dread theft instead, the difference in dps is just insane in adds clearing in CN for example.
Because i don't know if the numbers are broken but sometimes it's show ridiculously low dps numbers with fiery bolt, but final score tell a different story...
( same with gate and killing flames, sometimes insane numbers sometimes, very low)
Would you still recomand using dreadtheft for debuff on boss or fiery bolt or killing flames ? ( I feel like while you debuff, the party benefit but not yourself with dreadtheft ).
to that last bit about DT, Im with u on that. sometimes i dont slot it, in fear of the broken GWF benefitting from the few secs debuff lol.
Would like to see high geared sw post results of fbi and the new 10 man. HBfury vs SB fury. I am a maxed out HB fury but im on xbox and learn alot from you guys here. Fernuu , Nat , and others. Keeping the sw community optimistic on xbox is proving to be a challenge with the TC nerf coming. Ty guys.
So are you guys saying that after the mod 10 "class balancing" TC got another "nerf"???....and either way, I don't see the sb fury doing more damage or DPS, than the sb damnation....certainly replacing soul scorch with pop is a loss of damage, (even if your SS isn't crit) And everyone talks about the buffs from pop, I find the buffs useless...the reduction in damage dealt by enemies to players while standing in pop is decent, but not a game changer, and the resistance ignored buff is even more useless as anyone doing end game content already has their 60% R.I....
Would like to see high geared sw post results of fbi and the new 10 man. HBfury vs SB fury. I am a maxed out HB fury but im on xbox and learn alot from you guys here. Fernuu , Nat , and others. Keeping the sw community optimistic on xbox is proving to be a challenge with the TC nerf coming. Ty guys.
I got what you asked for. FBI run with 1 op, 2 dc, 1 HB fury (me), 1 SB Fury (Natsu). I was thinking about switching to SB. Did some tests on the preview but I didnt get convinced, so I asked Natsu to run FBI with me. I don't remember his gear but I'm pretty sure he is 3.7+ GS (I am 3.9), we have the same companions on epic, the only difference is that I use an owlbear and he uses a wild hunt rider. Companion-wise, his fire archon uses a talisman of adorable bites, ring of brutality +5 and a ring of the loyal avenger. 5 brutals rank 12 if I recall correctly (or azures rank 12?). I use a talisman of the loyal avenger, ring of brutality +4 and a ring of the loyal avenger with 3 brutals rank 12. I got all insignias on purple except by 3 barbed and 1 regal, I believe his insignias are blue. He uses a legendary relic main hand and legendary relic off hand. I use an epic relic main hand and an epic relic off hand. He got 100% crit, I got 97.6% before boons. All my offense slots (8) are brutals rank 12, but I don't remember what enchants he uses. That's all the info I remember to tell you. We did 2 runs, the first run I won by 10M damage if I recall correctly. 400Mish damage each one of us, so it was like 2.5% advantage for me. But we didn't get the ACT log for the first run. But he ran ACT for the second run and here are the logs: mine and his.
MINE (HB Fury):
HIS (SB Fury)
Thanks in advance to Natsu for helping me with the comparison.
PS: I use the SAME build I used before the nerf/fix. I didn't change any feats, skills, passives or whatever. I just don't TC bosses anymore, I use Brood of Hadar on them and that's 10% of my dps in FBI.
Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
So are you guys saying that after the mod 10 "class balancing" TC got another "nerf"???....and either way, I don't see the sb fury doing more damage or DPS, than the sb damnation....certainly replacing soul scorch with pop is a loss of damage, (even if your SS isn't crit) And everyone talks about the buffs from pop, I find the buffs useless...the reduction in damage dealt by enemies to players while standing in pop is decent, but not a game changer, and the resistance ignored buff is even more useless as anyone doing end game content already has their 60% R.I....
what would you use in damnation tree besides the 5 extra secs for IS?
Would like to see high geared sw post results of fbi and the new 10 man. HBfury vs SB fury. I am a maxed out HB fury but im on xbox and learn alot from you guys here. Fernuu , Nat , and others. Keeping the sw community optimistic on xbox is proving to be a challenge with the TC nerf coming. Ty guys.
I got what you asked for. FBI run with 1 op, 2 dc, 1 HB fury (me), 1 SB Fury (Natsu). I was thinking about switching to SB. Did some tests on the preview but I didnt get convinced, so I asked Natsu to run FBI with me. I don't remember his gear but I'm pretty sure he is 3.7+ GS (I am 3.9), we have the same companions on epic, the only difference is that I use an owlbear and he uses a wild hunt rider. Companion-wise, his fire archon uses a talisman of adorable bites, ring of brutality +5 and a ring of the loyal avenger. 5 brutals rank 12 if I recall correctly (or azures rank 12?). I use a talisman of the loyal avenger, ring of brutality +4 and a ring of the loyal avenger with 3 brutals rank 12. I got all insignias on purple except by 3 barbed and 1 regal, I believe his insignias are blue. He uses a legendary relic main hand and legendary relic off hand. I use an epic relic main hand and an epic relic off hand. He got 100% crit, I got 97.6% before boons. All my offense slots (8) are brutals rank 12, but I don't remember what enchants he uses. That's all the info I remember to tell you. We did 2 runs, the first run I won by 10M damage if I recall correctly. 400Mish damage each one of us, so it was like 2.5% advantage for me. But we didn't get the ACT log for the first run. But he ran ACT for the second run and here are the logs: mine and his.
MINE (HB Fury):
HIS (SB Fury)
Thanks in advance to Natsu for helping me with the comparison.
PS: I use the SAME build I used before the nerf/fix. I didn't change any feats, skills, passives or whatever. I just don't TC bosses anymore, I use Brood of Hadar on them and that's 10% of my dps in FBI.
Obviously without owlbear and infantible compensation natsu wouldve outdps you by almost 20mil.
Would like to see high geared sw post results of fbi and the new 10 man. HBfury vs SB fury. I am a maxed out HB fury but im on xbox and learn alot from you guys here. Fernuu , Nat , and others. Keeping the sw community optimistic on xbox is proving to be a challenge with the TC nerf coming. Ty guys.
I got what you asked for. FBI run with 1 op, 2 dc, 1 HB fury (me), 1 SB Fury (Natsu). I was thinking about switching to SB. Did some tests on the preview but I didnt get convinced, so I asked Natsu to run FBI with me. I don't remember his gear but I'm pretty sure he is 3.7+ GS (I am 3.9), we have the same companions on epic, the only difference is that I use an owlbear and he uses a wild hunt rider. Companion-wise, his fire archon uses a talisman of adorable bites, ring of brutality +5 and a ring of the loyal avenger. 5 brutals rank 12 if I recall correctly (or azures rank 12?). I use a talisman of the loyal avenger, ring of brutality +4 and a ring of the loyal avenger with 3 brutals rank 12. I got all insignias on purple except by 3 barbed and 1 regal, I believe his insignias are blue. He uses a legendary relic main hand and legendary relic off hand. I use an epic relic main hand and an epic relic off hand. He got 100% crit, I got 97.6% before boons. All my offense slots (8) are brutals rank 12, but I don't remember what enchants he uses. That's all the info I remember to tell you. We did 2 runs, the first run I won by 10M damage if I recall correctly. 400Mish damage each one of us, so it was like 2.5% advantage for me. But we didn't get the ACT log for the first run. But he ran ACT for the second run and here are the logs: mine and his.
MINE (HB Fury):
HIS (SB Fury)
Thanks in advance to Natsu for helping me with the comparison.
PS: I use the SAME build I used before the nerf/fix. I didn't change any feats, skills, passives or whatever. I just don't TC bosses anymore, I use Brood of Hadar on them and that's 10% of my dps in FBI.
Obviously without owlbear and infantible compensation natsu wouldve outdps you by almost 20mil.
Yes and that's just a 5% damage difference. But, his weapon is legendary, mine is epic, there's a difference favoring him in that, also, he has a legendary mount, I don't know if he uses combat power to get that insignia combo bonus, he also has 2 more offense slots on his companion. In the other hand, like he said, I was getting Hastening Light from 2 DC, and that helped me a lot, in the othet other hand, aura of courage was 11% of his dps, and around 6% of my dps. It's difficult to compare a build to another because every 1% bonus makes difference and every build works differently even when it comes to buffs affecting the build playstyle. And this run was done just for me to check if I'd change to SB, and I decided I'm staying as Hellbringer hahaha.
I'm still thinking what companion I'm using in place of the owlbear once they fix it. Maybe I keep it if it becomes 2%+ of my dps. I don't know. What I know is that owlbear was 4% of my single target dps as a Soulbinder in the preview, so it could give me a decent dps boost even after the fix. I just don't know how it could give me 4% of my dps in a SB single target rotation with 97.6% crit lol. Maybe it's because of warlock's bargain. WB is acting weird for me when it comes to crit
Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
Would like to see high geared sw post results of fbi and the new 10 man. HBfury vs SB fury. I am a maxed out HB fury but im on xbox and learn alot from you guys here. Fernuu , Nat , and others. Keeping the sw community optimistic on xbox is proving to be a challenge with the TC nerf coming. Ty guys.
I got what you asked for. FBI run with 1 op, 2 dc, 1 HB fury (me), 1 SB Fury (Natsu). I was thinking about switching to SB. Did some tests on the preview but I didnt get convinced, so I asked Natsu to run FBI with me. I don't remember his gear but I'm pretty sure he is 3.7+ GS (I am 3.9), we have the same companions on epic, the only difference is that I use an owlbear and he uses a wild hunt rider. Companion-wise, his fire archon uses a talisman of adorable bites, ring of brutality +5 and a ring of the loyal avenger. 5 brutals rank 12 if I recall correctly (or azures rank 12?). I use a talisman of the loyal avenger, ring of brutality +4 and a ring of the loyal avenger with 3 brutals rank 12. I got all insignias on purple except by 3 barbed and 1 regal, I believe his insignias are blue. He uses a legendary relic main hand and legendary relic off hand. I use an epic relic main hand and an epic relic off hand. He got 100% crit, I got 97.6% before boons. All my offense slots (8) are brutals rank 12, but I don't remember what enchants he uses. That's all the info I remember to tell you. We did 2 runs, the first run I won by 10M damage if I recall correctly. 400Mish damage each one of us, so it was like 2.5% advantage for me. But we didn't get the ACT log for the first run. But he ran ACT for the second run and here are the logs: mine and his.
MINE (HB Fury):
HIS (SB Fury)
Thanks in advance to Natsu for helping me with the comparison.
PS: I use the SAME build I used before the nerf/fix. I didn't change any feats, skills, passives or whatever. I just don't TC bosses anymore, I use Brood of Hadar on them and that's 10% of my dps in FBI.
Obviously without owlbear and infantible compensation natsu wouldve outdps you by almost 20mil.
Yes and that's just a 5% damage difference. But, his weapon is legendary, mine is epic, there's a difference favoring him in that, also, he has a legendary mount, I don't know if he uses combat power to get that insignia combo bonus, he also has 2 more offense slots on his companion. In the other hand, like he said, I was getting Hastening Light from 2 DC, and that helped me a lot, in the othet other hand, aura of courage was 11% of his dps, and around 6% of my dps. It's difficult to compare a build to another because every 1% bonus makes difference and every build works differently even when it comes to buffs affecting the build playstyle. And this run was done just for me to check if I'd change to SB, and I decided I'm staying as Hellbringer hahaha.
I'm still thinking what companion I'm using in place of the owlbear once they fix it. Maybe I keep it if it becomes 2%+ of my dps. I don't know. What I know is that owlbear was 4% of my single target dps as a Soulbinder in the preview, so it could give me a decent dps boost even after the fix. I just don't know how it could give me 4% of my dps in a SB single target rotation with 97.6% crit lol. Maybe it's because of warlock's bargain. WB is acting weird for me when it comes to crit
Fair enough, but i really don't see anything on the ACT for HB fury besides IC(owlbear) which would compensate for the dmg dealt by Soul scorch...possibly hellish rebuke?? still natsu nearly matched that with Soul scortch, but you are prolly right. may be difficult to compare a build to another. you should find vladek in-game. he's the best sb fury ive met so far.
@Ly'saaera, seems like -8 sec on cooldown compare to what?2k extra power wouldve been better deal? or no?
I understand a bit about my class but I still don't know much about the formulas and mechanisms, so I can't tell you. I'm trying to find info about formulas and stuff to be a neverwinter nerd lol
Would like to see high geared sw post results of fbi and the new 10 man. HBfury vs SB fury. I am a maxed out HB fury but im on xbox and learn alot from you guys here. Fernuu , Nat , and others. Keeping the sw community optimistic on xbox is proving to be a challenge with the TC nerf coming. Ty guys.
I got what you asked for. FBI run with 1 op, 2 dc, 1 HB fury (me), 1 SB Fury (Natsu). I was thinking about switching to SB. Did some tests on the preview but I didnt get convinced, so I asked Natsu to run FBI with me. I don't remember his gear but I'm pretty sure he is 3.7+ GS (I am 3.9), we have the same companions on epic, the only difference is that I use an owlbear and he uses a wild hunt rider. Companion-wise, his fire archon uses a talisman of adorable bites, ring of brutality +5 and a ring of the loyal avenger. 5 brutals rank 12 if I recall correctly (or azures rank 12?). I use a talisman of the loyal avenger, ring of brutality +4 and a ring of the loyal avenger with 3 brutals rank 12. I got all insignias on purple except by 3 barbed and 1 regal, I believe his insignias are blue. He uses a legendary relic main hand and legendary relic off hand. I use an epic relic main hand and an epic relic off hand. He got 100% crit, I got 97.6% before boons. All my offense slots (8) are brutals rank 12, but I don't remember what enchants he uses. That's all the info I remember to tell you. We did 2 runs, the first run I won by 10M damage if I recall correctly. 400Mish damage each one of us, so it was like 2.5% advantage for me. But we didn't get the ACT log for the first run. But he ran ACT for the second run and here are the logs: mine and his.
MINE (HB Fury):
HIS (SB Fury)
Thanks in advance to Natsu for helping me with the comparison.
PS: I use the SAME build I used before the nerf/fix. I didn't change any feats, skills, passives or whatever. I just don't TC bosses anymore, I use Brood of Hadar on them and that's 10% of my dps in FBI.
very interesting. Do you remember how much unbuffed power and crit Natsu had ? Because yours is considerably high (I think you have max level guild power boon). EDIT: i saw in another thread that you 8000 guild boon of power.
I will look at it more detailed later (at work now) but from what I see you had more often Overcharge: Attack (10% damage buff) and your overall effectiveness, along with min/max/avg/med hits is also higher
first run is prolly more realistic cause in the second run i was chatting with some other ppl while running. Still the HB dps Kallephi put out there was quite impressive. It might look different with only 1 DC but overall i think u can say that there is not that much difference between the 2 builds. HB might even have a little advantage cause u buff the group more. Only 1 thing is sure: we need to do more testing;)
first run is prolly more realistic cause in the second run i was chatting with some other ppl while running. Still the HB dps Kallephi put out there was quite impressive. It might look different with only 1 DC but overall i think u can say that there is not that much difference between the 2 builds. HB might even have a little advantage cause u buff the group more. Only 1 thing is sure: we need to do more testing;)
Sure. I'm thinking about dropping dark relvery just to see what I can do hahaha. Hit me in game.
Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
first run is prolly more realistic cause in the second run i was chatting with some other ppl while running. Still the HB dps Kallephi put out there was quite impressive. It might look different with only 1 DC but overall i think u can say that there is not that much difference between the 2 builds. HB might even have a little advantage cause u buff the group more. Only 1 thing is sure: we need to do more testing;)
Fernuu, can you post the ACT logs of your tests between HB fury and SB fury, for comparisons? Just to see gap between HB vs SB
Only did some internal tests, wanted to do some HB vs SB stuff but @tom and @kallephi did it already.
Build for SB hasn't changed so much as a little teaser (feats/boons). Only some encounters and passives. I'm gonna be away for 4 days now, will test few more stuff now and we will try to put it together
Fernuu, can you post the ACT logs of your tests between HB fury and SB fury, for comparisons? Just to see gap between HB vs SB
Only did some internal tests, wanted to do some HB vs SB stuff but @tom and @kallephi did it already.
Build for SB hasn't changed so much as a little teaser (feats/boons). Only some encounters and passives. I'm gonna be away for 4 days now, will test few more stuff now and we will try to put it together
We can test together, man. You and me. Natsu and you. We 3 together with 1 dc and 1 tank
Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
Nowadays I'm rocking with a 3.8 HB Fury with PoP but no Dark Revelry, with a 104% permanent critical chance (when bondings activate). Thanks to the owlbear I can mask that HB Fury SW are not having their best time, I do hope the let us use PoP+IC until they do a cool rework to SW.
From my experience, going with PoP is pretty cool because when you party with a full pure DPS team mates you boost their damage even more, and if you are the DPS you still do a pretty good damage and you boost your teams mates damage too.
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I was thinking about switching to SB. Did some tests on the preview but I didnt get convinced, so I asked Natsu to run FBI with me. I don't remember his gear but I'm pretty sure he is 3.7+ GS (I am 3.9), we have the same companions on epic, the only difference is that I use an owlbear and he uses a wild hunt rider. Companion-wise, his fire archon uses a talisman of adorable bites, ring of brutality +5 and a ring of the loyal avenger. 5 brutals rank 12 if I recall correctly (or azures rank 12?). I use a talisman of the loyal avenger, ring of brutality +4 and a ring of the loyal avenger with 3 brutals rank 12. I got all insignias on purple except by 3 barbed and 1 regal, I believe his insignias are blue. He uses a legendary relic main hand and legendary relic off hand. I use an epic relic main hand and an epic relic off hand. He got 100% crit, I got 97.6% before boons. All my offense slots (8) are brutals rank 12, but I don't remember what enchants he uses. That's all the info I remember to tell you.
We did 2 runs, the first run I won by 10M damage if I recall correctly. 400Mish damage each one of us, so it was like 2.5% advantage for me. But we didn't get the ACT log for the first run. But he ran ACT for the second run and here are the logs: mine and his.
MINE (HB Fury):
HIS (SB Fury)
Thanks in advance to Natsu for helping me with the comparison.
PS: I use the SAME build I used before the nerf/fix. I didn't change any feats, skills, passives or whatever. I just don't TC bosses anymore, I use Brood of Hadar on them and that's 10% of my dps in FBI.
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
And this run was done just for me to check if I'd change to SB, and I decided I'm staying as Hellbringer hahaha.
I'm still thinking what companion I'm using in place of the owlbear once they fix it. Maybe I keep it if it becomes 2%+ of my dps. I don't know. What I know is that owlbear was 4% of my single target dps as a Soulbinder in the preview, so it could give me a decent dps boost even after the fix. I just don't know how it could give me 4% of my dps in a SB single target rotation with 97.6% crit lol. Maybe it's because of warlock's bargain. WB is acting weird for me when it comes to crit
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
PS: BTW, my handle is @kallephi#0836
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
Again i'm sorry but what is "infantile compensation" ?
Do you remember how much unbuffed power and crit Natsu had ? Because yours is considerably high (I think you have max level guild power boon).
EDIT: i saw in another thread that you 8000 guild boon of power.
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
Still the HB dps Kallephi put out there was quite impressive.
It might look different with only 1 DC but overall i think u can say that there is not that much difference between the 2 builds.
HB might even have a little advantage cause u buff the group more.
Only 1 thing is sure: we need to do more testing;)
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
SB spend nothing.
So even without owlbear HB looks a bit better to me?
What about classfeature? FoE+ACC i guess
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
Build for SB hasn't changed so much as a little teaser (feats/boons). Only some encounters and passives. I'm gonna be away for 4 days now, will test few more stuff now and we will try to put it together
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
From my experience, going with PoP is pretty cool because when you party with a full pure DPS team mates you boost their damage even more, and if you are the DPS you still do a pretty good damage and you boost your teams mates damage too.