I wrote potential chain stun... potential. I don't know if it's a lag issue where my ping is too high and/or teleport skill is handled diffrently than for instance repel. But I'm 100% certain, and I have played a lot, that sometimes I can't port between Impact shots.
My best guess is that players with super low ping can chain stun players with higher ping. Same as when I hang some people they come down just a little too fast for my follow ups to hit. Other players hang longer after my follow ups are out.
Otherwise I maybe spam port unsynced, even if I hammer it as fast as I can?
So yes, I'm 100% sure that sometimes Impact shots will hit me so fast that I can't port in-between. Please note, not <100%.
About "3. Classes not really affected (until they meet real top rogues)"
For instance, a well geared GF does not really care about medium geared rogues for two reasons:
1. They have high def, deflect and HP. If the medium rogue attacks they will enter the circle of stun and die.
2. The medium rogues chose not to attack them solo.
Please explain how that was a rant?
Your logic is flawed...
How do you know I'm not one of those who give rogues a hard time? You don't.
Just continue playing your rogue and tell yourself that it's your skill that puts you at third place in PUGs.
I play DC/TR/GWF/CW - and if any1 says a TR's balanced are totally out of his mind i easily destroy any1 and im not even "cookie cutter" built with him.
Only class that even give a challenge is another well played TR - DC/CW i easily kill as i usually take 60-70% of theyre health before then even have time to react (how any1 actually defending this by saying you can hear it comming makes me laugh).
To this i dont even have perfect Vorpal on my TR - yet.
I play DC/TR/GWF/CW - and if any1 says a TR's balanced are totally out of his mind i easily destroy any1 and im not even "cookie cutter" built with him.
Only class that even give a challenge is another well played TR - DC/CW i easily kill as i usually take 60-70% of theyre health before then even have time to react (how any1 actually defending this by saying you can hear it comming makes me laugh).
To this i dont even have perfect Vorpal on my TR - yet.
You obviously haven't faced good GF's or Sent GWF's then. And if you're saying LB can't be dodged you're not very smart...
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
If you defending TR's ability to shut down most classes - i dont think its me that is the dumb one.
TR's require greater vorpal or better BiS gear and good enchants to even do well in a premade environment. I am speaking about good players vs good players.
My GWF can /dance while TR repeatedly attacks me (with greater vorpal) and my regen ticks + unstoppable hp (feated) keep me alive forever. I have died one time to a TR and it was because I was standing in DF for fun and he had perf vorpal, 6 Gtene's, and I didn't interrupt his shocking fast enough. Any class can be great in a pug environment, I am top spot when I solo q 9/10 times and that is on my CW, TR, GF, and GWF. Maybe 5/10 on GWF as he has no damage but never dies.
If you get caught by a single prone a GOOD GF will kill you in 1 rotation, not to mention he probably has help nearby. If you get CC'd once without ItC up vs. good players you're dead. We're not talking about the 6k GS pvp daily grinders that you are matched up with in solo q.
In a premade environment TR is not OP, but instead NEEDS G. vorpal to even be an asset.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I play DC/TR/GWF/CW - and if any1 says a TR's balanced are totally out of his mind i easily destroy any1 and im not even "cookie cutter" built with him.
Only class that even give a challenge is another well played TR - DC/CW i easily kill as i usually take 60-70% of theyre health before then even have time to react (how any1 actually defending this by saying you can hear it comming makes me laugh).
To this i dont even have perfect Vorpal on my TR - yet.
Well then I suggest getting your ears checked or paying closer attention to what's going on around you. Listen to abacuser's video. You can hear the Lurker's Assault go off before the Rogue appears in front of him. You can hear the Shadow Strike before it lands. People aren't saying you can hear the Rogue tip-toeing up to someone, they are saying you can hear certain abilities being activated before they do anything. A big part of fighting a Rogue in stealth is the audio cues. Laugh all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it's true. If you like, I'll reference the times in the video where the abilities are activated by sound.
I can only assume that the people you fight have a much higher latency than you or don't know what is happening (ie. they panic or get confused) if you can hit them for 70% of their health every time before they do anything. I'm also wondering what their teammates are doing when you appear.
Finally, I doubt it's 70% of their health as well. In previous threads, abacuser rants about the threat of being one-shot constantly. When pressured about this statement, it changes to ~50%. When he links a video that supposedly shows how OP Rogues are, we see (and hear) the Rogue has to blow everything (including a daily) to kill him from 65% health.
In short, your story doesn't add up coffola. There's no way to tell if there's a big gear difference between you and the people you fight, there's no way to tell how bad their connections are and these opponents don't read as if they know what they are doing. I'm quite confident that a large part of your success as a Rogue is down to other people not knowing. Why? Because every other person I've questioned about how OP Rogues are ends up hinting at other factors (in your case it would be not listening for cues) contributing to their deaths other than just getting ROFLSTOMPED by some supposed godlike entity.
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booman666Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 25Arc User
edited August 2013
Well you guys complain about TRs in pvp its true when u go pug match it is like that TRs kill all they meet becouse in pug games people mostly not skilled or they cant play together and pvp here is 5v5 not 1v1 and anyway top pvp TRs will probably kill u but they uselless in pve no damage against pure pve TRs but your complains mostly affecting pve not pvp as you can see this game lacks something like wow arenas there u can can see skill but in battlegrounds where most of people random u will never have balanced fights and aswell really skilled pvp CW can beat TR so easy that TR wont even move and one more thing pvp in this game is made for fun as u can see u get no good items or rewards from pvp at all and aswell in pvp gear u will do no damage aswell only u will have is tons of HP so any pve player will kill you so till there will be some ranked pvp + really good pvp rewards which u will actually use and not sell there is no point of pvp at all and it should not be affecting players in pve which always loose coz of those stupid threads made by people which only waste their time. (If you want good pvp guys go play something like battlefield or counter strike.....)
Your name, King Clueless (that is how it's pronounced?), really suits you.
Everyone from when they were young knows that any game or competition must be balanced to be fun.
Yes, I resent the rogues exploiting their abilities like that. They bring little to the table for their team and offer a very unbalanced game for the opponents. It's better being AFK.
Or, did I just step on your toes? Don't tell me you are one of them rogues?
Seriously making fun of my forum name?? How old are you? 2, 8, 10?? ROFL! I already knew you were childish because of your posts and this post just proves it more. Your posts including this one are rather funny because of the childishness.
TRs using their abilities the way they are designed is exploiting? ROFL! Then that means you were exploiting your abilities in the video.
You bring very little to a team using the attacks you were using in the video. CWs are made to do mob damage. You were attacking single players like a TR instead of doing attacks that hurt several on the opposite team.
You attack TRs in your posts and want them nerfed yet you were killed easily by a GF. The TR had to basically throw everything at you to kill you. You are the more clueless and stupid one because your own video shows it. Every class has its advantages and disadvantages. There is not a single juggernaut class that can do everything.
Blind people like you forget that every class will be nerfed in the name of *balance* if nerfs occur again. People blinded by being biased like you will slowly destroy this game more and more until doing anything in PVE is a waste of time. ROFL! Thanks for the laughs child!
Every class has advantages and disadvantages. Learn the disadvantages of you class to overcome them. Learn the advantages of your class and the disadvatages of other classes to use them in pvp to win.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
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kingculexMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Abacuser will still be crying even if he rolled a GF or GWF.
Every class has advantages and disadvantages. Learn the disadvantages of you class to overcome them. Learn the advantages of your class and the disadvatages of other classes to use them in pvp to win.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
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kingculexMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
1. I'm probably older than you so grow up!
2. I don't play PVE in this game unless I'm forced to.
3. Read what this thread is about. You never go full HAMSTER like you just did.
EDIT: 4. You really shouldn't have skipped those classes in school. It makes the content of what you write less trustworthy.
Seems like you should take your own advice and grow up. King Clueless??? LOL Like I have not heard that a thousand times. Go back to school if you think my name is pronounced King Clueless. ROFL!!!
Every class has advantages and disadvantages. Learn the disadvantages of you class to overcome them. Learn the advantages of your class and the disadvatages of other classes to use them in pvp to win.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
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kingculexMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
You agree that its ridicules to nerf a class because of PVP and yet you cry for TRs to be nerfed because of PVP. Nice flip flop. You are simply a foolish individual who is crying over being killed sometimes in PVP by TRs. Your own video shows you are a decent player and really have no reason to be crying. Your own video shows that the game is balanced because the TR had to throw everything at you to kill you. It is clear you need to improve your skills if it bothers you so much that TRs kill you. Granted you will probably run from this game like all the other ones you claimed to have played and probably sucked at. Have a nice day.
Every class has advantages and disadvantages. Learn the disadvantages of you class to overcome them. Learn the advantages of your class and the disadvatages of other classes to use them in pvp to win.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
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My best guess is that players with super low ping can chain stun players with higher ping. Same as when I hang some people they come down just a little too fast for my follow ups to hit. Other players hang longer after my follow ups are out.
Otherwise I maybe spam port unsynced, even if I hammer it as fast as I can?
So yes, I'm 100% sure that sometimes Impact shots will hit me so fast that I can't port in-between. Please note, not <100%.
About "3. Classes not really affected (until they meet real top rogues)"
For instance, a well geared GF does not really care about medium geared rogues for two reasons:
1. They have high def, deflect and HP. If the medium rogue attacks they will enter the circle of stun and die.
2. The medium rogues chose not to attack them solo.
Please explain how that was a rant?
Your logic is flawed...
How do you know I'm not one of those who give rogues a hard time? You don't.
Just continue playing your rogue and tell yourself that it's your skill that puts you at third place in PUGs.
Bye, bye, take care, cya...
Only class that even give a challenge is another well played TR - DC/CW i easily kill as i usually take 60-70% of theyre health before then even have time to react (how any1 actually defending this by saying you can hear it comming makes me laugh).
To this i dont even have perfect Vorpal on my TR - yet.
You obviously haven't faced good GF's or Sent GWF's then. And if you're saying LB can't be dodged you're not very smart...
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
If you defending TR's ability to shut down most classes - i dont think its me that is the dumb one.
TR's require greater vorpal or better BiS gear and good enchants to even do well in a premade environment. I am speaking about good players vs good players.
My GWF can /dance while TR repeatedly attacks me (with greater vorpal) and my regen ticks + unstoppable hp (feated) keep me alive forever. I have died one time to a TR and it was because I was standing in DF for fun and he had perf vorpal, 6 Gtene's, and I didn't interrupt his shocking fast enough. Any class can be great in a pug environment, I am top spot when I solo q 9/10 times and that is on my CW, TR, GF, and GWF. Maybe 5/10 on GWF as he has no damage but never dies.
If you get caught by a single prone a GOOD GF will kill you in 1 rotation, not to mention he probably has help nearby. If you get CC'd once without ItC up vs. good players you're dead. We're not talking about the 6k GS pvp daily grinders that you are matched up with in solo q.
In a premade environment TR is not OP, but instead NEEDS G. vorpal to even be an asset.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Well then I suggest getting your ears checked or paying closer attention to what's going on around you. Listen to abacuser's video. You can hear the Lurker's Assault go off before the Rogue appears in front of him. You can hear the Shadow Strike before it lands. People aren't saying you can hear the Rogue tip-toeing up to someone, they are saying you can hear certain abilities being activated before they do anything. A big part of fighting a Rogue in stealth is the audio cues. Laugh all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it's true. If you like, I'll reference the times in the video where the abilities are activated by sound.
I can only assume that the people you fight have a much higher latency than you or don't know what is happening (ie. they panic or get confused) if you can hit them for 70% of their health every time before they do anything. I'm also wondering what their teammates are doing when you appear.
Finally, I doubt it's 70% of their health as well. In previous threads, abacuser rants about the threat of being one-shot constantly. When pressured about this statement, it changes to ~50%. When he links a video that supposedly shows how OP Rogues are, we see (and hear) the Rogue has to blow everything (including a daily) to kill him from 65% health.
In short, your story doesn't add up coffola. There's no way to tell if there's a big gear difference between you and the people you fight, there's no way to tell how bad their connections are and these opponents don't read as if they know what they are doing. I'm quite confident that a large part of your success as a Rogue is down to other people not knowing. Why? Because every other person I've questioned about how OP Rogues are ends up hinting at other factors (in your case it would be not listening for cues) contributing to their deaths other than just getting ROFLSTOMPED by some supposed godlike entity.
My TR has no issues vs GFs or GWFs, it is apparently your low geared TR is the one having issues
Seriously making fun of my forum name?? How old are you? 2, 8, 10?? ROFL! I already knew you were childish because of your posts and this post just proves it more. Your posts including this one are rather funny because of the childishness.
TRs using their abilities the way they are designed is exploiting? ROFL! Then that means you were exploiting your abilities in the video.
You bring very little to a team using the attacks you were using in the video. CWs are made to do mob damage. You were attacking single players like a TR instead of doing attacks that hurt several on the opposite team.
You attack TRs in your posts and want them nerfed yet you were killed easily by a GF. The TR had to basically throw everything at you to kill you. You are the more clueless and stupid one because your own video shows it. Every class has its advantages and disadvantages. There is not a single juggernaut class that can do everything.
Blind people like you forget that every class will be nerfed in the name of *balance* if nerfs occur again. People blinded by being biased like you will slowly destroy this game more and more until doing anything in PVE is a waste of time. ROFL! Thanks for the laughs child!
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
Abacuser will still be crying even if he rolled a GF or GWF.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
Seems like you should take your own advice and grow up. King Clueless??? LOL Like I have not heard that a thousand times. Go back to school if you think my name is pronounced King Clueless. ROFL!!!
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
You agree that its ridicules to nerf a class because of PVP and yet you cry for TRs to be nerfed because of PVP. Nice flip flop. You are simply a foolish individual who is crying over being killed sometimes in PVP by TRs. Your own video shows you are a decent player and really have no reason to be crying. Your own video shows that the game is balanced because the TR had to throw everything at you to kill you. It is clear you need to improve your skills if it bothers you so much that TRs kill you. Granted you will probably run from this game like all the other ones you claimed to have played and probably sucked at. Have a nice day.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)