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Hard to do when our posts are ignored in favor of continuing a false narrative about your perceived opposition, in this thread. The rebuttals have already been given.
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Fan interest? Ehhh, its a small corner of the internet that actually looks up and anxiously awaits these types of creations. Not to say that they aren't fun. But it is far to small a group to really threaten anything like Beyond or a TV series launch. The Star Trek fan base is to actively divided against itself to unite…
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Nothing. We have nothing against it being a Military organization. I don't think any of us would think anything of it if that is what it was written as from the beginning. All we are communicating, is that the show says that it isn't. That's it. Sure, it functions very similar to modern day Militaries with some additional…
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The D'Deridex is more of a match for the Galaxy Class, the Klingon comparable is the Negh'Var, not the Vorcha, and would lose in a straight up fight against both. @feiqa That was the dumbest thing I've read on here yet. OP's posts included. Seriously?
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17 is the earliest that the USNA will accept into the Academy. So he hasn't even been in it a year. Even less believable for a Military than Kirk's promotion to Captain of the Enterprise.
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Chekov is to young to enlist in the Military. Yet even he (Kirk) hasn't called Starfleet a Military. He is enlisted in Starfleet. That does fall under the terminology of a soldier. And in times of war or conflict we have already agreed that Starfleet functions as the defensive arm of the Federation. So by today's…
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Do you have a clip that has any member of Starfleet stating that they are the Military?
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Minus the fact that it isn't. Seriously people. Read what others have posted. So far it is your word against the word of the IP. Guess who wins.
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Hardly. Not only have any of us agreed to, or insinuated, that Military is a dirty word. That's all you. What isn't understood is that your words don't matter. Your opinion doesn't matter. My opinion doesn't matter. It has been repeatedly stressed that Starfleet is not a Military. Onscreen. That ends the argument of…
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Disagreements aside. Let's all watch it, be it good or bad. The IP needs money and viewers to survive. We can give it that.
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You do realize that regardless of if this show is any good, you owe JJ in a big way right?
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Meh, they all do. Even with just 7 movies star wars couldn't keep it straight, lol. What sucks is that it is fans like this that ultimately cripple a franchise. They've already made up their minds before anything has even been said, made official or released. William Shatner isn't returning to play Kirk!? Its going to…
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MACO perhaps. Other than that, its ship personnel. I think that the point being missed here is that this is a fictional piece of work. It abides by its own rules. Not ours. So by its own rules, Starfleet is not a Military. Under ours rules, it would indeed be hard to justify it as anything else. Even if they insisted upon…
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Star Trek isn't the real world... How else would this type of debate even exist?
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Then Starfleet is the most moronic Military ever created. No armor for field troops. Poor secondary backup systems. Lackluster ship armor and weak structural designs. Their ships are incredibly lightly armed for their size. Critical ship systems are overly exposed to both elements and combatants. Their crews are poorly…
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Memory Alpha: Starfleet Starfleet was the deep-space exploratory and defense service maintained by the United Federation of Planets. Its principal functions included the advancement of Federation knowledge about the galaxy and its inhabitants, the advancement of Federation science and technology, the defense of the…
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Woot woot! That is pretty cool +)
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Orange ya glad
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I was bummed when they announced that she was to be decommissioned. It makes sense why, but it was just one of those things you thought would be around forever.
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Haha! I picture Admiral Quinn as never even having looked up.
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1st Samuel 16:7 Y'all keep refusing to see an organization capable of defense of self as anything but a Military.
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Errr... I'm confused. So today, civilians think that the Military are uniformed killers. But people in the Military know that the above is not true. In this debate. A civilian states that Starfleet is Military. But people in Starfleet say it isn't. I can't... use... my words EDIT: Ok I think I get more of what you are…
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I think that is a fair comment. Trying to be objective, I have no doubt that to many, that is exactly what they appear to be. Walk, talk, look right. But just as you don't like the thought of people looking at the Military as uniformed killers. Could it be that Starfleet personnel feel the same way when others look at them…
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Following in what I think is the idea of your post here. If the show was created today instead of in the 1960's, I think that Starfleet would have been labeled as a Military with Exploration and Scientific included in its overly large umbrella of primary functions. Being a creation of the 1960's and Roddenberry however,…
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That blue coat of paint is yours. It is considered canon that Starfleet is not the Military. Picard, Kirk, Scotty and others have all mentioned being something else first, and not a military organization. Whether it is a comment made in error doesn't matter. It was made. And I disagree. Is it likely? No. But that doesn't…
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You mean the one that had them rewriting the article to allow them to legally deploy troops? Despite heavy opposition in the DIET to the new law. The one that had 69% or more, of the populace against it? The one where the JSDF contingent was not allowed to engage the enemy UNLESS fired upon first? The JIRSG with tasks such…
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I was addressing the post from markhawkman about needing a lot of training to be effective in combat that seemed, imo, to be of the belief that they are all superbly trained combat veterans by the time the leave the academy. And your comments towards darthmeow504 about the JSDF describe perfectly the thought that the rest…
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Ditto. Back on track however! Lol General Starfleet personnel do not seem to receive effective combat training. (They wear standard uniforms into combat zones.../facepalm) They receive a general all around type of training. Then they specialize, not unlike how we do today in our current education system. It is shown…
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You're are entitled to your own opinion.
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Starfleet is the militaristic arm of the Federation. That does not however make it a Military. The ranks, regulations, courts, etc are a form of organization that adheres to and respects a chain of command. Something necessary for a large organization to function. This is not military specific. They could have made…