I really gotta say following script doesnt exactly work 100% of the time regardless of efforts to push the opposite. Shoot my sense is it doesnt work period and those following script and getting it and being rewarded with Black Ice gear fall into the lucky chosen few. Since launch my GF has gotten diddly squat (no gloves no main hand) and I have lost count on how many Epic or major encounters I have run in both DV and IWP. End result is obscene amount of lost countless hours with little to any to show for my effort. I have literally never seen an RNG for a micro pack (mod) release as bad as this in any mmo I play.
As for the slight chance the devs have a "fix" for this coming next week...I would hope so cause this mod is fast becoming an utter bust.
Okay..doing the script only increases your chances...it will not give you 100%. IT ONLY IMPROVES YOUR CHANCES OF AN EPIC DROP.
Then the RNG takes over.
ALSO MAKE SURE YOUR DOING THE RIGHT ENCOUNTERS...CURRENTLY THERE ARE ONLY 4 THAT DROP BLACK ICE GEAR...2 FOR EACH.
Your not gonna get the drops if your not doing the right encounters.
Yes I am getting tired of answering this same question.
I am completely unhappy that I actually have to work for my gear instead of having it handed to me. This is completely unlikely of how Neverwinter has been going so please change it, I want only good things and no less good things.
The way you work for gear though is kind of boring. This is bad design:
1) dude sitting at front of zone waiting for HE to spawn is as productive as
2) dude forming groups and actively demolishing content waiting for HE to spawn.
In the end, both those people will get gloves at the same expected time. It is suspicious to me as a design for a game. The reward for grinding is enchantments, but the reward for grinding is not productive in terms of your goals. You can't really advance yourself through work. You advance yourself through waiting to work and working briefly. It is kind of suspicious.
One could say it takes out the grind I suppose..
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iamsofiredMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2014
Have spent longer than most grinding the events - got my gloves today from raid the raider then another pair from the raid the raider the very next time. Dont know if they changed the drop rate after update or not.
i love it when people get on their high horses here and act as though they have all the answers, and "look, it's simple". Well it isn't and so glad you got your %$#& gloves, the rest of us haven't, and that's after doing all the same things as have been suggested all throughout this thread.
Yeah, we get it, only certain encounters give the drops (which frankly in and of itself is a whole different problem)...if you can find them. I have literally had one "raid the raiders" encounter show up since this began. And that one was bugged! I've seen remorhaz a grand total of five or six times! So don't sit there and preach at me. Please. The most basic percentage odds would seem to indicate that after 3 weeks of endless grinding, doing as many epic he's as possible, i'd have gotten at least gloves or main hand by now, but nothing. Not even a drop for another class.
There is no defense for this loot system as it stands. None. It needs to be changed and the sooner the better.
i have had it. Go screw your selves. I am sorry you did not play test at all on preview and now want to complain about the rng. Get over your entitled selves. Good luck and don"t bother asking me how things work
i have had it. Go screw your selves. I am sorry you did not play test at all on preview and now want to complain about the rng. Get over your entitled selves. Good luck and don"t bother asking me how things work
That's what I said a few pages back , you try to give them tips and they act like it's your fault they fail , dunno what all the fuss is about though , i'm not having any problems xD .
Okay..doing the script only increases your chances...it will not give you 100%. IT ONLY IMPROVES YOUR CHANCES OF AN EPIC DROP.
Then the RNG takes over.
ALSO MAKE SURE YOUR DOING THE RIGHT ENCOUNTERS...CURRENTLY THERE ARE ONLY 4 THAT DROP BLACK ICE GEAR...2 FOR EACH.
Your not gonna get the drops if your not doing the right encounters.
Yes I am getting tired of answering this same question.
Cayapp appreciate the heads up but I spent considerble time on Mod 3 beta so I am aware of which encounters one needs to do to try for the black ice gloves and main hand....as are many of the others posting here that have essentially been getting nothing but some raw black ice maybe an uncommon crafting component as a reward for some time. Fustration is fast taking over which explains some of the sharp tempers players are heading towards. You had a decent run of good luck in the amount of gloves/weapons you recieved however you must admit that your run of good luck and that of some of the others are the exception to the rule and not the standard.
In addition, with the devs stating that an adjustment/hotfix is planned for next week to address encounter loot issues this leaves many of us who have done exactly as you have stated since launch and not one black ice equipment piece to show for the wasted time that the encounter loot issues many have brought up repeatedly since launch may finally be getting addressed correctly.
You've stated your getting tired of answering the same questions repeatedly which is understandable however by the same token the majority of players are quite frankly getting tired of running the needed encounters for black ice pieces since launch for nothing. As someone stated earlier, I think the main issue is the RNG is not coded to properly assign the correct loot % when numbers of participants exceed the minimum players needed...it may be something else rearing its head that no one has considered yet.
If youre lucky enough to be at one of these events right when it spawns and get you some of the 1st licks in and stay active througout- this is the best change you will have at getting the drops. Pay attn to what time you saw one of the events last and then a lil less than 1 hour later keep your eyes peeled. Good luck everyone!
ADD: Also to remind people, and as stated previously by another poster: Participate in what the Heroic is telling you to do. Just like with quests, read the tracker and perform the tasks. Whether it be to free a captive, revive a captive, etc, do that stuff too!
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"beckylunatic" Gateway AH should have column headers to sort by buyout, bid, end time, quantity, etc. These disappeared iirc with the module launch. It's obnoxious.
Hi, I am playing a GF, and so far I completed 20 epic HEs, 57 major HEs and more than 100 minor HEs. So far I got 2 purple drops. one was a ressource (mithral ingot), the other one was an epic item for CWs (Elk Tribe Noble's Orb).
Can anyone tell me what HEs I should do to get the black ice gauntlets for a GF, and HOW I should do them best to have a high chance to get the gauntlets?
Thx.
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silverquickMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
That's what I said a few pages back , you try to give them tips and they act like it's your fault they fail , dunno what all the fuss is about though , i'm not having any problems xD .
Heh, yeah that's about what mine looks like except with a lot of gloves rather than orbs. I only have only gotten two orbs.
But then again I was there running these things in Preview too.
valoraniusMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 10Arc User
edited May 2014
I think the problem is if you don't get anything by your 50th heroic encounter, some are going to give up. The other irritant is that Kessell's Retreat is gated by getting that drop, so many people will have to wait.
By observation, the drop mechanic reminds me a lot of Star Trek Online (another Cryptic property) fleet actions, where at the end of each you're scored on a number of factors: DPS, heals, tasks completed, etc (DPS is a major factor, but not everything when the score is computed). The top scoring tier (usually 1 or 2 people) gets 2 purple drops, second tier gets 1 purple, third gets 2 blues, and everybody else gets green vendor trash -- if you don't ever score top tier at some point, you can play all day and never get a purple drop.
If that is true, then once the top players unlock Kessell's Retreat and move on to farming that, then the competition should become less intense, and the rest of us would have a better chance.
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silverquickMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
I know it isn't one of the 'Holy Grail' HE's for Gloves, but as an example, I just now finished an Epic HE Corrupted Wolves, from beginning to end, with a grand total of 3 people including myself. Three, and the third only arrived halfway through. I am a well-kitted and experienced CW and dished out considerable damage. The other two there were a GF and another CW.
Know what I got? A rank 4 Black Ice enchantment and 75 raw black ice. Now, sit there and tell me that isn't about six shades of wrong.
Well I don't know about you, but I did the same thing earlier today similar crew and got a 180 Black Ice reward and a 5 item drop and one of the items was Gloves.
I'm looking at a 16K GS too and 7500 power, 2400 crit, 2000 arp... I hope I wasn't the other CW in there with you on that one.
silverquickMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2014
Hmm Yeah I was rotating Shards, Steal Time, CoI, and Fanning the Flames, so you'd have known it was me. Along with Oppressive Force and Ice Knife.
I go with Vorpal too so we're at least close enough, though I don't know since the power rework how 1000 less power stacks up, but even if that was the case and power is just an overwhelming advantage now, you'd still at least be able to keep close on it.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2014
Still nothing. I was hoping to get my Gloves over the weekend, but no dice. Still need my Main Hand for my GWF as well.
I really do not understand why they have to put the missing pieces like gloves in heroic encounter where they could put it in a daily quest or weekly quest like briggins tomb chest at lease you know you might have a chance and not praying for miracles to happen. its actually annoying when you tried to do epic encounters too much lag because so many people participate. They should copy the system in dread ring when it comes to acquiring items.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2014
Annnnnd, Kessel's open and I cannot get in.
More grinding, more grinding. C'mon, Cryptic! Let's fix this drop rate!
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"beckylunatic" Gateway AH should have column headers to sort by buyout, bid, end time, quantity, etc. These disappeared iirc with the module launch. It's obnoxious.
Got mine. GF. Didn't work to hard. I think it was like the 10th epic I did. The hardest part imo is getting there early. I stand by criticism.
If I was thinking of how to address my criticism though I think a unique MMO system could have worked here:
1) Denizens of IWD Rage bar. On the right of the screen is a thermometer style graphic (not a theremometer but that idea).
2) Doing HE in a zone fills the bar. The bigger the HE the bigger the fill.
3) It decays with time and zoning empties it completely. Anyone playing at slow but steady pace should be able to cap it.
4) If a epic raid encounter spawns while it is full you have a significantly increased chance of a glove drop for participating. A quite high chance if it is full (1/3rdish) and almost zero chance if it was completely empty.
So the idea is you camp a zone doing the HE and fill your rage bar. As opposed to camping the front of the zone or hopping all around or otherwise not actually playing the action adventure game. The chance should be high as I anticipate without the zerg force eagerly hopping from zone to zone that it might be more difficult to actually do the encounter. Plus the luck involved with getting everything to line up, and plus maybe this system would reward social organization. People that will come help even if that means their rage bar is zero.
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bombamarioMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 9Arc User
edited June 2014
i play cw and dc, i had way more problems getting the gauntlets on my cw than on my dc... i have 3 pairs of gauntlets on my dc now (2 of which i would happily sell if only i was allowed too), 1 mainhand, on my cw 2 mainhands and 2 pair of gauntlets...
i NEVER equip heal-only spells, i debuff using divine glow, most of the time (not always) i ignore secondary objectives (got my 3rd pair ignoring everything else and just putting astral shield/divine glow on rhemo whenever he spawned)... my dc uses burning guidance tho, i use HG whenever possible and i also have a vanguard banner that i drop in the early part of the fight...
gauntlets can drop anywhere, (tho rhemo has by far the highest chance), my cw for example got them from a yeti rampage... all my mainhands are from prospector attack-encounters...
despite me having no problem getting that stuff, for whatever reason, i agree that current the system sucks...
i would like to run kessel with my guildmates now, but i cant... because
1. they dont have gauntlets and/or
2. even with 2 pieces of t3 gear they are not allowed to enter, because (holy mother****ing surprise) its bugged...
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2014
Here's what I'm seeing:
1) HE's are swamped now because people are doing whatever they can to get the gloves and enter KR.
2) Swamped HE's means far less of a chance of collected needed BI gear required to get in KR.
3) End result is a very demoralized player base.
GG, Cryptic.
PS: I cannot stand PVE grinds. Hence my bitterness.
i play cw and dc, i had way more problems getting the gauntlets on my cw than on my dc... i have 3 pairs of gauntlets on my dc now (2 of which i would happily sell if only i was allowed too), 1 mainhand, on my cw 2 mainhands and 2 pair of gauntlets...
i NEVER equip heal-only spells, i debuff using divine glow, most of the time (not always) i ignore secondary objectives (got my 3rd pair ignoring everything else and just putting astral shield/divine glow on rhemo whenever he spawned)... my dc uses burning guidance tho, i use HG whenever possible and i also have a vanguard banner that i drop in the early part of the fight...
gauntlets can drop anywhere, (tho rhemo has by far the highest chance), my cw for example got them from a yeti rampage... all my mainhands are from prospector attack-encounters...
despite me having no problem getting that stuff, for whatever reason, i agree that current the system sucks...
i would like to run kessel with my guildmates now, but i cant... because
1. they dont have gauntlets and/or
2. even with 2 pieces of t3 gear they are not allowed to enter, because (holy mother****ing surprise) its bugged...
On your CW, did you try some of the funky control setups or normal AOE/damage setup CWs usually run?
With all due respect, we know Cryptic tried to copy GW2 with HE... but you made a poor man's loot distribution system. Crowd draw rate still is an issue with people flooding epic HE's
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bombamarioMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 9Arc User
On your CW, did you try some of the funky control setups or normal AOE/damage setup CWs usually run?
normal aoe, coi on tab, steal time, shard, sudden storm, opressive force was my usual setup for encounters (eots, spell storm)... for the 'boss' part of encounters ice knife...
1. Constantly change maps until you enter an instance with raid the raiders or remorahaz in Pass.
2. Check the timer. If its less than 10 min, it's no use anyway.
3. Max damage setup (artifacts, powers).
4. Pray to God.
5. PROFIT.
I got 2 gloves for my CW. For the first one did like 20 runs.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
1. Constantly change maps until you enter an instance with raid the raiders or remorahaz in Pass.
2. Check the timer. If its less than 10 min, it's no use anyway.
3. Max damage setup (artifacts, powers).
4. Pray to God.
5. PROFIT.
I got 2 gloves for my CW. For the first one did like 20 runs.
I know, I know. It's been 2 weeks of this, if not more. Just getting so tired of the grind .
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Okay..doing the script only increases your chances...it will not give you 100%. IT ONLY IMPROVES YOUR CHANCES OF AN EPIC DROP.
Then the RNG takes over.
ALSO MAKE SURE YOUR DOING THE RIGHT ENCOUNTERS...CURRENTLY THERE ARE ONLY 4 THAT DROP BLACK ICE GEAR...2 FOR EACH.
Your not gonna get the drops if your not doing the right encounters.
Yes I am getting tired of answering this same question.
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1) dude sitting at front of zone waiting for HE to spawn is as productive as
2) dude forming groups and actively demolishing content waiting for HE to spawn.
In the end, both those people will get gloves at the same expected time. It is suspicious to me as a design for a game. The reward for grinding is enchantments, but the reward for grinding is not productive in terms of your goals. You can't really advance yourself through work. You advance yourself through waiting to work and working briefly. It is kind of suspicious.
One could say it takes out the grind I suppose..
i have had it. Go screw your selves. I am sorry you did not play test at all on preview and now want to complain about the rng. Get over your entitled selves. Good luck and don"t bother asking me how things work
That's what I said a few pages back , you try to give them tips and they act like it's your fault they fail , dunno what all the fuss is about though , i'm not having any problems xD .
Cayapp appreciate the heads up but I spent considerble time on Mod 3 beta so I am aware of which encounters one needs to do to try for the black ice gloves and main hand....as are many of the others posting here that have essentially been getting nothing but some raw black ice maybe an uncommon crafting component as a reward for some time. Fustration is fast taking over which explains some of the sharp tempers players are heading towards. You had a decent run of good luck in the amount of gloves/weapons you recieved however you must admit that your run of good luck and that of some of the others are the exception to the rule and not the standard.
In addition, with the devs stating that an adjustment/hotfix is planned for next week to address encounter loot issues this leaves many of us who have done exactly as you have stated since launch and not one black ice equipment piece to show for the wasted time that the encounter loot issues many have brought up repeatedly since launch may finally be getting addressed correctly.
You've stated your getting tired of answering the same questions repeatedly which is understandable however by the same token the majority of players are quite frankly getting tired of running the needed encounters for black ice pieces since launch for nothing. As someone stated earlier, I think the main issue is the RNG is not coded to properly assign the correct loot % when numbers of participants exceed the minimum players needed...it may be something else rearing its head that no one has considered yet.
If you get your stuff from 1st raid, who will continue raiding ?
Keep raiding
ADD: Also to remind people, and as stated previously by another poster: Participate in what the Heroic is telling you to do. Just like with quests, read the tracker and perform the tasks. Whether it be to free a captive, revive a captive, etc, do that stuff too!
"Last request - microtransactions for alllll old skins for zen/weapon appearance changes, 500 zen to make ur wep glow the color/enchant you want it... You will make more off that one item than any other zen item ever made." freshour
"beckylunatic" Gateway AH should have column headers to sort by buyout, bid, end time, quantity, etc. These disappeared iirc with the module launch. It's obnoxious.
Can anyone tell me what HEs I should do to get the black ice gauntlets for a GF, and HOW I should do them best to have a high chance to get the gauntlets?
Thx.
Heh, yeah that's about what mine looks like except with a lot of gloves rather than orbs. I only have only gotten two orbs.
But then again I was there running these things in Preview too.
By observation, the drop mechanic reminds me a lot of Star Trek Online (another Cryptic property) fleet actions, where at the end of each you're scored on a number of factors: DPS, heals, tasks completed, etc (DPS is a major factor, but not everything when the score is computed). The top scoring tier (usually 1 or 2 people) gets 2 purple drops, second tier gets 1 purple, third gets 2 blues, and everybody else gets green vendor trash -- if you don't ever score top tier at some point, you can play all day and never get a purple drop.
If that is true, then once the top players unlock Kessell's Retreat and move on to farming that, then the competition should become less intense, and the rest of us would have a better chance.
Well I don't know about you, but I did the same thing earlier today similar crew and got a 180 Black Ice reward and a 5 item drop and one of the items was Gloves.
I'm looking at a 16K GS too and 7500 power, 2400 crit, 2000 arp... I hope I wasn't the other CW in there with you on that one.
I go with Vorpal too so we're at least close enough, though I don't know since the power rework how 1000 less power stacks up, but even if that was the case and power is just an overwhelming advantage now, you'd still at least be able to keep close on it.
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More grinding, more grinding. C'mon, Cryptic! Let's fix this drop rate!
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"Last request - microtransactions for alllll old skins for zen/weapon appearance changes, 500 zen to make ur wep glow the color/enchant you want it... You will make more off that one item than any other zen item ever made." freshour
"beckylunatic" Gateway AH should have column headers to sort by buyout, bid, end time, quantity, etc. These disappeared iirc with the module launch. It's obnoxious.
If I was thinking of how to address my criticism though I think a unique MMO system could have worked here:
1) Denizens of IWD Rage bar. On the right of the screen is a thermometer style graphic (not a theremometer but that idea).
2) Doing HE in a zone fills the bar. The bigger the HE the bigger the fill.
3) It decays with time and zoning empties it completely. Anyone playing at slow but steady pace should be able to cap it.
4) If a epic raid encounter spawns while it is full you have a significantly increased chance of a glove drop for participating. A quite high chance if it is full (1/3rdish) and almost zero chance if it was completely empty.
So the idea is you camp a zone doing the HE and fill your rage bar. As opposed to camping the front of the zone or hopping all around or otherwise not actually playing the action adventure game. The chance should be high as I anticipate without the zerg force eagerly hopping from zone to zone that it might be more difficult to actually do the encounter. Plus the luck involved with getting everything to line up, and plus maybe this system would reward social organization. People that will come help even if that means their rage bar is zero.
i NEVER equip heal-only spells, i debuff using divine glow, most of the time (not always) i ignore secondary objectives (got my 3rd pair ignoring everything else and just putting astral shield/divine glow on rhemo whenever he spawned)... my dc uses burning guidance tho, i use HG whenever possible and i also have a vanguard banner that i drop in the early part of the fight...
gauntlets can drop anywhere, (tho rhemo has by far the highest chance), my cw for example got them from a yeti rampage... all my mainhands are from prospector attack-encounters...
despite me having no problem getting that stuff, for whatever reason, i agree that current the system sucks...
i would like to run kessel with my guildmates now, but i cant... because
1. they dont have gauntlets and/or
2. even with 2 pieces of t3 gear they are not allowed to enter, because (holy mother****ing surprise) its bugged...
1) HE's are swamped now because people are doing whatever they can to get the gloves and enter KR.
2) Swamped HE's means far less of a chance of collected needed BI gear required to get in KR.
3) End result is a very demoralized player base.
GG, Cryptic.
PS: I cannot stand PVE grinds. Hence my bitterness.
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On your CW, did you try some of the funky control setups or normal AOE/damage setup CWs usually run?
normal aoe, coi on tab, steal time, shard, sudden storm, opressive force was my usual setup for encounters (eots, spell storm)... for the 'boss' part of encounters ice knife...
2. Check the timer. If its less than 10 min, it's no use anyway.
3. Max damage setup (artifacts, powers).
4. Pray to God.
5. PROFIT.
I got 2 gloves for my CW. For the first one did like 20 runs.
I know, I know. It's been 2 weeks of this, if not more. Just getting so tired of the grind .
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