Seeing the amount of feedback the developers have given this thread, and on WHAT they deemed to comment on, I get the heavy feeling that they really don't care a thing about what we think. Which means, the implementation will be going through. which means... this was a fun game *sigh*
Suggestion for bonding before it's too late (if it's not too late):
Keep the uptime at 100%, just adjust the % of stats given closer to the auguments (slightly higher, why? so people don't switch to auguments only). This way both will be viable and used.
50% uptime is not good and it makes to too messy to try and compensate. For example, I need to overstack Armor pen on my main character to make up for the fact that the ArP in my pet will only be up 50% of the time. If you "must" make a change to bondings, boost the augmented pets as planned to make them more attractive and slightly nerf the % of stats that bonding gives while maintaining 100% uptime on both augments and non-augments. People have spent millions of AD getting their bondings to rank 12 and their non-augment pets to epic and/or legendary and I don't want to see a big exodus of players in a game that I love, especially after you guys did such a great job on Mod 12. Being able to do dailies anytime during the week is a huge quality of life improvement for people with busy schedules and I've enjoyed the new dungeon a lot.
Who is actually asking for this bonding change? I mean, it seems to me the one thing I hear about over and over is "Get bonding stones to R12 right away. They are one of the single best investments in the game! You'll love them!"
Not once have I ever seen or heard anyone say that bonding stones suck - they're worthless and you shouldn't use them, because if you do, you will be sorry.
So I ask again - who; or what demographic is asking for this change? Did you have a focus group come in and determine that bonding stones are just too powerful? I would love to hear the logic behind this. The logic that explains the thought process behind this decision that reaches a conclusion where the players will be rewarded, if not in small measure, but rather punished for being so loyal.
Are you folks over at Cryptic having a good laugh over this, because the only conclusion I can reach is that you all have lost your minds.
As I write this, I am reminiscing about the countless hours I have spent getting my character where it is today. While frustrating at times; the hard work, research and time spent, the game achievements involved in getting there, is all for naught.
I feel like I have been fired from a job that I have been at for years for no apparent reason. It doesn't feel good, it hurts for awhile, and in some cases is embarrassing. So, you start over. You find yourself a new job and begin the process of working your way up again, only to realize that your last job sucked!
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mayathesoftMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 23Arc User
Hi, My suggestion pertains not only to this post. Could you please coordinate all offical items of change/annoucements in all neverwinter languages (beside US/EN, french, german, italian & russian if no other) so that they would be released at the same moment? This thread will be availabe (in FR) only tomorrow, since not all french speaking players understand english or the full meaning of it, it is a source of frustration & false information is already circulating. I would be appreciated to inform all neverwinter linguistic communities simultaneously to avoid irritation & misunderstandings.
It looks like the only ones upset by these changes' are the ones exploit? Is this a change to fix the exploit, or to make the game more balanced?
I hope it will bring some balance to the game, so Tired of dps and clerics, running thru dungeons leaving mobs behind them, to kill weaker players. This is not a racing game, it's a teamwork game'(my ignore list is full of these kind of players, if you could make it so when someone is on your ignore list we don't get put in a Que group with them again that would be a great fix)
If you can do anything to make people slow down, and work as a team that would be wonderful.
Well you're going to be pleased, at the very end-game content is designed for bondings and they're killing them. But i'm kinda afraid that the "issue" of bad behaviour have absolutly nothing to do with bondings and that you are aiming at the wrong target...
Of course they won't implement the cooldown for bonding, so at the end you will feel it's a victory, but nonetheless it's nerf on bonding we have been investing so much time to get and upgrade without even talking about pets upgraded to legendary. Really well known trick at play here ...
This is the assessment talking with the guildies of mine 1. New refinement system ok. That's fine. (The carot) 2. Unfortunately the system gives us new ranks up to 14. Money/time to invest again. (First stick) 3. Moreover the bonding runestones will be nerfed heavily forcing many players to rebuild their toons to a great extent (for example find new source to increase the armpen). (Second stick)
Summing up, 2 sticks and 1 carot. Ofc this is just a preliminary assessment, but I hate the idea to start again the upgrading process.
Oltreverso guild leader Maga Othelma - DC | Svalvolo - SW | Dente Avvelenato- GWF
Sooo... Gems are no longer going to drop in regular game play My guild needs gems
Please enlighten me as to where these gems are going to come from - is that temporary gem dude mandatory now? Do we have to all make gem crates in professions? Did you all think this part through?
Are you going to remove gems/surplus/AD/gold as a requirement for upgrading guilds? Or did you just lock all of the guilds in place behind the gem wall?
Founding Member of "Wrong Side of the Stronghold" Ravenskya - TR / Krisha Chaos - OP / Waffles - GF / Dex Domitor - HR Becky the trendy GWF - GWF / Too Toasty - SW / Falcor - DC / Morrigan - CW / Sir Didymus - OP
The 50% bonding uptime will kill summoned companions and everyone will use augments again.
Why is it not possible to just make augments and bondings equal with a slight bonus on bondings to make it the same as augment with eldritch runestone. Protector's Camaderie alone will make them both appealing.
So does this mean that gems & surplus will be removed from stronghold upgrade...otherwise i cant see that anyone will donate any gems or surplus to coffer if breakable to refinement points...and if not you most likely scare anyone from even try to develope a guild.....
1) I'm fairly certain when the "old" system was implemented people suggested you not make all these BtC, BtA, refining things. Nobody listened and as a partial result we're in the quandry we're in now. 2) People then were forced to buy lots of bags/bank space (I personally think this is an intentional creation to generate more money) due to the many different kinds of refining things (and that actually created Double RP events which made things worse). 3) So instead of making/converting all the refining stuff to either unbound or BtA, we have this new thing, which is "nice" but now there's all this empty bag/bank space that some people will feel they wasted a bunch of money on. 4) What's going to be Cryptic's new moneymaker now that basically bank slots and bags aren't needed?
People are obviously a bit tweaked with having spent money on said bags/slots and now have a bunch of free space for ....? I'm guessing this is the reason that the RP points aren't account-wide now?
Not discussing the Bonding runestone as that's a diff. thread. This is a refinement thread.
I'm ok with the refinement changes. I do honestly believe the bonding changes will have a severely negative impact on players, the community and Cryptic's profits.
The change is a lot less drastic than people make it out to be, this community lives to overreact and make threats when things are changed. Sure mistakes get made occasionally but that's what future adjustments are for and sans melodramatic people there is no proof as of yet that the changes will be wholly significant.
When the change first goes live, people with R12 Bondings will take an initial blow, this is true but if this is of concern to them then their first and practically immediate action to take will be to get their Bondings to R14; something made relatively easy to do under the new system.
Once they achieve R14 they will have a 195% Stat gain uptime of 15 seconds before the 15 second CD hits. Keep in mind, Enchantments themselves will now also go to R14 granting more stats than they did previously.
What people need to remember is: Battle outside of bosses is not of an extended time and there are gaps between mobs. Most mobs die in ~20 seconds with the average group in dungeons, leaving 10 seconds before Bondings can proc. again. There is generally at least this amount of time between mobs.
In boss fights, tbh I'm sick of seeing bosses die in 2 minutes because everyone is doing broken levels of damage. A Boss should be just that; a Boss. Give me a good 5-10 minute fight for heaven's sake.
People need to give changes a chance to occur before threatening to start WWIII over them.
I might have missed it in the all of the posts here, but will there be a maximum amount of RP a character can have on them at one time? Thanks @noworries#8859 for answering as many of the posts as you have been.
Clear money grab unfortunately - last night I was trying to figure out the game they were playing (decisions like this aren't made without $$ in mind)
Previously if you ranked an enchant up from the 5's you pick up on the ground and used all coal wards you'd spend $70
Now it will be $140 per enchant to take it from 1-14
And all of us at rank 12's will have to invest another $20 per enchant
Founding Member of "Wrong Side of the Stronghold" Ravenskya - TR / Krisha Chaos - OP / Waffles - GF / Dex Domitor - HR Becky the trendy GWF - GWF / Too Toasty - SW / Falcor - DC / Morrigan - CW / Sir Didymus - OP
My post on the page 4 of this thread has too much information, i'll try to sum up:
With what type of gemstone will Lesser Resonance and Lesser Thaumaturgic be replaced? Right now people farm them from Dragon Run/Heralds of Tiamat (Well of Dragons) and quests (Sharandar) and they are worth 2500 RP each (250 under the new system). If you replace them with Peridots this means 5 times less RP (since each peridot has 500 rp or 50 under the new rules). Cutting RP progressions by half won't make our lifes easier depending on the kind of replacement we're going to have. They must be replaced at least by this new Emerald gem to not severely harm our RP stacking potential. Also some of the new gems (and more variety of the old ones) should drop from Dragon's Hoard Enchant and Wanderer's Fortune.
These changes were poorly thought out and even more poorly timed. Those of us on console aren't riding high on being able to ride high on Dinos yet. Activity has been way down for months now because the last real content update we got was on April 11th. I don't know how many console players are even going to be around to see mod 12 now.
While everyone is crying about a supposed nerf (it's not, it's reblancing. Nerfing something does NOT give you something else in return), I am rather glad to see this happen. It will make the powercreep curve for new players a lot easier to manage.
And what exactly do you receive with the bonding nerf ? ( what exactly are you getting in return ? )
Lol....
The ability to improve the equipment and enchantments of your character exponentially faster and easier with the new system saving resources and subsequently, AD, that you can then use on other avenues of improvement or fancy that you previously had to forgo due to financial constraints.
If you were already maxed out (as in 16-17k+ iLvL) then congrats, nothing will change. You were disgustingly OP for all content before and you still will be then.
If not then good news, progression just got somewhat easier and you'll be stronger for it shortly anyway.
These changes were poorly thought out and even more poorly timed. Those of us on console aren't riding high on being able to ride high on Dinos yet. Activity has been way down for months now because the last real content update we got was on April 11th. I don't know how many console players are even going to be around to see mod 12 now.
I'm a guild leader of a gh20 on xbox and many of my members since this announcement have downloaded path of exile and all seem to be playing that. People are completely sick of working really hard on their characters and being continually screwed over by the devs of neverwinter. I am convinced that this is the start of a mass exodus from the game by thousands of players now and speaking with other guild leaders in our alliance seems to verify this. Well done Cryptic, you've reaaly excelled yourselves this time.
While everyone is crying about a supposed nerf (it's not, it's reblancing. Nerfing something does NOT give you something else in return), I am rather glad to see this happen. It will make the powercreep curve for new players a lot easier to manage.
And what exactly do you receive with the bonding nerf ? ( what exactly are you getting in return ? )
Lol....
The ability to improve the equipment and enchantments of your character exponentially faster and easier with the new system saving resources and subsequently, AD, that you can then use on other avenues of improvement or fancy that you previously had to forgo due to financial constraints.
If you were already maxed out (as in 16-17k+ iLvL) then congrats, nothing will change. You were disgustingly OP for all content before and you still will be then.
If not then good news, progression just got somewhat easier and you'll be stronger for it shortly anyway.
That's really not at all the case though... The new system is only kinda, maybe, almost more efficient for (non-armor/weapon) enchantments and runestones, and only if you were planning to upgrade enchantments solely through thaumatergic stones and gemstones, which was significantly less efficient in terms of AD-RP than using matching enchants/runestones.
If a player hadn't upgraded their artifacts yet... I feel truly sorry for them and the grinding hell it's going to take them to get legendary/mythic artifacts.
If a player hadn't upgraded their weapon/armor enchantments yet... then I feel even worse for them, despite the removal of the requirement of a second copy of the enchantment to upgrade at levels 7/8/9, the price on those is still going to shoot through the roof due to the new (and ridiculous) mark of potency costs.
tl;dr: 35% nerf to maximum possible shared stats, regardless of RP/AD input into new runestones/enchantments, and dc/op buffs don't work on augments the way they do on bondings = even more nerf
So I decided not to raise my pitchfork right away, and instead make a spreadsheet with the upcoming changes to runestones and enchantments regarding companions, looking at +4 IG gears with double offensive slots and the best possible combination of companion and runestones (2x empowered in offensive slots, 1x eldritch in defensive slot) the stats my character will gain from my companion is 22190 raw offensive stats (distributed in power/crit/armorpen/recovery depending on what ring/enchantments). THIS IS WITH NEW R14 STATS. pre-nerf (current) with R12 bonding and R12 enchantments/runestones and the same +4 IG gears on a bonding companion the theoretical maximum of stats gained from your companion is 34440 stats. THIS IS WITH OLD R12 STATS.
This means overall this will be a 35% nerf, even if we assume we all have 102384290384023984 billion AD or RP lying around to instantly upgrade our hard earned r12's to r14's and to buy the best possible companion & other runestones instead of bondings
Granted, I didn't play when augment companions were the meta, so I don't exactly know how they work regarding dc buffs on them, OP aura gift that buffs them etc, but my understanding (got told this from guildies) is that dc power buffs from encounters won't even affect augment companions like they do combat companions, there is uncertainty if power share from dc aura or op aura gifts do work, so I'll ignore that for now, but if they don't the best amount of stats gained is even lower than what we currently can get (because current bondings do transfer all stat buffs dc's and op's can give us). And I just realised I didn't even take protector's camaraderie and friendship into consideration here... RIP.
If cryptic would be so kind to not nerf the uptime of bondings, we would get 30.1k raw offensive stats from our companion with the NEW R14 stuffs, which is still a (tiny) nerf compared to old (current) bondings, but will require us to spend billions of RP/AD to achieve and still let us have the ability to have our companions buffed to benefit us... but both nerfing their sharing AND the ability for them to be buffed and shared to use is MASSIVE.
For calculations check this spreadsheet I made: google doc spreadsheet it's pretty crude formatting, but I think most of you will be able to figure out how the math works (for jokes on the bottom I checked the optimal pet with current gear in the game (+5 chult rings and whatever slots possible on the companion, there is currently NO augment companion with the required 3 ring slots and 2x def 1x off runestone slots, this is just a theoretical maximum) Since I main a prot OP I checked with shared HP as well (since augment companions apparently do that and 10% of my hp = power as long as I get hit...), and I know cryptic wants to promote the use of different kind of runestones, but all they do is swap the focus from bondings to empowered and take away my option of active companion and make it 100% have to be bulette pup... Overall giving me even less options (if I want to be most effective possible) than before.
I do look forward to the upcoming RP changes, but this bonding nerf is a massive slap in the face compared to that...
It looks like the only ones upset by these changes' are the ones exploit? Is this a change to fix the exploit, or to make the game more balanced?
I hope it will bring some balance to the game, so Tired of dps and clerics, running thru dungeons leaving mobs behind them, to kill weaker players. This is not a racing game, it's a teamwork game'(my ignore list is full of these kind of players, if you could make it so when someone is on your ignore list we don't get put in a Que group with them again that would be a great fix)
If you can do anything to make people slow down, and work as a team that would be wonderful.
Well you're going to be pleased, at the very end-game content is designed for bondings and they're killing them. But i'm kinda afraid that the "issue" of bad behaviour have absolutly nothing to do with bondings and that you are aiming at the wrong target...
I've run TotNG with full groups using only Augments, all geared at no more than 13k iLvL and we had zero, yep ZERO trouble completing it or any of the Mod12 content. Even solo, we had no issues.
You know why this is?
Because we learned to play the game, our characters themselves house our ArPen so there are no issues with Companion problems occurring, none of the content is near difficult enough to require Bondings in the slightest, it only makes it easier replacing the level of skill or effort required by brute forcing everything instead.
If not having everything handed to you is some kind of inconvenience to your sensibilities then perhaps this isn't the game for you. There are several people who tried this game out months or even a year back who I've told about the change and will be returning now because of the changes and I'm sure they'll more than make up for your absence.
People mention this is the worst thing since "Keygate"? LOL.
My time invested/Loot quality gained ratio has improved by at least 300% since that change, I'd rather give up my key and get something decent every 3-5 runs at most than save my key every time and after 200+ runs have nothing to show for it but wasting my time.
While everyone is crying about a supposed nerf (it's not, it's reblancing. Nerfing something does NOT give you something else in return), I am rather glad to see this happen. It will make the powercreep curve for new players a lot easier to manage.
And what exactly do you receive with the bonding nerf ? ( what exactly are you getting in return ? )
Lol....
Ah yes, what is it I am getting in return... Hmm let's see...
- More inventory space. Nah that aint happening. - A new currency instead of 3497234685 different items. Probably not. - Extra ranks in all echantments, enhancements and runestones. Yeah right, that'll never happen. - Half cost to upgrade artifacts, artifact weapons/armour, enchantments, enhancements and runestones? I must be stoned or drunk thinking that will happen. - More RP related drops. Dream on.
/end sarcasm
I I get tons of things at the cost of toning down the power of Top rank Bonding stones. All I really need to invest more into is Wards.
Sooo... Gems are no longer going to drop in regular game play My guild needs gems
Please enlighten me as to where these gems are going to come from - is that temporary gem dude mandatory now? Do we have to all make gem crates in professions? Did you all think this part through?
Are you going to remove gems/surplus/AD/gold as a requirement for upgrading guilds? Or did you just lock all of the guilds in place behind the gem wall?
They said gems like Peridots etc. will be able to be donated.
Plus why not make crates? /It's by far the easiest and least resource consuming way to get Gems atm.
So how much exactly is this 'less' on refinement needed for enchants? Coz if its not reduced at least by HALF, then why getting rid of x2RP, getting rank 14s will take forever! And the rewards in dungeons are still unchanged and we will take way longer to complete them.
Do you guys even play your own game? Do you guys have multiple characters and done all the progression in a legit way? Because it doesn't seem like it.
I was finally enjoying the game again, finally got some legendary mounts and I was having fun, then this mess happens and I don't feel like playing anymore, I'm not even mad, I'm sad and disappointed, and I'm not the only one, plz revisit this whole mess before its too late.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
The way i read it you represent the nerf on refinement like you do us a favor. As i say yes you nerf because with old system on enchantments: example radiant refine into radiant = x2 and in double refine x4. artifacts of power into an artifact of power is double and x4 in double rp event.
So what are you doing you reduce the costs yes and you reduce the value of rp yes and you change the rp to be one thing ( here is the nerf).
Suggestion for bonding before it's too late (if it's not too late):
Keep the uptime at 100%, just adjust the % of stats given closer to the auguments (slightly higher, why? so people don't switch to auguments only). This way both will be viable and used.
In later news arc games announces mod 13 neverwinter sunset after announcing nerfing bonding's a lot of players are going to leave and its the ones that shell out the $$$ Hope you reconsider the change every facebook page forum is full of mad mad players all about ready to walk away and well just play another game
I'm ok with the refinement changes. I do honestly believe the bonding changes will have a severely negative impact on players, the community and Cryptic's profits.
The change is a lot less drastic than people make it out to be, this community lives to overreact and make threats when things are changed. Sure mistakes get made occasionally but that's what future adjustments are for and sans melodramatic people there is no proof as of yet that the changes will be wholly significant.
When the change first goes live, people with R12 Bondings will take an initial blow, this is true but if this is of concern to them then their first and practically immediate action to take will be to get their Bondings to R14; something made relatively easy to do under the new system.
No, they do not overreact. They base builds with ArP and Crit Chance on pet stats and BIS. You can't rely on crit and ArP if they are bouncing. No it won't be that easy to get 14th lvl BIS. They will need 3x2 Coal wards. They worth 850k-1kk each on Russian server. And all that to get buff not even close to the current.
I'm ok with the refinement changes. I do honestly believe the bonding changes will have a severely negative impact on players, the community and Cryptic's profits.
In boss fights, tbh I'm sick of seeing bosses die in 2 minutes because everyone is doing broken levels of damage. A Boss should be just that; a Boss. Give me a good 5-10 minute fight for heaven's sake.
People need to give changes a chance to occur before threatening to start WWIII over them.
10 minutes with boss? Oh, good luck with farming new artifacts and gear then with infamous Cryptic drop rate. Several hours to go through a couple of dungeons, sounds really great... and your reward will be some purple item. Awesome!!!
I like the idea of simplifying the refinement system. I think however this ends up costing more RP, if you remove the matching bonus (by removing the items that do a matching bonus) of x2 and remove x2 RP events, you are effectively making the cost of refining 4x as expensive for the points needed to level it up. I understand the removal of the matching enchant is an argument of cost reduction, but I think the base points needed are still x4 more without the two double mechanism. I will go read technical details a bit closer, maybe I am wrong.
I would like to see some developers use F2P, no dev magic, start a new character and see how long it takes to get to max IL with no money input, then when you are done, feel free to change all the refinement things listed. Cya in a couple years.
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Not once have I ever seen or heard anyone say that bonding stones suck - they're worthless and you shouldn't use them, because if you do, you will be sorry.
So I ask again - who; or what demographic is asking for this change? Did you have a focus group come in and determine that bonding stones are just too powerful? I would love to hear the logic behind this. The logic that explains the thought process behind this decision that reaches a conclusion where the players will be rewarded, if not in small measure, but rather punished for being so loyal.
Are you folks over at Cryptic having a good laugh over this, because the only conclusion I can reach is that you all have lost your minds.
As I write this, I am reminiscing about the countless hours I have spent getting my character where it is today. While frustrating at times; the hard work, research and time spent, the game achievements involved in getting there, is all for naught.
I feel like I have been fired from a job that I have been at for years for no apparent reason. It doesn't feel good, it hurts for awhile, and in some cases is embarrassing. So, you start over. You find yourself a new job and begin the process of working your way up again, only to realize that your last job sucked!
job = Neverwinter
My suggestion pertains not only to this post.
Could you please coordinate all offical items of change/annoucements in all neverwinter languages (beside US/EN, french, german, italian & russian if no other) so that they would be released at the same moment?
This thread will be availabe (in FR) only tomorrow, since not all french speaking players understand english or the full meaning of it, it is a source of frustration & false information is already circulating.
I would be appreciated to inform all neverwinter linguistic communities simultaneously to avoid irritation & misunderstandings.
But i'm kinda afraid that the "issue" of bad behaviour have absolutly nothing to do with bondings and that you are aiming at the wrong target...
1. New refinement system ok. That's fine. (The carot)
2. Unfortunately the system gives us new ranks up to 14. Money/time to invest again. (First stick)
3. Moreover the bonding runestones will be nerfed heavily forcing many players to rebuild their toons to a great extent (for example find new source to increase the armpen). (Second stick)
Summing up, 2 sticks and 1 carot.
Ofc this is just a preliminary assessment, but I hate the idea to start again the upgrading process.
Oltreverso guild leader
Maga Othelma - DC | Svalvolo - SW | Dente Avvelenato- GWF
My guild needs gems
Please enlighten me as to where these gems are going to come from - is that temporary gem dude mandatory now? Do we have to all make gem crates in professions? Did you all think this part through?
Are you going to remove gems/surplus/AD/gold as a requirement for upgrading guilds? Or did you just lock all of the guilds in place behind the gem wall?
Ravenskya - TR / Krisha Chaos - OP / Waffles - GF / Dex Domitor - HR
Becky the trendy GWF - GWF / Too Toasty - SW / Falcor - DC / Morrigan - CW / Sir Didymus - OP
Why is it not possible to just make augments and bondings equal with a slight bonus on bondings to make it the same as augment with eldritch runestone. Protector's Camaderie alone will make them both appealing.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
Enough said.
1) I'm fairly certain when the "old" system was implemented people suggested you not make all these BtC, BtA, refining things. Nobody listened and as a partial result we're in the quandry we're in now.
2) People then were forced to buy lots of bags/bank space (I personally think this is an intentional creation to generate more money) due to the many different kinds of refining things (and that actually created Double RP events which made things worse).
3) So instead of making/converting all the refining stuff to either unbound or BtA, we have this new thing, which is "nice" but now there's all this empty bag/bank space that some people will feel they wasted a bunch of money on.
4) What's going to be Cryptic's new moneymaker now that basically bank slots and bags aren't needed?
People are obviously a bit tweaked with having spent money on said bags/slots and now have a bunch of free space for ....? I'm guessing this is the reason that the RP points aren't account-wide now?
Not discussing the Bonding runestone as that's a diff. thread. This is a refinement thread.
When the change first goes live, people with R12 Bondings will take an initial blow, this is true but if this is of concern to them then their first and practically immediate action to take will be to get their Bondings to R14; something made relatively easy to do under the new system.
Once they achieve R14 they will have a 195% Stat gain uptime of 15 seconds before the 15 second CD hits. Keep in mind, Enchantments themselves will now also go to R14 granting more stats than they did previously.
What people need to remember is: Battle outside of bosses is not of an extended time and there are gaps between mobs. Most mobs die in ~20 seconds with the average group in dungeons, leaving 10 seconds before Bondings can proc. again. There is generally at least this amount of time between mobs.
In boss fights, tbh I'm sick of seeing bosses die in 2 minutes because everyone is doing broken levels of damage. A Boss should be just that; a Boss. Give me a good 5-10 minute fight for heaven's sake.
People need to give changes a chance to occur before threatening to start WWIII over them.
Previously if you ranked an enchant up from the 5's you pick up on the ground and used all coal wards you'd spend $70
Now it will be $140 per enchant to take it from 1-14
And all of us at rank 12's will have to invest another $20 per enchant
Ravenskya - TR / Krisha Chaos - OP / Waffles - GF / Dex Domitor - HR
Becky the trendy GWF - GWF / Too Toasty - SW / Falcor - DC / Morrigan - CW / Sir Didymus - OP
With what type of gemstone will Lesser Resonance and Lesser Thaumaturgic be replaced? Right now people farm them from Dragon Run/Heralds of Tiamat (Well of Dragons) and quests (Sharandar) and they are worth 2500 RP each (250 under the new system). If you replace them with Peridots this means 5 times less RP (since each peridot has 500 rp or 50 under the new rules). Cutting RP progressions by half won't make our lifes easier depending on the kind of replacement we're going to have. They must be replaced at least by this new Emerald gem to not severely harm our RP stacking potential. Also some of the new gems (and more variety of the old ones) should drop from Dragon's Hoard Enchant and Wanderer's Fortune.
If you were already maxed out (as in 16-17k+ iLvL) then congrats, nothing will change. You were disgustingly OP for all content before and you still will be then.
If not then good news, progression just got somewhat easier and you'll be stronger for it shortly anyway.
If a player hadn't upgraded their artifacts yet... I feel truly sorry for them and the grinding hell it's going to take them to get legendary/mythic artifacts.
If a player hadn't upgraded their weapon/armor enchantments yet... then I feel even worse for them, despite the removal of the requirement of a second copy of the enchantment to upgrade at levels 7/8/9, the price on those is still going to shoot through the roof due to the new (and ridiculous) mark of potency costs.
So I decided not to raise my pitchfork right away, and instead make a spreadsheet with the upcoming changes to runestones and enchantments regarding companions,
looking at +4 IG gears with double offensive slots and the best possible combination of companion and runestones (2x empowered in offensive slots, 1x eldritch in defensive slot) the stats my character will gain from my companion is 22190 raw offensive stats (distributed in power/crit/armorpen/recovery depending on what ring/enchantments). THIS IS WITH NEW R14 STATS.
pre-nerf (current) with R12 bonding and R12 enchantments/runestones and the same +4 IG gears on a bonding companion the theoretical maximum of stats gained from your companion is 34440 stats. THIS IS WITH OLD R12 STATS.
This means overall this will be a 35% nerf, even if we assume we all have 102384290384023984 billion AD or RP lying around to instantly upgrade our hard earned r12's to r14's and to buy the best possible companion & other runestones instead of bondings
Granted, I didn't play when augment companions were the meta, so I don't exactly know how they work regarding dc buffs on them, OP aura gift that buffs them etc, but my understanding (got told this from guildies) is that dc power buffs from encounters won't even affect augment companions like they do combat companions, there is uncertainty if power share from dc aura or op aura gifts do work, so I'll ignore that for now, but if they don't the best amount of stats gained is even lower than what we currently can get (because current bondings do transfer all stat buffs dc's and op's can give us). And I just realised I didn't even take protector's camaraderie and friendship into consideration here... RIP.
If cryptic would be so kind to not nerf the uptime of bondings, we would get 30.1k raw offensive stats from our companion with the NEW R14 stuffs, which is still a (tiny) nerf compared to old (current) bondings, but will require us to spend billions of RP/AD to achieve and still let us have the ability to have our companions buffed to benefit us... but both nerfing their sharing AND the ability for them to be buffed and shared to use is MASSIVE.
For calculations check this spreadsheet I made: google doc spreadsheet
it's pretty crude formatting, but I think most of you will be able to figure out how the math works
(for jokes on the bottom I checked the optimal pet with current gear in the game (+5 chult rings and whatever slots possible on the companion, there is currently NO augment companion with the required 3 ring slots and 2x def 1x off runestone slots, this is just a theoretical maximum)
Since I main a prot OP I checked with shared HP as well (since augment companions apparently do that and 10% of my hp = power as long as I get hit...), and I know cryptic wants to promote the use of different kind of runestones, but all they do is swap the focus from bondings to empowered and take away my option of active companion and make it 100% have to be bulette pup... Overall giving me even less options (if I want to be most effective possible) than before.
I do look forward to the upcoming RP changes, but this bonding nerf is a massive slap in the face compared to that...
You know why this is?
Because we learned to play the game, our characters themselves house our ArPen so there are no issues with Companion problems occurring, none of the content is near difficult enough to require Bondings in the slightest, it only makes it easier replacing the level of skill or effort required by brute forcing everything instead.
If not having everything handed to you is some kind of inconvenience to your sensibilities then perhaps this isn't the game for you. There are several people who tried this game out months or even a year back who I've told about the change and will be returning now because of the changes and I'm sure they'll more than make up for your absence.
People mention this is the worst thing since "Keygate"? LOL.
My time invested/Loot quality gained ratio has improved by at least 300% since that change, I'd rather give up my key and get something decent every 3-5 runs at most than save my key every time and after 200+ runs have nothing to show for it but wasting my time.
- More inventory space. Nah that aint happening.
- A new currency instead of 3497234685 different items. Probably not.
- Extra ranks in all echantments, enhancements and runestones. Yeah right, that'll never happen.
- Half cost to upgrade artifacts, artifact weapons/armour, enchantments, enhancements and runestones? I must be stoned or drunk thinking that will happen.
- More RP related drops. Dream on.
/end sarcasm
I I get tons of things at the cost of toning down the power of Top rank Bonding stones.
All I really need to invest more into is Wards.
Plus why not make crates? /It's by far the easiest and least resource consuming way to get Gems atm.
Do you guys even play your own game? Do you guys have multiple characters and done all the progression in a legit way? Because it doesn't seem like it.
I was finally enjoying the game again, finally got some legendary mounts and I was having fun, then this mess happens and I don't feel like playing anymore, I'm not even mad, I'm sad and disappointed, and I'm not the only one, plz revisit this whole mess before its too late.
As i say yes you nerf because with old system on enchantments: example radiant refine into radiant = x2 and in double refine x4.
artifacts of power into an artifact of power is double and x4 in double rp event.
So what are you doing you reduce the costs yes and you reduce the value of rp yes and you change the rp to be one thing ( here is the nerf).
Any comments on this? @noworries#8859
No it won't be that easy to get 14th lvl BIS. They will need 3x2 Coal wards. They worth 850k-1kk each on Russian server. And all that to get buff not even close to the current. 10 minutes with boss? Oh, good luck with farming new artifacts and gear then with infamous Cryptic drop rate. Several hours to go through a couple of dungeons, sounds really great... and your reward will be some purple item. Awesome!!!
I would like to see some developers use F2P, no dev magic, start a new character and see how long it takes to get to max IL with no money input, then when you are done, feel free to change all the refinement things listed. Cya in a couple years.
OP - Sunshine: 16000 IL
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