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The PoP change and hellish rebuke have a little better synergy with each other. Not sure if rebuke or PoP's DR buff is going be powerful enough to warrant you standing there to take all the hits.
After patch Pillar of Power will be on (reduced) cooldown immediately after you cast it, while buff will be still pending. I don't know how long it lasts but I believe it will be nearly perma buff (area bounded).
Yes, but the idea would be to have the cooldowns of *other* encounters tick down faster while standing in Pillar of Power. That would be an additional damage boost and make it feel a little less passive. But the whether that's necessary or not obviously depends on the additional boosts they're giving Pillar of Power in the first place. I think the base damage boost still feels a bit lackluster, but if the other components are good and work well, that may more than make up for it.
Problem with something like that is that when the time comes for the real rework, newer players and people with short memories will meet anything being removed with much wailing and gnashing of teeth. I get your intent, but think interim changes are a bad idea in this environment.
Any real rework for Templocks is likely to be somewhere between 6 months from now and never, the current SW changes suggest we shouldn't expect anymore dev eyes looking our way for a very long time now. I wouldn't ask for any major changes to mechanics right now but the numbers can at least be tweaked.
If nothing else a parse of Temp feats should be done to make sure they fit in with the current cost/benefits of other feats. e.g. Vampiric Sparks needs boosting by 4-5 times it's current value.
@lihin23nihil I thought about Vampiric Embrace for awhile and the truth is, the way the combat system is designed leaves no room for Vampiric Embrace in anyone's rotation, even if it is drastically buffed. You will get better healing out of the Temptation tree from Soul Scorch, Warlock's Bargain, and either Killing Flames or any Soul Spark generating encounter.
Even if you were to rock Hellbringer, Pillar of Power or some other encounter would ultimately supersede Vampiric Embrace. It would be better to provide yourself and allies with non-stackable (through repeated used of Vampiric Embrace) temp HP equal to x% of your max HP as a capstone for the Temptation tree. Temp HP would be way better than Vampiric Embrace healing allies for x%.
If you want to make HB viable the only option is giving a 50% CD reduction and 100%AP increase stading inside Pillar of Power, that the only way to compensate the advantages of SBs. Meanwhile a SB can spam their encounters and and dailys much faster than a HB then the hellbringer path is always going to be worse.
@lihin23nihil I thought about Vampiric Embrace for awhile and the truth is, the way the combat system is designed leaves no room for Vampiric Embrace in .
Not Vamp Embrace, Vamp Sparks - 2nd tier temp feat that gives Life steal on Sparks held. Currently it is way under-tuned.
Vamp Embrace is indeed a trap in it's current state.
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
@lihin23nihil I thought about Vampiric Embrace for awhile and the truth is, the way the combat system is designed leaves no room for Vampiric Embrace in .
Not Vamp Embrace, Vamp Sparks - 2nd tier temp feat that gives Life steal on Sparks held. Currently it is way under-tuned.
Vamp Embrace is indeed a trap in it's current state.
It can't compete with chain spamming bastions of health of cure wound/shift spam of devotion OPs. It can't even heal the party to full on top on the insult to injury.
@lihin23nihil I dont know if Compounded Soul will be buffed as I am not sure how often it procs with the new curse consume / curse synergy mechanics. Currently, the temp HP visual effect on the HP bar is inaccurate as far as I can tell, but the temp HPs are there if you quickly inspect. So that part could be made more accurate I suppose.
I can tell you Compounded Soul procs (and reprocs) constantly on cursed targets, especially with Blades of Vanquished Armies, on xbox. Do you have means of further evaluating on the preview server?
While surely not a life saver, 5% temp HP is fair if it constantly procs IMO.
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Just and idea to give some AoE At-Will effect for the SW, this idea being for both paragons. (This also work out nice with the HB Flames tweak)
Change the melee Hand of Blight to function somewhat like the GF's Cleave. It can put a defensive debuff on multiple targets and do some nice AoE damage. To make it both work well in Single Target and AoE it can be tweaked like some GWF powers that the damage is decreased for every x target hit. Then it can deal nice single target damage, yet also deal nice AoE, but not be too powerful.
@amenar Scourge Warlock: Feat: Creeping Death: Updated tooltip to match the new changes. Are those changes the old ones? proc form all damage sources or a new one(s)
@amenar BTW nice changes, might get us close in the dps race. Can you explain a little more about the new shadow slip? will it resist shocking execution? and on a fast reactivation of shadow slip, will it keep the 100%DR and it will keep counting the timer? I.e first activation used 0,5 secs, the next one would have 0,5sec of immunity, or the timer reset?
Another round of changes incoming with another preview patch... soon. Here's the list
Thanks, for changes. Now before its gets in preview server, we sit back, take something to drink and check what kind benefits we will get by changes in theory.
Once thing obvious, HB templock with combo: Encounters > BoVa + Pillar of Power At will: hands of blight Class features: Shadow walk + Flames of Empowerment. Will be kinda good in melee fights.
For furry tree, Feat Feat: Gatekeeper's Empowerment: No longer affects Flames of Empowerment. Instead, now increases the DoT damage of Hellish Rebuke by 5/10/15/20/25%.
ouch. plus thats mean gate of hell don't get any benefits from it too? thats sad. And i was started to love hell gate, this feat + flames of empowerment combo.
Scourge Warlock: Fiery Bolt: Damage increased ~33%. Scourge Warlock: Fiery Bolt: Reduced base recharge time to 12s, down from 14s. (This overrides the previous CD change)
Scourge Warlock: Flames of Empowerment: No longer increases your damage when your AP is full. Instead, applies a debuff to your target when you hit them with an At-Will power. This debuff increases the damage you deal to the target by 2% (+1% per rank, to a max of 5%), and stacks up to 3 times.
In order to utilize this changes in pve, well, firstly u try to hit all possible monsters with at wills in order trigger this effect(mark), then hit with heavy artilery(encounters).
Wait didn't we had similar stuff with curse mechanic, which where cursing/marking targets become 70% of game content? Or as some suggested we back to Tyrannical Curse,> curse victim then cast at will bang all marked then use all remaining powers.. Over all great single target dmg boost.
Scourge Warlock: Lesser Curse: Should no longer fall off immediately after applying in certain circumstances. This was most noticeable with the new version of Accursed Souls, and should no longer occur.
Finally I will be able to do combo Accursed soul + Curse bite.
Scourge Warlock: Prince of Hell: No longer increases your Armor Penetration stat by 10%. Instead, directly increases your Resistance Ignored and Life Steal Chance by 5%, plus 1% per rank.
Thats a big boost, Flames of Empowerment become at will focused feature, Prince of hell will be the ones who goes with aoe build, in epic dungeons or if he plans to more stay away from close range fight.
Scourge Warlock: Pillar of Power: This power has had a slight rework. Now always casts under your feet, instead of needing to be placed. Recharge time now starts as soon as you cast it instead of when the effect ends, and has been reduced to 10s, down from 15s. You may only have 1 Pillar of Power active at a time, so recasting it while it is still active will move it to your current location. The effects of the Pillar have changed, as well. In addition to increasing your damage, it now also grants you damage resistance while you stand within it. The Pillar no longer builds up and explodes when an enemy enters it. Instead, it lowers the enemies damage and damage resistance, and deals damage to them.
With this changes I want ask for clarification. Current Pillar of power provide benefits not for yourself, but for anyone who step inside its effect area. So question does it still provide benefits for anyone else or its only self buffing?
Plus also since warlock release it was old suggestion. To widen its effect area, Even with current change which allow more to survive, it takes away mobility, the area of effect kinda small.
Here is picture of current Pillar of power area effect and on top I hold gate of hell invocation circle. I suggest to widen Pillar of power Area of effect to match gate of hell invocation circle size, So if Pillar of power If its for self benefits it large area of effect will provide mobility even in this small area. If its affect party members too. Then more players could get benefits from it..
We'd like to get Hellbringer into a much better place with this module. It's one of the least use Paragon Paths in the game, and hopefully some of the most recent changes can help fix that.
I hope u will do that. Even in current guild some guys keep asking why I do not change to soulbinder. similar stuffs happens during epic dungeons. And party member keep telling me> respect to SB.. And as always I say >hell no<
I read through your concerns and suggestions about Shadow Slip - they're interesting, though we've been discussing how difficult it is for classes without any damage immunity from there Shift powers to survive in our splat heavy end-game, so we still want to see how this plays. That doesn't mean it will make it live - and even if it does, if it ends up causing problems we can't foresee, we will reevaluate.
Correct me if I am wrong. Cw when use teleport get ~1 second immunity? Plus get u in any direction u look by 25 feet DC moves you 8 feet in any direction, since I played with DC and most of time when i used it I avoided incoming hits with no fail even by casting in red/danger zone received 0 dmg. So I assume its also grant ~1 s immunity, Hr by nwo wiki >
Quickly shift out of the way of incoming attacks, moving you 8 feet in any direction. This power and all other Tactical dodge powers grant invulnerability frames during and for ~1 second after use. During this time, you cannot be CCed or damaged.
So when warlock will try use shadow slip and move 8 feet, obvious that he lose ~1 immunity. By trying tapping every ~1s and try get 100% immunity u will not get far away either. And lets say u click and spent all stamina away, which I don't think someone gona do it in pvp. Cw and HR have biggest chance to catch u anyways + u could not hit them. So by theory it not like shadow slip will bring radical change.. But provide some chances to survive..
however everything will be clear during practical testings..
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@lihin23nihil I dont know if Compounded Soul will be buffed as I am not sure how often it procs with the new curse consume / curse synergy mechanics. ... I can tell you Compounded Soul procs (and reprocs) constantly on cursed targets, especially with Blades of Vanquished Armies, on xbox. Do you have means of further evaluating on the preview server?
I did some tests this morning and looked through the logs - sadly ACT doesn't separate out Compounded Soul from other shield effects, so it's not too easy to extract much analysis. But yes, I can confirm that you can get Compounded Soul to proc frequently. It appears to have an internal ICD of 1 second but I can't be sure and my feeling is it has about a 10% chance to proc on cursed targets*.
It works consistently with both Warlocks Curses and Lesser Curses and generates the correct amount of Temp HP.
* I slotted BotVA, HarrowS, DT and Accursed Souls with All-Consuming Curse and churned through groups of 5-15 trolls or hammerers at a time in IWD for 30 minutes. Naturally there was some downtime in-between fights and changing loadouts but I self-procced CS about 500 times in that period.
@fernuu PVP wise BoVa with 25% deflect is an awesome skill, but the new updated passives are giving me a very hard time to choose, dark one blessing and shadow walk both add deflect, but borrowed time also do with sparks, and heals, I have only 45% critical chance, and i realy can't get more($$$$ problem) and i still need axe beak, got 2m only, 5m more to go, got 80+ keys, but tested it on preview, and it would give me 300~400 k ad only, and no axe beak xD any advice on boosting my critical chance?
Some insight into how Accursed Souls works - apologies if this was already common knowledge but I've been going through some logs this morning.
AS has a target cap of 5 and does its tool-tip damage in 2 parts - a first hit for about 40% immediately and a second hit 1.5 seconds later for the remaining 60%. It appears that the 2 hits actually have separate damage rolls (the ratio isn't consistent but appears to be around 2:3) but they do share the same Critical Hit roll - i.e. if the first part crits the second does too and the second only crits when the first does.
The heal is generated off of the first hit and is based on 50% of the damage done by it with your heal bonuses applied after.
The Soul Puppet appears after the second hit.
In the version currently on preview the Lesser Curse appears to be applied with the second damage hit - expect this to be different in the upcoming changes.
It's hard to tell exactly but it looks like the second hit doesn't generate Soul Sparks but does proc weapon enchantments.
What does this mean? You are safe to ani-cancel after the first hit goes off and can expect to heal for about 20% of the total damage done.
@etelgrin I gave up stacking armor pen / resistance ignored in PvP, especially against tanky classes. It is an issue with current meta PvP combat mechanics primarily. It just happens to be much, much worse for SWs.
At one point, I had up to 170% RI with only 4k from the Stronghold armor pen boon. Want to know where it got me in PvP? Nowhere.
The majority of the time, against an equally geared opponent, I was still hitting for only 20% of my base attack (GWF, GF, DC, and generally anyone wearing a negation). The DoTs from Creeping Death / SW encounters have the following issues:
1) They needle (rather than burst) the opponent, stacking their negation. 2) DoTs proc the opponent's deflect healing insignia, basically giving it 100% uptime. 3) Such minor damage is dealt that the encounters / DoTs cannot keep up with the opponent's self healing capabilities.
Consider an endgame PvP opponent has:
1) A cumulative ~100% DR from tenacity score (DR and ArP resistance) 2) ~30% DR from defense on squishy classes and up to ~60% on GFs. 3) 30% DR from negation 4) x% from you-name-it. Shield, unstoppable, feats, encounters, class features, etc. etc. etc.
Add all these up and you can see why stacking armor pen has become borderline irrelevant against a solid opponent. Sure, you can nuke a lesser geared player if your RI exceeds their aggregate mitigation, I understand that... But its much better to stack power and crit with a dread enchant if you want to deal damage as a SW in PvP IMO.
I'd like some feedback from those on preview testing the SW's survivability when the Shadow Slip immunity frame is loaded. If it works how I think it will, its a major needed upgrade. We may not be able to be the DPS dealers we're supposed to be, but perhaps the survivability will be there.
@fernuu PVP wise BoVa with 25% deflect is an awesome skill, but the new updated passives are giving me a very hard time to choose, dark one blessing and shadow walk both add deflect, but borrowed time also do with sparks, and heals, I have only 45% critical chance, and i realy can't get more($$$$ problem) and i still need axe beak, got 2m only, 5m more to go, got 80+ keys, but tested it on preview, and it would give me 300~400 k ad only, and no axe beak xD any advice on boosting my critical chance?
I thought dark one blessing adds life steal and life steal severity, not a deflection.
But yeah, shadow walk now looks even better for pvp. Movement speed is reduced but you benefit from deflection and life steal. And yet there is nice warding curse for reducing incoming damage and dark prayers aren't that bad. Yet, you can focus on offensive end with all consuming curse - variety of class features increased a little for pvp.
About recovery - well it's reduce cooldowns (pretty nice on killing flames). With 2600 recovery, 630 action point gain and a snail I didn't have to use sigil of devoted to keep my daily perma up.
I'm going to watch them when I get home as I'd like to see the new gameplay.
Is there anything you can say about the SW changes from the eGWD runs?
We lack on AoE due to TT bug and no MF (it's mostly noticeable at last fight when adds are coming). Single target fights are still great, SS and KF are doing even better than before (and we're talking about huge ITF nerf behind the scenes) so SW is on a good way.
I will do more test runs after new preview patch will be on so it will be more accurate.
So from videos shows that Soul Scorch remain hardest hitting encounter from warlock arsenal.
BoVa will be used as it we did before mod 6. Curse bite showed that in order to properly utilize it u need have luck. Thats mean apply lesser curses(possible with Accursed sou
I'm going to watch them when I get home as I'd like to see the new gameplay.
Is there anything you can say about the SW changes from the eGWD runs?
We lack on AoE due to TT bug and no MF (it's mostly noticeable at last fight when adds are coming). Single target fights are still great, SS and KF are doing even better than before (and we're talking about huge ITF nerf behind the scenes) so SW is on a good way.
I will do more test runs after new preview patch will be on so it will be more accurate.
Actually I would like to ask u to do testings for hellbringer path. After all it would be more clear what HB lack if u used same gear set as u now use with SB. Even If I put table with numbers I would not be able compare with your SB due gear differences and gameplay too. And most important reason why I ask. Is that better test by yourself rather than read 100 times of someones claims..
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@bloodyspamer - I will do tests for both Hellbringer and Soulbinder once new patch will be out. I will focus on new improvements but will test few more rotations.
Soul Scorch: yeah, indeed best encouter. Killing Flames can do more damage but we can't spam it BoVA: great spark generation (even better combined with Essence Defiler's casting speed increase) and now it grants a lot of deflection (25%)
@bloodyspamer - I will do tests for both Hellbringer and Soulbinder once new patch will be out. I will focus on new improvements but will test few more rotations.
Soul Scorch: yeah, indeed best encouter. Killing Flames can do more damage but we can't spam it BoVA: great spark generation (even better combined with Essence Defiler's casting speed increase) and now it grants a lot of deflection (25%)
Thanks. If possible and if u are not busy do test run with current changes.. It could be big value when compare difference with current and ones which will come with next patch. But if u are busy its not big deal
Well about couple minutes had eToS in normal server and as always same idea keep getting in my head. We have wraith of shadow. DoT with chance to go immobility debuff. So I though well why devs simply didn't use "Syndrith High Priestess of Lolth" spider web mechanic, which he drops on ground. So suggestion would be like: If warlock cast Wraith of Shadow on target who are not affected by curse/lesser curse/TC, have same effect as current Wraith of shadow do. But if Warlock cast this encounter who is affected by curse/lesser curse/TC. Instantly make spider web area as Priestess of Lolth does. And plus we could add similar effect as boss does(Minor Damage outcome reduction + slowing down in that area. With ability to change effect to immobility .(that part with immorbility still questionable) So this power become strong aoe CC/debuff for many monsters and good for single target too.
What do u think about this my old idea.
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======================================================================== “The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim. Gustave Le Bon. ==================================================
Another round of changes incoming with another preview patch... soon. Here's the list:
Scourge Warlock: Blades of Vanquished Armies: No longer toggles off when you are Stunned or Dazed.
Scourge Warlock: Pillar of Power: This power has had a slight rework. Now always casts under your feet, instead of needing to be placed. Recharge time now starts as soon as you cast it instead of when the effect ends, and has been reduced to 10s, down from 15s. You may only have 1 Pillar of Power active at a time, so recasting it while it is still active will move it to your current location. The effects of the Pillar have changed, as well. In addition to increasing your damage, it now also grants you damage resistance while you stand within it. The Pillar no longer builds up and explodes when an enemy enters it. Instead, it lowers the enemies damage and damage resistance, and deals damage to them.
Scourge Warlock: Prince of Hell: No longer increases your Armor Penetration stat by 10%. Instead, directly increases your Resistance Ignored and Life Steal Chance by 5%, plus 1% per rank.
Scourge Warlock: Shadow Slip: Increased speed by 15%.
Scourge Warlock: Shadow Slip: Now provides damage immunity for 1 second after activation, and loses 20% damage resistance per second while it is active, down to a minimum of 40% (this timer persist through rapid reapplications).
Scourge Warlock: Tyrannical Curse: Fixed an issue that caused the "damage link" portion of the power to not work in many cases.
Again, these changes are not on preview yet but should hopefully be there with our next build pushed to preview.
As for some other topics:
Temptation still needs love, that we won't really be able to give it with this review. We have plans for it that require bigger changes than we can make right now. I don't want to talk about them beyond that, as plans can change, and I don't even have a concrete timeline for when they will come. I realize that won't be everyone's favorite answer, but hopefully it is better than none.
We'd like to get Hellbringer into a much better place with this module. It's one of the least use Paragon Paths in the game, and hopefully some of the most recent changes can help fix that.
I read through your concerns and suggestions about Shadow Slip - they're interesting, though we've been discussing how difficult it is for classes without any damage immunity from there Shift powers to survive in our splat heavy end-game, so we still want to see how this plays. That doesn't mean it will make it live - and even if it does, if it ends up causing problems we can't foresee, we will reevaluate.
Also want to just post a reminder of our intent - our intent with these changes is not to nerf the Scourge Warlock. While they have a few outstanding powers, overall, they are underperforming, and we want to bring up the class as a whole while making the "crutch" powers like Tyrannical Threat not an absolute must-have for the class to function.
you obvioulsy read some of the warlock threads, thx a lot. 1. nice improvement to blades esp for PVP it will have give that encounter a chance 2. Pillar of power may work that way 3. speed up 15% from shadow slip, essential for PVP as far as you are not BIS, good decision 4. immunity frame 1 second and down at 40% in 4 seconds, as far as I understood? I think a dodge like ability is needed in PVP for the warlock, though finetuning maybe needed.
All in all I can see your efforts in making the class more flexible and I also agree about those core feats and powers wich overperformed like TT , puppet and IS. In case you nerf those core abilities you have to lift encounter pretty much to cover the dps loss.
In PVE my damantion puppet deals +50% followed by TT with about 30% overall damage more or less, on singel target the puppet nearly solos the boss in a max buff party, somehow redicules watching the boss being 4-hittet from 60% health somtimes. Being Fury TT is the one that deals +50% overaldamage. Immolation spirits especially as a damnationlock deal a lot of damage on single target, at maxed sparks they out-dps the caster sometimes, besides the puppet. -->So the true paingiver looks like: 1.puppet 2.TR 3.CW 4.immolationspirit 5. Warlock himself
As far as Pillar of Power goes it sounds nice . But as an HB Fury I have found that even casting TT was often a death sentance due to it slow cast time . And you want me to stand still to use this power .No thanks I see the camp fire to many times as it is. You should give one of the Tanks TT it is the best taunt in the game.
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If nothing else a parse of Temp feats should be done to make sure they fit in with the current cost/benefits of other feats.
e.g. Vampiric Sparks needs boosting by 4-5 times it's current value.
Even if you were to rock Hellbringer, Pillar of Power or some other encounter would ultimately supersede Vampiric Embrace. It would be better to provide yourself and allies with non-stackable (through repeated used of Vampiric Embrace) temp HP equal to x% of your max HP as a capstone for the Temptation tree. Temp HP would be way better than Vampiric Embrace healing allies for x%.
Vamp Embrace is indeed a trap in it's current state.
Edit: I use compounded soul anyhow
Hope Stealer the Life Steal feat in Tier 1 was fixed, Vamp Sparks hasn't been touched. Whose numbers could use a buff too of course...
I can tell you Compounded Soul procs (and reprocs) constantly on cursed targets, especially with Blades of Vanquished Armies, on xbox. Do you have means of further evaluating on the preview server?
While surely not a life saver, 5% temp HP is fair if it constantly procs IMO.
Change the melee Hand of Blight to function somewhat like the GF's Cleave. It can put a defensive debuff on multiple targets and do some nice AoE damage. To make it both work well in Single Target and AoE it can be tweaked like some GWF powers that the damage is decreased for every x target hit. Then it can deal nice single target damage, yet also deal nice AoE, but not be too powerful.
Are those changes the old ones? proc form all damage sources or a new one(s)
Once thing obvious, HB templock with combo:
Encounters > BoVa + Pillar of Power
At will: hands of blight
Class features: Shadow walk + Flames of Empowerment.
Will be kinda good in melee fights.
ouch.
Nice.
In order to utilize this changes in pve, well, firstly u try to hit all possible monsters with at wills in order trigger this effect(mark), then hit with heavy artilery(encounters).
Wait didn't we had similar stuff with curse mechanic, which where cursing/marking targets become 70% of game content?
Or as some suggested we back to Tyrannical Curse,> curse victim then cast at will bang all marked then use all remaining powers..
Over all great single target dmg boost.
Finally I will be able to do combo Accursed soul + Curse bite.
Thats a big boost, Flames of Empowerment become at will focused feature, Prince of hell will be the ones who goes with aoe build, in epic dungeons or if he plans to more stay away from close range fight. With this changes I want ask for clarification.
Current Pillar of power provide benefits not for yourself, but for anyone who step inside its effect area.
So question does it still provide benefits for anyone else or its only self buffing?
Plus also since warlock release it was old suggestion. To widen its effect area,
Even with current change which allow more to survive, it takes away mobility, the area of effect kinda small.
Here is picture of current Pillar of power area effect and on top I hold gate of hell invocation circle.
I suggest to widen Pillar of power Area of effect to match gate of hell invocation circle size,
So if Pillar of power If its for self benefits it large area of effect will provide mobility even in this small area.
If its affect party members too. Then more players could get benefits from it..
I hope u will do that. Even in current guild some guys keep asking why I do not change to soulbinder. similar stuffs happens during epic dungeons. And party member keep telling me> respect to SB.. And as always I say >hell no<
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cw when use teleport get ~1 second immunity? Plus get u in any direction u look by 25 feet
DC moves you 8 feet in any direction, since I played with DC and most of time when i used it I avoided incoming hits with no fail even by casting in red/danger zone received 0 dmg. So I assume its also grant ~1 s immunity,
Hr by nwo wiki > So when warlock will try use shadow slip and move 8 feet, obvious that he lose ~1 immunity. By trying tapping every ~1s and try get 100% immunity u will not get far away either. And lets say u click and spent all stamina away, which I don't think someone gona do it in pvp. Cw and HR have biggest chance to catch u anyways + u could not hit them.
So by theory it not like shadow slip will bring radical change.. But provide some chances to survive..
however everything will be clear during practical testings..
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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It works consistently with both Warlocks Curses and Lesser Curses and generates the correct amount of Temp HP.
* I slotted BotVA, HarrowS, DT and Accursed Souls with All-Consuming Curse and churned through groups of 5-15 trolls or hammerers at a time in IWD for 30 minutes. Naturally there was some downtime in-between fights and changing loadouts but I self-procced CS about 500 times in that period.
AS has a target cap of 5 and does its tool-tip damage in 2 parts - a first hit for about 40% immediately and a second hit 1.5 seconds later for the remaining 60%.
It appears that the 2 hits actually have separate damage rolls (the ratio isn't consistent but appears to be around 2:3) but they do share the same Critical Hit roll - i.e. if the first part crits the second does too and the second only crits when the first does.
The heal is generated off of the first hit and is based on 50% of the damage done by it with your heal bonuses applied after.
The Soul Puppet appears after the second hit.
In the version currently on preview the Lesser Curse appears to be applied with the second damage hit - expect this to be different in the upcoming changes.
It's hard to tell exactly but it looks like the second hit doesn't generate Soul Sparks but does proc weapon enchantments.
What does this mean?
You are safe to ani-cancel after the first hit goes off and can expect to heal for about 20% of the total damage done.
At one point, I had up to 170% RI with only 4k from the Stronghold armor pen boon. Want to know where it got me in PvP? Nowhere.
The majority of the time, against an equally geared opponent, I was still hitting for only 20% of my base attack (GWF, GF, DC, and generally anyone wearing a negation). The DoTs from Creeping Death / SW encounters have the following issues:
1) They needle (rather than burst) the opponent, stacking their negation.
2) DoTs proc the opponent's deflect healing insignia, basically giving it 100% uptime.
3) Such minor damage is dealt that the encounters / DoTs cannot keep up with the opponent's self healing capabilities.
Consider an endgame PvP opponent has:
1) A cumulative ~100% DR from tenacity score (DR and ArP resistance)
2) ~30% DR from defense on squishy classes and up to ~60% on GFs.
3) 30% DR from negation
4) x% from you-name-it. Shield, unstoppable, feats, encounters, class features, etc. etc. etc.
Add all these up and you can see why stacking armor pen has become borderline irrelevant against a solid opponent. Sure, you can nuke a lesser geared player if your RI exceeds their aggregate mitigation, I understand that... But its much better to stack power and crit with a dread enchant if you want to deal damage as a SW in PvP IMO.
I'd like some feedback from those on preview testing the SW's survivability when the Shadow Slip immunity frame is loaded. If it works how I think it will, its a major needed upgrade. We may not be able to be the DPS dealers we're supposed to be, but perhaps the survivability will be there.
But yeah, shadow walk now looks even better for pvp. Movement speed is reduced but you benefit from deflection and life steal. And yet there is nice warding curse for reducing incoming damage and dark prayers aren't that bad. Yet, you can focus on offensive end with all consuming curse - variety of class features increased a little for pvp.
About recovery - well it's reduce cooldowns (pretty nice on killing flames). With 2600 recovery, 630 action point gain and a snail I didn't have to use sigil of devoted to keep my daily perma up.
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
I'm going to watch them when I get home as I'd like to see the new gameplay.
Is there anything you can say about the SW changes from the eGWD runs?
I will do more test runs after new preview patch will be on so it will be more accurate.
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
BoVa will be used as it we did before mod 6.
Curse bite showed that in order to properly utilize it u need have luck. Thats mean apply lesser curses(possible with Accursed sou Actually I would like to ask u to do testings for hellbringer path. After all it would be more clear what HB lack if u used same gear set as u now use with SB.
Even If I put table with numbers I would not be able compare with your SB due gear differences and gameplay too.
And most important reason why I ask. Is that better test by yourself rather than read 100 times of someones claims..
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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Soul Scorch: yeah, indeed best encouter. Killing Flames can do more damage but we can't spam it
BoVA: great spark generation (even better combined with Essence Defiler's casting speed increase) and now it grants a lot of deflection (25%)
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
If possible and if u are not busy do test run with current changes.. It could be big value when compare difference with current and ones which will come with next patch. But if u are busy its not big deal
Well about couple minutes had eToS in normal server and as always same idea keep getting in my head.
We have wraith of shadow. DoT with chance to go immobility debuff.
So I though well why devs simply didn't use "Syndrith High Priestess of Lolth" spider web mechanic, which he drops on ground.
So suggestion would be like:
If warlock cast Wraith of Shadow on target who are not affected by curse/lesser curse/TC, have same effect as current Wraith of shadow do.
But if Warlock cast this encounter who is affected by curse/lesser curse/TC. Instantly make spider web area as Priestess of Lolth does. And plus we could add similar effect as boss does(Minor Damage outcome reduction + slowing down in that area. With ability to change effect to immobility .(that part with immorbility still questionable)
So this power become strong aoe CC/debuff for many monsters and good for single target too.
What do u think about this my old idea.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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1. nice improvement to blades esp for PVP it will have give that encounter a chance
2. Pillar of power may work that way
3. speed up 15% from shadow slip, essential for PVP as far as you are not BIS, good decision
4. immunity frame 1 second and down at 40% in 4 seconds, as far as I understood? I think a dodge like ability is needed in PVP for the warlock, though finetuning maybe needed.
All in all I can see your efforts in making the class more flexible and I also agree about those core feats and powers wich overperformed like TT , puppet and IS.
In case you nerf those core abilities you have to lift encounter pretty much to cover the dps loss.
In PVE my damantion puppet deals +50% followed by TT with about 30% overall damage more or less, on singel target the puppet nearly solos the boss in a max buff party, somehow redicules watching the boss being 4-hittet from 60% health somtimes.
Being Fury TT is the one that deals +50% overaldamage.
Immolation spirits especially as a damnationlock deal a lot of damage on single target, at maxed sparks they out-dps the caster sometimes, besides the puppet.
-->So the true paingiver looks like: 1.puppet 2.TR 3.CW 4.immolationspirit 5. Warlock himself