silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Question..
IS the stones over-performing stated stats? IS this a bug ?
It stats 65% per.. but it appears to be giving closer to 95% per? This doesn't seem correct. Is this the reason you are seeing such a total difference between the two?
Fun fact: Warlock went 5 TIMES more expensive in just 24h after Laz' vid. From 800k AD to over 4m AD. It is even higher prize jump than in case of Pig after official CM (Andy's) PvP companion post.
But what's sad? Sad is that people denies our arguments. But when only they see some BiS in action, they changes their mind. Even spending 4m to get their warlock. it is really sad. But after all, I believe that there are still smart players who doens't follows the majority, but thinks themsevles. And it is our job to lead them to the right side.
We're the "testers". We do not mainstream, we do not maintain. Follow us!
PS Just wanted to say thanks for all the testers. We make a great job and charismatic BiS like Laz can show majority result of our job. It's cool! Thanks Laz and thanks all the others. You rock!
This is just people with rank 12 VIP trying to rip people off. Anything over 800k will sit on the AH for 5 days until the price settles again. Then when a spend reward/the winter event hits it'll drop even further. Anyone buying it now is just getting ripped off.
1) having lliras bell on your belt pretty much solves the pet dying problem. Or the eye of lathander at a push.
2) being able to use a fire archon etc. as a psuedo augument pet effectively frees up an active companion slot, giving you additional boosts. For example I use a blue ioun stone, and apart from the stats, its active, a slow, is rubbish. I'd much rather slot something else in its place. So, even though the dps output maybe a few percent lower, perhaps the extra active buff could more than make up for it.
1) having lliras bell on your belt pretty much solves the pet dying problem. Or the eye of lathander at a push.
2) being able to use a fire archon etc. as a psuedo augument pet effectively frees up an active companion slot, giving you additional boosts. For example I use a blue ioun stone, and apart from the stats, its active, a slow, is rubbish. I'd much rather slot something else in its place. So, even though the dps output maybe a few percent lower, perhaps the extra active buff could more than make up for it.
Good point. I may remove my Ioun stone and put in another archon or maybe Cantankerous mage.
2) being able to use a fire archon etc. as a psuedo augument pet effectively frees up an active companion slot, giving you additional boosts. For example I use a blue ioun stone, and apart from the stats, its active, a slow, is rubbish. I'd much rather slot something else in its place. So, even though the dps output maybe a few percent lower, perhaps the extra active buff could more than make up for it.
The problem I have with running companions with Bonding Runestones in dungeons over augments is the weaker stat boost I'd receive. Gemming augments is generally offensive whereas certain companions, mostly defenders, have less useful stats like Regen and Defence. Gemming them with ArP or Crit won't help your companion survive.
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I'm not sure there - it's been last year's promo stuff last year, and IIRC there's been no Warlock promo...
BTW for fast attacks, the Neverember Guard is listed high up (1.5 sec CD for stab). Though it's not so much more common - 1/Account event companion, IIRC. So, considering C's tooltip accuracy, it might be wise to test on Preview before committing...
Renegade Illusionist should be nice if You looking for fast, ranged attack (nwn wiki says "Phantom Bolt has a 1s cooldown, and 80' range"), and it was quite easy to get free for account 2-3months ago, so many people should have him.
I'm not sure but bonding stones+ fighting companion should not give more stats then an augment pet/ ioun stone...or else what would be the point of augment companions in the first place?
I'm not sure but bonding stones+ fighting companion should not give more stats then an augment pet/ ioun stone...or else what would be the point of augment companions in the first place?
Looks like just another broken unbalanced thing.
Augments don't die, so you get a flat bonus with 100% uptime. Active companions that can die should be, and always should have been, the better choice seeing as they have a huge downside.
Still looking to see if anyone can confirm that Companions Gift goes beyond 65% above rank 10?
I'm not sure but bonding stones+ fighting companion should not give more stats then an augment pet/ ioun stone...or else what would be the point of augment companions in the first place?
Looks like just another broken unbalanced thing.
my tanks use augments. because an active pet doesnt let me pull mobs ( packs get broken up/adds come) . once your geared enough to steamroll everything then bonding pets just make life even easier. my healers use bonding pets. because i get far more stats from them than from stones. same with the dps classes ( when they dont have the healer pets out).
oddly enough my wizard runs bonding on a purple earth archon. he's a great tank and procs bonding pretty quick. sure defense ( 3x slots) isnt quite as usefull as more power. but its helpfull when soloing.
Fun fact: Warlock went 5 TIMES more expensive in just 24h after Laz' vid. From 800k AD to over 4m AD. It is even higher prize jump than in case of Pig after official CM (Andy's) PvP companion post.
But what's sad? Sad is that people denies our arguments. But when only they see some BiS in action, they changes their mind. Even spending 4m to get their warlock. it is really sad. But after all, I believe that there are still smart players who doens't follows the majority, but thinks themsevles. And it is our job to lead them to the right side.
We're the "testers". We do not mainstream, we do not maintain. Follow us!
PS Just wanted to say thanks for all the testers. We make a great job and charismatic BiS like Laz can show majority result of our job. It's cool! Thanks Laz and thanks all the others. You rock!
This is just people with rank 12 VIP trying to rip people off. Anything over 800k will sit on the AH for 5 days until the price settles again. Then when a spend reward/the winter event hits it'll drop even further. Anyone buying it now is just getting ripped off.
lol that's if the SW Companion even drops anymore after last years event, so we wont know until the event comes out so stop spewing horse radish about rank 12 VIPers
Erm wut? Anyone that's putting it up for 4 million is doing it because they don't have to pay posting fees. They already dropped to 1.2 million and even at that price they're not selling. It's more likely they'll be in the winter event than not too.
Fun fact: Warlock went 5 TIMES more expensive in just 24h after Laz' vid. From 800k AD to over 4m AD. It is even higher prize jump than in case of Pig after official CM (Andy's) PvP companion post.
But what's sad? Sad is that people denies our arguments. But when only they see some BiS in action, they changes their mind. Even spending 4m to get their warlock. it is really sad. But after all, I believe that there are still smart players who doens't follows the majority, but thinks themsevles. And it is our job to lead them to the right side.
We're the "testers". We do not mainstream, we do not maintain. Follow us!
PS Just wanted to say thanks for all the testers. We make a great job and charismatic BiS like Laz can show majority result of our job. It's cool! Thanks Laz and thanks all the others. You rock!
This is just people with rank 12 VIP trying to rip people off. Anything over 800k will sit on the AH for 5 days until the price settles again. Then when a spend reward/the winter event hits it'll drop even further. Anyone buying it now is just getting ripped off.
lol that's if the SW Companion even drops anymore after last years event, so we wont know until the event comes out so stop spewing horse radish about rank 12 VIPers
[...] It's more likely they'll be in the winter event than not too.
..wishful thinking much, huh?
Simril event gave you a chance to get the goodies from the year before. This year I cannot remember to have seen one where the Zhentarim Warlock was offered...
...so I wouldn't bet on it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Fun fact: Warlock went 5 TIMES more expensive in just 24h after Laz' vid. From 800k AD to over 4m AD. It is even higher prize jump than in case of Pig after official CM (Andy's) PvP companion post.
But what's sad? Sad is that people denies our arguments. But when only they see some BiS in action, they changes their mind. Even spending 4m to get their warlock. it is really sad. But after all, I believe that there are still smart players who doens't follows the majority, but thinks themsevles. And it is our job to lead them to the right side.
We're the "testers". We do not mainstream, we do not maintain. Follow us!
PS Just wanted to say thanks for all the testers. We make a great job and charismatic BiS like Laz can show majority result of our job. It's cool! Thanks Laz and thanks all the others. You rock!
This is just people with rank 12 VIP trying to rip people off. Anything over 800k will sit on the AH for 5 days until the price settles again. Then when a spend reward/the winter event hits it'll drop even further. Anyone buying it now is just getting ripped off.
lol that's if the SW Companion even drops anymore after last years event, so we wont know until the event comes out so stop spewing horse radish about rank 12 VIPers
[...] It's more likely they'll be in the winter event than not too.
..wishful thinking much, huh?
Simril event gave you a chance to get the goodies from the year before. This year I cannot remember to have seen one where the Zhentarim Warlock was offered...
...so I wouldn't bet on it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It has had the same rewards for the past two years : |
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
Ok, so here's the deal on the Zhentarim Warlock. I like her a lot. I've been advocating for months and months that bonding runestones and companions were a great alternative to Ioun Stones.
But there's nothing crazy special about the Warlock that makes her worth millions of AD. Look for any companion, preferably one with more offensive than defensive slots, and a fast attack. There's honestly a lot of companions out there that fit the bill. Anything with an attack CD in the neighborhood of 1-2 seconds should be fine.
Also note that companions with multiple hit abilities have multiple chances to proc it. Some of the thief pets that use Sly Flourish, which hits four times...each of those four hits can proc Companion's Gift.
I personally use the Zhentarim Warlock because she's great at what she does (and apparently Lazalia thinks so, too) and she's a pretty cool pet, imho...but there's nothing inherently unique about what she does that makes her worth millions. I even scoffed when the price jumped from about 150k to 800k after I wrote about it in my guide.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Ok, so here's the deal on the Zhentarim Warlock. I like her a lot. I've been advocating for months and months that bonding runestones and companions were a great alternative to Ioun Stones.
But there's nothing crazy special about the Warlock that makes her worth millions of AD. Look for any companion, preferably one with more offensive than defensive slots, and a fast attack. There's honestly a lot of companions out there that fit the bill. Anything with an attack CD in the neighborhood of 1-2 seconds should be fine.
Also note that companions with multiple hit abilities have multiple chances to proc it. Some of the thief pets that use Sly Flourish, which hits four times...each of those four hits can proc Companion's Gift.
I personally use the Zhentarim Warlock because she's great at what she does (and apparently Lazalia thinks so, too) and she's a pretty cool pet, imho...but there's nothing inherently unique about what she does that makes her worth millions. I even scoffed when the price jumped from about 150k to 800k after I wrote about it in my guide.
*puts on tinfoil hat* This was the trade scam planned out by @ironzerg79 1) buy out all zhentarim warlocks 2) say they really good with bonding runestones in his guide, because he is a trusted, popular figure in the comunnity, people would jump on the train without bothering to test other companions and form their own conclusions. This in turn, massively raises the price of the zhentarim warlock. 3) buy out the opinion's of lazalia and kolatmaster, so they all advocate the same companion, he probably sent 1 as a gift as well. 4) sell for major profit. 5) now that hes out of warlocks, he can come out and say there is nothing special about them and he can walk away with the profit. Whats your next major trade scam ironzerg?
*takes off tinfoil hat* In more serious matters, yes, any fast attacking companion will do. Friends of mine prefer both the yeti and the dancing blades, unfortunately, I am not in the position where I can afford to drop an augment for an active companion, as of yet. However, my testing on preview does show they are probably superior.
Fun fact: Warlock went 5 TIMES more expensive in just 24h after Laz' vid. From 800k AD to over 4m AD. It is even higher prize jump than in case of Pig after official CM (Andy's) PvP companion post.
But what's sad? Sad is that people denies our arguments. But when only they see some BiS in action, they changes their mind. Even spending 4m to get their warlock. it is really sad. But after all, I believe that there are still smart players who doens't follows the majority, but thinks themsevles. And it is our job to lead them to the right side.
We're the "testers". We do not mainstream, we do not maintain. Follow us!
PS Just wanted to say thanks for all the testers. We make a great job and charismatic BiS like Laz can show majority result of our job. It's cool! Thanks Laz and thanks all the others. You rock!
This is just people with rank 12 VIP trying to rip people off. Anything over 800k will sit on the AH for 5 days until the price settles again. Then when a spend reward/the winter event hits it'll drop even further. Anyone buying it now is just getting ripped off.
lol that's if the SW Companion even drops anymore after last years event, so we wont know until the event comes out so stop spewing horse radish about rank 12 VIPers
[...] It's more likely they'll be in the winter event than not too.
..wishful thinking much, huh?
Simril event gave you a chance to get the goodies from the year before. This year I cannot remember to have seen one where the Zhentarim Warlock was offered...
...so I wouldn't bet on it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It has had the same rewards for the past two years : |
...and the events' rewards and ZEN-sale promos had also been about the same.
Also, point for your hypothesis: C's tooltips do NOT reflect what will actually happen more often than they're on spot.
Still, nominally it's a mix from the year's reward in the pool, and we didn't have the Warlock this year.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
@thefabricant Haha...that's a great point. Next time I recommend a pet, I need to stock up on it first. Live and learn, right?
Can anyone confirm that Rank 11 and 12's actually do get a better bonus? I've heard that the tooltips are just bugged.
Anyone confirm?
Have you read my post on page 3? At rank 12 the tooltip shows 65% but the stats say 95%. If this is a bugged feature or a bugged tooltip? No one knows.
The Zhen Warlock works good. The AI is a bit better for ranged pets. The yeti is working good too. He needs more time to proc in an encounter because he has to enter meleee range. But the AoE immunity is nice. I tested some other pets too. The wiki shows cooldown times for each pet. A good feature to pre-select them.
I aggree this is a feature for BIS-players... at 4k item level you do not need the stats to survive and your DPS increase from the stone in terms of ROI (return on investment) is lower. A few seconds later the engine works and DPS is increasing. In dungeon runs this is difficult. ATM the game is so easy with a maxed party.. the mob-packs are going down in seconds. Door-to-door pulling is critical because the pet is running behind you and dies or stucks because of bad AI. The active companion adds a 'new' micro management. Position, movement, choice of target and the Liira´s Bell. I like it ^^
In the end, its going to be about what stays alive and provides the better summoned bonuses I guess.
cooldown time isnt the end all be all of markers. for example the renegade illusionist has a 1 sec cooldown. but the animation takes a couple of seconds. making him vastly inferior to a flame sprite which has a near instant animation and a 1.2 sec cooldown ( not to mention a better bonus). and inferior to a intellect devourer with a 2 sec cooldown.
parse the pets damage and look at the delays between damage. thats where the real markers are.
thats what makes the z warlock so good. no cooldown and really fast animation. meaning she's actually hitting once a second. its what makes the earth archon so much better than an equal rimefire golem. animation speed + cooldown need to be considered. unfortunately there is no listing for animation speed. and you have to really test them to figure out what works for you.
testing shows the renegade illusionist landing phantom bolt every 5 seconds or so. and every 9 seconds or so landing mirror image. just load him up and watch. if you'ld like i'll meet you in the trade of blades and you can compare him to a z warlock. or a scarecrow which also has a really fast attack rate. where as the z warlock lands hellfire eruption every second and eldritch blast once every 10 like clockwork. which is why she's rather expensive on the ah.
more casts = more chance to proc.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
the funniest thing with the active companions is : people ask for nerf for lostmauth set but not the way the bondings work on the companions.
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IS the stones over-performing stated stats? IS this a bug ?
It stats 65% per.. but it appears to be giving closer to 95% per? This doesn't seem correct. Is this the reason you are seeing such a total difference between the two?
This might be a actual bug.
1) having lliras bell on your belt pretty much solves the pet dying problem. Or the eye of lathander at a push.
2) being able to use a fire archon etc. as a psuedo augument pet effectively frees up an active companion slot, giving you additional boosts. For example I use a blue ioun stone, and apart from the stats, its active, a slow, is rubbish. I'd much rather slot something else in its place. So, even though the dps output maybe a few percent lower, perhaps the extra active buff could more than make up for it.
Anyone confirm?
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
BTW for fast attacks, the Neverember Guard is listed high up (1.5 sec CD for stab). Though it's not so much more common - 1/Account event companion, IIRC. So, considering C's tooltip accuracy, it might be wise to test on Preview before committing...
Looks like just another broken unbalanced thing.
Still looking to see if anyone can confirm that Companions Gift goes beyond 65% above rank 10?
oddly enough my wizard runs bonding on a purple earth archon. he's a great tank and procs bonding pretty quick. sure defense ( 3x slots) isnt quite as usefull as more power. but its helpfull when soloing.
They already dropped to 1.2 million and even at that price they're not selling. It's more likely they'll be in the winter event than not too.
Simril event gave you a chance to get the goodies from the year before. This year I cannot remember to have seen one where the Zhentarim Warlock was offered...
...so I wouldn't bet on it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
But there's nothing crazy special about the Warlock that makes her worth millions of AD. Look for any companion, preferably one with more offensive than defensive slots, and a fast attack. There's honestly a lot of companions out there that fit the bill. Anything with an attack CD in the neighborhood of 1-2 seconds should be fine.
Also note that companions with multiple hit abilities have multiple chances to proc it. Some of the thief pets that use Sly Flourish, which hits four times...each of those four hits can proc Companion's Gift.
I personally use the Zhentarim Warlock because she's great at what she does (and apparently Lazalia thinks so, too) and she's a pretty cool pet, imho...but there's nothing inherently unique about what she does that makes her worth millions. I even scoffed when the price jumped from about 150k to 800k after I wrote about it in my guide.
This was the trade scam planned out by @ironzerg79
1) buy out all zhentarim warlocks
2) say they really good with bonding runestones in his guide, because he is a trusted, popular figure in the comunnity, people would jump on the train without bothering to test other companions and form their own conclusions. This in turn, massively raises the price of the zhentarim warlock.
3) buy out the opinion's of lazalia and kolatmaster, so they all advocate the same companion, he probably sent 1 as a gift as well.
4) sell for major profit.
5) now that hes out of warlocks, he can come out and say there is nothing special about them and he can walk away with the profit. Whats your next major trade scam ironzerg?
*takes off tinfoil hat*
In more serious matters, yes, any fast attacking companion will do. Friends of mine prefer both the yeti and the dancing blades, unfortunately, I am not in the position where I can afford to drop an augment for an active companion, as of yet. However, my testing on preview does show they are probably superior.
Also, point for your hypothesis: C's tooltips do NOT reflect what will actually happen more often than they're on spot.
Still, nominally it's a mix from the year's reward in the pool, and we didn't have the Warlock this year.
The Zhen Warlock works good. The AI is a bit better for ranged pets. The yeti is working good too. He needs more time to proc in an encounter because he has to enter meleee range. But the AoE immunity is nice. I tested some other pets too. The wiki shows cooldown times for each pet. A good feature to pre-select them.
I aggree this is a feature for BIS-players... at 4k item level you do not need the stats to survive and your DPS increase from the stone in terms of ROI (return on investment) is lower. A few seconds later the engine works and DPS is increasing. In dungeon runs this is difficult. ATM the game is so easy with a maxed party.. the mob-packs are going down in seconds. Door-to-door pulling is critical because the pet is running behind you and dies or stucks because of bad AI. The active companion adds a 'new' micro management. Position, movement, choice of target and the Liira´s Bell. I like it ^^
Also, Companions who attack a lot are super duper in their own right. Some better than others of course... *whistles innocently*
Lizardfolk Shaman - 1s
Mystagogue - 1s
Moonshae Druid - 1.2s
Neverember Guard Archer - 1s
Portal Hound - 1.5s
Renegade Illusionist - 1s (and creates mirror images, may be even faster)
Repentant Dragon Cultist - 1s
In the end, its going to be about what stays alive and provides the better summoned bonuses I guess.
parse the pets damage and look at the delays between damage. thats where the real markers are.
thats what makes the z warlock so good. no cooldown and really fast animation. meaning she's actually hitting once a second.
its what makes the earth archon so much better than an equal rimefire golem. animation speed + cooldown need to be considered. unfortunately there is no listing for animation speed. and you have to really test them to figure out what works for you.
testing shows the renegade illusionist landing phantom bolt every 5 seconds or so. and every 9 seconds or so landing mirror image. just load him up and watch. if you'ld like i'll meet you in the trade of blades and you can compare him to a z warlock. or a scarecrow which also has a really fast attack rate.
where as the z warlock lands hellfire eruption every second and eldritch blast once every 10 like clockwork. which is why she's rather expensive on the ah.
more casts = more chance to proc.