Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Yes and no.... the origin of the story people are familiar with is uncertain at best. The earliest use of the name in literature dates to 1377. Yes, that's a 3. It may be an exaggerated retelling of real events, but it's hard to be sure 6 centuries later. The Scotichronicon lists a very similar person as an ally of Simon de Montfort. It's also been suggested that the stories are based on the deeds of a man named Roger Godberd.
Yes and no.... the origin of the story people are familiar with is uncertain at best. The earliest use of the name in literature dates to 1377. Yes, that's a 3. It may be an exaggerated retelling of real events, but it's hard to be sure 6 centuries later. The Scotichronicon lists a very similar person as an ally of Simon de Montfort. It's also been suggested that the stories are based on the deeds of a man named Roger Godberd.
I am aware of that. But it dosn't diminish my statement. Saying the inspiration for a character is real does not make that character real. Robin Hood is a character with a defined mythos, and that character is fictional.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Yes and no.... the origin of the story people are familiar with is uncertain at best. The earliest use of the name in literature dates to 1377. Yes, that's a 3. It may be an exaggerated retelling of real events, but it's hard to be sure 6 centuries later. The Scotichronicon lists a very similar person as an ally of Simon de Montfort. It's also been suggested that the stories are based on the deeds of a man named Roger Godberd.
Your story doesn't tell me when Robin or Roger or Simon actually MET Garth of Izar (played by Peters). So we need to fill that blank in!
Yes and no.... the origin of the story people are familiar with is uncertain at best. The earliest use of the name in literature dates to 1377. Yes, that's a 3. It may be an exaggerated retelling of real events, but it's hard to be sure 6 centuries later. The Scotichronicon lists a very similar person as an ally of Simon de Montfort. It's also been suggested that the stories are based on the deeds of a man named Roger Godberd.
Your story doesn't tell me when Robin or Roger or Simon actually MET Garth of Izar (played by Peters). So we need to fill that blank in!
You fill it in. I'll sell it off and use the money for myself.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Yes and no.... the origin of the story people are familiar with is uncertain at best. The earliest use of the name in literature dates to 1377. Yes, that's a 3. It may be an exaggerated retelling of real events, but it's hard to be sure 6 centuries later. The Scotichronicon lists a very similar person as an ally of Simon de Montfort. It's also been suggested that the stories are based on the deeds of a man named Roger Godberd.
Your story doesn't tell me when Robin or Roger or Simon actually MET Garth of Izar (played by Peters). So we need to fill that blank in!
You fill it in. I'll sell it off and use the money for myself.
No wonder CBS went into paranoid mode over Axanar. Prelude was awesome and well done. The new series launching in Jan has some pretty big shoes to fill already and picked an unimaginative similar setting as a start. If fans can make better shows than pros can, nobody needs pros anymore.
Prelude was interesting, (and hell, I'm one of the idiots who Pledged to see 'Axanar' get made BEFORE bothering to look into Alec peters business history and see that he's nothing but a Con artist.) To that point, realize that 99% of ALL the professional people who made Prelude HAVE LEFT THE PROJECT. Why? Because once the Pledges started polling in to the degree that they did, Mr. Peters thought he'd learned enough to do it all himself.
In Prelude, it looked the way it did because these professionals KNEW what they were doing and were able to make GREAT deals getting both talent and leased studio space at a very good rate (even back then Alec wanted to build his own studio and was thankfully talked out of it BY professionals who explained why it was a bad idea, how it would inflate the budget and you'd see less of the actual money on the screen where it belonged, etc.) Alec pretty much drove every professional (they werte gearing up and wanted to pull the trigger and start shooting Axanar a couple of months after completing Prelude.
But, due to Peters negligence and ego, here we are two plus years later and Peters can't even get the patch perks for any of the later crowdfunding campaigns.
CBS/Paramount aren't suing because Axanar is 'too good'; they're suing because for two plus years Alec Peters has been runiong a 'donor store' selling UNLICENSED Star Trek merchandise; and gotten start up funds for his FOR PROFIT studio; and fdurther has been paying himself and others of his inner circle salaries <--- All from trading on his illegal and unlicensed use of the Star Trek IP.
If CBS/Paramount just let this go; you'd soon see other companies go: "Hey if CBS/Paramount is letting this guys get away with selling unlicensed merchandise; why should we bother with the licensing process?"
And before you say "Well, they should just let Mr. Peters have a license..." - THAT would also be a bad business decision because they (CBS/Paramount) want to have a say in the product that is a production and DO want money iup front (it's how they make a profit from their IP) - and Mr. Peters has already drove seasoned professionals OFF the Project; and it's doubtful he could afford the CBS/Paramount Licensing fee, etc. Plus at this point CBS/Paramount DON'T want to give the impression they'll reward a thief with a license.
Also, if you're wondering what the big difference between Axanar and the other fan productions were: No other fan productions paid Salaries to now-union members (Peter's who was taking a Producer salary is NOT a member of the Hollywood PGA.); and any Perks they gave for Pledges were made in number limited to the amount needed to fulfill a Pledge promise. (IE if they had a tier that said they would give you a Star trek patch and 75 Pledges came in for that tier - ONLY 75 patches were made and distributed -- there was no online store where you could mix and match and order stuff and have it delivered on a ppiece by piece basis - which is what the Axanar Donor store is. In fact stuff ordered directly through the Axanar donor store gets shipped while the items promised as part of their various KS and Indegogo campaigns STILL haven't been shipped to any of those who Pledged in later campaigns.
So yeah, there are in fact GOOD reasons why CBS/Paramount (after two+ years of this and a warning to Mr. Peteers in August of 2015 at a Star Trek Convention meeting) that CBSD/Paramount initiated a lawsuit against Axanar. And NONE of it has to do with: "...because Axanar was 'too good'."
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It's in direct competition with the new series so they decided they had to kill it. it's sad but understandable.
It really, really wasn't. Really. It wasn't in competition with other fanworks never mind a fully funded and advertised full scale production. It was killed because it was theft, nothing more, nothing less.
Oh it was competition alright. People were actually excited by the prospect of Axanar. Does anyone actually sound excited about TRIBBLE, or are they too busy pissing and moaning about the shape of the ship? Financially, no, Axanar was no threat, but it won the 'hearts and minds' of the fans. As I've said before, CBS/Paramount sued for infringement, because they knew they would get laughed out of court if they had just tried to get it shut down. The infringements may be (are) legitimate, but I don't believe that they were the true motivating factors for the suit, just the easiest and most likely to stick suit...
It's in direct competition with the new series so they decided they had to kill it. it's sad but understandable.
It really, really wasn't. Really. It wasn't in competition with other fanworks never mind a fully funded and advertised full scale production. It was killed because it was theft, nothing more, nothing less.
Oh it was competition alright. People were actually excited by the prospect of Axanar. Does anyone actually sound excited about TRIBBLE, or are they too busy pissing and moaning about the shape of the ship? Financially, no, Axanar was no threat, but it won the 'hearts and minds' of the fans. As I've said before, CBS/Paramount sued for infringement, because they knew they would get laughed out of court if they had just tried to get it shut down. The infringements may be (are) legitimate, but they I don't believe that they were the true motivating factors for the suit, just the easiest and most likely to stick suit...
hearts and minds of a small percentage of fans. No, they didn't sue because they didn't want to protect their feelings, but to protect their rights as an IP holder.
It's in direct competition with the new series so they decided they had to kill it. it's sad but understandable.
It really, really wasn't. Really. It wasn't in competition with other fanworks never mind a fully funded and advertised full scale production. It was killed because it was theft, nothing more, nothing less.
Oh it was competition alright. People were actually excited by the prospect of Axanar. Does anyone actually sound excited about TRIBBLE, or are they too busy pissing and moaning about the shape of the ship? Financially, no, Axanar was no threat, but it won the 'hearts and minds' of the fans. As I've said before, CBS/Paramount sued for infringement, because they knew they would get laughed out of court if they had just tried to get it shut down. The infringements may be (are) legitimate, but they I don't believe that they were the true motivating factors for the suit, just the easiest and most likely to stick suit...
hearts and minds of a small percentage of fans. No, they didn't sue because they didn't want to protect their feelings, but to protect their rights as an IP holder.
Feelings have nothing to do with it. They didn't want Axanar taking the thunder from Beyond and TRIBBLE, and thus hitting them in the wallet. The level of interest in Axanar, as I said, is significantly more positive than the lead up to 'Too Fast Too Trek' (although Beyond has gone down very well with the fanbase) and what we're now seeing before TRIBBLE... Infringement of the IP was their best hope in court, so that was the route they went with...
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The reason people were excited about Axanar was because word spread about it. How much do we know of Discovery, and for how long? Not much and only recently.
It was theft when it went from a non-profit fan project to exploitation for money to fund for-profit projects. In short, Axanar was basically a scam. All we got out of it was the pretty "prelude".
It's in direct competition with the new series so they decided they had to kill it. it's sad but understandable.
It really, really wasn't. Really. It wasn't in competition with other fanworks never mind a fully funded and advertised full scale production. It was killed because it was theft, nothing more, nothing less.
Oh it was competition alright. People were actually excited by the prospect of Axanar. Does anyone actually sound excited about TRIBBLE, or are they too busy pissing and moaning about the shape of the ship? Financially, no, Axanar was no threat, but it won the 'hearts and minds' of the fans. As I've said before, CBS/Paramount sued for infringement, because they knew they would get laughed out of court if they had just tried to get it shut down. The infringements may be (are) legitimate, but they I don't believe that they were the true motivating factors for the suit, just the easiest and most likely to stick suit...
hearts and minds of a small percentage of fans. No, they didn't sue because they didn't want to protect their feelings, but to protect their rights as an IP holder.
Feelings have nothing to do with it. They didn't want Axanar taking the thunder from Beyond and TRIBBLE, and thus hitting them in the wallet. The level of interest in Axanar, as I said, is significantly more positive than the lead up to 'Too Fast Too Trek' (although Beyond has gone down very well with the fanbase) and what we're now seeing before TRIBBLE... Infringement of the IP was their best hope in court, so that was the route they went with...
According to people formerly close to LFIM, apparently he did receive word that he needed to shut down before the lawsuit, but he chose to ignore it (which isn't surprising). Again, only a small percentage of the fanbase thought Axanar was going to be better than Beyond.
The reason people were excited about Axanar was because word spread about it. How much do we know of Discovery, and for how long? Not much and only recently.
I agree, but all there's been thus far, is a lot of criticism of the design of the Discovery. I've not really seen any enthusiasm from the peanut gallery for the series, nor the streaming service...
It was theft when it went from a non-profit fan project to exploitation for money to fund for-profit projects. In short, Axanar was basically a scam. All we got out of it was the pretty "prelude".
I agree absolutely that Axanar was a scam. Profit/non-profit is just semantics, because it's clear that Alec Peters only ever intended to fund his own studio from it, so it was always a scam... That doesn't diminish the level of interest for it, and the level of interest, is what I'm talking about...
It's in direct competition with the new series so they decided they had to kill it. it's sad but understandable.
It really, really wasn't. Really. It wasn't in competition with other fanworks never mind a fully funded and advertised full scale production. It was killed because it was theft, nothing more, nothing less.
Oh it was competition alright. People were actually excited by the prospect of Axanar. Does anyone actually sound excited about TRIBBLE, or are they too busy pissing and moaning about the shape of the ship? Financially, no, Axanar was no threat, but it won the 'hearts and minds' of the fans. As I've said before, CBS/Paramount sued for infringement, because they knew they would get laughed out of court if they had just tried to get it shut down. The infringements may be (are) legitimate, but they I don't believe that they were the true motivating factors for the suit, just the easiest and most likely to stick suit...
hearts and minds of a small percentage of fans. No, they didn't sue because they didn't want to protect their feelings, but to protect their rights as an IP holder.
Feelings have nothing to do with it. They didn't want Axanar taking the thunder from Beyond and TRIBBLE, and thus hitting them in the wallet. The level of interest in Axanar, as I said, is significantly more positive than the lead up to 'Too Fast Too Trek' (although Beyond has gone down very well with the fanbase) and what we're now seeing before TRIBBLE... Infringement of the IP was their best hope in court, so that was the route they went with...
According to people formerly close to LFIM, apparently he did receive word that he needed to shut down before the lawsuit, but he chose to ignore it (which isn't surprising). Again, only a small percentage of the fanbase thought Axanar was going to be better than Beyond.
That doesn't surprize me to hear, and again, that desire by CBS/Paramount to have him close, is because they didn't want to lose interest in the official releases. I disagree that it was a small percentage, but don't have anything definitive to prove figures either way. All I'm going on, is observation of people's interest on-forum. People weren't happy with the idea of Justin Lin directing, and they didn't like the initial trailers. Simon Pegg openly acknowledged that, so it's not an insignificant amount of the fanbase. Equally, many people aren't happy with the idea of CBS streaming as the only way to get TRIBBLE, and have been rather critical of the design of the Discovery. Axanar, on the other hand, had a consistenty strong following, until folks realized they were getting ripped off by LFIM... Again, only going on my own observations, so YMMV
Prelude was fun to watch. Was it the Savior of Star Trek or is "The Spirit of Star Trek"? Not in the at least bit, it was a pseudo-documentary about a war, a Star Trek war, but war nonetheless. LFIM has stated that Prelude was more Trek than the new movies, but he felt the need to use similar shots to the new movies and same ships minus the Ares (a ship of war, not an explorer) and the Constitution; yet it had nothing that would have jumped out and said THIS IS STAR TREK. Have I heard a lot of Axanar detractors? Depends on where you go, when I say a small percentage of fans, prior to specific Trek fan sites, the average Trek fan would care less, they are about official Trek productions. Just like any Trek productions, there is always has been a very vocal, but a small percentage of Trek fanbase who hate everything going from TAS to TNG to DS9 and so on. Yet on this very forum, I have seen fans who loved Beyond, who are looking forward to Discovery, and had hopes for Axanar.
Prelude was fun to watch. Was it the Savior of Star Trek or is "The Spirit of Star Trek"? Not in the at least bit, it was a pseudo-documentary about a war, a Star Trek war, but war nonetheless. LFIM has stated that Prelude was more Trek than the new movies, but he felt the need to use similar shots to the new movies and same ships minus the Ares (a ship of war, not an explorer) and the Constitution; yet it had nothing that would have jumped out and said THIS IS STAR TREK. Have I heard a lot of Axanar detractors? Depends on where you go, when I say a small percentage of fans, prior to specific Trek fan sites, the average Trek fan would care less, they are about official Trek productions. Just like any Trek productions, there is always has been a very vocal, but a small percentage of Trek fanbase who hate everything going from TAS to TNG to DS9 and so on. Yet on this very forum, I have seen fans who loved Beyond, who are looking forward to Discovery, and had hopes for Axanar.
Well **** me sideways with a bottle of Romulan Ale, you've just found LFIM's court-winning argument!!!
C'mon, everything about Prelude screamed 'Star Trek', from the characters, to the ships, to the uniforms... No one would have watched Prelude and thought they were watching Farscape or Star Wars...
While I would agree that the average fan couldn't care less, I'd flip that the other way, and say that they equally couldn't care less if they were to be presented with Axanar as the new release, and the general concensus (not just here, but on other discussion forums/articles etc) certainly seems to be that Prelude captured the Spirit of Trek, and was, to quote Sheldon Cooper, 'a promising endeavour'
Ehhh, its a small corner of the internet that actually looks up and anxiously awaits these types of creations.
Not to say that they aren't fun. But it is far to small a group to really threaten anything like Beyond or a TV series launch.
The Star Trek fan base is to actively divided against itself to unite behind something like that and pose a threat to CBS/Paramount productions.
Prelude was fun to watch. Was it the Savior of Star Trek or is "The Spirit of Star Trek"? Not in the at least bit, it was a pseudo-documentary about a war, a Star Trek war, but war nonetheless. LFIM has stated that Prelude was more Trek than the new movies, but he felt the need to use similar shots to the new movies and same ships minus the Ares (a ship of war, not an explorer) and the Constitution; yet it had nothing that would have jumped out and said THIS IS STAR TREK. Have I heard a lot of Axanar detractors? Depends on where you go, when I say a small percentage of fans, prior to specific Trek fan sites, the average Trek fan would care less, they are about official Trek productions. Just like any Trek productions, there is always has been a very vocal, but a small percentage of Trek fanbase who hate everything going from TAS to TNG to DS9 and so on. Yet on this very forum, I have seen fans who loved Beyond, who are looking forward to Discovery, and had hopes for Axanar.
Well **** me sideways with a bottle of Romulan Ale, you've just found LFIM's court-winning argument!!!
C'mon, everything about Prelude screamed 'Star Trek', from the characters, to the ships, to the uniforms... No one would have watched Prelude and thought they were watching Farscape or Star Wars...
While I would agree that the average fan couldn't care less, I'd flip that the other way, and say that they equally couldn't care less if they were to be presented with Axanar as the new release, and the general concensus (not just here, but on other discussion forums/articles etc) certainly seems to be that Prelude captured the Spirit of Trek, and was, to quote Sheldon Cooper, 'a promising endeavour'
What i meant was that in Trek 09, at least the core elements were in the movie that we all know of what a Trek story entails, Axanar was war.
Prelude was fun to watch. Was it the Savior of Star Trek or is "The Spirit of Star Trek"? Not in the at least bit, it was a pseudo-documentary about a war, a Star Trek war, but war nonetheless. LFIM has stated that Prelude was more Trek than the new movies, but he felt the need to use similar shots to the new movies and same ships minus the Ares (a ship of war, not an explorer) and the Constitution; yet it had nothing that would have jumped out and said THIS IS STAR TREK. Have I heard a lot of Axanar detractors? Depends on where you go, when I say a small percentage of fans, prior to specific Trek fan sites, the average Trek fan would care less, they are about official Trek productions. Just like any Trek productions, there is always has been a very vocal, but a small percentage of Trek fanbase who hate everything going from TAS to TNG to DS9 and so on. Yet on this very forum, I have seen fans who loved Beyond, who are looking forward to Discovery, and had hopes for Axanar.
Well **** me sideways with a bottle of Romulan Ale, you've just found LFIM's court-winning argument!!!
C'mon, everything about Prelude screamed 'Star Trek', from the characters, to the ships, to the uniforms... No one would have watched Prelude and thought they were watching Farscape or Star Wars...
While I would agree that the average fan couldn't care less, I'd flip that the other way, and say that they equally couldn't care less if they were to be presented with Axanar as the new release, and the general concensus (not just here, but on other discussion forums/articles etc) certainly seems to be that Prelude captured the Spirit of Trek, and was, to quote Sheldon Cooper, 'a promising endeavour'
What i meant was that in Trek 09, at least the core elements were in the movie that we all know of what a Trek story entails, Axanar was war.
DS-9 had a war... I agree, Prelude certainly was focussing on the war, but it's not an unreasonable assumption to believe that Axanar would have also focussed on the people fighting the war, which is what Trek's always been about
So, to get this back on track ... what would happen if one of you foundry peeps went and "continued" the Axanar story IN the foundry?
Would Cryptic shut it down?
Would Cryptic show this TO CBS, giving CBS leave to now take the Axanar story for themselves without "buying" it and doing to Peters what Peters tried to do to them?
Would Peters sue the Foundry authors? If he did, would we not then counter-complain that Peters just should have HIRED the Foundry authors since their fandom created product was continuing the story in a way far better than Peters ever could?
Let's get META people! How can STO itself provide a new wrinkle for the Axanar quandry? Can this game, generally speaking, add to this issue?
Fun fact: there is no Axanar story. All Smart Aleck Peters had was Prelude to Axanar and that Vulcan scene. That Prophetsdamned scam artist couldn't even produce a script for his movie when ordered to do so by the judge.
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Prelude is the only thing that we can actually compare to and that is what mostly I hear Pro-Axanar fans refer to as the "true" Trek.
I'm not quite sure how you mean about it being the only thing we can compare it to That it was presented ina documentary-style, I agree, that was pretty unique wait, no it wasn't, there was an episode of Babylon 5 (possibly the last episode, I forget) which also had a NewsCast style... Anyhoo, that aside, the uniforms were reminiscent of those worn in The Cage, and the ships, while JJTrek hulls, had TOS re-skins, so that's certainly comparable. What I'd say with regards True Trek, is that while there was indeed a battle going on, the focus was about the combatants taking part, and the political landscape surrounding them, it wasn't just the thoughtless PewPewLENSFLAREPewPew of 09 or Into Darkness, so I'd guess that's what they were refering to
Prelude is the only thing that we can actually compare to and that is what mostly I hear Pro-Axanar fans refer to as the "true" Trek.
I'm not quite sure how you mean about it being the only thing we can compare it to That it was presented ina documentary-style, I agree, that was pretty unique wait, no it wasn't, there was an episode of Babylon 5 (possibly the last episode, I forget) which also had a NewsCast style... Anyhoo, that aside, the uniforms were reminiscent of those worn in The Cage, and the ships, while JJTrek hulls, had TOS re-skins, so that's certainly comparable. What I'd say with regards True Trek, is that while there was indeed a battle going on, the focus was about the combatants taking part, and the political landscape surrounding them, it wasn't just the thoughtless PewPewLENSFLAREPewPew of 09 or Into Darkness, so I'd guess that's what they were refering to
The B5 ep you're referring to is 'And now for a Word...', Season 2.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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We're missing the larger point here, though. Robin Hood is PUBLIC DOMAIN! Robin Hood could be IN Axanar!
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I am aware of that. But it dosn't diminish my statement. Saying the inspiration for a character is real does not make that character real. Robin Hood is a character with a defined mythos, and that character is fictional.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Your story doesn't tell me when Robin or Roger or Simon actually MET Garth of Izar (played by Peters). So we need to fill that blank in!
You fill it in. I'll sell it off and use the money for myself.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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In Prelude, it looked the way it did because these professionals KNEW what they were doing and were able to make GREAT deals getting both talent and leased studio space at a very good rate (even back then Alec wanted to build his own studio and was thankfully talked out of it BY professionals who explained why it was a bad idea, how it would inflate the budget and you'd see less of the actual money on the screen where it belonged, etc.) Alec pretty much drove every professional (they werte gearing up and wanted to pull the trigger and start shooting Axanar a couple of months after completing Prelude.
But, due to Peters negligence and ego, here we are two plus years later and Peters can't even get the patch perks for any of the later crowdfunding campaigns.
CBS/Paramount aren't suing because Axanar is 'too good'; they're suing because for two plus years Alec Peters has been runiong a 'donor store' selling UNLICENSED Star Trek merchandise; and gotten start up funds for his FOR PROFIT studio; and fdurther has been paying himself and others of his inner circle salaries <--- All from trading on his illegal and unlicensed use of the Star Trek IP.
If CBS/Paramount just let this go; you'd soon see other companies go: "Hey if CBS/Paramount is letting this guys get away with selling unlicensed merchandise; why should we bother with the licensing process?"
And before you say "Well, they should just let Mr. Peters have a license..." - THAT would also be a bad business decision because they (CBS/Paramount) want to have a say in the product that is a production and DO want money iup front (it's how they make a profit from their IP) - and Mr. Peters has already drove seasoned professionals OFF the Project; and it's doubtful he could afford the CBS/Paramount Licensing fee, etc. Plus at this point CBS/Paramount DON'T want to give the impression they'll reward a thief with a license.
Also, if you're wondering what the big difference between Axanar and the other fan productions were: No other fan productions paid Salaries to now-union members (Peter's who was taking a Producer salary is NOT a member of the Hollywood PGA.); and any Perks they gave for Pledges were made in number limited to the amount needed to fulfill a Pledge promise. (IE if they had a tier that said they would give you a Star trek patch and 75 Pledges came in for that tier - ONLY 75 patches were made and distributed -- there was no online store where you could mix and match and order stuff and have it delivered on a ppiece by piece basis - which is what the Axanar Donor store is. In fact stuff ordered directly through the Axanar donor store gets shipped while the items promised as part of their various KS and Indegogo campaigns STILL haven't been shipped to any of those who Pledged in later campaigns.
So yeah, there are in fact GOOD reasons why CBS/Paramount (after two+ years of this and a warning to Mr. Peteers in August of 2015 at a Star Trek Convention meeting) that CBSD/Paramount initiated a lawsuit against Axanar. And NONE of it has to do with: "...because Axanar was 'too good'."
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Maybe Michael Dorn could play Worf as one of Robin Hood's merry men.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
hearts and minds of a small percentage of fans. No, they didn't sue because they didn't want to protect their feelings, but to protect their rights as an IP holder.
It was theft when it went from a non-profit fan project to exploitation for money to fund for-profit projects. In short, Axanar was basically a scam. All we got out of it was the pretty "prelude".
According to people formerly close to LFIM, apparently he did receive word that he needed to shut down before the lawsuit, but he chose to ignore it (which isn't surprising). Again, only a small percentage of the fanbase thought Axanar was going to be better than Beyond.
I agree absolutely that Axanar was a scam. Profit/non-profit is just semantics, because it's clear that Alec Peters only ever intended to fund his own studio from it, so it was always a scam... That doesn't diminish the level of interest for it, and the level of interest, is what I'm talking about...
C'mon, everything about Prelude screamed 'Star Trek', from the characters, to the ships, to the uniforms... No one would have watched Prelude and thought they were watching Farscape or Star Wars...
While I would agree that the average fan couldn't care less, I'd flip that the other way, and say that they equally couldn't care less if they were to be presented with Axanar as the new release, and the general concensus (not just here, but on other discussion forums/articles etc) certainly seems to be that Prelude captured the Spirit of Trek, and was, to quote Sheldon Cooper, 'a promising endeavour'
Ehhh, its a small corner of the internet that actually looks up and anxiously awaits these types of creations.
Not to say that they aren't fun. But it is far to small a group to really threaten anything like Beyond or a TV series launch.
The Star Trek fan base is to actively divided against itself to unite behind something like that and pose a threat to CBS/Paramount productions.
What i meant was that in Trek 09, at least the core elements were in the movie that we all know of what a Trek story entails, Axanar was war.
Fun fact: there is no Axanar story. All Smart Aleck Peters had was Prelude to Axanar and that Vulcan scene. That Prophetsdamned scam artist couldn't even produce a script for his movie when ordered to do so by the judge.
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The B5 ep you're referring to is 'And now for a Word...', Season 2.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood