Almost everything you have written is incorrect, I will only address some of the main falsities. - smoke bomb and rooting, useless for bosses and useless for trash mobs because they melt like butter now, so they are useless - the GWF is more survivable than most other classes, which means its more tanky than most other, which means it should not have such a big dps gap over others - On who is first on trash mobs, look at paingiver before and after the three boss fights on ELOL, they will all show the huge dps that GWF does over others - finally, you and all the GWFs that defend the GWF by saying "its skill" or "the others don't know how to play", you are really trying to say to everyone that all the others classes don't know how to play and that the GWF is not overpowered. I suppose you must be right, its truly a great coincidence that all the skilled players play GWF and all the idiots play the rest.
Smokebomb ofc is useless at bosses. Like all the other nice CC gimmicks. I never saw a boss stunned after opression ^^. But for eCC a lot ( the most?) CWs using it. Dunno why. Heared rumors about some spikes If you talkin about T1 dungoens like elol...Sure they are melting. But not only with GWFs. You can melt them with every dps class. Its T1....easy mode.
A GWF isnt a tank at all. He must also avoid red circles. Event when he got unstoppable. Try to stay with unstoppable at blackdagger when he makes his front cleaves...youll see ( you can see it in ecc solo vid from lazalia too). And if you wanna be a "tanky" GWF you have to make a sentinel. For PVE its totaly worthless.
I saw a lot of TRs they are equal in gear with GWFS and i saw ACT ( maybe you should use it?) from both. Good TRs are great dps makers. Why? Last time i saw an TR in edemo that makes 5 mio more dps than our 4k GWF. Why? I think TRs are OP. NERF THEM!! NOW!!
If you say a GWF makes too much dps and GWFs are overpowered and you dont got a clue how a GWF works, yes, i will say learn to play. Your also one of theese that dont have any argument how you will compansate a nerf at GWFs. Only thing i read from you is: "GWF is to OP. Nerf him. Cant be that he makes such a huges dps."
I said its tanky, not a tank, after the GF and OP, they are the most tanky.
Also you can stop insulting peoples intelligence, one does not need an IQ of 180 to understand how the GWF works, its not a great mystery, Cryptic made another mistake. The numbers don't lie, the amount of dps that the GWF does it ridiculous, I have yet to see a single GWF say that those were lies. I say go ahead and post a comment title of "TR/HR overpowered" instead, if you believe in what you wrote there.
Just a small correction, smoke bomb is a tr ability and CW's don't use it. The reason we use AoE CC abilities for boss fights though is they tick multiple times and hit more then once, for example icy terrain. This means that if they crit, they can proc storm spell multiple times. Storm spell is a major source of CW damage, like 30% of it, so maximizing the procs is important. single target abilities normally only hit once, so they can proc storm spell only once.
I know its a tr ability. I made the point with op to show that most CC effects dont work on bosses. U use icy terrain for a tick. I never saw a boss frozen cuzz he was standing in icy terrain. That was my point. Smokebomb makes dps too But thx for this small correction and sry if i write things not perfect. English isnt my native language but ill try to give my best.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Just a small correction, smoke bomb is a tr ability and CW's don't use it. The reason we use AoE CC abilities for boss fights though is they tick multiple times and hit more then once, for example icy terrain. This means that if they crit, they can proc storm spell multiple times. Storm spell is a major source of CW damage, like 30% of it, so maximizing the procs is important. single target abilities normally only hit once, so they can proc storm spell only once.
I know its a tr ability. I made the point with op to show that most CC effects dont work on bosses. U use icy terrain for a tick. I never saw a boss frozen cuzz he was standing in icy terrain. That was my point. Smokebomb makes dps too But thx for this small correction and sry if i write things not perfect. English isnt my native language but ill try to give my best.
I know, after rereading your post I saw what you were referring to and edited, my apologies
I think nobody rly had balls to answer this one question, what will gwf become if his dps will be on pair with other classes? Who would take gwf if he cant drop Smoke Bomb, cant drop Opressive Force or root everything around him?
(Sin)cerely Kain
He will be dps... Better dps then the ranged dps, worse then the TR since the GWF is much more durable. I think the GWF should be at around 20% more dps. Do you really want 400% more dps? Do you really think that is fair? No one takes a CW to have them use oppressive force, or take a hunter for the root, or a rogue for the smoke bomb. They are DPS, nothing more.
But i could ask you the same sort of question...What will a CW be when everything is immune/nearly immune to crowd control? When everyone in the party are immune to damage and the GWF's kill all target so fast that the CW can't even get to 6 stacks of chill? "I think nobody rly had balls to answer this one question"
Remember that CW, TR, HR and none puppet SW don't join groups to be crowd control, they have only one purpose in a group, that is to be DPS. The same role that the GWF fills, only he dos it 400% better.
Someone was trying to deflect the accusation that a GWF was to much dps when comparing with the other dps classes, by claiming that a DC was to much healing when compared to a dps class (himself on a GWF)... Funny in a pathetic and sad way...
gwf, a primary striker, do more damage than a secundary one in a SMALLER PROPORTION than the secundary striker do to non strikers.
hrs and rogues, even being primary strikers, do LESS DAMAGE than a secundary striker. LESS
THIS ONE is the argument that no single person here really beat
so what is that "gwf do more damage than everyone? "everyone" here is just 2, and that 2 classes are far behind to what should do. "everyone else" DONT MATTER. who matter, rogues and hrs, need stop to be mediocre strikers and poor controllers to be MAIN STRIKERS, SECUNDARY CONTROLLERS.
AND i have balls to answer about cws: I DONT CARE. no one care about defenders be useless in the past. but be defender become a important thing few modules ago and, to that happens, THE GENERAL PATERN OF DAMAGE DONT CHANGE.
Also you can stop insulting peoples intelligence, one does not need an IQ of 180 to understand how the GWF works, its not a great mystery, Cryptic made another mistake. The numbers don't lie, the amount of dps that the GWF does it ridiculous, I have yet to see a single GWF say that those were lies. I say go ahead and post a comment title of "TR/HR overpowered" instead, if you believe in what you wrote there.
I dont insult ppl inteligence. Maybe you read it, but i never ment it ( and i never wrote it too). What numbers you talkin? Give my at least 1 ACT log with a GWF and a CW/TR equal eqipped. At least 1 plz....in spider for example, cuzz its the easiest T2. I say it again only for you: Nerf is not the solution! If you really know how a GWF works, you must know that he can only make one thing in pve ( hint: its not CC)! Any compansate if you wanna nerf GWFs in dps? Nop. Not from you. You just wanna nerf this class. Maybe its ok for you, but my opinion? Easy to say nerf a class if you dont know how you will compansate it. Thats why i think you got no clue how a GWF works. A GWF without his selfbuffs makes same dps as a CW/HR/TR. Try it and youll see it. And not every GWF is a beast like Lazalia or our Main GWF. Funny thing is: All really good GWFs dont care who is number 1 in paingiver. They just wanna do T2/edemo smooth and with fun. They dont care about dps at all.
P.S.: Funny ^^. Search in forum about overpowered TRs and you find some nice threads. Ok...for PVP...but you can find them.
Remember that CW, TR, HR and none puppet SW don't join groups to be crowd control, they have only one purpose in a group, that is to be DPS. The same role that the GWF fills, only he dos it 400% better.
Thats a good point. I remember when module 6 came and thousands players claiming that all dungoens are to hard and they are impossible to do legit etc...etc...Cryptic listened and made it easy as hell. But not for all...usual players till have problems to make T2 legit. 400%? Gimme a break. Only BIS GWFs maybe. But if you take BIS CWs with Bis TRs and BIS HRs you also dont need no crowd controll in T2. Its not a "GWF thing". Its a game thing.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Also you can stop insulting peoples intelligence, one does not need an IQ of 180 to understand how the GWF works, its not a great mystery, Cryptic made another mistake. The numbers don't lie, the amount of dps that the GWF does it ridiculous, I have yet to see a single GWF say that those were lies. I say go ahead and post a comment title of "TR/HR overpowered" instead, if you believe in what you wrote there.
Thats a good point. I remember when module 6 came and thousands players claiming that all dungoens are to hard and they are impossible to do legit etc...etc...Cryptic listened and made it easy as hell. But not for all...usual players till have problems to make T2 legit. 400%? Gimme a break. Only BIS GWFs maybe. But if you take BIS CWs with Bis TRs and BIS HRs you also dont need no crowd controll in T2. Its not a "GWF thing". Its a game thing.
This is the important part, this game needs dungeons like epic dread vault in mod 0, with detailed mechanics that made you think. For a very long time the tactics for that dungeon involved "pushing monsters off cliffs while the dps killed the brain" and not just dps racing, it was much more intelligent then the boss fights today.
What will a CW be when everything is immune/nearly immune to crowd control? When everyone in the party are immune to damage and the GWF's kill all target so fast that the CW can't even get to 6 stacks of chill? "I think nobody rly had balls to answer this one question"
You seems to forget that CW was already called as the "KING of PVE" more than 3/4 Modules in a row, CW's Dominated every Party! CW was the main class which players most was looking for. So basically you already had "Your time",now let other classes enjoy it too.
You have a conclusion of other Classes been necessary or not, just because of Pug runs lol My guild runs everyday Dungeons there's almost rainbow parties every class, every IL is welcome, If you don't have a guild "get one, or talk to the leader to make some changes-
This is a Players own Problem not the problem of the class itself! (for the PvE part) Seriously you should not care about the dmg from other player focus on your own, if want to grow up.
<::::::[]==0 GwF 0==[]::::::> ● Still waiting for the promised Improvement ●
You seems to forget that CW was already called as the "KING of PVE" more than 3/4 Modules in a row, CW's Dominated every Party! CW was the main class which players most was looking for. So basically you already had "Your time",now let other classes enjoy it too.
Yes that was wrong and needed fixing, read my post, but thanks for making my point - GWF's are the new king of PVE and that needs to be fixed, Oh I am so glad we all agree.
just gonna edit this:
You do know that you just agreed that the GWF is totaly overpowerd and that your argument is that it is your turn to be totaly over powerd and that makes it all fair and balanced, RIGHT?
Yes that was wrong and needed fixing, read my post, but thanks for making my point - GWF's are the new king of PVE and that needs to be fixed, Oh I am so glad we all agree.
just gonna edit this:
You do know that you just agreed that the GWF is totaly overpowerd and that your argument is that it is your turn to be totaly over powerd and that makes it all fair and balanced, RIGHT?
I wouldn't say GWF is overp. or a most wanted class Because "Paladin is on the TOP right now, hes more needed than any other class thanks to the possibility to make all members nearly immune.
<::::::[]==0 GwF 0==[]::::::> ● Still waiting for the promised Improvement ●
Yes that was wrong and needed fixing, read my post, but thanks for making my point - GWF's are the new king of PVE and that needs to be fixed, Oh I am so glad we all agree.
You dont want a fix. You want a nerf. I dont see any agrument for compansating the "fix". You dont want balancing. I dont see any points of you to make a HR better or a TR. Your only claiming that GWF´s make to much dps and need a fix. And we both know what you mean with "fix"....sad but true.
then you take a look to the historical of CORTRILLION
15 posts, just ONE dont cry about gwfs. the others, surprise, surprise, talk about cws. this CW PLAYER create a account to complain ABOUT GWFS MORE THAN SUPPORT YOUR CLASS.
the op, 5 posts, 4 complain about gwfs.
why this thread still here? THIS IS NOT A TROLLING?
< This is the important part, this game needs dungeons like epic dread vault in mod 0, with detailed mechanics that made you think.
This will make my dream come true. But you know what happens if they give us the good ole dungeons back in modul 9 and they are really tough and not only brainless dps with an perm bubble pala? You know what happens if they are tricky and you need brain and movement? Thousands and thousands will be claiming that is too hard and that isnt fun anymore and why must it be so hard if its f2p etc...etc....<---same procedure like after every modul if dungeons getting harder. And if cryptic listens again to theese ppl they gonna make it easy as hell again. I want a dungeon where you have be really good and not everyone can make it. I need a challenge, not a free gift dungeon.
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tassedethe13Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 806Arc User
This is my opinion:
Nerf Lostmauth set ( Or the GWF weapon damage ) Up ( as it was said 2 mods before ) the SW Rework the Archery HR path
And the classes will be more balanced in term of damage.
For the OP, just add a longer cooldown to the buble and voila.
Instead of this we gonna have soon a new mount equivalent to a second lostmauth, brace yourselves, because GWF will do even more damage.
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clericalistMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 595Arc User
then you take a look to the historical of CORTRILLION
15 posts, just ONE dont cry about gwfs. the others, surprise, surprise, talk about cws. this CW PLAYER create a account to complain ABOUT GWFS MORE THAN SUPPORT YOUR CLASS.
the op, 5 posts, 4 complain about gwfs.
why this thread still here? THIS IS NOT A TROLLING?
Since when does one have to be that class to have a right to talk about it ? Nobody wants to be a 3rd class citizen in any MMO, its not trolling and its not whining, its wanting to have a good game not broken game.
from my point of view tr should be highest single target damage, cw and hr bad single target but excellent aoe. Gwf good aoe and a bit less single target than tr. This is not the case right now, we arent even close
Am I the only one thats getting a little tired of getting massively out DPS'd by GWF's on all my characters that I've spent alot of time, effort and money on? It's just a little frustrating when my 3.2K HR get's out DPS'd by a 2.4K GWF thats still using his Mulhorand Sword. I have a GWF as well and I enjoy playing him, but it just doesn't seem fair that the character I've spent countless hours on (my HR) is only "on par" with the GWF that I just got to 70 2 weeks ago.
They are obviously overbuffed. In the last year and a half we saw nothing just GWFs complaints so after mod5 cheesy intimidation build they bring another cheesy GWF buffs in mod6. Best weapon dmg, greater buff stack etc.
Now GWFs do 2-2,5 times more dmg in dungeons as other dps classes like HR/TR/CW. On Bis level obviously. SW can keep up with them in some cases but SW is a very support heavy class(tank+heal) and cannot really operate alone for long. Unsuitable for soloing stuff.
Oh and guess what GWFs are also very good for pvp too recently. Its very rare to pull that a class is good for pve and pvp as well. Usually just one.
Did the GWFs complains stopped? Cannot be noticed. They cleverly preemptively demand buffs for instigator knowing when the well deserved destro nerf would finally come they can easily switch to another paragon tree. They are expert in demanding compensations too!
This game needs another easily used melee dps class like Barbarian with short learning curve so these ppl would have a choice and don't have to congregate in one "everthing in one" type of class (dmg, offtank, able take a hit, easy-to-use, good pvper) .
Or we could relive the 3-4GWF/DC parties as for pre-mod4 Gauntgrlym-Dwarf King farm everywhere...
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stock and stone I can master, but there's a Wizard to manage here!
then you take a look to the historical of CORTRILLION
15 posts, just ONE dont cry about gwfs. the others, surprise, surprise, talk about cws. this CW PLAYER create a account to complain ABOUT GWFS MORE THAN SUPPORT YOUR CLASS.
the op, 5 posts, 4 complain about gwfs.
why this thread still here? THIS IS NOT A TROLLING?
Since when does one have to be that class to have a right to talk about it ? Nobody wants to be a 3rd class citizen in any MMO, its not trolling and its not whining, its wanting to have a good game not broken game.
if you want be "the first" is just support your class. THAT IS WHAT I DO. create a account JUST TO ASK FOR NERFS TO GWF is be a ANTI-GWF. A TROLL. is the same to say "i dont care to be the top one, just to destroy the top one, that means, a gwfs."
is so obvious... why i need explain that? (rhetorical question,of course)
right now, hrs and trs dont over dps even a secundary striker like a cw, so, why should overdps a gwf? the others DONT MATTER speaking about damage.
then you take a look to the historical of CORTRILLION
15 posts, just ONE dont cry about gwfs. the others, surprise, surprise, talk about cws. this CW PLAYER create a account to complain ABOUT GWFS MORE THAN SUPPORT YOUR CLASS.
the op, 5 posts, 4 complain about gwfs.
why this thread still here? THIS IS NOT A TROLLING?
First, you angry little man (mental image, I dont know if it is true). You do know I dident start this post right? I have a hard time understanding you, but it looks like your saying, that because i also play a CW (and i do) I can't point out that the GWF is overpowerd in the dps department? So even though it is clear to every one that I am right, you don't agree, not because you can defend your points, but because you can't and it makes you angry?
Second, nice... Really nice, I think my point has been proven beyond a doubt. Or is there a GWF player (i am also one, at that) that can make a good case as to why a GWF should be 300% - 400% (revised it, true it isent always 400% just close to) above the other dps classes when it comes to dps. Without resorting to personal attacks please, they dont make your point, just show your lack of one. And please, no more "But another class was overpowerd a year ago, now it is the GWF's turn to be overpowerd!!". If another class was a year ago, where the GWF is today, and got nerffed, that just proves the point about the GWF is overpowerd. If a class is to strong it gets fixed to be in line with the other classes, they should not take turns being completely out of wack and overpowerd, that is just idiotic. It is a better game for all if all classes are in balance, I hope every one will agree.
Because i get out dps ed on trash mob, im sure tr has better single target that cws. We dont want to be paingivers, we want to fit our roles. A gwf is doing 3x my damage on single target as a tr. thats just wrong
No GWF cares if the lostset get nerfed. But why should they nerf the GWF weapon damage? He got a 2 hand sword and he must run into mobs...he got no dodge or anything else. No stealth...nothing. Why nerf weapon damage? Any reason for it?
< This is the important part, this game needs dungeons like epic dread vault in mod 0, with detailed mechanics that made you think.
This will make my dream come true. But you know what happens if they give us the good ole dungeons back in modul 9 and they are really tough and not only brainless dps with an perm bubble pala? You know what happens if they are tricky and you need brain and movement? Thousands and thousands will be claiming that is too hard and that isnt fun anymore and why must it be so hard if its f2p etc...etc....
I totalt agree to this. But i think we need the permabubble paladin fixed a little, or nothing will ever be hard. I know cryptic was talking about a pally fix in the soonish to come...
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clericalistMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 595Arc User
< This is the important part, this game needs dungeons like epic dread vault in mod 0, with detailed mechanics that made you think.
This will make my dream come true. But you know what happens if they give us the good ole dungeons back in modul 9 and they are really tough and not only brainless dps with an perm bubble pala? You know what happens if they are tricky and you need brain and movement? Thousands and thousands will be claiming that is too hard and that isnt fun anymore and why must it be so hard if its f2p etc...etc....
Its impossible to design a dungeon that is hard if there is a permanent immortality palladin in the party. Its no accident that they design all the new HEs as race against time challenges. Doing the Dread Vault now will be easier than it was before mod 6.
You dont want a fix. You want a nerf. I dont see any agrument for compansating the "fix". You dont want balancing. I dont see any points of you to make a HR better or a TR. Your only claiming that GWF´s make to much dps and need a fix. And we both know what you mean with "fix"....sad but true.
I parts you are right, I do think that a GWF is a bit to strong for the current game, if the game gets more and harder dungeons for example, then the GWF will be more balanced to the game. But on the other hand, i have done eToS with no puppet sw and no destroyer GWFs, and it takes for ever to kill the boss. So I do think that HR, TR and CW need more dps. Especially if the game gets harder dungeons, the 3 other dps classes need a fix. The sw is under current review and i hope it will get sortet out.
But honestly I am not sure i follow your logic, I call for balance in every post, and point out that the other dps classes are behind in dps and so forth. "Compansating the "fix""? What are you talking about? If it is a fix then why would there need to be compensation or are you talking about TRs and HRs getting some kind of refund?
They can, despite what others may say. The issue is that it is NOT a popular class because it's so difficult to get that same damage as a GWF. You really have to know the mechanics and your rotations. GWF is still the best overall, if for no other reason that it's 10 times easier to get X damage output with Y effort as opposed to X output with 2Y effort.
You're abolutely right though that there are very few. Only those who work at it achieve those numbers. The rest spam buttons and don't know what cursing actually does, how it works, and the difference between types.
3.5k HB Temptation -- Dread Legion Xbox GT -- Mr Shabok My Guide
then you take a look to the historical of CORTRILLION
15 posts, just ONE dont cry about gwfs. the others, surprise, surprise, talk about cws. this CW PLAYER create a account to complain ABOUT GWFS MORE THAN SUPPORT YOUR CLASS.
the op, 5 posts, 4 complain about gwfs.
why this thread still here? THIS IS NOT A TROLLING?
First, you angry little man (mental image, I dont know if it is true). You do know I dident start this post right? I have a hard time understanding you, but it looks like your saying, that because i also play a CW (and i do) I can't point out that the GWF is overpowerd in the dps department? So even though it is clear to every one that I am right, you don't agree, not because you can defend your points, but because you can't and it makes you angry?
Second, nice... Really nice, I think my point has been proven beyond a doubt. Or is there a GWF player (i am also one, at that) that can make a good case as to why a GWF should be 300% - 400% (revised it, true it isent always 400% just close to) above the other dps classes when it comes to dps. Without resorting to personal attacks please, they dont make your point, just show your lack of one. And please, no more "But another class was overpowerd a year ago, now it is the GWF's turn to be overpowerd!!". If another class was a year ago, where the GWF is today, and got nerffed, that just proves the point about the GWF is overpowerd. If a class is to strong it gets fixed to be in line with the other classes, they should not take turns being completely out of wack and overpowerd, that is just idiotic. It is a better game for all if all classes are in balance, I hope every one will agree.
"the op, 5 posts, 4 complain about gwfs."
you dont read that or... i will need to explain for a ENGLISH SPEAKER the differents uses of the comma? of course iam angry...
2 -if gwfs receive some nerf because a troll like you, this just prove how blind a dev can be (they just need look your historical... hahha. my good lord, you stay here? really). the rest of your HAMSTER has been answered, troll. go explore your options before to CREATE A ACCOUNT TO ASK FOR NERFS
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Also you can stop insulting peoples intelligence, one does not need an IQ of 180 to understand how the GWF works, its not a great mystery, Cryptic made another mistake. The numbers don't lie, the amount of dps that the GWF does it ridiculous, I have yet to see a single GWF say that those were lies. I say go ahead and post a comment title of "TR/HR overpowered" instead, if you believe in what you wrote there.
But thx for this small correction and sry if i write things not perfect. English isnt my native language but ill try to give my best.
As someone pointed out the number one CW guide is called "Death is the best crowd control" arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/551341/spellstorm-renegade-guide-death-is-the-best-crowd-control
But i could ask you the same sort of question...What will a CW be when everything is immune/nearly immune to crowd control? When everyone in the party are immune to damage and the GWF's kill all target so fast that the CW can't even get to 6 stacks of chill? "I think nobody rly had balls to answer this one question"
Remember that CW, TR, HR and none puppet SW don't join groups to be crowd control, they have only one purpose in a group, that is to be DPS. The same role that the GWF fills, only he dos it 400% better.
Someone was trying to deflect the accusation that a GWF was to much dps when comparing with the other dps classes, by claiming that a DC was to much healing when compared to a dps class (himself on a GWF)... Funny in a pathetic and sad way...
gwf, a primary striker, do more damage than a secundary one in a SMALLER PROPORTION than the secundary striker do to non strikers.
hrs and rogues, even being primary strikers, do LESS DAMAGE than a secundary striker. LESS
THIS ONE is the argument that no single person here really beat
so what is that "gwf do more damage than everyone? "everyone" here is just 2, and that 2 classes are far behind to what should do. "everyone else" DONT MATTER. who matter, rogues and hrs, need stop to be mediocre strikers and poor controllers to be MAIN STRIKERS, SECUNDARY CONTROLLERS.
AND i have balls to answer about cws: I DONT CARE. no one care about defenders be useless in the past. but be defender become a important thing few modules ago and, to that happens, THE GENERAL PATERN OF DAMAGE DONT CHANGE.
I say it again only for you:
Nerf is not the solution! If you really know how a GWF works, you must know that he can only make one thing in pve ( hint: its not CC)! Any compansate if you wanna nerf GWFs in dps? Nop. Not from you. You just wanna nerf this class. Maybe its ok for you, but my opinion? Easy to say nerf a class if you dont know how you will compansate it. Thats why i think you got no clue how a GWF works. A GWF without his selfbuffs makes same dps as a CW/HR/TR. Try it and youll see it. And not every GWF is a beast like Lazalia or our Main GWF. Funny thing is: All really good GWFs dont care who is number 1 in paingiver. They just wanna do T2/edemo smooth and with fun. They dont care about dps at all.
P.S.: Funny ^^. Search in forum about overpowered TRs and you find some nice threads. Ok...for PVP...but you can find them. Thats a good point. I remember when module 6 came and thousands players claiming that all dungoens are to hard and they are impossible to do legit etc...etc...Cryptic listened and made it easy as hell. But not for all...usual players till have problems to make T2 legit.
400%? Gimme a break. Only BIS GWFs maybe. But if you take BIS CWs with Bis TRs and BIS HRs you also dont need no crowd controll in T2. Its not a "GWF thing". Its a game thing.
You seems to forget that CW was already called as the "KING of PVE" more than 3/4 Modules in a row,
CW's Dominated every Party! CW was the main class which players most was looking for.
So basically you already had "Your time",now let other classes enjoy it too.
You have a conclusion of other Classes been necessary or not, just because of Pug runs lol
My guild runs everyday Dungeons there's almost rainbow parties every class, every IL is welcome,
If you don't have a guild "get one, or talk to the leader to make some changes-
This is a Players own Problem not the problem of the class itself! (for the PvE part)
Seriously you should not care about the dmg from other player focus on your own, if want to grow up.
just gonna edit this:
You do know that you just agreed that the GWF is totaly overpowerd and that your argument is that it is your turn to be totaly over powerd and that makes it all fair and balanced, RIGHT?
15 posts, just ONE dont cry about gwfs. the others, surprise, surprise, talk about cws. this CW PLAYER create a account to complain ABOUT GWFS MORE THAN SUPPORT YOUR CLASS.
the op, 5 posts, 4 complain about gwfs.
why this thread still here? THIS IS NOT A TROLLING?
I want a dungeon where you have be really good and not everyone can make it. I need a challenge, not a free gift dungeon.
Nerf Lostmauth set ( Or the GWF weapon damage )
Up ( as it was said 2 mods before ) the SW
Rework the Archery HR path
And the classes will be more balanced in term of damage.
For the OP, just add a longer cooldown to the buble and voila.
Instead of this we gonna have soon a new mount equivalent to a second lostmauth, brace yourselves, because GWF will do even more damage.
This is not the case right now, we arent even close
In the last year and a half we saw nothing just GWFs complaints so after mod5 cheesy intimidation build they bring another cheesy GWF buffs in mod6.
Best weapon dmg, greater buff stack etc.
Now GWFs do 2-2,5 times more dmg in dungeons as other dps classes like HR/TR/CW. On Bis level obviously.
SW can keep up with them in some cases but SW is a very support heavy class(tank+heal) and cannot really operate alone for long. Unsuitable for soloing stuff.
Oh and guess what GWFs are also very good for pvp too recently.
Its very rare to pull that a class is good for pve and pvp as well. Usually just one.
Did the GWFs complains stopped? Cannot be noticed.
They cleverly preemptively demand buffs for instigator knowing when the well deserved destro nerf would finally come they can easily switch to another paragon tree. They are expert in demanding compensations too!
This game needs another easily used melee dps class like Barbarian with short learning curve so these ppl would have a choice and don't have to congregate in one "everthing in one" type of class (dmg, offtank, able take a hit, easy-to-use, good pvper) .
Or we could relive the 3-4GWF/DC parties as for pre-mod4 Gauntgrlym-Dwarf King farm everywhere...
is so obvious... why i need explain that? (rhetorical question,of course)
right now, hrs and trs dont over dps even a secundary striker like a cw, so, why should overdps a gwf? the others DONT MATTER speaking about damage.
Second, nice... Really nice, I think my point has been proven beyond a doubt. Or is there a GWF player (i am also one, at that) that can make a good case as to why a GWF should be 300% - 400% (revised it, true it isent always 400% just close to) above the other dps classes when it comes to dps. Without resorting to personal attacks please, they dont make your point, just show your lack of one. And please, no more "But another class was overpowerd a year ago, now it is the GWF's turn to be overpowerd!!". If another class was a year ago, where the GWF is today, and got nerffed, that just proves the point about the GWF is overpowerd. If a class is to strong it gets fixed to be in line with the other classes, they should not take turns being completely out of wack and overpowerd, that is just idiotic. It is a better game for all if all classes are in balance, I hope every one will agree.
We dont want to be paingivers, we want to fit our roles. A gwf is doing 3x my damage on single target as a tr. thats just wrong
But honestly I am not sure i follow your logic, I call for balance in every post, and point out that the other dps classes are behind in dps and so forth. "Compansating the "fix""? What are you talking about? If it is a fix then why would there need to be compensation or are you talking about TRs and HRs getting some kind of refund?
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My Guide
They can, despite what others may say. The issue is that it is NOT a popular class because it's so difficult to get that same damage as a GWF. You really have to know the mechanics and your rotations. GWF is still the best overall, if for no other reason that it's 10 times easier to get X damage output with Y effort as opposed to X output with 2Y effort.
You're abolutely right though that there are very few. Only those who work at it achieve those numbers. The rest spam buttons and don't know what cursing actually does, how it works, and the difference between types.
Xbox GT -- Mr Shabok
My Guide
you dont read that or... i will need to explain for a ENGLISH SPEAKER the differents uses of the comma? of course iam angry...
2 -if gwfs receive some nerf because a troll like you, this just prove how blind a dev can be (they just need look your historical... hahha. my good lord, you stay here? really). the rest of your HAMSTER has been answered, troll. go explore your options before to CREATE A ACCOUNT TO ASK FOR NERFS