Tested a Sentinel Build on the Test server with 3 of my other Guildies. Control Wizard, Me as GWF, TR and Cleric. I was able to snap agro off the cleric or Wizard within seconds (barring they use Battlewise feat for CW and Soothe Feature for Cleric). My job as an Off-Tank Add support is what the Devs intended our role in this patch. IMO if you're not taking 1 of every class you will have a much harder time. In other words Working as Intended.
It makes me upset that my preferred role (DPS) in PvE is still pointless but at least I now know my intended role will get me grous and will help make my Cleric and Wizard friends much better at their roles.
Sounds really good, I might go back to Sentinel after all, just need to figure out some pvp friendly build.
edit: what's the new % on Initimidation?
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katbozejziemiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 856Arc User
edited June 2013
Instead of adding that dinky dash to Takedown, just make it hit multiple targets.
I really like the changes on the Sentinel build, but the "updates" on Unstoppable ... I really don't know, what I should think about it. Getting hitpoints is nice, sure, but I liked the dmg reduction and it doesn't ignore some movements effects now? Why? :-(
I really like the changes on the Sentinel build, but the "updates" on Unstoppable ... I really don't know, what I should think about it. Getting hitpoints is nice, sure, but I liked the dmg reduction and it doesn't ignore some movements effects now? Why? :-(
I was under the impression that we get temporary hit points on top of everything else.
I was under the impression that we get temporary hit points on top of everything else.
TBH, I dont know, still patching to test it, but on paper it doesn't sound like it.
Unstoppable: This power now grants temporary health based on how much Determination the player had when activating it.
EDIT: Maybe I get that wrong about movement buffs, if it was a bug, the a positiv buff was removed while active and now it no longer happens, that a good thing! SORRY!
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katbozejziemiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 856Arc User
That would make it so OP.. imagine AOE prone and with 8 seconds cooldown.
Yeah, sure. If by "OP" you mean "actually useful outside of PvP".
GWF has a staggering number of single target abilities considering their supposed role.
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The changes on our end sound decent, and I look forward to hearing more analysis of them from those taking the time to test them out... And for that I thank you, as I personally do not have the time to do so.
One thing in particular, from the listing, I was under the impression that Unstoppable was being given Temporary Hitpoints on top of what it normally did... Really hope it is not replacing any of it's current effects.
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katbozejziemiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 856Arc User
edited June 2013
By the way, speaking of Unstoppable, did you know about this?
If only this was true.
I knew my class would be GWF by the time i saw Reaver encounter on that video (and come on, a Yurnero Style whirlwind/Omnislash was too good to be true, that was the next big hit, since instead of whirlwind i have to use a HAMSTER wave). It is a ***** to never actually taste it. Started playing less than 1 month ago, no idea when or why it was removed (considered OP I guess, but it was a pretty sad moment when i realized there wasnt in game
EDIT :
So I watched the video again after 4-5 months or so, and lol.....I want to be the "Disciple of Rage on the field of battle,using a massive two handed weapon with incredible skill and DEADLY result" .I want what I promised, unless the announcer wanted to say "Disciple of Fartwaves on the field of instakicked, using a massive two handed noodle with hilarious skill and NO result"
"You resist 25-50% of incoming damage based on how much Determination you had."
So is this ^^^^ not true anymore? Did they really remove the damage resist from Unstoppable? We are going to be dead in PvP before Unstoppable even ends now lol.
"You resist 25-50% of incoming damage based on how much Determination you had."
So is this ^^^^ not true anymore? Did they really remove the damage resist from Unstoppable? We are going to be dead in PvP before Unstoppable even ends now lol.
That would be a shame, although popping unstoppable at 10% and then getting 50% of your max hp as temp hit points > 50% damage reduction. Using it at max hit points doesn't sound as promising, but I guess the main motive behind the change (if it is a change) is to make leveling less painful (or potion / cleric companion heavy).
I'd much rather have the damage reduction, we are going to get smashed in PvE and PvP alike now.
Leveling wasn't that painful at all, didn't really have a issue.
The people having those problems (potion chugging & dying a lot in PvE questing / leveling) are the people not moving around in combat and getting clobbered, standing in the red spots, and getting surrounded and combat advantaged to death.
Those people are going to have it even worse now, they are going to die before Unstoppable even ends now, lol.
I'm interested to see how bad the forums get after these changes lol.
Gotta say I'm enjoying the gwf changes so far. Ran FH a little bit ago and had 10 mil damage before the last boss, and we skipped the 2nd boss. Bummed out about the savage advance fix, though.
I'd much rather have the damage reduction, we are going to get smashed in PvE and PvP alike now
I can understand PvE where you get constant healing, but PvP? Math does not add up.
Base hp -> Effective hp Before / After
100% -> 200% / 100% -> 150% [pretty much never happens in PvP]
50% -> 100% / 50% -> 100%
10% -> 60% / 10% -> 20%
That's assuming full duration benefit. By the time you can use unstoppable with full bar of determination in PvP you will be at best at 2/3 of hp bar. I'll wait and see and hopefully get on the test shard to test it out, till then I'll withhold judgement, but it doesn't really look like end of the world at all to me.
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ioannides5Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
Can we get a little bit back on topic... My original post was more towards the idea that they're buffing sentinel and instigator at-wills, but not even touching destroyer at wills. I don't wanna be forced out of the destroyer tree (which i love playing), because they make it not viable..
Destroyer did get buffed, and it's always been a tree more focused on encounter damage than at-will. You don't have to use or even spec into reaping strike, just use Wicked Strike with WMS and you're fine if AOE dps is what you want to do. You won't have the bonus that Instigator has, but then again Instigator can't have Student of the Sword, Deep Gash and Great Weapon Focus all at once - they have to pick 2 of 3, and they are all big at-will boosts.
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Destroyer did get buffed, and it's always been a tree more focused on encounter damage than at-will. You don't have to use or even spec into reaping strike, just use Wicked Strike with WMS and you're fine if AOE dps is what you want to do. You won't have the bonus that Instigator has, but then again Instigator can't have Student of the Sword, Deep Gash and Great Weapon Focus all at once - they have to pick 2 of 3, and they are all big at-will boosts.
Point is, reaping strike is the encounter ment to be used with destroyer (along WMS). If they're going to buff SS and WS, they should buff reaping strike as well, all they're doing is making reaping strike completely non-viable (as if most people didn't already absolutely hate the at-will already)
Point is, reaping strike is the encounter ment to be used with destroyer (along WMS). If they're going to buff SS and WS, they should buff reaping strike as well, all they're doing is making reaping strike completely non-viable (as if most people didn't already absolutely hate the at-will already)
Reaping Strike is an option for Destroyer, it's not mandatory by any means. WS and SS got buffed because they were lackluster, I read 0 posts about Reaping Strike doing not enough damage (I did read about it being useless due to hindering your movement, which is the reason why it's not going to be on my bars for a long time).
Any idea if the 'new' Unstoppable is better then the 'old' Unstoppable? Basically is the additional HPs better then the Damage Reduction?
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mellinthMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 23Arc User
edited June 2013
Everything is fine.
Edit: For clarification, this screenshot was taken on the preview shard just a few minutes ago. The screenshot you guys saw earlier and that caused all this confusion was from closed beta.
Although I must say the "When Unstoppable ends you heal yourself for Up To 25% of your max hitpoints" thing someone posted a screenshot of on the last page did sound pretty sweet, haha.
Would have probably been OP if they added that on top of what that tooltip already says though. lol
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Sounds really good, I might go back to Sentinel after all, just need to figure out some pvp friendly build.
edit: what's the new % on Initimidation?
That would make it so OP.. imagine AOE prone and with 8 seconds cooldown.
Not atm... you need to use AD or you have a respec token when you transfered over.
I was under the impression that we get temporary hit points on top of everything else.
TBH, I dont know, still patching to test it, but on paper it doesn't sound like it.
Unstoppable: This power now grants temporary health based on how much Determination the player had when activating it.
EDIT: Maybe I get that wrong about movement buffs, if it was a bug, the a positiv buff was removed while active and now it no longer happens, that a good thing! SORRY!
Yeah, sure. If by "OP" you mean "actually useful outside of PvP".
GWF has a staggering number of single target abilities considering their supposed role.
This is how I'm specced currently, I just hit 60 a few days ago, having a blast so far, can't wait to see how I perform after the patch.
Hopefully Daring Shout is worth using with the Intimidation feat, it was very underwhelming and weak compared to the similar ability Roar.
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One thing in particular, from the listing, I was under the impression that Unstoppable was being given Temporary Hitpoints on top of what it normally did... Really hope it is not replacing any of it's current effects.
If only this was true.
EDIT :
So I watched the video again after 4-5 months or so, and lol.....I want to be the "Disciple of Rage on the field of battle,using a massive two handed weapon with incredible skill and DEADLY result" .I want what I promised, unless the announcer wanted to say "Disciple of Fartwaves on the field of instakicked, using a massive two handed noodle with hilarious skill and NO result"
So is this ^^^^ not true anymore? Did they really remove the damage resist from Unstoppable? We are going to be dead in PvP before Unstoppable even ends now lol.
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That would be a shame, although popping unstoppable at 10% and then getting 50% of your max hp as temp hit points > 50% damage reduction. Using it at max hit points doesn't sound as promising, but I guess the main motive behind the change (if it is a change) is to make leveling less painful (or potion / cleric companion heavy).
Leveling wasn't that painful at all, didn't really have a issue.
The people having those problems (potion chugging & dying a lot in PvE questing / leveling) are the people not moving around in combat and getting clobbered, standing in the red spots, and getting surrounded and combat advantaged to death.
Those people are going to have it even worse now, they are going to die before Unstoppable even ends now, lol.
I'm interested to see how bad the forums get after these changes lol.
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Imagine Frontline Surge, which does more damage, has a ranged component, and has a longer duration when feated.
GWF is still a second class citizen.
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First strike of Sure Strike on live: 649 damage
First strike of Sure Strike on test: 802 damage
Which means Sure Strike was buffed by about ~24%.
I can understand PvE where you get constant healing, but PvP? Math does not add up.
Base hp -> Effective hp Before / After
100% -> 200% / 100% -> 150% [pretty much never happens in PvP]
50% -> 100% / 50% -> 100%
10% -> 60% / 10% -> 20%
That's assuming full duration benefit. By the time you can use unstoppable with full bar of determination in PvP you will be at best at 2/3 of hp bar. I'll wait and see and hopefully get on the test shard to test it out, till then I'll withhold judgement, but it doesn't really look like end of the world at all to me.
Point is, reaping strike is the encounter ment to be used with destroyer (along WMS). If they're going to buff SS and WS, they should buff reaping strike as well, all they're doing is making reaping strike completely non-viable (as if most people didn't already absolutely hate the at-will already)
Reaping Strike is an option for Destroyer, it's not mandatory by any means. WS and SS got buffed because they were lackluster, I read 0 posts about Reaping Strike doing not enough damage (I did read about it being useless due to hindering your movement, which is the reason why it's not going to be on my bars for a long time).
Everything is fine.
Edit: For clarification, this screenshot was taken on the preview shard just a few minutes ago. The screenshot you guys saw earlier and that caused all this confusion was from closed beta.
Awesome, thanks for the update!
Nice, Thanks.
Although I must say the "When Unstoppable ends you heal yourself for Up To 25% of your max hitpoints" thing someone posted a screenshot of on the last page did sound pretty sweet, haha.
Would have probably been OP if they added that on top of what that tooltip already says though. lol
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