People who settle at around 2.2K iLvl are either playing alts or are not serious enough about PvP. If they are, they push hard even if just to become 2.5K or 2.8K later after that. There are classes I respect regardless of iLvl, one being the SW who still clings to life in the current mode of PVP.
(Edit: information dispute, pending resolution lol)
AntMonster, if I recall correctly, is maybe not playing now but once upon a time had experience of that BiS bracket. Sigh... I'm going to get flamed for saying "BiS" again... but that's just it. Can I just say "top end"? Top end. He was once a top end player maybe. Anyone who was once a top-end player has the proper objectivity to understand and comment on class balance, even though they are marginally behind 3K right now. Like pando, like schietindebux, like I was not too long ago.
I don't know how a once-top-end player would settle to just main a 2.2K toon now, and be here commenting about balance on the forums.
Everybody else is the exception. New players having started not two modules earlier. Players below 2K. Players complacent that their "skills" will carry them when sporting 2.0K flat iLvl gear. How are they different from the PvE players who complain about PvP when they are not wearing tenacity gear? They are unfit. Sorry.
I say that GWF must be balanced at a T.Fey, T.Neg top-end status, coming from the top-down. Just as well as a TR must be balanced from a 4K top-end SE/spam Sabo perma, going top to bottom. I disagree that "we" should balance "my" class according to your impression of a 2K MI/Exe.
Saying that, you and I need to work our stuff out, but this forum is not the place to do it. We may disagree a lot, but I hope you see we advocate for the same things.
- not all good players were "BiS players". Around mod3 time, a CW player who dont remember his charname were killing top and BiS players with his CW wearing rank 5 enchantments.
Back then we didn't have this big of a gear gap. We were all just finishing Dread Ring and Sharandar, and I was running with the most unconvenional build, a reflect TR based on Icewind gear and Fey Thistle, I barely had enough rank 8s, and was holding my own toe to toe with a GWF with max legendary and rank 10s. We saw players like Keltzor, never been one of the BiS but skilled way beyond me or anyone I know personally.
You are referring to what was probably the golden age-- erm.. modules 3 and earlier --of PvP. That's a bullet to the moon from where we stand now. This brings us back to my opening comment, there is such huge gear gap today, it's sacrilege.
2 - AntMonster, if I recall correctly, is maybe not playing now but once upon a time had experience of that BiS bracket. Sigh... I'm going to get flamed for saying "BiS" again... but that's just it. Can I just say "top end"? Top end. He was once a top end player I believe. Anyone who was once a top-end player has the proper objectivity to understand and comment on class balance, even though they are marginally behind 3K right now. Like pando, like schietindebux, like I was not too long ago.
I don't know how a once-top-end player would settle to just main a 2.2K toon now, and be here commenting about balance on the forums.
Hm - I'm curious now. How did that AntMonster guy achieved to become "Top End Player"? I don't understand. He never accepted any scheduled premade. He never played a 1vs1 against other well known GFs.
I don't get it? How did he earn that title? Because he made some Gauntlegrym videos? Because he wrote some stuff on the forums? Because he killed you? Because he always did these stupid "---" infront of his messages in PMvsPM (why was he even in that channel?) - Or do you rank people when they become "Top End Player" and when they don't?
Maybe I'm just too dumb for this forum. I don't get it.
Edit: Changed wrong quoted person. /Edit
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Example n°2: Ant-Monster ~But i faced him 1v1 and BiS GFs 1v1 and he was 100x more skilled at keeping his guard with specific movements, where BiS GFs were pretty "regular" and i could get behind them. With Ant, i couldn't. Won't explain in detail what he was doing ~~
Ask @pando83, he referenced him first. I have a broad spectrum of "top end" and more to the point, I am only looking at this from the gear angle. If you say he's bad and he says he's not, well... I don't want to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, I'm already dealing with players like clonky, while trying (and seemingly failing miserably) not to sound like an elitist. I would just prefer to keep my comments private on who I thought were actually elites. I only even post to see that my class isn't nerfed beyond what's fair, just because a lot of 2.2K iLvl players said so.
I think that half the people posting about who they think is the best simply want to tongue punch the other's HAMSTER box.
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Hey guys, starting to get a lot of complaints about this thread. Talk about the class, talking about the mechanics. But if this devolves further into personal shouting matches, we'll have to lock the thread down.
Just like any good PvP fight, you have to know when you've made your point and move on. Don't stick around to just unnecessarily antagonize people.
What i wanted to say was "AntMonster was a BiS player too, not a top player". ^^U
Oh, nevermind me then. / Edit
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Anyhow - you also said that he was a top gf player (and you stated that you make a differenct between "top player" and "bis player"):
Don't get me wrong - I don't want to point anyone out (Hah... that Anti-Zebular filter, dayum I'm smart) - I'm just wondering what he did that makes you say he was a top gf player (sorry if that sentence is a bit fkd up but I bet you get the point). And no you don't have to answer me at all. I'm just curious.
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My question was: What did he do that you believe he was a "top end player"?
@nuudlz I'm sorry to imply that this person was one of the greats. That's not what I mean. In the last page, I was misunderstood for using the term "BiS". That's the only angle in my recent posts, the top brass BiS bracket including players marginally less geared but holds their own in this bracket. I can't, however, vouch for players I haven't personally been acquainted with.
Anyways I have already made myself clear. Balancing must go from top to bottom. As nerfs become necessary, I'm sure it's to the benefit of everyone if the PoV of those players giving suggestions are accurate and non-biased.
He was not BiS going by gear. He was among the best in my opinion, going by skill. I could get behind the guard of 99% of the BiS PvP GFs. Getting behind the guard of Ant was much, much harder and the reason was not hardtargetlock or something else, but a set of patterns he studied and practiced to create a very strong defense in a 1v1 scenario.
I call that skill.
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Due to the constant bickering and flaming about this, this thread is now closed.
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(Edit: information dispute, pending resolution lol)
AntMonster, if I recall correctly, is maybe not playing now but once upon a time had experience of that BiS bracket.Sigh... I'm going to get flamed for saying "BiS" again... but that's just it. Can I just say "top end"? Top end. He was once a top end player maybe. Anyone who was once a top-end player has the proper objectivity to understand and comment on class balance, even though they are marginally behind 3K right now. Like pando, like schietindebux, like I was not too long ago.I don't know how a once-top-end player would settle to just main a 2.2K toon now, and be here commenting about balance on the forums.
Everybody else is the exception. New players having started not two modules earlier. Players below 2K. Players complacent that their "skills" will carry them when sporting 2.0K flat iLvl gear. How are they different from the PvE players who complain about PvP when they are not wearing tenacity gear? They are unfit. Sorry.
I say that GWF must be balanced at a T.Fey, T.Neg top-end status, coming from the top-down. Just as well as a TR must be balanced from a 4K top-end SE/spam Sabo perma, going top to bottom. I disagree that "we" should balance "my" class according to your impression of a 2K MI/Exe.
Saying that, you and I need to work our stuff out, but this forum is not the place to do it. We may disagree a lot, but I hope you see we advocate for the same things.
You are referring to what was probably the golden age-- erm.. modules 3 and earlier --of PvP. That's a bullet to the moon from where we stand now. This brings us back to my opening comment, there is such huge gear gap today, it's sacrilege.
I don't get it? How did he earn that title? Because he made some Gauntlegrym videos? Because he wrote some stuff on the forums? Because he killed you? Because he always did these stupid "---" infront of his messages in PMvsPM (why was he even in that channel?) - Or do you rank people when they become "Top End Player" and when they don't?
Maybe I'm just too dumb for this forum. I don't get it.
Edit: Changed wrong quoted person. /Edit
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Just like any good PvP fight, you have to know when you've made your point and move on. Don't stick around to just unnecessarily antagonize people.
Thanks.
Edit: Changed wrong quoted person. /Edit
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Yes, you are correct.
Seems like I'm getting messed up with all the quotes. I'll correct my post.
Anyhow - you also said that he was a top gf player (and you stated that you make a differenct between "top player" and "bis player"):
Don't get me wrong - I don't want to point anyone out (Hah... that Anti-Zebular filter, dayum I'm smart) - I'm just wondering what he did that makes you say he was a top gf player (sorry if that sentence is a bit fkd up but I bet you get the point). And no you don't have to answer me at all. I'm just curious.
We are always looking for new models --- Borderline Fashiondolls ---
Anyways I have already made myself clear. Balancing must go from top to bottom. As nerfs become necessary, I'm sure it's to the benefit of everyone if the PoV of those players giving suggestions are accurate and non-biased.
He was among the best in my opinion, going by skill.
I could get behind the guard of 99% of the BiS PvP GFs.
Getting behind the guard of Ant was much, much harder and the reason was not hardtargetlock or something else, but a set of patterns he studied and practiced to create a very strong defense in a 1v1 scenario.
I call that skill.
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