Klingons to Vulcan?

idashla

Shouldn't Klingons (KDF) be able to visit Vulcan? Vulcan is a rather neutral place, right? Shouldn't Klingons be able to visit the Nimoy/Spock memorial on Vulcan. Personally I think so. At the very least if a player achieves Level 4 Diplomacy (aka "Marauding"), they should be able to visit and go down to Vulcan. If you agree, please chime in.

I wasn't sure where a feature request such as this should go, so I am posting here.

kiloace

I wouldn't say anything just yet, seeing how the Sector Space revamp is (allegedly) right around the corner and, as it occurred to me the other day:


"Huh. No more walls separating Qo'noS and Earth."

mustrumridcully0

idashla wrote: »

Shouldn't Klingons (KDF) be able to visit Vulcan?

About as neutral as Andor or Earth, I'd think.

I would say that with the end of the war, it wouldn't be unreasonable to open up these maps - but any argument you could make for Vulcan would also work for Earth Space Dock or Deep Space K-7.

redshirtthefirst

Simply.... no. It was bad enough they scrapped the war between factions, some planets should be left faction gated for access.

protogoth

The war is over. There remains no logical justification for the restriction.

js26568

We should be able to visit First City as a federation character too. It's not fair that the KDF get the delights of that annoying constant low frequency background hum all to themselves. Oh, and they get all that gold spam in their zone chat too.

Not fair, I'm telling you.

gpgtx

kiloace wrote: »

I wouldn't say anything just yet, seeing how the Sector Space revamp is (allegedly) right around the corner and, as it occurred to me the other day:


"Huh. No more walls separating Qo'noS and Earth."

yup my tribble test character i leveled there has no restrictions to go to klingon space even with zero diplomacy. can not beam down any where by can fly by the planets

bluegeek

Hmm.

Well, Klingons can go to New Romulus, so they could easily pay their respects there instead of Vulcan.

Given the pre-50 2409 storyline that continues on, I could see where it doesn't make sense to allow low-level KDF to visit Vulcan because they're technically still at war with the Federation.

If they could fix it to allow high-level KDF to go there (without being able to target Feds), that makes sense. I suspect their map tech won't normally allow that, though and might actually require an overhaul of Vulcan.

Tacofangs, if you read this, any comments about this idea?

bberge1701

I think the that if you character has:

• Max Diplomacy (Fed) or Marauding (KDF)
• Completed the mission "Surface Tension"

You should be able to visit "enemy" planets or installations. At this point in the story, the war is over for you.

hpgibbs

protogoth wrote: »

The war is over. There remains no logical justification for the restriction.

The war isn't over. Theres only a cease-fire. That's not an end to the war.

garaks31

yes we should

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eiledon

Pretty sure under the Federation charter, individual planets/members retain sovereignty meaning they can individually decide to permit or deny access even to other Federation citizens should they wish - although in most cases this portion of the charter is not generally enacted.

Because the Federation/Starfleet, High Council/KDF and Romulan Republic have currently agreed to work together against a greater foe does not mean that in general opposing factions would be permitted. During the Dominion War (last comparable coalition) we didnt in general see mass landings of Klingons or Romulans on Federation worlds (Bajor and its protectorates were not Federation members at the time)

medalionemissary

I was only partly paying attention to the Memorial Stream yesterday

Qo'Nos doesn't have an actual Memorial Statue for Spock right?

It makes sense for Fed and even Romulan Republic, but KDF it would make no sense other than that plaque they have to honor the people behind Star Trek who have passed on.

chalpen

medalionemissary wrote: »

I was only partly paying attention to the Memorial Stream yesterday

Qo'Nos doesn't have an actual Memorial Statue for Spock right?

It makes sense for Fed and even Romulan Republic, but KDF it would make no sense other than that plaque they have to honor the people behind Star Trek who have passed on.

Spock helped the Klingons and federation make peace after 70 years of hostility.
I would at least have a bar named after him on qu'nos.

baconmaester

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

About as neutral as Andor or Earth, I'd think.

I would say that with the end of the war, it wouldn't be unreasonable to open up these maps - but any argument you could make for Vulcan would also work for Earth Space Dock or Deep Space K-7.

They declared a ceasefire not an end to the war.

Flying a BoP or Vor'cha up to Vulcan, Andoria, or Earth would be like the US driving over the demilitarized zone and onto the doorstep of Pyongyang.

chalpen

baconmaester wrote: »

They declared a ceasefire not an end to the war.

Flying a BoP or Vor'cha up to Vulcan, Andoria, or Earth would be like the US driving over the demilitarized zone and onto the doorstep of Pyongyang.

No, it would be like flying to Russia in a military craft after the Cold War . Something the U.S. did millions of times

tigeraries

chalpen wrote: »

No, it would be like flying to Russia in a military craft after the Cold War . Something the U.S. did millions of times

Cold war was never an actual war... Korean War was... and it never ended. Only an armistice.

rodentmaster

tigeraries wrote: »

Cold war was never an actual war... Korean War was... and it never ended. Only an armistice.

The cold war was more of a war than you give it credit for. More time, money, lives, were spent and lost on it than most openly declared "wars" -- it was quite hot at times, and many instances that would probably have sparked world-wide outrage and tilted the world into global thermonuclear war were kept hidden under the label of state secrets and TOP SECRET and so forth. Many technological advancements came from it, but just because we didn't put boots on Russian soil doesn't make it "not a war"...

mirrorchaos

idashla wrote: »

Shouldn't Klingons (KDF) be able to visit Vulcan? Vulcan is a rather neutral place, right? Shouldn't Klingons be able to visit the Nimoy/Spock memorial on Vulcan. Personally I think so. At the very least if a player achieves Level 4 Diplomacy (aka "Marauding"), they should be able to visit and go down to Vulcan. If you agree, please chime in.

I wasn't sure where a feature request such as this should go, so I am posting here.

more moderate vulcan elements would argue that having Klingons on Qo'Nos is illogical, they bring emotion, chaos and trouble to an ordered, logical and quiet life on Vulcan :P.

But stating that Klingons have set foot on Vulcan very recently, my main is a female klingon, she has had her time to visit and respect Spock at his statue.

When the sector walls drop, there is perhaps a chance, but then again thats if cryptic allows it to happen.

captz1pp

My opinion is that KDF players would more likely fit in on the Andorian homeworld(Maybe not Gorn and Orions, too cold for 'em), given the similar personalities. Also, Klingons would have nothing to do on Vulcan.

sirmayday

hpgibbs wrote: »

The war isn't over. Theres only a cease-fire. That's not an end to the war.

Isn't the game itself inconsistent about this? When my KDF toon (with rank 4 Marauding) goes to the Sirius block, he sometimes gets a 'cease-fire' message noting why he's allowed to go there. Other times, he still gets the rank 4 Marauder message.

More importantly, didn't J'mpok and Admiral Quinn declare an "end of hostilities" at the end of Surface Tension? That might not be the same as a formal peace treaty, which would take diplomats some time to hammer out and normalize relations between the two powers, but that sounds like a declaration of the end of the war to me. Besides which, the war goes pretty cold after the introductory story arc, seeming to exist solely to justify faction-based PVP (and in turn require some hamfisted justification of cross-faction efforts throughout the rest of the game).

quepan

i would like to point out that the Statue on new Romalus is open to all factions . so KDF can see a statue there . while vulcan has one which is locked to federation characters , it makes sense to have it there . so KDF officers have direct access to a spock monument ,

senatorvreenak

IMHO I think visiting Faction Restricted social zones should be a reward and privilige reserved exclusively for those who max out Diplomacy/Maruading.

And with sector walls coming down, that makes more sense now than ever.

kamenriderzero1

The Fed-KDF was is outright over. That meeting at the beginning of Surface tension was restarted and created the Jenolan Accords, the new peace treaty between the Feds and Klingons.

nitefiuu

bluegeek wrote: »

Hmm.

Well, Klingons can go to New Romulus, so they could easily pay their respects there instead of Vulcan.

Given the pre-50 2409 storyline that continues on, I could see where it doesn't make sense to allow low-level KDF to visit Vulcan because they're technically still at war with the Federation.

If they could fix it to allow high-level KDF to go there (without being able to target Feds), that makes sense. I suspect their map tech won't normally allow that, though and might actually require an overhaul of Vulcan.

Tacofangs, if you read this, any comments about this idea?

theres a planet.. Risa.. should i say more ?


also signing to open vulcan for kdf /min. to marauders at least/

derrico1

all factions should be able to go to any planet of another faction as long as they have diplomatic 4 !!!

robert359

The Klingons can have a statue of Kang, Michael Ansara, on Qo'noS.

thunderfoot

Why now? Why is it now important for KDF players to be able to visit Vulcan? Before Mr. Nimoy passed away, this wasn't wanted or even mentioned. There is still no good or beneficial reason to allow this.

lessley00

idashla wrote: »

Shouldn't Klingons (KDF) be able to visit Vulcan? Vulcan is a rather neutral place, right? Shouldn't Klingons be able to visit the Nimoy/Spock memorial on Vulcan. Personally I think so. At the very least if a player achieves Level 4 Diplomacy (aka "Marauding"), they should be able to visit and go down to Vulcan. If you agree, please chime in.

I wasn't sure where a feature request such as this should go, so I am posting here.

Now tell me, why would a Klingon warrior want to pay his/her respects to a Vulcan?? Never will we let Federation scum walk freely on Klingon soil, and never will we stop fighting these ptaq. The Iconians can wait, there is glory to be had!!

abystander0

No.

There is no good reason for KDF players to be visiting Vulcan. Same goes for Andoria and ESD.

Starfleet would be VERY leery about letting KDF warships inside a planets' defensive perimeter short of a catastrophic emergency. The only ships that would reasonably be around Vulcan or other Starfleet/Federation installations would be for off the books commerce raiding, or espionage.

Spock's influence with the KDF was almost negligible. The peace negotiated with the Klingon Empire that he participated in wasn't a one person show, as it took others to help make it happen (one that eventually came apart).

The war may be over but that doesn't mean there's been an outbreak of trust and understanding. If you want to stare at a statue of a Vulcan as a KDF player, you can always go to New Romulus. The romulans are less boring, the planet is more vibrant, and more importantly there are other things there to do than watching dirt collect on your shuttle and statue gazing.

Don't get me wrong, I think the memorials are nice, but there are already ways to access them without having to mess with things.