i think black ice gear drop only for your class. if dropped gear not for your class it is elk tribe or hammerstone gear, not black ice gear.
Has that been changed then? I have not gotten any BI drops (only a single Hammerstone) despite spending most of last weekend in the HEs - playing countless epic ones, but on the Preview server I did get gauntlets for GFs ... and I'm a DC.
Okay folks, damage is not the only consideration in "earning a chance" to receive black ice gloves/gauntlets and black ice main hand. Yes healing counts, buffing and debuffing counts...and participation in the what script is actually telling you to do. Let me say this again...participating in what the script is telling you do.
In these enoucnters, when you have to do certain things like mine black ice with the remorahaz, or revive a prospector that has fallen, people just stand around doing other things and not what the script is calling for.
On my HR, I have now gotten gloves X 4, and main hand X 7.
On my NEW GWF Test ALT, today will be his 3rd day in IWD, he has already gotten gloves X 2.
I participate in every phase of the encounters. I do not ignore what the script is calling for. It tells you in your little quest window on the right side of your screen.
My CW, TR, DC, CW, are all retired, so do not use them.
On both of these
Also, you only have a chance to get an epic drop, if you meet the participation threshold, the higher your TOTAL the better your chances. It does take all things into consideration.
Second thing of note, the more people that show up, or get invited to the instance, the harder it is going to be to reach the threshold to trigger the chance of an epic drop.
Thanks for the information, will try your suggestion and see whether I am lucky enough to get my gloves and MH.
Mmk, well I'm not sure exactly who you are or how it is that you supposedly have the "inside scoop"
He tested the HE's extensively on preview before it went live and due to the small number of players on preview it is a much more controlled environment , not just dozens of random players coming and going plus most of the time the other players doing the HE's with him were all in his party so he could get a rough idea of who did what and what drops they got for doing it.
Mmk, well I'm not sure exactly who you are or how it is that you supposedly have the "inside scoop", I don't see a Perfect World logo next to your name, but assuming what you say is true, that still doesn't obviate the need for a change. I myself HAVE followed the "script" multiple times...releasing prospectors, mining black ice, tending injured wolves, etc, often when almost no one else was bothering to do those things. And it has made exactly ZERO difference.
So if you're getting those kinds of results on drops, I can only say that it's as much unadulterated luck as anything else, and good for you. That still doesn't change the fact Cryptic did not think this through before letting it go live, and they owe it to us (and themselves) to investigate further.
I never said I had anything to do with PWE. These are things we learned on preview as well as dev comments in the preview section and during various play with the devs on preview through out mod 3.
Take it or leave it, it is not my issue. The drop rates are fine.
On preview it was a much more controlled environment. There was a lot of tweaking and fixing the HEs and the drops. We were grouped and we played on preview every day of mod 3 testing.
I am sorry you have not gotten the drops you want, but take it or leave it, it is not my issue. The drop rates are fine.
Oh and the reason this test GWF on live I made has not gotten his main hand yet, is I have not done the ONLY particular HE in IWP that drops the black ice main hand.
Note. He said he got this on his HR and GWF. Those two classes do NOT have a problem dealing AoE damage or burst damage. TRs cannot deal as much damage in as wide an area as those classes. Also, think of the GFs. They deal even less DPS! Furthermore, the only time I ever got a purple item to drop today (which thanks to Cryptic's lovely teasing game mechanic) gave me a purple item that I did not need for my class but for a GF! This all happened solely because I was in a small group and with what seemed to be GWFs that were low-geared, because they were not dealing a lot of damage compared to me.
Cryptic, for the love of God, just bloody put the gloves and the main hand (or at least the gloves!) into the shop where you can buy the others and lets be done with all these complaints from the community. You want to have happy players that play your game instead of being constantly frustrated? Just put AT LEAST the gloves into the shop. Believe me, you will make a LOT of people happy.
Ok, and...? That's great, and makes no difference whatsoever in the live server, where people ARE zerging the encounters in droves. So either we have to wait around til the numbers drop off (maybe never) or pray that there is some new mechanic put in place to allow for purchase.
And because he tested it on preview which is exactly the same system as live he knows what you need to do to maximize your chances of getting a drop ,he was trying to give you tips on having a better chance to get the drops you are whining about , he has had numerous drops for his class by using what he learned on preview , I've had 3 mainhands and 2 gloves for my CW using what I learned on preview , no idea why he would bother to help you with your attitude though but whatever , also the chances of them adding the bracers and mainhand to the shop are next to nil.
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
edited May 2014
The thing is...even if you do everything right, participate, do everything, provide decent damage/healing, there is no guarantee - there is always a big random factor. I think I have done the Remorhaz 20+ times, and the Beholder 10+ times - and still no epic drops for me on the live server.
The problem for me is that I originally liked the game because it was fun and "casual friendly" - which was not the case for WoW, and why I gave up playing that a few years ago. If I am forced to grind endlessly (without a guaranteed result at the end) to have a chance to proceed, the game stops being fun for me, and without the fun factor, there is not much to keep me here. I'll give it another week....if I have no drops by then, I'll probably take a break from the game for a while.
Hoping for improvements...
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unrealized1977Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 100
edited May 2014
I am officially going into a 3rd week of glove farming, this is absolutely nuts. Before their patch a few weeks ago, I got 2 main hand drops and a couple epic crafting items. Since that patch where they nerf'd the drop rate of enemy encounters I have not seen an epic since. This is stupid, move the gloves to the store, and then change it so the offhand and mainhand is dropped. This way everyone has a chance at the new skirmish, either that or just move the gloves to the store or plz increase the drop rate.
I think we need an official response, but it seems like it isn't happening.
My TR just got the gloves from Raid the Raiders. Did what the quest tracker said to do (free horses, burn this, loot that), died 3 times and revived twice at camp fire, cause damage to mobs and boss...
There were maybe 15 players in the HE. I think the big factor is the number of players in an HE, if there are like 20+ players in an HE, the chances of getting epic stuff is minimal even if you do everything you should...
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
edited May 2014
OK, a question here - exactly which HEs have a chance of dropping (a) the gloves and (b) the mainhand?
Hoping for improvements...
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unrealized1977Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 100
edited May 2014
Mainhand - Dwarven Valley - got mine from the beholder - prepatch
Gloves - Ice Pass, Epic HE Remorhaz, Raid the raiders, some say that prospectors does but its always packed or empty.
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unrealized1977Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 100
My TR just got the gloves from Raid the Raiders. Did what the quest tracker said to do (free horses, burn this, loot that), died 3 times and revived twice at camp fire, cause damage to mobs and boss...
There were maybe 15 players in the HE. I think the big factor is the number of players in an HE, if there are like 20+ players in an HE, the chances of getting epic stuff is minimal even if you do everything you should...
But there will always be a zerg at most encounters epics recommended is 6-10 usually 25-30+
Popular Major HEs - 15-20+ the whole amount of people should be taken out of the figure, since there will always be a zerg until mod 4 just like the areas of mod 2 have died down.
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unrealized1977Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 100
edited May 2014
I know If have personally spoke with Akromatik and he said he was going to bring it to the attention of the developers Fingers Crossed !!!!
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arianrrhodMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 7Arc User
Okay folks, damage is not the only consideration in "earning a chance" to receive black ice gloves/gauntlets and black ice main hand. Yes healing counts, buffing and debuffing counts...and participation in the what script is actually telling you to do. Let me say this again...participating in what the script is telling you do.
In these enoucnters, when you have to do certain things like mine black ice with the remorahaz, or revive a prospector that has fallen, people just stand around doing other things and not what the script is calling for.
On my HR, I have now gotten gloves X 4, and main hand X 7.
On my NEW GWF Test ALT, today will be his 3rd day in IWD, he has already gotten gloves X 2.
I participate in every phase of the encounters. I do not ignore what the script is calling for. It tells you in your little quest window on the right side of your screen.
My CW, TR, DC, CW, are all retired, so do not use them.
On both of these
Also, you only have a chance to get an epic drop, if you meet the participation threshold, the higher your TOTAL the better your chances. It does take all things into consideration.
Second thing of note, the more people that show up, or get invited to the instance, the harder it is going to be to reach the threshold to trigger the chance of an epic drop.
You just spoke to me in game.
My question to you is, I try to mine the black ice in Remo, but most seem to get taken, when trying to save someone it is already done before I get to it. It is very frustrating. I have yet to get anything. I will try to participate more and try harder to get there first. See how it goes. Cause as a rogue with only single target, my dps is low in encounters.
This is all hearsay. I got the gloves and mainhand on all 3 of my characters that I'm doing IWD on and as long as you don't get the troll loot (25 raw black ice) you are in the roll for the BI drops.
I'm pretty sure there's no scripts counting everybody's damage and heals and debuffs for every HE and rewarding them based on standings stat-wise. From what I can tell it works on a timer, if 30 people smash an epic heroic in 5 minutes, nobody gets gloves or mainhand or anything worthwhile, period.
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unrealized1977Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 100
This is all hearsay. I got the gloves and mainhand on all 3 of my characters that I'm doing IWD on and as long as you don't get the troll loot (25 raw black ice) you are in the roll for the BI drops.
OK so do us a favor, List off your character classes that got everything.... My guess GWF, HR, CW all high DPS classes.
I have been doing epic HEs since mod3 came out. The only drop I've gotten other than some blue crafting resources is a Sword Knot . . . . on my HR. Things that make you go grr . . .
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unrealized1977Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 100
I have been doing epic HEs since mod3 came out. The only drop I've gotten other than some blue crafting resources is a Sword Knot . . . . on my HR. Things that make you go grr . . .
Welcome to the fun of farming, when you get to 3 weeks and I move to 6 weeks with no glove drop then i am going to leave mod 3 behind and toss out the rest of my BI gear.
Impressive! 9 Pages and still no official response from Cryptic. Oh yes, they are certainly "Letting the people in charge know" about this issue. Most definitely.
Finally got the gloves on my TR, off of Remo. Even though I didn't feel as if I did that much damage I was consistently the target of his circle for the whole fight (I did strike first on him, though).
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unrealized1977Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 100
edited May 2014
still a major issue I keep talking to all sorts of people in game, same story no gloves, weeks of farming etc etc etc. We would love to see them sold, im even at the point of paying zen for them.
They should at least make this stuff drop randomly from Kessel's Retreat as a cap stone, so as to say to the player:
"Okay you got here you got most of your set because you got into this skirmish now you have a 5% chance to get gloves."
Something like that would go a long way to mitigate these concerns imo. It would give players more interested in farming epic skirmishes a vehicle to finish their sets, and fit naturally into the idea of KEssel's Retreat as a cap stone.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
edited May 2014
haven, thats pretty typical honestly.
and you wont, they are in a no win situation. However, I think the drop rate or another payment method needs to be introduced, this isnt good for the game, since black ice is already in the game, they could just offer the other two pieces at double the current rate.
They could THEN offer a higher reward for doing HEs, becuase right now, doing even a small one nets you at most 150 black ice, something I could just go to a node and get for 1/4 of the time or less for most of these things. WE are forced to run one a day for a daily, so thats what IVe been doing, IF by chance one of the big ones pop, Ill do it, if Its not all way across the map.
Overall, this is the most depressing thing in the game right now, its not about time played = gear earned, its just a bogus time gate.. Im sure someone will come on and say they got theres the first time and everything is fine and we are all complaining whiners or something. Im OK for it to be a time gate that is achievable not random drop give aways for gear needed to play a game with , thats not cool.
Allow it to be purchased for double the current of the other two items please.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
edited May 2014
If they put direct gear in the shop for zen.. I will be done with this MMO, simply put, NOT good. Thats like those stupid little apps that give you the first 10 levels for free , then WHAM, you cannot defeat anything, until you pay 1.99 for each level basically to buy the next upgrade.. there is no point in playing those games.
Once you start down that road it would never stop.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
Everyone asking to have it added to "the shop" is asking for it to be purchasable for black ice (if a lot more than the other pieces), as far as I can see.
Edit: Ok, you're right. One guy said he'd be willing to pay Zen. That's a no-no.
Everyone asking to have it added to "the shop" is asking for it to be purchasable for black ice (if a lot more than the other pieces), as far as I can see.
Edit: Ok, you're right. One guy said he'd be willing to pay Zen. That's a no-no.
If the drop rate sucks like it does now and I have been at this 3 weeks of farming for 1 item, move it to the black ice vendor/shop and give the people the option to buy a black ice weapon/armor chest like they have now for BI Professions Gear Id pay zen if that was an option as well.... But come on people this is nuts for one item.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2014
Yeah, it's getting pretty ridiculous. Hope there's a fix soon.
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Has that been changed then? I have not gotten any BI drops (only a single Hammerstone) despite spending most of last weekend in the HEs - playing countless epic ones, but on the Preview server I did get gauntlets for GFs ... and I'm a DC.
Thanks for the information, will try your suggestion and see whether I am lucky enough to get my gloves and MH.
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He tested the HE's extensively on preview before it went live and due to the small number of players on preview it is a much more controlled environment , not just dozens of random players coming and going plus most of the time the other players doing the HE's with him were all in his party so he could get a rough idea of who did what and what drops they got for doing it.
I never said I had anything to do with PWE. These are things we learned on preview as well as dev comments in the preview section and during various play with the devs on preview through out mod 3.
Take it or leave it, it is not my issue. The drop rates are fine.
On preview it was a much more controlled environment. There was a lot of tweaking and fixing the HEs and the drops. We were grouped and we played on preview every day of mod 3 testing.
I am sorry you have not gotten the drops you want, but take it or leave it, it is not my issue. The drop rates are fine.
Oh and the reason this test GWF on live I made has not gotten his main hand yet, is I have not done the ONLY particular HE in IWP that drops the black ice main hand.
Cryptic, for the love of God, just bloody put the gloves and the main hand (or at least the gloves!) into the shop where you can buy the others and lets be done with all these complaints from the community. You want to have happy players that play your game instead of being constantly frustrated? Just put AT LEAST the gloves into the shop. Believe me, you will make a LOT of people happy.
And because he tested it on preview which is exactly the same system as live he knows what you need to do to maximize your chances of getting a drop ,he was trying to give you tips on having a better chance to get the drops you are whining about , he has had numerous drops for his class by using what he learned on preview , I've had 3 mainhands and 2 gloves for my CW using what I learned on preview , no idea why he would bother to help you with your attitude though but whatever , also the chances of them adding the bracers and mainhand to the shop are next to nil.
The problem for me is that I originally liked the game because it was fun and "casual friendly" - which was not the case for WoW, and why I gave up playing that a few years ago. If I am forced to grind endlessly (without a guaranteed result at the end) to have a chance to proceed, the game stops being fun for me, and without the fun factor, there is not much to keep me here. I'll give it another week....if I have no drops by then, I'll probably take a break from the game for a while.
I think we need an official response, but it seems like it isn't happening.
There were maybe 15 players in the HE. I think the big factor is the number of players in an HE, if there are like 20+ players in an HE, the chances of getting epic stuff is minimal even if you do everything you should...
Gloves - Ice Pass, Epic HE Remorhaz, Raid the raiders, some say that prospectors does but its always packed or empty.
But there will always be a zerg at most encounters epics recommended is 6-10 usually 25-30+
Popular Major HEs - 15-20+ the whole amount of people should be taken out of the figure, since there will always be a zerg until mod 4 just like the areas of mod 2 have died down.
You just spoke to me in game.
My question to you is, I try to mine the black ice in Remo, but most seem to get taken, when trying to save someone it is already done before I get to it. It is very frustrating. I have yet to get anything. I will try to participate more and try harder to get there first. See how it goes. Cause as a rogue with only single target, my dps is low in encounters.
OK so do us a favor, List off your character classes that got everything.... My guess GWF, HR, CW all high DPS classes.
Welcome to the fun of farming, when you get to 3 weeks and I move to 6 weeks with no glove drop then i am going to leave mod 3 behind and toss out the rest of my BI gear.
"Okay you got here you got most of your set because you got into this skirmish now you have a 5% chance to get gloves."
Something like that would go a long way to mitigate these concerns imo. It would give players more interested in farming epic skirmishes a vehicle to finish their sets, and fit naturally into the idea of KEssel's Retreat as a cap stone.
and you wont, they are in a no win situation. However, I think the drop rate or another payment method needs to be introduced, this isnt good for the game, since black ice is already in the game, they could just offer the other two pieces at double the current rate.
They could THEN offer a higher reward for doing HEs, becuase right now, doing even a small one nets you at most 150 black ice, something I could just go to a node and get for 1/4 of the time or less for most of these things. WE are forced to run one a day for a daily, so thats what IVe been doing, IF by chance one of the big ones pop, Ill do it, if Its not all way across the map.
Overall, this is the most depressing thing in the game right now, its not about time played = gear earned, its just a bogus time gate.. Im sure someone will come on and say they got theres the first time and everything is fine and we are all complaining whiners or something. Im OK for it to be a time gate that is achievable not random drop give aways for gear needed to play a game with , thats not cool.
Allow it to be purchased for double the current of the other two items please.
Once you start down that road it would never stop.
Everyone asking to have it added to "the shop" is asking for it to be purchasable for black ice (if a lot more than the other pieces), as far as I can see.
Edit: Ok, you're right. One guy said he'd be willing to pay Zen. That's a no-no.
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If the drop rate sucks like it does now and I have been at this 3 weeks of farming for 1 item, move it to the black ice vendor/shop and give the people the option to buy a black ice weapon/armor chest like they have now for BI Professions Gear Id pay zen if that was an option as well.... But come on people this is nuts for one item.
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