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idashlaidashla Member Posts: 87 Arc User
Shouldn't Klingons (KDF) be able to visit Vulcan? Vulcan is a rather neutral place, right? Shouldn't Klingons be able to visit the Nimoy/Spock memorial on Vulcan. Personally I think so. At the very least if a player achieves Level 4 Diplomacy (aka "Marauding"), they should be able to visit and go down to Vulcan. If you agree, please chime in.

I wasn't sure where a feature request such as this should go, so I am posting here.
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  • kiloacekiloace Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I wouldn't say anything just yet, seeing how the Sector Space revamp is (allegedly) right around the corner and, as it occurred to me the other day:


    "Huh. No more walls separating Qo'noS and Earth."
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,218 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    idashla wrote: »
    Shouldn't Klingons (KDF) be able to visit Vulcan?
    About as neutral as Andor or Earth, I'd think.

    I would say that with the end of the war, it wouldn't be unreasonable to open up these maps - but any argument you could make for Vulcan would also work for Earth Space Dock or Deep Space K-7.
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  • redshirtthefirstredshirtthefirst Member Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Simply.... no. It was bad enough they scrapped the war between factions, some planets should be left faction gated for access.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The war is over. There remains no logical justification for the restriction.
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  • js26568js26568 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    We should be able to visit First City as a federation character too. It's not fair that the KDF get the delights of that annoying constant low frequency background hum all to themselves. Oh, and they get all that gold spam in their zone chat too.

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  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,574 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kiloace wrote: »
    I wouldn't say anything just yet, seeing how the Sector Space revamp is (allegedly) right around the corner and, as it occurred to me the other day:


    "Huh. No more walls separating Qo'noS and Earth."


    yup my tribble test character i leveled there has no restrictions to go to klingon space even with zero diplomacy. can not beam down any where by can fly by the planets
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Hmm.

    Well, Klingons can go to New Romulus, so they could easily pay their respects there instead of Vulcan.

    Given the pre-50 2409 storyline that continues on, I could see where it doesn't make sense to allow low-level KDF to visit Vulcan because they're technically still at war with the Federation.

    If they could fix it to allow high-level KDF to go there (without being able to target Feds), that makes sense. I suspect their map tech won't normally allow that, though and might actually require an overhaul of Vulcan.

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  • bberge1701bberge1701 Member Posts: 724 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2015
    I think the that if you character has:
    • Max Diplomacy (Fed) or Marauding (KDF)
    • Completed the mission "Surface Tension"
    You should be able to visit "enemy" planets or installations. At this point in the story, the war is over for you.
  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    protogoth wrote: »
    The war is over. There remains no logical justification for the restriction.

    The war isn't over. Theres only a cease-fire. That's not an end to the war.
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  • eiledoneiledon Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Pretty sure under the Federation charter, individual planets/members retain sovereignty meaning they can individually decide to permit or deny access even to other Federation citizens should they wish - although in most cases this portion of the charter is not generally enacted.

    Because the Federation/Starfleet, High Council/KDF and Romulan Republic have currently agreed to work together against a greater foe does not mean that in general opposing factions would be permitted. During the Dominion War (last comparable coalition) we didnt in general see mass landings of Klingons or Romulans on Federation worlds (Bajor and its protectorates were not Federation members at the time)
  • medalionemissarymedalionemissary Member Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I was only partly paying attention to the Memorial Stream yesterday

    Qo'Nos doesn't have an actual Memorial Statue for Spock right?

    It makes sense for Fed and even Romulan Republic, but KDF it would make no sense other than that plaque they have to honor the people behind Star Trek who have passed on.
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,197 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I was only partly paying attention to the Memorial Stream yesterday

    Qo'Nos doesn't have an actual Memorial Statue for Spock right?

    It makes sense for Fed and even Romulan Republic, but KDF it would make no sense other than that plaque they have to honor the people behind Star Trek who have passed on.

    Spock helped the Klingons and federation make peace after 70 years of hostility.
    I would at least have a bar named after him on qu'nos.
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  • baconmaesterbaconmaester Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    About as neutral as Andor or Earth, I'd think.

    I would say that with the end of the war, it wouldn't be unreasonable to open up these maps - but any argument you could make for Vulcan would also work for Earth Space Dock or Deep Space K-7.

    They declared a ceasefire not an end to the war.

    Flying a BoP or Vor'cha up to Vulcan, Andoria, or Earth would be like the US driving over the demilitarized zone and onto the doorstep of Pyongyang.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,197 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    They declared a ceasefire not an end to the war.

    Flying a BoP or Vor'cha up to Vulcan, Andoria, or Earth would be like the US driving over the demilitarized zone and onto the doorstep of Pyongyang.

    No, it would be like flying to Russia in a military craft after the Cold War . Something the U.S. did millions of times
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 2,847 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    chalpen wrote: »
    No, it would be like flying to Russia in a military craft after the Cold War . Something the U.S. did millions of times

    Cold war was never an actual war... Korean War was... and it never ended. Only an armistice.
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    tigeraries wrote: »
    Cold war was never an actual war... Korean War was... and it never ended. Only an armistice.

    The cold war was more of a war than you give it credit for. More time, money, lives, were spent and lost on it than most openly declared "wars" -- it was quite hot at times, and many instances that would probably have sparked world-wide outrage and tilted the world into global thermonuclear war were kept hidden under the label of state secrets and TOP SECRET and so forth. Many technological advancements came from it, but just because we didn't put boots on Russian soil doesn't make it "not a war"...
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,746 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    idashla wrote: »
    Shouldn't Klingons (KDF) be able to visit Vulcan? Vulcan is a rather neutral place, right? Shouldn't Klingons be able to visit the Nimoy/Spock memorial on Vulcan. Personally I think so. At the very least if a player achieves Level 4 Diplomacy (aka "Marauding"), they should be able to visit and go down to Vulcan. If you agree, please chime in.

    I wasn't sure where a feature request such as this should go, so I am posting here.

    more moderate vulcan elements would argue that having Klingons on Qo'Nos is illogical, they bring emotion, chaos and trouble to an ordered, logical and quiet life on Vulcan :P.

    But stating that Klingons have set foot on Vulcan very recently, my main is a female klingon, she has had her time to visit and respect Spock at his statue.

    When the sector walls drop, there is perhaps a chance, but then again thats if cryptic allows it to happen.
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  • captz1ppcaptz1pp Member Posts: 931 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    My opinion is that KDF players would more likely fit in on the Andorian homeworld(Maybe not Gorn and Orions, too cold for 'em), given the similar personalities. Also, Klingons would have nothing to do on Vulcan.
  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    hpgibbs wrote: »
    The war isn't over. Theres only a cease-fire. That's not an end to the war.

    Isn't the game itself inconsistent about this? When my KDF toon (with rank 4 Marauding) goes to the Sirius block, he sometimes gets a 'cease-fire' message noting why he's allowed to go there. Other times, he still gets the rank 4 Marauder message.

    More importantly, didn't J'mpok and Admiral Quinn declare an "end of hostilities" at the end of Surface Tension? That might not be the same as a formal peace treaty, which would take diplomats some time to hammer out and normalize relations between the two powers, but that sounds like a declaration of the end of the war to me. Besides which, the war goes pretty cold after the introductory story arc, seeming to exist solely to justify faction-based PVP (and in turn require some hamfisted justification of cross-faction efforts throughout the rest of the game).
  • quepanquepan Member Posts: 518 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    i would like to point out that the Statue on new Romalus is open to all factions . so KDF can see a statue there . while vulcan has one which is locked to federation characters , it makes sense to have it there . so KDF officers have direct access to a spock monument ,
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    IMHO I think visiting Faction Restricted social zones should be a reward and privilige reserved exclusively for those who max out Diplomacy/Maruading.

    And with sector walls coming down, that makes more sense now than ever.
  • kamenriderzero1kamenriderzero1 Member Posts: 906 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The Fed-KDF was is outright over. That meeting at the beginning of Surface tension was restarted and created the Jenolan Accords, the new peace treaty between the Feds and Klingons.
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  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Hmm.

    Well, Klingons can go to New Romulus, so they could easily pay their respects there instead of Vulcan.

    Given the pre-50 2409 storyline that continues on, I could see where it doesn't make sense to allow low-level KDF to visit Vulcan because they're technically still at war with the Federation.

    If they could fix it to allow high-level KDF to go there (without being able to target Feds), that makes sense. I suspect their map tech won't normally allow that, though and might actually require an overhaul of Vulcan.

    Tacofangs, if you read this, any comments about this idea?
    theres a planet.. Risa.. should i say more ?


    also signing to open vulcan for kdf /min. to marauders at least/
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  • derrico1derrico1 Member Posts: 280 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    all factions should be able to go to any planet of another faction as long as they have diplomatic 4 !!!
  • robert359robert359 Member Posts: 354 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The Klingons can have a statue of Kang, Michael Ansara, on Qo'noS.
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  • thunderfoot006thunderfoot006 Member Posts: 4,063 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Why now? Why is it now important for KDF players to be able to visit Vulcan? Before Mr. Nimoy passed away, this wasn't wanted or even mentioned. There is still no good or beneficial reason to allow this.
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  • lessley00lessley00 Member Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    idashla wrote: »
    Shouldn't Klingons (KDF) be able to visit Vulcan? Vulcan is a rather neutral place, right? Shouldn't Klingons be able to visit the Nimoy/Spock memorial on Vulcan. Personally I think so. At the very least if a player achieves Level 4 Diplomacy (aka "Marauding"), they should be able to visit and go down to Vulcan. If you agree, please chime in.

    I wasn't sure where a feature request such as this should go, so I am posting here.

    Now tell me, why would a Klingon warrior want to pay his/her respects to a Vulcan?? Never will we let Federation scum walk freely on Klingon soil, and never will we stop fighting these ptaq. The Iconians can wait, there is glory to be had!!
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  • abystander0abystander0 Member Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    No.

    There is no good reason for KDF players to be visiting Vulcan. Same goes for Andoria and ESD.

    Starfleet would be VERY leery about letting KDF warships inside a planets' defensive perimeter short of a catastrophic emergency. The only ships that would reasonably be around Vulcan or other Starfleet/Federation installations would be for off the books commerce raiding, or espionage.

    Spock's influence with the KDF was almost negligible. The peace negotiated with the Klingon Empire that he participated in wasn't a one person show, as it took others to help make it happen (one that eventually came apart).

    The war may be over but that doesn't mean there's been an outbreak of trust and understanding. If you want to stare at a statue of a Vulcan as a KDF player, you can always go to New Romulus. The romulans are less boring, the planet is more vibrant, and more importantly there are other things there to do than watching dirt collect on your shuttle and statue gazing.

    Don't get me wrong, I think the memorials are nice, but there are already ways to access them without having to mess with things.
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