WOW, well a lot of people are gonna be happy about this. I'm not one of them. If the TR class becomes this bad, and this patch does go LIVE. I may actually stop playing Neverwinter...I don't like easy mode GWF with Pu$$ie immortality builds. I'v spent a lot of cash on this game, and was thinking about spending alot more, but if you're doing this to my class then you wont receive another dime
I don't PvP either. Never have in any MMO. So my 2 TRs are going to be screwed in PvE now
Who the **** beside you cares with out PvP this MMO would have ben dead and gone PvP is lasting Content and most people spend money on this game to PvP the P2W people and with out ther money and The PvP this game wuld have gone down hill faster then jack fell off it
Who the **** beside you cares with out PvP this MMO would have ben dead and gone PvP is lasting Content and most people spend money on this game to PvP the P2W people and with out ther money and The PvP this game wuld have gone down hill faster then jack fell off it
Keep telling yourself that one day it might be true. So pr0 bro.
the ability to abuse stealth in pvp is still there...
Yes, it is, going to head over to the preview shard and rework my build after testing the current one. I'm going to check out Saboteur which I would never consider touching beyond the first row and gloaming cut with I loathe.
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jihancritiasMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The TR's damage is insulting, and should be nerfed, like the stealth. But this seems too much, I think the daily should not be touched
Of course rogue's damage is supposed to be high. Two rolls out of aoe and you're out of stamina, and HAMSTER defense. Rogues have to have high damage to do ANY damage. Perma-stealth is what needed to be nerfed. Not dropping the amount of charges on cloud of steel (stupid cd), not taking stealth when you use at wills (turns df to HAMSTER even more), and definitely not nerfing lurker's assault. How dumb can they be? LA is the only daily that doesn't suck for rogues.
I feel bad for any rogues left playing after this goes live. Now everyone gets to respec again and reenchant everything to cope. More money thrown at PW. Good job pvp whiners.
Now I'm pretty glad I quit a week ago. I had hoped to come back when true balances and fixes were implemented. More content as well. I won't waste another minute on this pos game, unless it's to give everything away to someone.
Who the **** beside you cares with out PvP this MMO would have ben dead and gone PvP is lasting Content and most people spend money on this game to PvP the P2W people and with out ther money and The PvP this game wuld have gone down hill faster then jack fell off it
It is PvP that is killing the game. If it wasn't for PvP we would not be getting these nerfs.
Tene procs are unlikely to get nerfed, because they're a motivator for buying ZEN. (Of course, they may eventually get nerfed once they've been milked for that for a while -- but timely nerfs? No, I expect that those won't be happening.)
Heavy handed nerfs are likely, because they're a motivator for buying respec tokens or for trying the next FOTM class, which may result in more purchasing of ZEN to get Stones and other such things for the characters.
Follow the money. Heh.
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bozxxMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 25Arc User
It is PvP that is killing the game. If it wasn't for PvP we would not be getting these nerfs.
Leave now....
[Tell] From [Click]: I know I'm the best but I don't go around saying that
[Tell] From [Click]: I hate how you think you're amazing at this game and think everyone else sucks
Moved from the general forums.... what the heck. This belongs on the general forums
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arcyziomal1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 5Arc User
edited July 2013
U Sir should pay a visit to psychiatrist or u can live in ur rainbow ponies world.....@maxillion2
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shiaikaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
PvPers frakking PvErs again (as predicted long before release). I should have gone for GF as main instead of TR for my PvE experience (which is the only one as I do 0 PvP).
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hosdaveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 19Arc User
edited July 2013
I think you're going too far. Please reconsider the at-will powers using stealth. If you are concerned about the "perma" (long term) stealth abusers then you need to do something about the passive the refills stealth on use of a daily or the encounter power that refills the bar.
Please reconsider these changes as this will significantly impact my enjoyment of this game and I will take my money elsewhere.
By all means reduce the amount of daggers and the LA I can live without that but we're a stealth class now you want us in stealth even less....and as for the people that play TR and don't want to go perma stealth they'll spend a whole 2 seconds in stealth....whats the point in having a stealth class in the game...give me a pew pew easy 1 shot ranger class instead. lol
(It is allowed to wave a swastika[HAMSTER flag] flag all over the world BUT in germany) there's HAMSTER themed pubs and restaurants in singapore. Foreign movies showing swastikas are being edited for the german audience by replacing the swastikas with plain black crosses)
I started to play this game about a month ago, got a lvl 56 TR now, having fun with it, already feeling the previous nerfs.
Now they completely destroy rogues.
Neverwinter team, if you do this i will most definiately delete my account and advise all my friends not to play this game.
No, this is not a threat... How could i threaten you with this? Surely my place will be filled with useless SIEMURKS.
Noobs cry when a great player kills them in the most tricky class, company is afraid they will lose those **** players, as they are the biggest P2W-lover moneycows, so they NERF... Pathetic...
This game started nice, ends with my utter disdain.
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logansmith229Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 13Arc User
edited July 2013
+1 cryptic for destroying a class instead of actually balancing anything.
Meanwhile STR/DEX GF stacking regen and deflect are unkillable, Same story with full CON GWFs stacking regen.
Kill the stealth rogue, go ahead and make it so bait and switch doesnt give stealth back or whatever like that, but dont ****ing gut a class in both pvp and pve aspects of the game, 10/10 will not play again
Cloud of Steel: This power now has 8 maximum charges, down from 12.
Duelist's Flurry: When the bleed portion of this power is at 10 stacks, further applications now recalculate damage in addition to refreshing the duration.
Feat: Speed Swindle: This feat is now properly considered a Control effect for calculations and procs.
Lurker's Assault: This power now grants 5 / 10 / 15% bonus Crit Severity, instead of 20 / 40 / 60% bonus damage.
Stealth: At-will powers used from stealth will now partially deplete the Stealth Meter.
Holy moly. The nerf to LA is HUGE. 45% nerf to Crit severity? Why would you do that? It's freaking huge. If you want to nerf it, you should make it grant 15/30/45% crit severity. This is WAY too much.
Why would at-will powers deplete stealth meter? Another huge nerf. This isn't good. There is no reason for these nerfs.
adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
edited July 2013
This game does NOT revolve around PvP. You are completely ignoring the fact that this change will probably make rogues less effective in PvE, thus making boss fights harder and more tedious, reducing the enjoyment for everyone else.
I'm getting sick and tired of changes in the name of PvP "balance" which hurt the PvE aspects, which to me are what this game is really about.
I started to play this game about a month ago, got a lvl 56 TR now, having fun with it, already feeling the previous nerfs.
Now they completely destroy rogues.
Neverwinter team, if you do this i will most definiately delete my account and advise all my friends not to play this game.
No, this is not a threat... How could i threaten you with this? Surely my place will be filled with useless SIEMURKS.
Noobs cry when a great player kills them in the most tricky class, company is afraid they will lose those **** players, as they are the biggest P2W-lover moneycows, so they NERF... Pathetic...
This game started nice, ends with my utter disdain.
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Who the **** beside you cares with out PvP this MMO would have ben dead and gone PvP is lasting Content and most people spend money on this game to PvP the P2W people and with out ther money and The PvP this game wuld have gone down hill faster then jack fell off it
Keep telling yourself that one day it might be true. So pr0 bro.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
Yes, it is, going to head over to the preview shard and rework my build after testing the current one. I'm going to check out Saboteur which I would never consider touching beyond the first row and gloaming cut with I loathe.
Of course rogue's damage is supposed to be high. Two rolls out of aoe and you're out of stamina, and HAMSTER defense. Rogues have to have high damage to do ANY damage. Perma-stealth is what needed to be nerfed. Not dropping the amount of charges on cloud of steel (stupid cd), not taking stealth when you use at wills (turns df to HAMSTER even more), and definitely not nerfing lurker's assault. How dumb can they be? LA is the only daily that doesn't suck for rogues.
I feel bad for any rogues left playing after this goes live. Now everyone gets to respec again and reenchant everything to cope. More money thrown at PW. Good job pvp whiners.
Now I'm pretty glad I quit a week ago. I had hoped to come back when true balances and fixes were implemented. More content as well. I won't waste another minute on this pos game, unless it's to give everything away to someone.
PvE wise...
Welcome to ControlWizardNights Online
It is PvP that is killing the game. If it wasn't for PvP we would not be getting these nerfs.
Heavy handed nerfs are likely, because they're a motivator for buying respec tokens or for trying the next FOTM class, which may result in more purchasing of ZEN to get Stones and other such things for the characters.
Follow the money. Heh.
Leave now....
[Tell] From [Click]: I hate how you think you're amazing at this game and think everyone else sucks
Agreed...GTFO!
Please reconsider these changes as this will significantly impact my enjoyment of this game and I will take my money elsewhere.
OMG my god !
first we have grammer HAMSTER, now come the acronym HAMSTER!
WTF the fuq ?
"what the fck the fuq"
Really?
(im german, im allowed to be a HAMSTER
WOW.
I am only writing a second sentence because I need at least 10 letters.
LOL out loud !
(It is allowed to wave a swastika[HAMSTER flag] flag all over the world BUT in germany) there's HAMSTER themed pubs and restaurants in singapore. Foreign movies showing swastikas are being edited for the german audience by replacing the swastikas with plain black crosses)
ROFL floor laughing
Anyhow, can't wait till preview is up to do some math for a new stealth build that can save my TR if possible.
Now they completely destroy rogues.
Neverwinter team, if you do this i will most definiately delete my account and advise all my friends not to play this game.
No, this is not a threat... How could i threaten you with this? Surely my place will be filled with useless SIEMURKS.
Noobs cry when a great player kills them in the most tricky class, company is afraid they will lose those **** players, as they are the biggest P2W-lover moneycows, so they NERF... Pathetic...
This game started nice, ends with my utter disdain.
Meanwhile STR/DEX GF stacking regen and deflect are unkillable, Same story with full CON GWFs stacking regen.
Kill the stealth rogue, go ahead and make it so bait and switch doesnt give stealth back or whatever like that, but dont ****ing gut a class in both pvp and pve aspects of the game, 10/10 will not play again
Duelist's Flurry: When the bleed portion of this power is at 10 stacks, further applications now recalculate damage in addition to refreshing the duration.
Feat: Speed Swindle: This feat is now properly considered a Control effect for calculations and procs.
Lurker's Assault: This power now grants 5 / 10 / 15% bonus Crit Severity, instead of 20 / 40 / 60% bonus damage.
Stealth: At-will powers used from stealth will now partially deplete the Stealth Meter.
Holy moly. The nerf to LA is HUGE. 45% nerf to Crit severity? Why would you do that? It's freaking huge. If you want to nerf it, you should make it grant 15/30/45% crit severity. This is WAY too much.
Why would at-will powers deplete stealth meter? Another huge nerf. This isn't good. There is no reason for these nerfs.
Cloud of Steel is an okay one.
I'm getting sick and tired of changes in the name of PvP "balance" which hurt the PvE aspects, which to me are what this game is really about.
Now they completely destroy rogues.
Neverwinter team, if you do this i will most definiately delete my account and advise all my friends not to play this game.
No, this is not a threat... How could i threaten you with this? Surely my place will be filled with useless SIEMURKS.
Noobs cry when a great player kills them in the most tricky class, company is afraid they will lose those **** players, as they are the biggest P2W-lover moneycows, so they NERF... Pathetic...
This game started nice, ends with my utter disdain.