How would alien species know what Earth symbology would be for a Medical Ship? Even we don't have a unified symbology.
Because we told them? You're not gonna send a hospital ship into the Final Frontier, that's what the Explorer ships like the Galaxy-class are for. As for the local powers all UFP has to say is "this symbol means the ship in question is non-combatant, shooting it is a war crime" and for Starfleet to respect the symbol (aka not use medical ships as combat ships), we know from DS9 that there are rules and customs of war that seem somewhat universally accepted by the "Alpha Quadrant Powers".
How would alien species know what Earth symbology would be for a Medical Ship? Even we don't have a unified symbology.
Because we told them? You're not gonna send a hospital ship into the Final Frontier, that's what the Explorer ships like the Galaxy-class are for. As for the local powers all UFP has to say is "this symbol means the ship in question is non-combatant, shooting it is a war crime" and for Starfleet to respect the symbol (aka not use medical ships as combat ships), we know from DS9 that there are rules and customs of war that seem somewhat universally accepted by the "Alpha Quadrant Powers".
I want a troop transport that can hold an extra 500 doffs.
There is already a canon troop carrier in the game, the wartime role of the Galaxy class is as a self-escorting troop carrier that can carry 6000 fully equipped troops for an assault or evacuate 15,000 in a pinch.
That wartime/peacetime differentiation can be applied to enough other ship classes that it is likely the hospital ships like the
Pasteur have dual roles as well, perhaps as biological sciences ships in peacetime or when not responding to disasters so it makes sense that they would be represented by standard science ships in the game. For that matter phasers are as much a tool as they are a weapon, and even torpedo buses can be fitted with instruments for use as probes.
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To be fair... Borg don't respect ANYTHING. Even negotiated deals. The second your usefulness has ended, they turn around and stab you in the back, trying to assimilate you. Voyager revealed that.
To be fair... Borg don't respect ANYTHING. Even negotiated deals. The second your usefulness has ended, they turn around and stab you in the back, trying to assimilate you. Voyager revealed that.
Indeed, the Collective acts in their own interest.
Concerning the Olympic class, a T6 version is long overdue and a quality upgrade on the digital model is needed.
It's not aged well at all.
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"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
To be fair... Borg don't respect ANYTHING. Even negotiated deals. The second your usefulness has ended, they turn around and stab you in the back, trying to assimilate you. Voyager revealed that.
Indeed, the Collective acts in their own interest.
Concerning the Olympic class, a T6 version is long overdue and a quality upgrade on the digital model is needed.
It's not aged well at all.
You mean the in-game model? Since the Olympic class seen in TNG was a physical model (not much CGI in the mid 1990s) and you're not gonna see much changes to that at most you'll get an in-game model closer to that seen on screen.
IIRC it does have a T6 varient, a temporal vessel yeah?
No. You're thinking the T2 Daedelus, which is a TOS era ship.
People are referring to this ship.
Which the in game version has a slightly different design.
To be fair... Borg don't respect ANYTHING. Even negotiated deals. The second your usefulness has ended, they turn around and stab you in the back, trying to assimilate you. Voyager revealed that.
Indeed, the Collective acts in their own interest.
Concerning the Olympic class, a T6 version is long overdue and a quality upgrade on the digital model is needed.
It's not aged well at all.
You mean the in-game model? Since the Olympic class seen in TNG was a physical model (not much CGI in the mid 1990s) and you're not gonna see much changes to that at most you'll get an in-game model closer to that seen on screen.
I refer to the ship models in STO as digital models as a general term.
The Olympic in STO needs a update, it has not aged well.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
To be fair... Borg don't respect ANYTHING. Even negotiated deals. The second your usefulness has ended, they turn around and stab you in the back, trying to assimilate you. Voyager revealed that.
Indeed, the Collective acts in their own interest.
Concerning the Olympic class, a T6 version is long overdue and a quality upgrade on the digital model is needed.
It's not aged well at all.
You mean the in-game model? Since the Olympic class seen in TNG was a physical model (not much CGI in the mid 1990s) and you're not gonna see much changes to that at most you'll get an in-game model closer to that seen on screen.
I refer to the ship models in STO as digital models as a general term.
The Olympic in STO needs a update, it has not aged well.
True enough, just wanted be sure you meant the in-game models and didn't think the one from TNG was a CGI model (TNG did use CGI just not for ships IIRC).
But then there's a boat load of early STO models in deperate need of updating.
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
To be fair... Borg don't respect ANYTHING. Even negotiated deals. The second your usefulness has ended, they turn around and stab you in the back, trying to assimilate you. Voyager revealed that.
Once again it's time for me to ramble about how the Borg race design got rewritten and twisted into something completely different, BUT: The fact that someone did negotiate with Borg is nonsensical to begin with: Original Borg had no agenda, they were like a force of nature. It'd be like trying to negotiate with an avalanche. What made them scary, in my opinion, was that the Borg didn't have a "reason" in our understanding behind it. Later they just made them default villians with default villian-y traits like being treacherous, power hungry and what not.
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wouldn't that be a kitchen ship (the scientist's name was spelled Curie), besides if it didn't appear on-screen it's highly unlikely it'll ever appear in STO (now ships that did appear on-screen but were only detailed in other sources can appear but ones that are stricly EU are highly unlikely and fan designs are utterly impossible)
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wouldn't that be a kitchen ship (the scientist's name was spelled Curie), besides if it didn't appear on-screen it's highly unlikely it'll ever appear in STO (now ships that did appear on-screen but were only detailed in other sources can appear but ones that are stricly EU are highly unlikely and fan designs are utterly impossible)
This particular Curry-class was named after Dan Curry, the visual effects supervisor on DS9. It was briefly seen in the episode "A Time to Stand." Although, it was more visible then the Cheyenne-Class or New Orleans-Class ships that are in-game and seen the TNG episode "The Best of Both Worlds II."
The video link in my post goes over the history of the class.
The Pasteur was (excluding Discovery) the only ship in canon that was ever identified with a medical role, though. Not *quite* explicitly so - I don't think it was ever stated that it was a hospital ship - but it *did* have a captain with an M.D.
It also have Caduceus decals instead of the starfleet Delta ones and as stated before Caduceus is often mistaken for a symbol of medicine.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
yeah, funnily enough, the starfleet medical emblem makes the exact same mistake most other media sources using a caduceus or any variant of it makes - namely, the caduceus is NOT a symbol of medicine or healing - the proper symbol is supposed to be the rod of asclepius
hehe You right, Starfleet medical corps use winged symbol of Hermes, god of merchants. They are probably run by private individuals who collect money for transport to the hospital, as in our time.
I never mentioned red crosses, I wrote "red medical insignia". and as for function, the ship designers tend to be quite clever. Im certain a mechanic of some sort would apply to these ships that would work fine. Just give me a big white rectangular shaped ship (like the Jem'Hadar carrier) with red marking and a cool medical themed console or innate ship ability like aggressive ship buffs or large enemy disabling/pacification. I'm sure the staff will think of something
Shuttles do(nearly) nothing, excluding the occasional mission like the Vault. I'm sure there could be a mission that is Phage involved, or Hobus incident evacuation re-enactment("The ship that tried"), Borg rescue, save from Iconian attack, or something like it that could have a preq. of Hope, Pasteur, or Hospital ship.
Adm. Necheyev didn't own ANY Starfleet ships. Starfleet did. Also she didn't make one bolt, connect a single wire, gelpack or device, or otherwise helped on making them. I find it presumptuous she claimed it was HER ships. In fact saying as much would probably warranty a reprimand from any of her superiors in Federation and possibly not participating in said actions as other superior personnel do, would in our days(2409 onwards) result in herself facing the same fate as what she has threatened, in that same penal colony.
Of course, a Mirror Terran Hospital Ship would be able to fit many more 'patients' as Agony Booths are vertical and not horizontal like hospital beds.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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Didn't help the Pasteur.
Klingons don’t take prisoners
There is already a canon troop carrier in the game, the wartime role of the Galaxy class is as a self-escorting troop carrier that can carry 6000 fully equipped troops for an assault or evacuate 15,000 in a pinch.
That wartime/peacetime differentiation can be applied to enough other ship classes that it is likely the hospital ships like the
Pasteur have dual roles as well, perhaps as biological sciences ships in peacetime or when not responding to disasters so it makes sense that they would be represented by standard science ships in the game. For that matter phasers are as much a tool as they are a weapon, and even torpedo buses can be fitted with instruments for use as probes.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
To be fair... Borg don't respect ANYTHING. Even negotiated deals. The second your usefulness has ended, they turn around and stab you in the back, trying to assimilate you. Voyager revealed that.
Indeed, the Collective acts in their own interest.
Concerning the Olympic class, a T6 version is long overdue and a quality upgrade on the digital model is needed.
It's not aged well at all.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
You mean the in-game model? Since the Olympic class seen in TNG was a physical model (not much CGI in the mid 1990s) and you're not gonna see much changes to that at most you'll get an in-game model closer to that seen on screen.
I refer to the ship models in STO as digital models as a general term.
The Olympic in STO needs a update, it has not aged well.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
True enough, just wanted be sure you meant the in-game models and didn't think the one from TNG was a CGI model (TNG did use CGI just not for ships IIRC).
But then there's a boat load of early STO models in deperate need of updating.
Luna being one of them.
I bet Cryptic could make a pretty sweet update to the design as well...
Red Cross and Red Crescent are no go due being copyrighted (to the International Red Cross).
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Once again it's time for me to ramble about how the Borg race design got rewritten and twisted into something completely different, BUT: The fact that someone did negotiate with Borg is nonsensical to begin with: Original Borg had no agenda, they were like a force of nature. It'd be like trying to negotiate with an avalanche. What made them scary, in my opinion, was that the Borg didn't have a "reason" in our understanding behind it. Later they just made them default villians with default villian-y traits like being treacherous, power hungry and what not.
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https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Curry_type
This particular Curry-class was named after Dan Curry, the visual effects supervisor on DS9. It was briefly seen in the episode "A Time to Stand." Although, it was more visible then the Cheyenne-Class or New Orleans-Class ships that are in-game and seen the TNG episode "The Best of Both Worlds II."
The video link in my post goes over the history of the class.
It also have Caduceus decals instead of the starfleet Delta ones and as stated before Caduceus is often mistaken for a symbol of medicine.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
hehe You right, Starfleet medical corps use winged symbol of Hermes, god of merchants. They are probably run by private individuals who collect money for transport to the hospital, as in our time.
Shuttles do(nearly) nothing, excluding the occasional mission like the Vault. I'm sure there could be a mission that is Phage involved, or Hobus incident evacuation re-enactment("The ship that tried"), Borg rescue, save from Iconian attack, or something like it that could have a preq. of Hope, Pasteur, or Hospital ship.
You beat me to it. I just ran across this one, and this one is actually a possibility since
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Hiawatha
Also a better image I ran across as well.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'