The Type 17 Argo Heavy Shuttle. If it's added to the game it would be first Shuttle to be in an R&D Promotion Pack.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Put me down for "Other" as my suggestions are:
1. Add new male Hair. Federation Male Characters should have the option for "Short Swoop" found in the Romulan faction. Heck, Ansem Mount's Christopher Pike, Harry Treadaway's Narek, Elnor, and Lorca's hair should be avaliable. Hell even add them for KDF and Romulan. Male characters are badly needing non-elderly hair styles. It makes sense to have these hair styles since they start out as Cadets in the story.
2. More cape options. KDF's long cape looks great but its only on the Honor Guard. Competitive capes should have a longer version and the Federation Competitive double shoulder should have a cape option as well. Romulans need smaller Shoulder options on the competitive dual shoulders.
3. Remove the two dark rings around the neck on the characters when they have their necks exposed.
4. More helmet/hat options as well! Fedoras, barrette, and even the Kelvin Timeline Officer Peaked hats.
5. For Cochrain's anniversary weapons Worf's purple Bazooka from Star Trek Insurrection. Also a pistol like 1911.
Could be worse, I could be asking for that sweet buggy ride from the Star Trek Nemesis movie.
The Argo Buggy? I suggested it about a year ago, with some race ideas to use them in.
Maybe it's just that picture, but those look so stiff & uncomfortable. The yellow one looks like vinyl car seat upholstery.
Yea but we don't actually wear them so it doesn't matter how uncomfortable they are as long as they look good.
Those uniforms I would like to see as well, one of the very few good designs in TRIBBLE.
The TRIBBLE ones don’t really work in blue and red, the combadge pattern can’t be colour matched good enough.
If only there were pictures so I could choose properly... oh well... bomber jacket sounds cool!
I posted what I believe is a picture of the bomber jacket back on page 1. I think Scotty was also seen wearing that same jacket in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, when he was talking to that guy about Transparent Aluminum.
Throughout Starfleet's history? Many. And it has been shown to use multiple uniforms in service at a time before. Main examples being the transition between TNG s1 and TNG s3, and the transition as shown in the early seasons of DS9 when we had the TNG style for starships and the DS9/Voyager style on stations. Also best seen in the movie Star Trek Generations, when crew members of the Enterprise started trading TNG for DS9 uniforms over the course of the movie.
A more recent example would be Discovery, where the Enterprise crew has the more TOS style colors, indicating that at least the Connies have a newer uniform, while the rest of Starfleet is using the normal Discovery style.
I'd like to get the original uniforms from The Cage/Where No Man Has Gone Before TOS pilot episodes. The variations can be put into a bundle (TOS Pilot Uniform Bundle).
Using the Wrath of Khan turtle necks sort of come close, but ribbing for the collar needs to be narrower, and we need rank stripes near the ends of the sleeves. Uniforms for women have folded down collars in a v-trim. The Excursion jackets are like the TMP jackets that Kirk and company wore to visit V'GER (it would be with two versions, open and closed like the Wrath of Khan officer jackets).
Both the first and second clips show the original crew overalls (blue for the chief medical officer, tan for the transporter crewman; with the United Earth symbol).
Third clip shows either a dress uniform or an admiral's uniform. And there's some robe options for Orions.
The last video has better rank stripes (when the costumes received an upgrade), to better distinguish ranks of the crew.
----
Anyways, I think the next uniform is going to be from the time that Picard retired, but then again it could be the Disco-Constitution uniforms.
I'd like to get the original uniforms from The Cage/Where No Man Has Gone Before TOS pilot episodes. The variations can be put into a bundle (TOS Pilot Uniform Bundle).
Using the Wrath of Khan turtle necks sort of come close, but ribbing for the collar needs to be narrower, and we need rank stripes near the ends of the sleeves. Uniforms for women have folded down collars in a v-trim. The Excursion jackets are like the TMP jackets that Kirk and company wore to visit V'GER (it would be with two versions, open and closed like the Wrath of Khan officer jackets).
Both the first and second clips show the original crew overalls (blue for the chief medical officer, tan for the transporter crewman; with the United Earth symbol).
Third clip shows either a dress uniform or an admiral's uniform. And there's some robe options for Orions.
The last video has better rank stripes (when the costumes received an upgrade), to better distinguish ranks of the crew.
----
Anyways, I think the next uniform is going to be from the time that Picard retired, but then again it could be the Disco-Constitution uniforms.
We'll likely get those along about the same time they add Lucille Ball to the memorials. Because without Desilu Studios, the ones Lucille owned, there would have never been a pilot of Star Trek, much less two.
I'd like to get the original uniforms from The Cage/Where No Man Has Gone Before TOS pilot episodes. The variations can be put into a bundle (TOS Pilot Uniform Bundle).
Using the Wrath of Khan turtle necks sort of come close, but ribbing for the collar needs to be narrower, and we need rank stripes near the ends of the sleeves. Uniforms for women have folded down collars in a v-trim. The Excursion jackets are like the TMP jackets that Kirk and company wore to visit V'GER (it would be with two versions, open and closed like the Wrath of Khan officer jackets).
Both the first and second clips show the original crew overalls (blue for the chief medical officer, tan for the transporter crewman; with the United Earth symbol).
Third clip shows either a dress uniform or an admiral's uniform. And there's some robe options for Orions.
The last video has better rank stripes (when the costumes received an upgrade), to better distinguish ranks of the crew.
----
Anyways, I think the next uniform is going to be from the time that Picard retired, but then again it could be the Disco-Constitution uniforms.
I pretty much dislike the Romulan Outfits, especially the TNG Era ones. I generally go with the regular Mercenary Outfit..
Now that a couple of my Characters have the Enterprise MACO Outfit, I'm all set.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I'd like to see Cowboy Hats, myself. Along with more helmet options. I'd also like to see a belt to go with the TOS uniform. I know they didn't wear them, or they didn't show, but I'd still like one.
You have to post a video, or have your jpegs hosted at a URL somewhere, otherwise your effort in trying to display them is futile.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I would like to see the Romulan uniforms from Nemesis along with variants of the Rom-Fed and Rom/KDF with normal shoulders (the ones they have now all look like the character wearing them forgot to take it off the coat hanger before putting it on).
For Federation TOS characters it would be great if they could do something to get a velvet shimmer, but that may be beyond the capability of the engine.
> @angrytarg said:
> > @claudiusdk said:
> > (Image)
> >
> > Romulan uniforms from Nemesis, aswell as the guard uniform in the background.
>
> That's too roman. Romulans are Samurai now
There was always a bit of an far east element to the romulan, with them being stand ins for communist China. Also in tng thru to Voyager we saw pretty much only romuland from the capital or those from the military.
The Romulans were always supposed to be "space Romans", the Red China thing was started by someone in the 1980s who did not do their research properly trying to bring them into the cold war allegory where they do not belong (the cold war allegory only pertained to the Federation vs Klingon thing, with the Klingons taking the place of the USSR).
The Romulans were an allegory to the Roman empire just after their fall from a republic, and contrasted the honorable old guard (Mark Lenard's commander and the Centurian) with the corrupt new imperial type (represented by Decius). By the time of TNG they had completed the transition which is why they were backstabbing snakes for the most part.
no, someone did their research very well, because roddenberry originally wanted them as a 60s chicom allegory - but he liked schneider's space roman concept enough that that's what they ultimately went with
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I know this isn't a request for a new uniform, but I want the ability to equip Jem'Hadar officers with outfits. All of my crew are wearing the Wrath of Khan uniforms but my Jem'Hadar guy.
no, someone did their research very well, because roddenberry originally wanted them as a 60s chicom allegory - but he liked schneider's space roman concept enough that that's what they ultimately went with
Roddenberry actually had no direct hand in the creation of the Romulans, they were Paul Schneider's invention to replace the German Uboat crew, and Schneider specifically modeled them after Romans.
That weird way-after-the-fact assertion that they were supposed to be an allegory to the Red Chinese was almost entirely based on the theory that the Neutral Zone represented the "bamboo curtain" and to try and tie it all up in one neat little package. Nothing else about the Romulans has any resemblance to the Red Chinese.
The fact is, the Romulan backstory was the parallel between the rise of the Third Reich (remember, the original antagonists in "The Enemy Below" were WWII Germans), which was done by political maneuvering, not armed action like Red Chinese revolution, mirroring the Roman Republic's corruption and transformation into an empire though political means.
Another parallel is that the movie made it clear enough that the Uboat commander was not particularly happy with the state of his country's government but he would do his duty and honor his commitment to the country anyway, exactly the same way that Mark Lenard's character and the old centurion did.
Anyway, since this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread I will leave it at that.
Gene Roddenberry, interested in ancient Rome himself, approved of the initial depiction of the Romulan species. "He loved Paul's having endowed the enemy-Romulans with the militaristic character of the ancient Romans," wrote John D.F. Black and Mary Black. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 11, p. 19) Roddenberry's original concept of the Romulans, however, was that they represented 1960s' Chinese Communists. (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., p. xx)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Gene Roddenberry, interested in ancient Rome himself, approved of the initial depiction of the Romulan species. "He loved Paul's having endowed the enemy-Romulans with the militaristic character of the ancient Romans," wrote John D.F. Black and Mary Black. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 11, p. 19) Roddenberry's original concept of the Romulans, however, was that they represented 1960s' Chinese Communists. (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., p. xx)
But the source of the quote is from "Star Trek Nemesis." Wading through the whole Memory Alpha file. You do not get a single other reference to Communist china until John Logan is talking about his vision for the Romans during the production of Nemesis:
""
One of the first concepts in the writing of Star Trek Nemesis was to centrally feature the Romulans. A primary advocate for this choice of villain was writer John Logan – a big fan of the species and "the lethal machinations" characteristic of the group. "For a writer, the malicious subtlety of the Romulans," remarked Logan, "offers great opportunities; the cleverness and formality of their language must suggest that they are simultaneously a deadly political foe and a noble, ancient race. Besides, I had just finished working on Gladiator and was in a classical frame of mind. The serpentine rhythms of the language we created for the Roman Empire in that movie were good practice for writing the august and treacherous Romulans." (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., pp. xvii-xviii) Logan also enthused, "I was delighted with the chance to get to play with the Romulans, and I don't think they've quite been explored enough [....] For me the Communist Chinese is a really interesting world that was never fully explored, certainly in the movies, and not even as much as I would have liked in the series, except for individual episodes. I've always found that sort of Byzantine structure of Chinese Communism very interesting and very provocative, and lethal in a way I never found the Klingons. There is so much duplicity and mendacity and cleverness in the way the Romulans move through their world with very strategic chess moves. And also they are an old and ancient race, like the Vulcans, so they have gravitas to them, which I find very interesting." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 2, pp. 11-12)
""
So I would tend to agree with Phoenix that it is likely a later interpretation...of course the Vulcan/Orientalist motif was also present...and many Star Trek themes are reactions to the cold war.
Gene Roddenberry, interested in ancient Rome himself, approved of the initial depiction of the Romulan species. "He loved Paul's having endowed the enemy-Romulans with the militaristic character of the ancient Romans," wrote John D.F. Black and Mary Black. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 11, p. 19) Roddenberry's original concept of the Romulans, however, was that they represented 1960s' Chinese Communists. (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., p. xx)
But the source of the quote is from "Star Trek Nemesis." Wading through the whole Memory Alpha file. You do not get a single other reference to Communist china until John Logan is talking about his vision for the Romans during the production of Nemesis:
""
One of the first concepts in the writing of Star Trek Nemesis was to centrally feature the Romulans. A primary advocate for this choice of villain was writer John Logan – a big fan of the species and "the lethal machinations" characteristic of the group. "For a writer, the malicious subtlety of the Romulans," remarked Logan, "offers great opportunities; the cleverness and formality of their language must suggest that they are simultaneously a deadly political foe and a noble, ancient race. Besides, I had just finished working on Gladiator and was in a classical frame of mind. The serpentine rhythms of the language we created for the Roman Empire in that movie were good practice for writing the august and treacherous Romulans." (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., pp. xvii-xviii) Logan also enthused, "I was delighted with the chance to get to play with the Romulans, and I don't think they've quite been explored enough [....] For me the Communist Chinese is a really interesting world that was never fully explored, certainly in the movies, and not even as much as I would have liked in the series, except for individual episodes. I've always found that sort of Byzantine structure of Chinese Communism very interesting and very provocative, and lethal in a way I never found the Klingons. There is so much duplicity and mendacity and cleverness in the way the Romulans move through their world with very strategic chess moves. And also they are an old and ancient race, like the Vulcans, so they have gravitas to them, which I find very interesting." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 2, pp. 11-12)
""
So I would tend to agree with Phoenix that it is likely a later interpretation...of course the Vulcan/Orientalist motif was also present...and many Star Trek themes are reactions to the cold war.
Now I'm thinking of "Stone Knives and Bears Skins."
Any chance we can wear Bear Skins and weld Stone Knives or one at least one of those spears from Mission: Search and Rescue.
Sig? What sig? I don't see any sig.
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Ah... a Security Redshirt living up to his role in the TOS era. A danger magnet.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I'll take the Romulan Nemesis uniforms.
The Argo Buggy? I suggested it about a year ago, with some race ideas to use them in.
So..
...sign me up for that one.
aut vincere aut mori pro imperio
either to conquer or to die for the Empire
Yea but we don't actually wear them so it doesn't matter how uncomfortable they are as long as they look good.
Those uniforms I would like to see as well, one of the very few good designs in TRIBBLE.
The TRIBBLE ones don’t really work in blue and red, the combadge pattern can’t be colour matched good enough.
I posted what I believe is a picture of the bomber jacket back on page 1. I think Scotty was also seen wearing that same jacket in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, when he was talking to that guy about Transparent Aluminum.
Throughout Starfleet's history? Many. And it has been shown to use multiple uniforms in service at a time before. Main examples being the transition between TNG s1 and TNG s3, and the transition as shown in the early seasons of DS9 when we had the TNG style for starships and the DS9/Voyager style on stations. Also best seen in the movie Star Trek Generations, when crew members of the Enterprise started trading TNG for DS9 uniforms over the course of the movie.
A more recent example would be Discovery, where the Enterprise crew has the more TOS style colors, indicating that at least the Connies have a newer uniform, while the rest of Starfleet is using the normal Discovery style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-MJKLveNXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfbFq9ZWnGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apuye0JcWqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT4fm0f2lZY
Using the Wrath of Khan turtle necks sort of come close, but ribbing for the collar needs to be narrower, and we need rank stripes near the ends of the sleeves. Uniforms for women have folded down collars in a v-trim. The Excursion jackets are like the TMP jackets that Kirk and company wore to visit V'GER (it would be with two versions, open and closed like the Wrath of Khan officer jackets).
Both the first and second clips show the original crew overalls (blue for the chief medical officer, tan for the transporter crewman; with the United Earth symbol).
Third clip shows either a dress uniform or an admiral's uniform. And there's some robe options for Orions.
The last video has better rank stripes (when the costumes received an upgrade), to better distinguish ranks of the crew.
----
Anyways, I think the next uniform is going to be from the time that Picard retired, but then again it could be the Disco-Constitution uniforms.
More Romulan options
Khans longcoat from Into Darkness
We'll likely get those along about the same time they add Lucille Ball to the memorials. Because without Desilu Studios, the ones Lucille owned, there would have never been a pilot of Star Trek, much less two.
Beat me to it.
OMG yes.
Now that a couple of my Characters have the Enterprise MACO Outfit, I'm all set.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Is Dr. Polaski's medical uniform variant in the game?
Or Crusher's lab coat:
Or what about the TNG dress uniforms?
There is also the Star Trek Generations Prototype:
Can't find them. Missing or Lobi?
Second Choice, Mirror Broken uniforms followed by St Beyond starfleet uniforms
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
For Federation TOS characters it would be great if they could do something to get a velvet shimmer, but that may be beyond the capability of the engine.
The Romulans were always supposed to be "space Romans", the Red China thing was started by someone in the 1980s who did not do their research properly trying to bring them into the cold war allegory where they do not belong (the cold war allegory only pertained to the Federation vs Klingon thing, with the Klingons taking the place of the USSR).
The Romulans were an allegory to the Roman empire just after their fall from a republic, and contrasted the honorable old guard (Mark Lenard's commander and the Centurian) with the corrupt new imperial type (represented by Decius). By the time of TNG they had completed the transition which is why they were backstabbing snakes for the most part.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Roddenberry actually had no direct hand in the creation of the Romulans, they were Paul Schneider's invention to replace the German Uboat crew, and Schneider specifically modeled them after Romans.
That weird way-after-the-fact assertion that they were supposed to be an allegory to the Red Chinese was almost entirely based on the theory that the Neutral Zone represented the "bamboo curtain" and to try and tie it all up in one neat little package. Nothing else about the Romulans has any resemblance to the Red Chinese.
The fact is, the Romulan backstory was the parallel between the rise of the Third Reich (remember, the original antagonists in "The Enemy Below" were WWII Germans), which was done by political maneuvering, not armed action like Red Chinese revolution, mirroring the Roman Republic's corruption and transformation into an empire though political means.
Another parallel is that the movie made it clear enough that the Uboat commander was not particularly happy with the state of his country's government but he would do his duty and honor his commitment to the country anyway, exactly the same way that Mark Lenard's character and the old centurion did.
Anyway, since this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread I will leave it at that.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
But the source of the quote is from "Star Trek Nemesis." Wading through the whole Memory Alpha file. You do not get a single other reference to Communist china until John Logan is talking about his vision for the Romans during the production of Nemesis:
""
One of the first concepts in the writing of Star Trek Nemesis was to centrally feature the Romulans. A primary advocate for this choice of villain was writer John Logan – a big fan of the species and "the lethal machinations" characteristic of the group. "For a writer, the malicious subtlety of the Romulans," remarked Logan, "offers great opportunities; the cleverness and formality of their language must suggest that they are simultaneously a deadly political foe and a noble, ancient race. Besides, I had just finished working on Gladiator and was in a classical frame of mind. The serpentine rhythms of the language we created for the Roman Empire in that movie were good practice for writing the august and treacherous Romulans." (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., pp. xvii-xviii) Logan also enthused, "I was delighted with the chance to get to play with the Romulans, and I don't think they've quite been explored enough [....] For me the Communist Chinese is a really interesting world that was never fully explored, certainly in the movies, and not even as much as I would have liked in the series, except for individual episodes. I've always found that sort of Byzantine structure of Chinese Communism very interesting and very provocative, and lethal in a way I never found the Klingons. There is so much duplicity and mendacity and cleverness in the way the Romulans move through their world with very strategic chess moves. And also they are an old and ancient race, like the Vulcans, so they have gravitas to them, which I find very interesting." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 2, pp. 11-12)
""
So I would tend to agree with Phoenix that it is likely a later interpretation...of course the Vulcan/Orientalist motif was also present...and many Star Trek themes are reactions to the cold war.
Now I'm thinking of "Stone Knives and Bears Skins."
Any chance we can wear Bear Skins and weld Stone Knives or one at least one of those spears from Mission: Search and Rescue.