Gene Roddenberry, interested in ancient Rome himself, approved of the initial depiction of the Romulan species. "He loved Paul's having endowed the enemy-Romulans with the militaristic character of the ancient Romans," wrote John D.F. Black and Mary Black. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 11, p. 19) Roddenberry's original concept of the Romulans, however, was that they represented 1960s' Chinese Communists. (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., p. xx)
But the source of the quote is from "Star Trek Nemesis." Wading through the whole Memory Alpha file. You do not get a single other reference to Communist china until John Logan is talking about his vision for the Romans during the production of Nemesis:
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One of the first concepts in the writing of Star Trek Nemesis was to centrally feature the Romulans. A primary advocate for this choice of villain was writer John Logan – a big fan of the species and "the lethal machinations" characteristic of the group. "For a writer, the malicious subtlety of the Romulans," remarked Logan, "offers great opportunities; the cleverness and formality of their language must suggest that they are simultaneously a deadly political foe and a noble, ancient race. Besides, I had just finished working on Gladiator and was in a classical frame of mind. The serpentine rhythms of the language we created for the Roman Empire in that movie were good practice for writing the august and treacherous Romulans." (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., pp. xvii-xviii) Logan also enthused, "I was delighted with the chance to get to play with the Romulans, and I don't think they've quite been explored enough [....] For me the Communist Chinese is a really interesting world that was never fully explored, certainly in the movies, and not even as much as I would have liked in the series, except for individual episodes. I've always found that sort of Byzantine structure of Chinese Communism very interesting and very provocative, and lethal in a way I never found the Klingons. There is so much duplicity and mendacity and cleverness in the way the Romulans move through their world with very strategic chess moves. And also they are an old and ancient race, like the Vulcans, so they have gravitas to them, which I find very interesting." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 2, pp. 11-12)
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So I would tend to agree with Phoenix that it is likely a later interpretation...of course the Vulcan/Orientalist motif was also present...and many Star Trek themes are reactions to the cold war.
Gene Roddenberry, interested in ancient Rome himself, approved of the initial depiction of the Romulan species. "He loved Paul's having endowed the enemy-Romulans with the militaristic character of the ancient Romans," wrote John D.F. Black and Mary Black. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 11, p. 19) Roddenberry's original concept of the Romulans, however, was that they represented 1960s' Chinese Communists. (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., p. xx)
But the source of the quote is from "Star Trek Nemesis." Wading through the whole Memory Alpha file. You do not get a single other reference to Communist china until John Logan is talking about his vision for the Romans during the production of Nemesis:
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One of the first concepts in the writing of Star Trek Nemesis was to centrally feature the Romulans. A primary advocate for this choice of villain was writer John Logan – a big fan of the species and "the lethal machinations" characteristic of the group. "For a writer, the malicious subtlety of the Romulans," remarked Logan, "offers great opportunities; the cleverness and formality of their language must suggest that they are simultaneously a deadly political foe and a noble, ancient race. Besides, I had just finished working on Gladiator and was in a classical frame of mind. The serpentine rhythms of the language we created for the Roman Empire in that movie were good practice for writing the august and treacherous Romulans." (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., pp. xvii-xviii) Logan also enthused, "I was delighted with the chance to get to play with the Romulans, and I don't think they've quite been explored enough [....] For me the Communist Chinese is a really interesting world that was never fully explored, certainly in the movies, and not even as much as I would have liked in the series, except for individual episodes. I've always found that sort of Byzantine structure of Chinese Communism very interesting and very provocative, and lethal in a way I never found the Klingons. There is so much duplicity and mendacity and cleverness in the way the Romulans move through their world with very strategic chess moves. And also they are an old and ancient race, like the Vulcans, so they have gravitas to them, which I find very interesting." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 2, pp. 11-12)
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So I would tend to agree with Phoenix that it is likely a later interpretation...of course the Vulcan/Orientalist motif was also present...and many Star Trek themes are reactions to the cold war.
Now I'm thinking of "Stone Knives and Bears Skins."
Any chance we can wear Bear Skins and weld Stone Knives or one at least one of those spears from Mission: Search and Rescue.
Sig? What sig? I don't see any sig.
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Ah... a Security Redshirt living up to his role in the TOS era. A danger magnet.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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How about the Starfleet Wrath of Khan style uniforms worn by the original cast in (almost) all of their movies???? Are you thinking "We already have those!!" Well, not if you play on XBOX. That's right for some reason the devs decided that one of the most popular and most iconic uniforms in all of Star Trek would be available to PC players AND PlayStation players but not allowed on XBOX ever. I would love for someone to give me any sane reason why 2/3 of the platforms are allowed to use this uniform but XBOX is permanently blocked from ever having them even though they already exist on NPCs and for players on the other platforms???
Honestly you don't really want them, not as they are right now. You rarely see anyone using them on PC. IMO it is because they look really dated, washed out, blurry, undefined.
You are visually better off using the Odyssey Dress uniform and colour it in that Maroon style.
The older costumes could really use a visual update.
New costumes like the Borg Exoskeleton or recently 2399 Uniform really do make the old ones look terrible by comparison.
I mostly use the Odyssey, looks very Starfleety and the visual quality is good.
Would wish they updated the TWOK, TNG, DS9 and Voyager options though…
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The TNG uniform DOES need a quality pass, as the TNG season 1 uniform looks better.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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The TNG uniform DOES need a quality pass, as the TNG season 1 uniform looks better.
always felt that way, even on screen
The cast didn't agree with you with the season 1 TNG uniform being a literal pain (as in it caused Patrick Steward so bad back pains that his chiropractor threatend to sue CBS if the uniforms didn't get changed).
Would like to see Enterprise era uniforms of the Andorians, Tellerites, Aenar, Klingon, Romulan, Vulcan and the dancing outfits of the three Orion women in "Bound".
More hairstyles for Caitians/Ferasans. (How many Caitian players wanted to look like or base their character on M'ress?)
Tails for the Alien visuals (I wouldn't mind if they were an unlock for buying the Caitian/Ferasan races).
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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The TNG uniform DOES need a quality pass, as the TNG season 1 uniform looks better.
always felt that way, even on screen
The cast didn't agree with you with the season 1 TNG uniform being a literal pain (as in it caused Patrick Steward so bad back pains that his chiropractor threatend to sue CBS if the uniforms didn't get changed).
Bailey is a hipster and likes everything better if it's older, even if it's objectively wrong
The S1 uniform-jumper was however, in my opinion, nice as (background)crew attire. The sailor-look it had going would have looked good with sleeve/cuff rank stripes. Senior officers looked much, much better in the later two-piece uniforms, though. Picard's S5 jacket variant was somewhat weird, but the undershirt looked good.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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There is now a proper Vulcan Insignia Badge, which looks identical to that worn by Vulcan security on Pahvo episode. It makes sense the top that comes with it to be unlocked for use, since it is also canon from ENT(a Belt wouldn't hurt either). I found the pics in Memory Alpha Vulcan Uniform article.
Adm. Necheyev didn't own ANY Starfleet ships. Starfleet did. Also she didn't make one bolt, connect a single wire, gelpack or device, or otherwise helped on making them. I find it presumptuous she claimed it was HER ships. In fact saying as much would probably warranty a reprimand from any of her superiors in Federation and possibly not participating in said actions as other superior personnel do, would in our days(2409 onwards) result in herself facing the same fate as what she has threatened, in that same penal colony.
I will not answer until wich is changed to which. Which is a pronoun. A determiner asking for information specifying one or more people or things from a definite set. "Which are the best varieties of grapes for long keeping?" Not wich...please use a spell checker. Thank you.
And the OP is allowed to edit the Thread's Subject Title too.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Of that list definitely the 2380s uniform and admiral variant. It's so nice. Better than the 2390s uniform but the 90s uniform has the agt/endgame homaging combadge so it has massive appeal too.
I still want the future imperfect/parallels combadge.
also of note...
ones like this: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/6005843 i have not seen ever, however, i know several are only available from the lobi store. as there is one for sure i want from there, but right off hand cant recall it. so maybe the one i referenced is there too?
i know there are more available, just not all in the zen store. which is sad.
The Odyssey dress uniform is a fleetholding unlock: Starbase tailor.
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But the source of the quote is from "Star Trek Nemesis." Wading through the whole Memory Alpha file. You do not get a single other reference to Communist china until John Logan is talking about his vision for the Romans during the production of Nemesis:
""
One of the first concepts in the writing of Star Trek Nemesis was to centrally feature the Romulans. A primary advocate for this choice of villain was writer John Logan – a big fan of the species and "the lethal machinations" characteristic of the group. "For a writer, the malicious subtlety of the Romulans," remarked Logan, "offers great opportunities; the cleverness and formality of their language must suggest that they are simultaneously a deadly political foe and a noble, ancient race. Besides, I had just finished working on Gladiator and was in a classical frame of mind. The serpentine rhythms of the language we created for the Roman Empire in that movie were good practice for writing the august and treacherous Romulans." (Star Trek Nemesis hardback ed., pp. xvii-xviii) Logan also enthused, "I was delighted with the chance to get to play with the Romulans, and I don't think they've quite been explored enough [....] For me the Communist Chinese is a really interesting world that was never fully explored, certainly in the movies, and not even as much as I would have liked in the series, except for individual episodes. I've always found that sort of Byzantine structure of Chinese Communism very interesting and very provocative, and lethal in a way I never found the Klingons. There is so much duplicity and mendacity and cleverness in the way the Romulans move through their world with very strategic chess moves. And also they are an old and ancient race, like the Vulcans, so they have gravitas to them, which I find very interesting." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 2, pp. 11-12)
""
So I would tend to agree with Phoenix that it is likely a later interpretation...of course the Vulcan/Orientalist motif was also present...and many Star Trek themes are reactions to the cold war.
Now I'm thinking of "Stone Knives and Bears Skins."
Any chance we can wear Bear Skins and weld Stone Knives or one at least one of those spears from Mission: Search and Rescue.
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You are visually better off using the Odyssey Dress uniform and colour it in that Maroon style.
The older costumes could really use a visual update.
New costumes like the Borg Exoskeleton or recently 2399 Uniform really do make the old ones look terrible by comparison.
I mostly use the Odyssey, looks very Starfleety and the visual quality is good.
Would wish they updated the TWOK, TNG, DS9 and Voyager options though…
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always felt that way, even on screen
The cast didn't agree with you with the season 1 TNG uniform being a literal pain (as in it caused Patrick Steward so bad back pains that his chiropractor threatend to sue CBS if the uniforms didn't get changed).
More hairstyles for Caitians/Ferasans. (How many Caitian players wanted to look like or base their character on M'ress?)
Tails for the Alien visuals (I wouldn't mind if they were an unlock for buying the Caitian/Ferasan races).
I prefer the later season uniforms. They looked more comfortable.
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Bailey is a hipster and likes everything better if it's older, even if it's objectively wrong
The S1 uniform-jumper was however, in my opinion, nice as (background)crew attire. The sailor-look it had going would have looked good with sleeve/cuff rank stripes. Senior officers looked much, much better in the later two-piece uniforms, though. Picard's S5 jacket variant was somewhat weird, but the undershirt looked good.
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I think the inclusion of the Qowat Milat was very cool. Adding more depth to the Romulans as a whole so that its not just the military that we see.
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This should have been added a long time ago!
(Enough with the Starfleet outfits already!
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I still want the future imperfect/parallels combadge.
General Oh's coat would be nice too.
The Odyssey dress uniform is a fleetholding unlock: Starbase tailor.