And dont forget that Lostmauth was a terrible dungeon compared to ALL of the pre-existings ones. We had A grade dungeons and everyone expected at least a new dungeon of the same quality, however all we got was a skirmish dungeon with no actual dungeon design, and pathetic minibosses and boss fights. It was evidently clear that from that point someone abandoned game, lowered the quality down to minimum and we all yelled "Brace for impact"...And yet now we feel happy cause we ONLY have Lostmauth to play for over a year and we pray they dont remove that also and introduce a Demonic Heroic Encounter Dungeon like CN is going to be...
Moderators always say stop writing griefing posts blah blah blah....HOW CAN WE NOT GRIEF OVER A DEAD BODY WE ONCE LOVED?
Frankly I'm surprised there are this many players left to get so worked up over this. NWO is in maintenance mode. They churn new players to pump them for cash then dump them when they get to the end and say "Is this really it?" If there was ever a time to join everyone else who has moved on, now is it. This game is casuals only. Hardcore players looking for epic content and challenges need no longer apply.
Frankly I'm surprised there are this many players left to get so worked up over this. NWO is in maintenance mode. They churn new players to pump them for cash then dump them when they get to the end and say "Is this really it?" If there was ever a time to join everyone else who has moved on, now is it. This game is casuals only. Hardcore players looking for epic content and challenges need no longer apply.
So, move on then
If you are going and not just spreading dissent, it's best just to rip the bandage off and gtfo.
Why is there such a big discussion for this? It's pretty simple. They are adding 4 old dungeons. What more is there to that?
Because people wanted the return of more EPIC dungeons...and they only got one poor one. Meanwhile, the Devs are returning four leveling dungeons, which almost nobody that i know of was asking for.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
Oh, people want the levelling dungeons back, but they want them as a garnish to the main course of epic dungeons.
It really is like expecting you were invited to a feast and being handed a sprig of parsley.
Frankly I'm surprised there are this many players left to get so worked up over this. NWO is in maintenance mode. They churn new players to pump them for cash then dump them when they get to the end and say "Is this really it?" If there was ever a time to join everyone else who has moved on, now is it. This game is casuals only. Hardcore players looking for epic content and challenges need no longer apply.
So, move on then
If you are going and not just spreading dissent, it's best just to rip the bandage off and gtfo.
This once was a game that I enjoyed and put a hell of a lot into. I was passionate about it. I am desperately unhappy that the game has continued down this path. If you are totally cool with the state of things then bully 4 u. If you disagree with me and think the devs are totally in tune with the player's desires and not just making a money grab as the game hits its EOL then you are entitled to that opinion. As for me, I moved on a while back, but like many I kept hoping for that spark to return. The initial announcement sounded just like that. Now it just seems like it was trick to trap more players into buying zen and VIP thinking all will be well.
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matiagronxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 251Arc User
It really was just another trick, one of many, to trap more players into buying zen and VIP thinking all will be well. Its non-ethical but legal. Its the CLASSIC way Cryptic acts towards customers, its been done so many times the last 3 years i cant even get mad anymore when i see it.
Frankly I'm surprised there are this many players left to get so worked up over this. NWO is in maintenance mode. They churn new players to pump them for cash then dump them when they get to the end and say "Is this really it?" If there was ever a time to join everyone else who has moved on, now is it. This game is casuals only. Hardcore players looking for epic content and challenges need no longer apply.
So, move on then
If you are going and not just spreading dissent, it's best just to rip the bandage off and gtfo.
This once was a game that I enjoyed and put a hell of a lot into. I was passionate about it. I am desperately unhappy that the game has continued down this path. If you are totally cool with the state of things then bully 4 u. If you disagree with me and think the devs are totally in tune with the player's desires and not just making a money grab as the game hits its EOL then you are entitled to that opinion. As for me, I moved on a while back, but like many I kept hoping for that spark to return. The initial announcement sounded just like that. Now it just seems like it was trick to trap more players into buying zen and VIP thinking all will be well.
It's weird dude. It's like hanging on to a relationship that ended.
It is better for you and everyone else if you just move on and don't dwell on relationships that make you unhappy.
If you like painting (just another hobby for example) and tried watercolor, got into it, then decided you did not like it and moved on to oils, would you go around bashing watercolor to everyone? Or just move on to oils?
Frankly I'm surprised there are this many players left to get so worked up over this. NWO is in maintenance mode. They churn new players to pump them for cash then dump them when they get to the end and say "Is this really it?" If there was ever a time to join everyone else who has moved on, now is it. This game is casuals only. Hardcore players looking for epic content and challenges need no longer apply.
So, move on then
If you are going and not just spreading dissent, it's best just to rip the bandage off and gtfo.
This once was a game that I enjoyed and put a hell of a lot into. I was passionate about it. I am desperately unhappy that the game has continued down this path. If you are totally cool with the state of things then bully 4 u. If you disagree with me and think the devs are totally in tune with the player's desires and not just making a money grab as the game hits its EOL then you are entitled to that opinion. As for me, I moved on a while back, but like many I kept hoping for that spark to return. The initial announcement sounded just like that. Now it just seems like it was trick to trap more players into buying zen and VIP thinking all will be well.
It's weird dude. It's like hanging on to a relationship that ended.
It is better for you and everyone else if you just move on and don't dwell on relationships that make you unhappy.
If you like painting (just another hobby for example) and tried watercolor, got into it, then decided you did not like it and moved on to oils, would you go around bashing watercolor to everyone? Or just move on to oils?
If my watercolors were telling me they were oils... I just might....
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I'd like to know how Cryptic destroyed Forsaken world. That would really be a neat trick.
Pwe owns Cryptic!
Yea, so that makes it a pretty one way street. Not an equal partnership. So there is little Cryptic can do, or say, to influence any games it didn't create or develop. Especially not games developed by said owners.
Frankly I'm surprised there are this many players left to get so worked up over this. NWO is in maintenance mode. They churn new players to pump them for cash then dump them when they get to the end and say "Is this really it?" If there was ever a time to join everyone else who has moved on, now is it. This game is casuals only. Hardcore players looking for epic content and challenges need no longer apply.
So, move on then
If you are going and not just spreading dissent, it's best just to rip the bandage off and gtfo.
This once was a game that I enjoyed and put a hell of a lot into. I was passionate about it. I am desperately unhappy that the game has continued down this path. If you are totally cool with the state of things then bully 4 u. If you disagree with me and think the devs are totally in tune with the player's desires and not just making a money grab as the game hits its EOL then you are entitled to that opinion. As for me, I moved on a while back, but like many I kept hoping for that spark to return. The initial announcement sounded just like that. Now it just seems like it was trick to trap more players into buying zen and VIP thinking all will be well.
It's weird dude. It's like hanging on to a relationship that ended.
It is better for you and everyone else if you just move on and don't dwell on relationships that make you unhappy.
If you like painting (just another hobby for example) and tried watercolor, got into it, then decided you did not like it and moved on to oils, would you go around bashing watercolor to everyone? Or just move on to oils?
It's OK FC, you needn't worry about me or my hobbies. If you want to defend cryptic and it's decisions like you are a paid astroturfer, that's fine. Just don't tell me how to react as I watch the good ship Neverwinter piloted to the ocean depths by people I'm not allowed to name. You also need to understand that there were 7 pages of "dissent" prior to me even posting so I'm not feeling lonely in my dissatisfaction with those who plotted this course.
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dragoness10Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 780Arc User
edited February 2016
OMG - chill. I'm looking forward to helping lowbies level up in new ways. I'm looking forwards to see the old dungeons back.
Besides if it's going non-epic surely it just can be added to the ques like Grey Wolf Den as a three man dungeon?
They're not done with this stuff yet. Wait for the finished product before a posterior wobble.
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OMG - chill. I'm looking forward to helping lowbies level up in new ways. I'm looking forwards to see the old dungeons back.
Besides if it's going non-epic surely it just can be added to the ques like Grey Wolf Den as a three man dungeon?
They're not done with this stuff yet. Wait for the finished product before a posterior wobble.
That's what they're doing ...
And at the rate they're going they'll add one epic dungeon a year.
We don't need low level dungeons because you breeze through those level anyways. Maybe if they added them at 60-69 it would make more sense, but they aren't.
AFAIK there was no false advertising. The usual spin doctoring by Mr. Shicoff or whatever exec, yes.
I have been following this company enough to expect the "twisted wish".
Again, if you are really unhappy just move on. It's self-poison to stick around.
Yes there was false advertising. Directly from the blog: "Epic Dungeons are available once you reach level 70. These are either revisited versions of regular dungeons or new end-game-only dungeons."
The revisited versions as stated are eToS, eGWD and eCC which are already in the game. So let's go to the "new end-game-only dungeonS". Castle Never is A dungeon, not dungeonS. Notice the difference between plural and singular.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
People are entitled to give feedback, whether its postive or negative, I always wonder why the argument of.. if you dont like it, go away seems to be a trump card for some of you.
I didnt like leadership changes and I posted.. oh 300 threads about costing concerns.. and to date.. ALMOST every concern feedback I listed has been changed or altered.. Because it was the right thing to do.. they were TOO slow with it, and in doing so lost thousands of players.
So .. I shouldve NOT giving my NEGATIVE feedback and just say.. oh honky donkey.. whatever, I ll just move on?
OR I should give my negative feedback and tell them they are full of garbage and get over themselves and give US stuff we actual want?
Like many, Ive played for awhile.. I want something more then leveling dungeons.. I also believe the "false" type of "spin" is a little decieving at best.. at worst they clearly do not UNDERSTAND at all what player feedback has pointed to.
All I can do is give my feedback.. if that makes a few of you sore, because its a little negative in tone.. but it generates the results the MAJORITY of players actual want.. I could care less about stepping on some toes in between.
They have failed our community , the gamers and most of all the TRADITION of MMO's, there is a history to this stuff and they clearly are making it WORSE not better. Tell me today.. right now, that neverwinter has added to MMO's in general? You cant.. I know you cant, because Ive played most of the major ones.
Eventually, yes if nothing changes even I will leave.. but until then.. I will give my feedback and I believe I actual represent the majority most of the time.. maybe not IN how I express it, but IN the actual request for change of process.
Its nothing self poisining about it.. the game isnt doing whats right, they are doing whats clearly not percieved to be acceptable. If we DONT give feedback how can that change?
People are entitled to give feedback, whether its postive or negative, I always wonder why the argument of.. if you dont like it, go away seems to be a trump card for some of you.
I didnt like leadership changes and I posted.. oh 300 threads about costing concerns.. and to date.. ALMOST every concern feedback I listed has been changed or altered.. Because it was the right thing to do.. they were TOO slow with it, and in doing so lost thousands of players.
So .. I shouldve NOT giving my NEGATIVE feedback and just say.. oh honky donkey.. whatever, I ll just move on?
OR I should give my negative feedback and tell them they are full of garbage and get over themselves and give US stuff we actual want?
Like many, Ive played for awhile.. I want something more then leveling dungeons.. I also believe the "false" type of "spin" is a little decieving at best.. at worst they clearly do not UNDERSTAND at all what player feedback has pointed to.
All I can do is give my feedback.. if that makes a few of you sore, because its a little negative in tone.. but it generates the results the MAJORITY of players actual want.. I could care less about stepping on some toes in between.
They have failed our community , the gamers and most of all the TRADITION of MMO's, there is a history to this stuff and they clearly are making it WORSE not better. Tell me today.. right now, that neverwinter has added to MMO's in general? You cant.. I know you cant, because Ive played most of the major ones.
Eventually, yes if nothing changes even I will leave.. but until then.. I will give my feedback and I believe I actual represent the majority most of the time.. maybe not IN how I express it, but IN the actual request for change of process.
Its nothing self poisining about it.. the game isnt doing whats right, they are doing whats clearly not percieved to be acceptable. If we DONT give feedback how can that change?
I agree with you, but just one small correction. You represent the majority of the players, who are to stubborn or to invested, to move on. Looking at my FL, guilds and talking to friends, te real majority stopped playing.
When they introduced the LS changes I wrote something like, 'adjust the prices ASAP and dont wonder, if there is no one arround in 1/2 a year, to pad your back, if you dont react quickly'. I hate to be right.
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santralafaxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,896Arc User
edited February 2016
Last April they unleashed EE, a very painful mod for pretty much everyone. Huge exodus. About six months later, Leadership is stripped of AD. Another exodus. Now, about six months later, dungeons are scrapped permanently. Permanently. What do you think will happen?
It's become a pattern.
It's pretty hard to believe they can't re-tune a dungeon once a mod, or once a quarter, and put it back out. That would have us with 3 more re-tooled EPIC dungeons already.
And the new stuff @asterdahl says they are doing instead, well, doesn't hold a candle to the stuff they took away.
People are entitled to give feedback, whether its postive or negative, I always wonder why the argument of.. if you dont like it, go away seems to be a trump card for some of you.
I didnt like leadership changes and I posted.. oh 300 threads about costing concerns.. and to date.. ALMOST every concern feedback I listed has been changed or altered.. Because it was the right thing to do.. they were TOO slow with it, and in doing so lost thousands of players.
So .. I shouldve NOT giving my NEGATIVE feedback and just say.. oh honky donkey.. whatever, I ll just move on?
OR I should give my negative feedback and tell them they are full of garbage and get over themselves and give US stuff we actual want?
Like many, Ive played for awhile.. I want something more then leveling dungeons.. I also believe the "false" type of "spin" is a little decieving at best.. at worst they clearly do not UNDERSTAND at all what player feedback has pointed to.
All I can do is give my feedback.. if that makes a few of you sore, because its a little negative in tone.. but it generates the results the MAJORITY of players actual want.. I could care less about stepping on some toes in between.
They have failed our community , the gamers and most of all the TRADITION of MMO's, there is a history to this stuff and they clearly are making it WORSE not better. Tell me today.. right now, that neverwinter has added to MMO's in general? You cant.. I know you cant, because Ive played most of the major ones.
Eventually, yes if nothing changes even I will leave.. but until then.. I will give my feedback and I believe I actual represent the majority most of the time.. maybe not IN how I express it, but IN the actual request for change of process.
Its nothing self poisining about it.. the game isnt doing whats right, they are doing whats clearly not percieved to be acceptable. If we DONT give feedback how can that change?
I agree with you, but just one small correction. You represent the majority of the players, who are to stubborn or to invested, to move on. Looking at my FL, guilds and talking to friends, te real majority stopped playing.
When they introduced the LS changes I wrote something like, 'adjust the prices ASAP and dont wonder, if there is no one arround in 1/2 a year, to pad your back, if you dont react quickly'. I hate to be right.
The abhorrent handling of leadership right on the heals of the disaster of Mod6 was why I was on my way out. The ignoring of most of our feedback during the testing of Mod7 was why I left. Mod 8 was why I didn't come back. Mod 9 is why I think this game is no longer a major concern for PWE as it obviously is on a shoestring budget with a tiny team to keep the lights on and the new guys buying stuff, but everyone else who stays simply has yet to find their new home. Most of my FL had already vacated by the time I left and it was hard to say goodbye to the rest, but as FC stated it was the healthy thing to do. I just cant support a game that no longer supports or listens to it's community.
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Moderators always say stop writing griefing posts blah blah blah....HOW CAN WE NOT GRIEF OVER A DEAD BODY WE ONCE LOVED?
If you are going and not just spreading dissent, it's best just to rip the bandage off and gtfo.
That was the only reason they were removed.
It really is like expecting you were invited to a feast and being handed a sprig of parsley.
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Then I heard it was just CN and lvling dungeons after half of year of being removed and missing and im like...
edit: i am not surprised. still though.. w.t.f
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It is better for you and everyone else if you just move on and don't dwell on relationships that make you unhappy.
If you like painting (just another hobby for example) and tried watercolor, got into it, then decided you did not like it and moved on to oils, would you go around bashing watercolor to everyone? Or just move on to oils?
I have been following this company enough to expect the "twisted wish".
Again, if you are really unhappy just move on. It's self-poison to stick around.
Besides if it's going non-epic surely it just can be added to the ques like Grey Wolf Den as a three man dungeon?
They're not done with this stuff yet. Wait for the finished product before a posterior wobble.
"Why is it dragons only use ketchup? I'd like a little wasabi please. Us silvers like a variety of condiments."
"Don't call them foolish mortals. One, they don't learn from it. Two, It just ticks them off." - An Ancient Red Dragon
And at the rate they're going they'll add one epic dungeon a year.
We don't need low level dungeons because you breeze through those level anyways. Maybe if they added them at 60-69 it would make more sense, but they aren't.
Directly from the blog:
"Epic Dungeons are available once you reach level 70. These are either revisited versions of regular dungeons or new end-game-only dungeons."
The revisited versions as stated are eToS, eGWD and eCC which are already in the game. So let's go to the "new end-game-only dungeonS". Castle Never is A dungeon, not dungeonS. Notice the difference between plural and singular.
I didnt like leadership changes and I posted.. oh 300 threads about costing concerns.. and to date.. ALMOST every concern feedback I listed has been changed or altered.. Because it was the right thing to do.. they were TOO slow with it, and in doing so lost thousands of players.
So .. I shouldve NOT giving my NEGATIVE feedback and just say.. oh honky donkey.. whatever, I ll just move on?
OR I should give my negative feedback and tell them they are full of garbage and get over themselves and give US stuff we actual want?
Like many, Ive played for awhile.. I want something more then leveling dungeons.. I also believe the "false" type of "spin" is a little decieving at best.. at worst they clearly do not UNDERSTAND at all what player feedback has pointed to.
All I can do is give my feedback.. if that makes a few of you sore, because its a little negative in tone.. but it generates the results the MAJORITY of players actual want.. I could care less about stepping on some toes in between.
They have failed our community , the gamers and most of all the TRADITION of MMO's, there is a history to this stuff and they clearly are making it WORSE not better. Tell me today.. right now, that neverwinter has added to MMO's in general? You cant.. I know you cant, because Ive played most of the major ones.
Eventually, yes if nothing changes even I will leave.. but until then.. I will give my feedback and I believe I actual represent the majority most of the time.. maybe not IN how I express it, but IN the actual request for change of process.
Its nothing self poisining about it.. the game isnt doing whats right, they are doing whats clearly not percieved to be acceptable.
If we DONT give feedback how can that change?
When they introduced the LS changes I wrote something like, 'adjust the prices ASAP and dont wonder, if there is no one arround in 1/2 a year, to pad your back, if you dont react quickly'. I hate to be right.
It's become a pattern.
It's pretty hard to believe they can't re-tune a dungeon once a mod, or once a quarter, and put it back out. That would have us with 3 more re-tooled EPIC dungeons already.
And the new stuff @asterdahl says they are doing instead, well, doesn't hold a candle to the stuff they took away.