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To the boy who cries 'nerf' and the devs that listen
yerune
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Please don't.
I just spotted a dev-post stating they would take player-feedback into consideration for class-balancing.
But as far as I can tell, there hasn't been any player-feedback on these forums. What there is in abundance, are posts of people that cry 'nerf'.
- they only provide anecdotal 'evidence' (I got oneshot killed by that class, so it must be OP)
- they compare skills without playing the class (Class X can CC, crit, heal, fly, do one-handed-backflips and I can't, so X is OP)
- they play PvP solo (just try to look for the word 'team' in their posts, it won't be there, it's all about "I lost to X, nerf X"
- their experience with PvP is (sometimes) below level 60, where balance is just messed up due to upscaling, not OPness of any one class.
So, to the boys, please, if you really think a class is OP, proof it. Logs, screenshots and play the class yourself.
To the devs, please don't consider the vocal minority's personal grievances as a solid base for class-balance.
There will always be greener grass on the lawn of another class, and no shortage of herde to moan about it.
I just spotted a dev-post stating they would take player-feedback into consideration for class-balancing.
But as far as I can tell, there hasn't been any player-feedback on these forums. What there is in abundance, are posts of people that cry 'nerf'.
- they only provide anecdotal 'evidence' (I got oneshot killed by that class, so it must be OP)
- they compare skills without playing the class (Class X can CC, crit, heal, fly, do one-handed-backflips and I can't, so X is OP)
- they play PvP solo (just try to look for the word 'team' in their posts, it won't be there, it's all about "I lost to X, nerf X"
- their experience with PvP is (sometimes) below level 60, where balance is just messed up due to upscaling, not OPness of any one class.
So, to the boys, please, if you really think a class is OP, proof it. Logs, screenshots and play the class yourself.
To the devs, please don't consider the vocal minority's personal grievances as a solid base for class-balance.
There will always be greener grass on the lawn of another class, and no shortage of herde to moan about it.
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http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?200182-Sticky-Please-Currently-bugged-broken-GF-powers-amp-feats
Did you know i'm a real life mentalist. I'm going to work out with my mind what class you play.
Give me a moment
Is it a Rogue!
to op- I don't know why you bother denying how unbalanced pvp is, no one has to waste their time screen shotting every time a rogue crits for 30k, or when a CW instagibs someone with an easy to pull combo or the fact that teams with a cleric facing one without a cleric is almost going to always win. Defense is useless in pvp and damage in general is just way too high and too many people don't find games that have pvp systems that involves killing someone in 1~4 hits enjoyable. There is a reason why in many games damage is toned down and cool downs are increased for pvp specifically. Rewards in pvp aren't even balanced either.
If more than one sentence is hard to comprehend I'll summarise for you: Collate factual proof taken outside of a solo context, then post your findings for the dev team to look at.
They have access to all the numbers and obviously they're not going to tweak class balance based on people just crying nerf with no evidence at all
The bad part about this is, anyone getting a nerf ain't getting a nerf i pvp only... It carries through to pve in 90% of the cases.. So think about that too when whining..
"- they play PvP solo (just try to look for the word 'team' in their posts, it won't be there, it's all about "I lost to X, nerf X"
{Quote by: yerune} And a very poignant, truthful quote.
Nerfing is just another way to mess up a good game. How about instead of going backwards and nerfing, look forward and do something proactive in order to obtain what is perceived as "balanced", if really necessary.
Actually, it's the skirmishes which are pointless to play if rewards are what you're looking for.
I don't play a DPS class and I agree with the OP. The answer shouldn't always be a nerf.
They could take a moment or two to help out the GF though...
Agree.. Know what I do when I realize another class is better than mine? Re-roll. If only all ppl did that instead of whine
Instead you waste your time whining about it? How is that more productive than supplying actual footage and data?
I'm not saying the classes are perfect and balanced, some need more tweaking than others. But please, NOT based on hearsay and biased frustration.
And yes, the devs read. I'm just worried what they'll do with it.
To the others, thanks for the support. Facerolling the berfbat is bad for everyone.
The opposite is also true. Constantly buffing classes leads to power creep but doing nothing leads to no one playing those underpowered classes.
And that's the worst possible end result of this.
Providing evidence is great and all but it's not always realistic when it comes to balance. You could do video about how long you can CC someone or how much you can crit, and stuff like that. But balance is much more complex and it can't all be captured in a video. Numbers would help but good stats are extremely difficult to produce unless the developer provides them.
If it feels wrong and a lot of people agree that it feels wrong, then it probably is wrong. Not everything can or should be just about raw data.
- Balancing classes should not be based only on PVP. PVE is a major part of this game and at this point it is where the major class fixes should be focused on in order to make every class able to perform it's role correctly.
- This game is not really about class power but about it's part in a team. Everything important here happens in teams after all. If they try to make everyone more and more powerful/weaker to balance things out the game will fail. Instead they should try to make the classes better and better into their role (sometimes it may even mean weaking them a little in one area and upgrading them in an other).
- I don't think any class needs nerfing, I think GF and GWF just need some balance to what their are supposed to do. But that may also be mostly a different kind of problem (argo issues).
- Something a lot of people don't seem to realize is that pvp is not about kills, it's domination. Well, for now anyway. Unfortunatelly that means that teamwork is critical to win.
- Again, I don't think there should be balance based on power but if that was the case, they shouldn't all be equal anyway. A rogue should be able to kill a wiz, a guardian should be able to kill a rogue etc etc.
Anyway my point is, I don't feel like there is a need for balance. I feel like some classes can't perform their role well enough and that's where the fixes should focus.
It's not that simple usually. If one class out of six is overpowered then the only rational solution is to nerf that one class. Otherwise you have to buff all of the other five classes equally, which is hard, and for PvE you have to also buff the content because everyone is suddenly more powerful. It just isn't practical at all.
OP must be a GF who wants his instawin class to stay super OP forever.
Maybe its that th devs cant design combat encounters worth **** and nearly half the classes are useless.