WIPE! with purchased zen refund (as fresh zen) into our accounts.
Needs to do more than that. They'll need to refund all the way back to people who transferred money in via the Zen Wallet system, else you bone people who traded their zen for AD.
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furist24Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 10Arc User
Let's say Cryptic does do a wipe. Do we call for a new full wipe the next time an exploit unbalances things? Because there is almost always a next time. It doesn't strike me as a good idea to punish those who had nothing to do with any of these exploiting messes.
I'm personally not that far in game a 45 two mid 20's and a 13, but a wipe would kill this game for me and a bunch of people I brought with me to play this. We tend to not mess with betas due to the wipe afterwards and decided to give this a go because of the no wipe note in the open beta news article.
Another problem with a wipe comes in the form of those who bought the lockbox keys. This would be exactly like someone winning a lottery and getting to play around with their winnings only to have it all taken back, told sorry and given new tickets. That doesn't strike me as a good idea. sure you have the Zen in your account. But to me that isn't much of a consolation prize.
Definitely a complete wipe, with Zen purchases being either refunded or the Zen given to the players who bought it after the wipe. The game is supposedly still in beta so I don't see why a wipe would be such a big deal.
Reasons they should
-Start over after exploit is fixed,
Reasons they will not do this
-They would have a big loss of players. No one wants to start over
-People that continue to play would most likely not continue to buy as much stuff as they would other wise due to fear of another exploit/Wipe.
If they do not wipe it they should at least rollback. My thought on is that rolling back would not be enough due some people that exploited before, not enough to get caught but enough to profit from it, might not be touched.
SERVERS SHOULD GO DOWN EITHER WAY TO PREVENT FURTHER PROBLEMS AND ANGER IF THEY DO EITHER.
No wipes, no rollbacks.
Ban the exploiting accounts, remove the AD and items made, slap on the wrist to everyone having bought the items that were clearly sold under a fair price (20g cat? lol no) and maybe return them their gold/AD or whatever.
If i loose my level 60 CW, i doubt i will be willing to level one back up again, i'll just kiss this game, and the 20
Needs to do more than that. They'll need to refund all the way back to people who transferred money in via the Zen Wallet system, else you bone people who traded their zen for AD.
I hate to say it, because I have (like every other respectable non-exploiting player) put in a good amount of time, but for the long term good of the game and those players who haven't even started playing yet we need to set things back to the beginning and do a wipe. Permanent bans to those who deserve them - even for those that only 'cheated a little' or whatever.
No matter what it is they choose, I do hope they let us know soon so I can decide whether or not to keep making progress.
I have spent zen on character slots, but they were zen I bought with astral diamonds (from the double ad weekend and the week after) so I suppose I would lose them if there was a wipe. Tricky situation and I don't envy pwi one bit.
Definitely a complete wipe, with Zen purchases being either refunded or the Zen given to the players who bought it after the wipe. The game is supposedly still in beta so I don't see why a wipe would be such a big deal.
I believe they stated when going to open beta there would be no wipes from this point on, Tho I agree.
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molivolMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited May 2013
I vote for wipe & ban, but not exp wipe. Reset all "earned AD" (from quests completed), remove all gear & all inventory, and replace it with some basic packs of potions, runes, and starting gear appropriate to our levels.
Roll-back only all the selling and buying in the action house and the zen market for the last 24-48 hours. Nothing else.
If you sold gear, you get them back and lose the diamonds you got for it. If you bought something you lose the stuff you bought, but get the diamonds back.
This will delete the mass exploiting and we can keep our stuff that we had. We just have to resell/rebuy it. All the XP/EXP would still be there and all the gear you picked up will also still be there. If you traded zen for diamonds it reverts and vice versa.
Then they just need to hunt down the exploiters and ban them and take the diamonds
Agreed on that. That's the solution to go for in my opinion.
As you said all stuff just returns and players only have to resell/rebuy items.
The problem I can see with this is if someone bought item(s) with diamonds and then gave away/traded the item(s) so another player has it, it can be hard to track down if the system don't log items with individual ID's.
The other problem I see are if the diamonds someone got from selling item(s) in auction are used so there is no/not enough diamonds to give back for the item(s) sold. But do it simple and just take all the diamonds available. The buyers are anyway the ppl who have exploited the glitch most I think.
Someone may have a suggestion that is better than this, but based on this principle. Please do write in this case, so we can get the best possible solution to this problem. The main thing is anyway that you are doing a rollback on just what happened on the Auction House for a suitable time (24-72h, that you see in the logs when the issue exploded).
I hate to say it, because I have (like every other respectable non-exploiting player) put in a good amount of time, but for the long term good of the game and those players who haven't even started playing yet we need to set things back to the beginning and do a wipe. Permanent bans to those who deserve them - even for those that only 'cheated a little' or whatever.
No matter what it is they choose, I do hope they let us know soon so I can decide whether or not to keep making progress.
I have spent zen on character slots, but they were zen I bought with astral diamonds (from the double ad weekend and the week after) so I suppose I would lose them if there was a wipe. What of the new characters I have made though? Tricky situation and I don't envy pwi one bit.
No way. It's their fault, and the time we put into this should be respected more than that. They can deal with it on a more specified basis without HAMSTER those who didn't exploit over to the max. A rollback would suffice.
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yagatonMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 1Arc User
Agreed on that. That's the solution to go for in my opinion.
As you said all stuff just returns and players only have to resell/rebuy items.
The problem I can see with this is if someone bought item(s) with diamonds and then gave away/traded the item(s) so another player has it, it can be hard to track down if the system don't log items with individual ID's.
The other problem I see are if the diamonds someone got from selling item(s) in auction are used so there is no/not enough diamonds to give back for the item(s) sold. But do it simple and just take all the diamonds available. The buyers are anyway the ppl who have exploited the glitch most I think.
Someone may have a suggestion that is better than this, but based on this principle. Please do write in this case, so we can get the best possible solution to this problem. The main thing is anyway that you are doing a rollback on just what happened on the Auction House for a suitable time (24-72h, that you see in the logs when the issue exploded).
Best regards
Tommy
I really don't think they CAN rollback like that...
Ban everyone playing the game! It's the only way to be sure!
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kaiserschmarrnMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 390
edited May 2013
No rollback, no wipe.
Ban the exploiters and their mule accounts and then live with it, the market will stabilize itself again in 1-2 weeks. Maybe introduce some AD sink for the super-rich who benefited from AH black-friday sale.
A rollback or wipe will satisfy the 3-400 people who vote in this poll (half of them probably don't even play and are just forum fighters) and will HAMSTER off thousands of casual players who even now have no idea what is going on and just want to enjoy the game.
frodinthroneMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 15Arc User
edited May 2013
Set up a brand-new shard with a separate economy that starts from scratch. Offer people who paid cash a choice to switch to the new economy, get locked out of the old one, and get all their stuff returned.
Fresh start for those who want it and anyone who wants to crawl around on a rotting corpse instead can also do so.
You can try and PERMA ban people but its a FREE game. Any donkey can set up BS email accounts so your never gonna fully ban these people.
I'm all for a FULL SCRUB of the servers. its still in OPEN BETA if people don't understand that Ohhhh well. I'd like to see cryptic let us keep us kept items from the cash shop but even still. its open beta.
Set up a brand-new shard with a separate economy that starts from scratch. Offer people who paid cash a choice to switch to the new economy, get locked out of the old one, and get all their stuff returned.
Fresh start for those who want it and anyone who wants to crawl around on a rotting corpse instead can also do so.
This option keeps being brought up. I'm pretty sure though, that all shards are being merged into ONE server at some point in the future?
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azurealfangMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 12Arc User
edited May 2013
I say do a complete wipe, their was way too many exploits, from the foundry to GF to dungeons bosses and now the AH, each of which messed up the economy in the game completely. This game literally went from a great game to and ****ty game in a matter of a couple weeks. It definitely won't bother me any to level a new character, I enjoyed questing, and hell I may even play a different class.
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jaer44Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 28Arc User
edited May 2013
The only way to ensure that all exploiters, illegal AD and items are taken care of is via a full wipe, with full fix instituted. All Zen purchased via real money would be refunded back to the Zen wallet. I posted in another thread that the ToS has a provision specifically for this type of issue.
While yes, a wipe overall would be bad initially for the people who have multiple lv. 60's, in the long run, it's the only way to ensure that the characters, items and economy remain stable.
Why bother with the wipe, the ones you want to punish are the exploiters and they have already cashed out. The gear that flooded the market is already bought, and the gold selling sites are going to keep spamming zone chat and and ingame mail.
A wipe just punishes people who worked hard to get what they have and will scare away more customers and add a PR nightmare. Maybe the game needs a wipe but it would be suicidal for the game.
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I'm personally not that far in game a 45 two mid 20's and a 13, but a wipe would kill this game for me and a bunch of people I brought with me to play this. We tend to not mess with betas due to the wipe afterwards and decided to give this a go because of the no wipe note in the open beta news article.
Another problem with a wipe comes in the form of those who bought the lockbox keys. This would be exactly like someone winning a lottery and getting to play around with their winnings only to have it all taken back, told sorry and given new tickets. That doesn't strike me as a good idea. sure you have the Zen in your account. But to me that isn't much of a consolation prize.
Reasons they should
-Start over after exploit is fixed,
Reasons they will not do this
-They would have a big loss of players. No one wants to start over
-People that continue to play would most likely not continue to buy as much stuff as they would other wise due to fear of another exploit/Wipe.
If they do not wipe it they should at least rollback. My thought on is that rolling back would not be enough due some people that exploited before, not enough to get caught but enough to profit from it, might not be touched.
SERVERS SHOULD GO DOWN EITHER WAY TO PREVENT FURTHER PROBLEMS AND ANGER IF THEY DO EITHER.
Ban the exploiting accounts, remove the AD and items made, slap on the wrist to everyone having bought the items that were clearly sold under a fair price (20g cat? lol no) and maybe return them their gold/AD or whatever.
If i loose my level 60 CW, i doubt i will be willing to level one back up again, i'll just kiss this game, and the 20
ah yeah + that!
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No matter what it is they choose, I do hope they let us know soon so I can decide whether or not to keep making progress.
I have spent zen on character slots, but they were zen I bought with astral diamonds (from the double ad weekend and the week after) so I suppose I would lose them if there was a wipe. Tricky situation and I don't envy pwi one bit.
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I believe they stated when going to open beta there would be no wipes from this point on, Tho I agree.
Agreed on that. That's the solution to go for in my opinion.
As you said all stuff just returns and players only have to resell/rebuy items.
The problem I can see with this is if someone bought item(s) with diamonds and then gave away/traded the item(s) so another player has it, it can be hard to track down if the system don't log items with individual ID's.
The other problem I see are if the diamonds someone got from selling item(s) in auction are used so there is no/not enough diamonds to give back for the item(s) sold. But do it simple and just take all the diamonds available. The buyers are anyway the ppl who have exploited the glitch most I think.
Someone may have a suggestion that is better than this, but based on this principle. Please do write in this case, so we can get the best possible solution to this problem. The main thing is anyway that you are doing a rollback on just what happened on the Auction House for a suitable time (24-72h, that you see in the logs when the issue exploded).
Best regards
Tommy
This. They seem to be taking this way to lightly. The servers should be down at this point for sure.
No way. It's their fault, and the time we put into this should be respected more than that. They can deal with it on a more specified basis without HAMSTER those who didn't exploit over to the max. A rollback would suffice.
I really don't think they CAN rollback like that...
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Ban the exploiters and their mule accounts and then live with it, the market will stabilize itself again in 1-2 weeks. Maybe introduce some AD sink for the super-rich who benefited from AH black-friday sale.
A rollback or wipe will satisfy the 3-400 people who vote in this poll (half of them probably don't even play and are just forum fighters) and will HAMSTER off thousands of casual players who even now have no idea what is going on and just want to enjoy the game.
Fresh start for those who want it and anyone who wants to crawl around on a rotting corpse instead can also do so.
I'm all for a FULL SCRUB of the servers. its still in OPEN BETA if people don't understand that Ohhhh well. I'd like to see cryptic let us keep us kept items from the cash shop but even still. its open beta.
This option keeps being brought up. I'm pretty sure though, that all shards are being merged into ONE server at some point in the future?
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While yes, a wipe overall would be bad initially for the people who have multiple lv. 60's, in the long run, it's the only way to ensure that the characters, items and economy remain stable.
A wipe just punishes people who worked hard to get what they have and will scare away more customers and add a PR nightmare. Maybe the game needs a wipe but it would be suicidal for the game.