Going to give this a shot on my crit based HR. Debating on whether to get a purple fire archon from bars, or wait and see if the upgrade costs go down....
You misunderstood things Most compagnions needs few seconds to stack 3buffs from bonding runestone starting the fight About 3-5 seconds, got it? By that time most trash is already dead esp. being a BIS GWF
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beatannierMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 692Arc User
I see Lia's test results show that active companion is a (potential) better choice with perfect bonding. However, you need to have a more flexible stats. If she has 100% crit with argument, some stat just lost when active one get 3 stacks of buff. Keep in mind that argument take one active companion slot, if you use active one, you can replace argument with another companion gives you 4 to 5 percent dps.
If we're talking about the Fire Archon (which I already slot usually), the Ioun would make place for a Dancing Blade for example, so 5% more crit severity. Of course I took that into account while testing.
However, The Zhen Warlock seems to be on par with the Ioun so far, I'm gonna throw further testing and see if it's capable of providing more DPS overall due to fast casting (faster than the Fire Archon anyways) and will report back with logs.
i don't believe we have the zen warlock on Xbox. Anything comparable?
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beatannierMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 692Arc User
Fun fact: Warlock went 5 TIMES more expensive in just 24h after Laz' vid. From 800k AD to over 4m AD. It is even higher prize jump than in case of Pig after official CM (Andy's) PvP companion post.
But what's sad? Sad is that people denies our arguments. But when only they see some BiS in action, they changes their mind. Even spending 4m to get their warlock. it is really sad. But after all, I believe that there are still smart players who doens't follows the majority, but thinks themsevles. And it is our job to lead them to the right side.
We're the "testers". We do not mainstream, we do not maintain. Follow us!
PS Just wanted to say thanks for all the testers. We make a great job and charismatic BiS like Laz can show majority result of our job. It's cool! Thanks Laz and thanks all the others. You rock!
Fun fact: Warlock went 5 TIMES more expensive in just 24h after Laz' vid. From 800k AD to over 4m AD. It is even higher prize jump than in case of Pig after official CM (Andy's) PvP companion post.
But what's sad? Sad is that people denies our arguments. But when only they see some BiS in action, they changes their mind. Even spending 4m to get their warlock. it is really sad. But after all, I believe that there are still smart players who doens't follows the majority, but thinks themsevles. And it is our job to lead them to the right side.
We're the "testers". We do not mainstream, we do not maintain. Follow us!
PS Just wanted to say thanks for all the testers. We make a great job and charismatic BiS like Laz can show majority result of our job. It's cool! Thanks Laz and thanks all the others. You rock!
... that can be a interesting combined investiment for a guild.
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zekethesinnerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 805Arc User
Well, u cant say archon is 100% effective since his fastes atk happens evry 2s, and he needs to get close to the target (so he may die quite offten) Companion like zen warlock has no CD on her fastes atk and always stays at range.
Legendary yeti also has no CD on his fastes atk (well any quality of yeti) and as epic+ defender is immune to all kind of aoe. If u need to upgrade any companion from green to purple/orange yeti will be always the best option. But from the other hand his tankiness may mess party on bosses (from the other hand take into account, that all dragons -our main enemy in this game- atks r aoe, even they claws and bites.)
We have also renegade evokers, illusionist, and a storm rider, they atk speed is around 1.5-2s, its compared to fire archon, worse than yeti, but at least they keep they asses away from big enemies (sort of).
Zen warlock will always win, no CD, range, and kinda smart AI. Ofc it still will take like 2-3s after getting into combat to get 2+ stacks but on big shots like bosses or big pulls, that problem becomes marginal.
And ofc that damn slaad, never had chance to use/test it, so cant say a word, but i heard its overkill
Aight, promised I'd come back with logs. The Zhen Warlock out performs my Ioun by up to 15%. It's very situational and needs adjusting, different playstyle (aka if I'm used to running ahead I can't do that much anymore) and equips of course. I did 16 dungeons overall, 8 with the Ioun, 8 with the warlock, same party composition and no external buffs.
Logs from the last eGWD run (keep in mind the number of swings + not including the companion damage which was 3m more) - Ioun: i.imgur.com/N9MlSZF.png
Yes I have information I would like to share about the Bonding runestones versus a Ioun stone, I have come to relize that ioun stones are a thing of the past for me and I get much more DPS from having 3 perfect or 3 greater bonding runestones on a fire archon then I would with a stone, the reason this is a ioun stone of allure = 100% of the companions stats, 100% that's it lol, well 3 greater bonding or 3 perfects = 150% to 195% of companions stats add that in with avenger gear for your companion and it makes it way better then the ioun stone, sure ioun stones are nice but only 1 stone is wroth having which is black dragon ioun stone and the reason for that is just the active bonus. [...]
Hi all,
You think there is no more benefit above perfect level? Do you believe what Cryptic tooltips are showing? Cmon... I equipped my yeti with 4056 crit and I got 3853 per stack. Bonding Runestone, rank 12 gives 95% per stack. So with 1 stack you are at augment companion level. If your pet is legendary you can add another 15%.
Ressurection resets the cooldowns of the Bonding Runestones. I never expected the Liira´s Bell will do a good job one day^^ Works fine. Sometimes I have 5 stacks :-)
Thats what i experienced, dead compagnions, resurrection, 5 stacks, thats why i wrote that i do not know if its a benefit to have a companion that never dies
Aight, promised I'd come back with logs. The Zhen Warlock out performs my Ioun by up to 15%. It's very situational and needs adjusting, different playstyle (aka if I'm used to running ahead I can't do that much anymore) and equips of course. I did 16 dungeons overall, 8 with the Ioun, 8 with the warlock, same party composition and no external buffs.
Logs from the last eGWD run (keep in mind the number of swings + not including the companion damage which was 3m more) - Ioun: i.imgur.com/N9MlSZF.png
I'm on a hunt to find other 'no CD' companions, will try the slaad this weekend, might be good due to poison dots.
something I noticed on those logs but it looks like according to the pie chart below on the zen warlock it made IBS 100% not sure what that meens in ACT style but im sure that's very good
It means IBS was absolute and did the most damage, I sorted both logs differently, one is by the ability that did the most damage and one by the max hit. IBS 100% was by max hit.
surely young yeti is better? since it is immune to reds. If you look at that video that pet was dying alot. Also, that active bonus is far better than what the warlock gives for a gwf.
One thing i'd like to point out, Lazalia's use of the SW pet to solo eToS was benefit to them for 2 reasons, 1) a little bit of a distraction to take some damage right at the outset, and 2) the adds did not die nearly as fast while Lazalia solo'ed eToS as they would have if they were in a full group and so the bonding procs became much more reliable and the instant burst provided by a Ioun Stone didn't matter as much.
Rinat's tests show ~15% improvement over a ioun stone while using a SW pet at BIS. Some of this is due to build and class mechanics and so other classes or builds/ilv will show other improvements.
Overall, a bonding proc pet (and it will depend on which pet) is probably better if you can gear it with appropriate gear, but i think the ioun stone is by far a more efficient way to get stats for the average player who is on a budget. AKA, it costs 3 million for the perfect runestones to make this work, and the pets needed to be legendary. if you use green pets and lower gear it won't work nearly so well. but a Ioun Stone of allure costs you under 500k and you get 100% performance right away from whatever you put into it.
So if you are on a budget, a Ioun stone is still better IMO
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Rinat's tests show ~15% improvement over a ioun stone while using a SW pet at BIS. Some of this is due to build and class mechanics and so other classes or builds/ilv will show other improvements.
Overall, a bonding proc pet (and it will depend on which pet) is probably better if you can gear it with appropriate gear, but i think the ioun stone is by far a more efficient way to get stats for the average player who is on a budget. AKA, it costs 3 million for the perfect runestones to make this work, and the pets needed to be legendary. if you use green pets and lower gear it won't work nearly so well. but a Ioun Stone of allure costs you under 500k and you get 100% performance right away from whatever you put into it.
So if you are on a budget, a Ioun stone is still better IMO
I fully support this, as I previously stated it takes a little much to afford that kind of luxury, thus a Ioun is more reliable for the long run. If a player wants to min/max and can afford a Zhen Warlock or any other companion then it's recommended, but not a must due to high costs. Anything under Perfect Bondings on a legendary companion is just not as effective and will result in a loss of DPS. I'd put a side note about it in my guide when I find the right companion for me as a recommendation, but it's not much of an option for lower geared people without the funds.
Also, during my testing runs, I had a TR guildie test a warlock as well, his improvement was more noticable than mine, might be worth trying.
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Most compagnions needs few seconds to stack 3buffs from bonding runestone starting the fight
About 3-5 seconds, got it?
By that time most trash is already dead esp. being a BIS GWF
However, The Zhen Warlock seems to be on par with the Ioun so far, I'm gonna throw further testing and see if it's capable of providing more DPS overall due to fast casting (faster than the Fire Archon anyways) and will report back with logs.
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It is even higher prize jump than in case of Pig after official CM (Andy's) PvP companion post.
But what's sad? Sad is that people denies our arguments. But when only they see some BiS in action, they changes their mind. Even spending 4m to get their warlock. it is really sad. But after all, I believe that there are still smart players who doens't follows the majority, but thinks themsevles. And it is our job to lead them to the right side.
We're the "testers". We do not mainstream, we do not maintain. Follow us!
PS Just wanted to say thanks for all the testers. We make a great job and charismatic BiS like Laz can show majority result of our job. It's cool! Thanks Laz and thanks all the others. You rock!
Legendary yeti also has no CD on his fastes atk (well any quality of yeti) and as epic+ defender is immune to all kind of aoe. If u need to upgrade any companion from green to purple/orange yeti will be always the best option. But from the other hand his tankiness may mess party on bosses (from the other hand take into account, that all dragons -our main enemy in this game- atks r aoe, even they claws and bites.)
We have also renegade evokers, illusionist, and a storm rider, they atk speed is around 1.5-2s, its compared to fire archon, worse than yeti, but at least they keep they asses away from big enemies (sort of).
Zen warlock will always win, no CD, range, and kinda smart AI. Ofc it still will take like 2-3s after getting into combat to get 2+ stacks but on big shots like bosses or big pulls, that problem becomes marginal.
And ofc that damn slaad, never had chance to use/test it, so cant say a word, but i heard its overkill
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Logs from the last eGWD run (keep in mind the number of swings + not including the companion damage which was 3m more) -
Ioun:
i.imgur.com/N9MlSZF.png
Warlock:
http://i.imgur.com/YRlXB0r.jpg
I'm on a hunt to find other 'no CD' companions, will try the slaad this weekend, might be good due to poison dots.
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You think there is no more benefit above perfect level?
Do you believe what Cryptic tooltips are showing?
Cmon...
I equipped my yeti with 4056 crit and I got 3853 per stack.
Bonding Runestone, rank 12 gives 95% per stack.
So with 1 stack you are at augment companion level.
If your pet is legendary you can add another 15%.
Ressurection resets the cooldowns of the Bonding Runestones.
I never expected the Liira´s Bell will do a good job one day^^
Works fine. Sometimes I have 5 stacks :-)
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Rinat's tests show ~15% improvement over a ioun stone while using a SW pet at BIS. Some of this is due to build and class mechanics and so other classes or builds/ilv will show other improvements.
Overall, a bonding proc pet (and it will depend on which pet) is probably better if you can gear it with appropriate gear, but i think the ioun stone is by far a more efficient way to get stats for the average player who is on a budget. AKA, it costs 3 million for the perfect runestones to make this work, and the pets needed to be legendary. if you use green pets and lower gear it won't work nearly so well. but a Ioun Stone of allure costs you under 500k and you get 100% performance right away from whatever you put into it.
So if you are on a budget, a Ioun stone is still better IMO
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Also, during my testing runs, I had a TR guildie test a warlock as well, his improvement was more noticable than mine, might be worth trying.
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