TR still broken!!

bronto111

So TR were broken before strongholds and the new pvp lionsmane gear,nothing has changed.
My GWF with full R11 and maxed level lionsmane (+ infused) pvp gear and max level artrifacts and max level arti gear (iL 3992).
126k HP and 51% defence(75% tenacity) etc and still get one shot by a TR while riding my mount in GG pvp.
QUYEN-VN deals 135k damage with Shocking Execution !!!! I died from Full 126k HP from that one shot and was riding my mount at full speed at the time!(110% speed white tiger)
When are you going to fix this HAMSTER,its completely unacceptable that ONE class should have damage that ignores EVERYTHING including tenacity!!

icyphish

Unfortunately the only way to survive this is if you are BiS (or close) with a decent amount of HP boost, but even then it still puts you in a very disadvantaged position... cus really, how good is 5~10k HP left fighting with a invisible TR that hits you with every hit...

On a side note... BiS GWF with companions can usually beat TRs.... :x

kweassa

IIRC, SH allows pet/companion bonuses.

Here's a tip: just give up on 'balance' in regards to SH. No information coming out from that game type can be trusted at face value since outside factors/variables are involved.

To me, already, I'm just considering SH as nothing but a mandatory farming chore to get items.

schietindebux

I know that guy he has this oneshot build, if you catch him he is toast very fast on the other side.... Risky but cheap

lemonchill

choose the right companions thats all i have to say

schietindebux

Wich one would you recommand?

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dll32exe

Nah its unplayable now, tr's abuse with perma stealth, and my Gf 130k hp got 1 shot with SE. All say l2p, l2p what? .. against TR's, enemy wich u cant even hit? Thats a lot of fun...

goldmoon

GF got 1 shotted?

dll32exe

goldmoon#5670 said:

GF got 1 shotted?

Yes 1 shotted, SE did 135k dmg, my 50% damage resis useless for SE. Shield wasnt up. Have full tenacy set.

lupisu

It always amazes me how much trouble people seem to have with reading comprehension here

kweassa said:

IIRC, SH allows pet/companion bonuses.

Here's a tip: just give up on 'balance' in regards to SH. No information coming out from that game type can be trusted at face value since outside factors/variables are involved.

To me, already, I'm just considering SH as nothing but a mandatory farming chore to get items.

It always amazes me how much trouble people seem to have with reading comprehension here. The OP clearly indicared he was talking about Gauntlgrym pvp, tho pets are active there too as of now.

Also if helpful pet suggestions to the problem would be welcome. The only one yet mentioned, pig, does nothing against spike damage. HP bonuses help, but not enough in most cases.

schietindebux

Thats my question ...wich compagnions protects you against 130k unmitigatable damage?

foxxy

he killed u with a... wrong interaction, bug, exploit.. whatever u wanna call it. i know the guy and he abuses it.

xgrandz02

what do u mean with "still? it was always broken lol

The Problem is Piercing damage does not Only ignore All DR, it Ignore also All Tenacity!
With a high "Crit" it can Ignore basically any kind of defence you use.

this is an stupidity FREE Advantage for TRs,
I mentioned thousand time but devs don't care...


Here's all, i dont have anymore the patience for:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1190881/please-remove-piercing-damage-from-shocking-execution-or/p18



wish you luck trying you make the devs listened you, but will probably never happen.

lemonchill

so everything is fine and dandy now at pvp? that where are back trash talking about trs super human abilities?

no talk about companion bonuses?
no talk about perma stun hrs?
no talk about gfs that kill you in less then 1 rotation?
no talk about tanky cws that do 75-100k dmg?
no talk about always daily up pally?
no talk about i can ultra heal myself - i cant die clerics?
no talk about new breed of "titan" like gwf?

face the facts pvp is unbalanced and broken then ever b4, and its not gonna get better anytime soon. wanna go pvp go but know the risks.
sometimes i have fun there. sometimes i get rekt by bis players or just bug exploiters that feel really good using it cause they have no skill and must use exploit to be able to win pvp match.

dll32exe

lemonchill said:

so everything is fine and dandy now at pvp? that where are back trash talking about trs super human abilities?

Ofc few classes have own bugs. But we speak now about tr's and his broken SE and perma stealth wich make pvp more unbalanced than any other class. There wasnt any balance for TR class since mod5. What changed? Nothing.

lemonchill

dll32exe said:

lemonchill said:

so everything is fine and dandy now at pvp? that where are back trash talking about trs super human abilities?

Ofc few classes have own bugs. But we speak now about tr's and his broken SE and perma stealth wich make pvp more unbalanced than any other class. There wasnt any balance for TR class since mod5. What changed? Nothing.

lol dude. the only good thing that came out of m6 was the fact that trs are not gods of pvp anymore....

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rayrdan

A gf can still 1 shot people with. Bull charge but it s ok. Lets remember that a tr encounter hits for 1/3 of every other class with the higher cooldowns on said nukes. The crit chance in stealth is a nerf to damage with current tenacity levels. I would pay to not crit. We are the only class with depletion on its tab, why this applies to melee at wills too its beyond comprehension. So yes SE its BS still damage needs to be buffed hard somewhere

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rayrdan

clonkyo1 said:

rayrdan said:

A gf can still 1 shot people with. Bull charge but it s ok. Lets remember that a tr encounter hits for 1/3 of every other class with the higher cooldowns on said nukes. The crit chance in stealth is a nerf to damage with current tenacity levels. I would pay to not crit. We are the only class with depletion on its tab, why this applies to melee at wills too its beyond comprehension. So yes SE its BS still damage needs to be buffed hard somewhere

Well, Nox, If you can't comprehend "Perma Stealth and Perma CoS spam" as happened back on mod 4 but far better than is right now because back then, no lostmauth set or Piercing Damage from Shadowy Opportunity, then, you have a serious problem.

did you miss "melee" ... dont skip words when reading..most are important

@xsayajinx1 yes stealth depletion on melee at wills is bad, im already in range hence im visible. i would rather see a cooldown on shadowy opportunity or no cooldown/higher base damage but not piercing

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rustlord

What do you picture an ideal fight against a TR to be like? Let's say no dailies. We have strong dailies but not much else in the way of anything else, definitely open to argument, but let's not. Let's leave it at that.

I took a stand to not using the FotM before, I made great friends with possibly the only two other TR who knew WK at all, but playing differently sure didn't help to stay competitive. It just felt like I had a really strong right arm which I refuse to use, so I was fighting handicapped. I had a choice to stay less competitive or go back to the TR build everybody complains about. I chose to play content other than PvP.

Back to my question then, can you give me something, anything, a build idea, that isn't overpowered but stands a fair chance against yourself? Because if you ask me, the only thing they are doing wrong is using their characters to its max potential in PvP because our class is simple either too strong with it and too gimped without.

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morenthar said:

icyphish said:

Unfortunately the only way to survive this is if you are BiS (or close) with a decent amount of HP boost, but even then it still puts you in a very disadvantaged position... cus really, how good is 5~10k HP left fighting with a invisible TR that hits you with every hit...

On a side note... BiS GWF with companions can usually beat TRs.... :x

There you have it from, in my opinion, the best GWF in the game. Also the most honest.

What the rest of you asshats can't understand is that there is broken HAMSTER throughout the game.

ItC and SE have to be changed. On top of that, the MI Saboteur allows for spamming from stealth.

Here's MI Sab full PvP:

1. High Power
2. High Recovery at the expense of Armor Penetration.
3. Lifesteal in defensive slots. At rank 12 you will heal a HAMSTER-ton.
4. ItC / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Strike --- SE/BB (Courage Breaker is optional, but for this build, not optimal.)
5. Flail Snail optimal Axe Beak won't hurt. There are other ways to get AP gain besides having a Snail
6. Sigil of The Devoted (DUH)
7. Lostmauth Set (DUH)
8. Transcendent Vorpal (Other TR builds have wiggle-room here, not the MI Sab, vorpal all the way.
9. TEB or Trans Negation (Not as good as it once was, but still damn good) You can slum it with Barkshield or Soulforged. Watch out for Soulforged potentially going back to BiS as the game evolves further.ex: SH Lifesteal Boon

I might be missing something. Feel free to add it in.

There ya go.

It's not the only overpowered build in the game. Every class has aspects of it that are OP, even the SW.

People cry at every opportunity. Last night in Dom a notorious BiS GWF said he couldn't fight me, because I spam Courage Breaker.....

....of course, there was no way I could kill him in a 1 vs 1. (No SE for WKs) Not only that, he'd kill me eventually.

It's that kind of attitude that runs rampant through PvP players. That particular GWF, like most of them, complains about the above build all of the time. I come at him with a different build and what does he do?

COMPLAIN. It's one giant HAMSTER-fest.

morenthar said:

icyphish said:

Unfortunately the only way to survive this is if you are BiS (or close) with a decent amount of HP boost, but even then it still puts you in a very disadvantaged position... cus really, how good is 5~10k HP left fighting with a invisible TR that hits you with every hit...

On a side note... BiS GWF with companions can usually beat TRs.... :x

There you have it from, in my opinion, the best GWF in the game. Also the most honest.

What the rest of you asshats can't understand is that there is broken HAMSTER throughout the game.

ItC and SE have to be changed. On top of that, the MI Saboteur allows for spamming from stealth.

Here's MI Sab full PvP:

1. High Power
2. High Recovery at the expense of Armor Penetration.
3. Lifesteal in defensive slots. At rank 12 you will heal a HAMSTER-ton.
4. ItC / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Strike --- SE/BB (Courage Breaker is optional, but for this build, not optimal.)
5. Flail Snail optimal Axe Beak won't hurt. There are other ways to get AP gain besides having a Snail
6. Sigil of The Devoted (DUH)
7. Lostmauth Set (DUH)
8. Transcendent Vorpal (Other TR builds have wiggle-room here, not the MI Sab, vorpal all the way.
9. TEB or Trans Negation (Not as good as it once was, but still damn good) You can slum it with Barkshield or Soulforged. Watch out for Soulforged potentially going back to BiS as the game evolves further.ex: SH Lifesteal Boon

I might be missing something. Feel free to add it in.

There ya go.

It's not the only overpowered build in the game. Every class has aspects of it that are OP, even the SW.

People cry at every opportunity. Last night in Dom a notorious BiS GWF said he couldn't fight me, because I spam Courage Breaker.....

....of course, there was no way I could kill him in a 1 vs 1. (No SE for WKs) Not only that, he'd kill me eventually.

It's that kind of attitude that runs rampant through PvP players. That particular GWF, like most of them, complains about the above build all of the time. I come at him with a different build and what does he do?

COMPLAIN. It's one giant HAMSTER-fest.

Yep. It was me i guess. So every 30 sec from your courage braker is ok? Wile GWF open to your attacks 100% of the time and courage braker doesn't alowed to build frickin stasks so no serious damage from us in that kind of fight you still hiding in stelth and spam at-wills. Also you have 100% chance to land your attacks in that kind scenario wile GWF chances are minimazed. I would love to see every daily 2-4 min CD. Then we play vs Trs, OPs, DCs etc.

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kweassa

romanporter said:

buff some encounters so potatoes will learn how to play not rely on skilless HAMSTER. Fix ITC/SE/CB

Agree to the massive damage nerfs to the current damage-buffing system of the GWF, with a significant redesign of GWF combat efficiency as compensation, and you're on.

Otherwise, I'd support the fix to ITC and SE, but not CB. I'd rather see a general nerf to AP gaining rates for ALL classes.

pando83

kweassa said:

romanporter said:

buff some encounters so potatoes will learn how to play not rely on skilless HAMSTER. Fix ITC/SE/CB

Agree to the massive damage nerfs to the current damage-buffing system of the GWF, with a significant redesign of GWF combat efficiency as compensation, and you're on.

Otherwise, I'd support the fix to ITC and SE, but not CB. I'd rather see a general nerf to AP gaining rates for ALL classes.

I think CB should be subject to CC immunity. It's "piercing CC". Which again, is a skill-less mechanic that allows the user to avoid the need to time his attacks. It's simply nonsense to give to whatever class the ability to land an attack/ power no matter what. Takes away skill, fun and balance all together. CB should work like any other power: you time right, you hit full force and i'm HAMSTER. You use it when i'm dodging or in unstoppable/ sprinting, you fail. You remember when GWF roar pierced cc immunity dodge from TRs? The amount of "wtf it pierces cc immunity, ultra-unbalanced and skill-less!!!". Why is CB any different? If spammed with current AP gain, it is indeed unbalanced. You can buff the debuff effect of it, but it should be dodgeable, period.

About GWF damage: a full stacked GWF is on top with damage, but we already explained how most of PvP power of GWF comes from better interaction with the "broken triplet" T.Fey+T.Neg+eLoL set:

- T.Fey good for most, but more for GWF cause it's weak in the beginning, and needs time to grow monster, where CW, GF, HR, all start very powerful. GWF is like soulbinder SW as a base.

- T.Neg good for most, but expecially for a fighter with high DR from gear and the temp HP unstoppable mechanic which makes it tankier with time. GWF unstoppable is similar to SB SW sparks+borrowed time, in a way.
So basically: other classes are "max power" from the start, and have weaknesses. GWF weakness is supposed to be the "unbuffed" situation before going unstoppable, when you can burst him. T.Fey+T.Neg basically erases that weakness.

- eLoL set scales with weapon damage and crit chance. GWF has highest weapon damage and top crit chance, so it's clear how broken eLoL set is even more powerful on GWF.

Fix the triad then we rebalance the self-buffs and the rest. GWF base damage and survivability are poor. And if you "massively" nerf the class based on its performances with the broken triplet, when the items eventually get fixed you end up with an overnerfed class, much like to start of module 4, when all the uninformed complaints resulted in the class becoming the weakest.

Now, GWF is not even the top dog, most experienced PvPers do not consider it broken, so be careful with the nerf requests.
Damage must be stil high on a DPS class, so if you "massively nerf" the self-buffs, you do not only make the class more efficient with easier-to-land powers, you also buff base damage to make it high enough to fit the class where it belongs (top DPS).

matthew2012x

play a tr?

and if you do you will find it not that easy. everyone targets you first and also if you do manage to sneak up to someone and stab them, they hack dodge (at least i think its a hack, they dodge stabs without even seeing you)

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pando83 said:

I think CB should be subject to CC immunity. It's "piercing CC". Which again, is a skill-less mechanic that allows the user to avoid the need to time his attacks. It's simply nonsense to give to whatever class the ability to land an attack/ power no matter what. Takes away skill, fun and balance all together. CB should work like any other power: you time right, you hit full force and i'm HAMSTER. You use it when i'm dodging or in unstoppable/ sprinting, you fail. You remember when GWF roar pierced cc immunity dodge from TRs? The amount of "wtf it pierces cc immunity, ultra-unbalanced and skill-less!!!". Why is CB any different? If spammed with current AP gain, it is indeed unbalanced. You can buff the debuff effect of it, but it should be dodgeable, period.

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The amount of missinformation you spread at times is baffling to me. Considering you are a GWF player that claims to know how the class works i suggest you stop making ridiculous factually wrong statements about entire builds or skills just because you dislike them for whatever reason.

Roar has never in any point in the games history pierced any form of CC immunity and ESPECIALLY not dodges.Severe differences in latency in a game with an already unstable server structure were and still are the only cause of fast-fire cc skills seeming to bypass cc immunity(Icy Rays being the only exception when it comes to piercing dodges although technically it could be avoided as well).The only thing you could *pierce* with Roar and unreliably since it required specific timing during enemy encounter/at-will useage was GWF Unstoppable with only the silence portion of the skill and not the actual root or pushback and that took me weeks and hundreds of matches of testing to be able to do it with consistency.

Comparing Roar with Courage Breaker while providing such offensively inaccurate information is inviting the genious dev team to nerf it into the ground the same way they did with Roar(and you know they will).That along with the inevitable soon to come destruction of SE will again most probably leave the TR class in a sad state especially with the introduction of items that will directly impact the usefulness of Stealth if not outright remove it as a defensive mechanic.Cryptic never compensates for the massive build/class breaking nerfs they do to classes and since you are a GWF that has experienced it and considering that GWF is always number 2 on the chopping block after TR i suggest you stop rocking your own god damn boat. Propose actual balance changes that are admitedly needed instead of simply using your own distorted view of what was and is to justify what you personally WANT to happen. Whether it be based on your obvious hatred for the TR class or the *full denial mode* of GWF viability you seem to always resort to it's wrong and won't lead to anything positive for you or the people beating you.