How does a link to comicbook.com have anything to do with trekmovie.com? I stated facts about trekmovie, I did not mention anything about other sites. Trekmovie did not engage in speculation, they reported the facts they had.
Because they are both news websites that reported on the same story and you made a mention about other sites with "history shows the Klingon leaks reported by the Trek sites." comicbook.com reported the facts that they had. Some news websites choose to update stories with new information they receive while others don't. Either they report the facts that they had or they are not news websites.
Why would anyone be offended by Rey, or Michael Burnham? Yet somehow the pathetic invented an offense just because they are women.
They also don't understand the term 'Mary Sue'. A Mary Sue a self insert character that takes over a plot, not a character they perceive to be without flaws.
According to wikipedia, a Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment. They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, and usually are able through some means to upstage the main protagonist of an established fictional setting, such as by saving the hero.
It doesn't matter if a Mary Sue is a self insert character from the writer of a movie, TV show, or fanfiction. If a character has the traits of a Mary Sue, then they are a Mary Sue.
Neither Rey nor Michael has ever qualified as a Mary Sue.
Never gave an opinion on who was a Mary Sue just that Mary Sue characters aren't limited to fanfiction. They might have some Mary Sue elements, but that could be said for a bunch of characters like Superman and Batman depending on the writer.
At this time, I'm no longer wasting my time watching blind-linked YouTube videos, as thus far every single one given us has been bulltribble. I will note, however, that if it goes further than simply listing the names of the actors, it's bulltribble, because that's all that's been released thus far.
It doesn't matter if a Mary Sue is a self insert character from the writer of a movie, TV show, or fanfiction. If a character has the traits of a Mary Sue, then they are a Mary Sue.
And as they aren't self insert characters then they don't have the defining feature of a Mary Sue. Nor are they without flaws.
Just not liking female characters doesn't mean you can just lazily dismiss them as without flaws because you can't be arsed to watch the film or show to find out.
Constant regurgitation of Youtube videos created solely for ad money dosn't endear your point.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It doesn't matter if a Mary Sue is a self insert character from the writer of a movie, TV show, or fanfiction. If a character has the traits of a Mary Sue, then they are a Mary Sue.
And as they aren't self insert characters then they don't have the defining feature of a Mary Sue. Nor are they without flaws.
Just not liking female characters doesn't mean you can just lazily dismiss them as without flaws because you can't be arsed to watch the film or show to find out.
Constant regurgitation of Youtube videos created solely for ad money dosn't endear your point.
A character doesn't have to be a self insert character or in a fanfiction to be a Mary Sue character. If they can do everything better than everyone else without any effort or training, then they are a Mary Sue. Without any Jedi Training, Rey is able to mind control a guard and defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber battle. So either mind control is an extremely easy Jedi technique to do or Rey is able to learn advanced Jedi techniques without any training.
Luke Skywalker. Hell, his daddy Anakin, who at the age of nine was out-piloting aliens with reflexes far superior to those of humans just because he had the Force.
Rey is far from perfect - what do you think that thing with all the mirror images was about?
As for Burnham, try actually watching the show. She had a lovely speech in the final episode of Season 1 about how wrong she'd been in the pilot, how badly she'd screwed up, and what she'd learned from that (and how Admiral Cornwell should avoid making the exact same screwup except on a much, much higher level).
Luke Skywalker. Hell, his daddy Anakin, who at the age of nine was out-piloting aliens with reflexes far superior to those of humans just because he had the Force.
Rey is far from perfect - what do you think that thing with all the mirror images was about?
As for Burnham, try actually watching the show. She had a lovely speech in the final episode of Season 1 about how wrong she'd been in the pilot, how badly she'd screwed up, and what she'd learned from that (and how Admiral Cornwell should avoid making the exact same screwup except on a much, much higher level).
Luke Skywalker had the advantage of Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda to teach him how to use the Force, but we never saw him do any crazy Jedi tricks until after he was trained by Obi Wan Kenobi. Being a great pilot seems more like a natural Force ability that doesn't need Jedi Training.
I have not made an opinion on whether Rey or Burnham are Mary Sues. Just that Rey was able to learn an advanced Jedi trick without any help while Luke required training to accomplish any Jedi trick.
and then one episode later, she was flying ace-level maneuvers through a dense asteroid field...where did she get that piloting ability? certainly NOT at the vulcan science academy or at starfleet academy - at the former, she took a course in quantum physics, not pilot training of any variety and the latter teaches the basics if they teach it at all - plus, she seemingly never even went to SFA; she was assigned directly to georgiou...did burnham herself happen to mention where she learned it in that episode? i honestly don't remember if she did or not
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Without any Jedi Training, Rey is able to mind control a guard and defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber battle. So either mind control is an extremely easy Jedi technique to do or Rey is able to learn advanced Jedi techniques without any training.
I actually have a theory about that which seems to be corroborated in TLJ. It goes like this:
When the Jedi and the Sith were powerful they channeled The Force through their combined wills, limiting what others could do because so much of The Force was being controlled by a few powerful agents. They were, in effect, a dam blocking the flow of The Force, and letting it work only as they willed. Few people aside from those trained in its use could tap this energy. With the destruction of the Jedi and the release of the dammed energy flux, even common folk became able to sense and use The Force with little or no training.
Indeed you see many force users in TFA, most of whom are not powerful Jedi or Sith, but who are dabblers in the art.
Remember that the prophecy of Anakin was that he would bring balance to The Force. Not that he would be the greatest Jedi and control The Force even more than the Order was already doing, but that he would restore the natural balance. I submit he did this by getting rid of the dam: the Jedi. Once they were gone The Force was able to flow again, and the many minor talents were able to access it.
Keep in mind that at the time of the most powerful Jedi Masters, almost nobody could use The Force. In TFA, we see almost literally everybody using it. Balance restored.
The only "training" Luke got from Obi-wan was getting a high-tech blindfold put over his head and then being handed the galaxy's most dangerous personal weapon so he could defend himself from a flying pinata with a taser. It's a minor miracle anyone survived that. Not long after this incident, Obi-wan got himself bisected. Yet Luke was able to make an impossible shot (literally - he had to fire a pair of torpedoes at high velocity on a course that included an extremely tight 90-degree turn) from a craft he'd never flown before (and don't give me that TRIBBLE about his skyhopper - flying an ultralight doesn't exactly qualify you as an F-22 pilot), then master such things as Force pulls and jumps, which he'd never even seen a Jedi do, before becoming so strong with the Force that Obi-wan could appear before him and give him a typically cryptic message to continue his Hero's Journey.
But apparently that's okay, because obviously a backwoods farm boy is going to be more sophisticated than someone who's spent her entire life assembling junk to create high-tech devices to help her survive.
How can anyone like Michael Burnham, she symbolises everything that’s wrong with the modern left, she’s perfect in every way, she can do no wrong, she’s better than Spock just because she’s a black woman.
People hate Burham because that’s not how you write a character, I’m all for strong female characters but they shouldn’t be strong by invalidating all white men and being perfect at everything.
Connolly isn’t a good representation of any modern man, the far-left lie about how evil all men are not realising it makes them the sexist ones, it’s the same with all white people being “racist and evil” all that does is prove people like Sonequa Martin-Green are dangerously racist and bigoted.
How can anyone like Michael Burnham, she symbolises everything that’s wrong with the modern left, she’s perfect in every way, she can do no wrong, she’s better than Spock just because she’s a black woman.
I think no one likes that person, but that's just because that person does not exist.
The Michael Burnham from Star Trek Discovery is a flawed person that can and does do wrong.
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> @mustrumridcully0 said: > strawmancreator123#3757 wrote: » > > How can anyone like Michael Burnham, she symbolises everything that’s wrong with the modern left, she’s perfect in every way, she can do no wrong, she’s better than Spock just because she’s a black woman. > > > > I think no one likes that person, but that's just because that person does not exist. > > The Michael Burnham from Star Trek Discovery is a flawed person that can and does do wrong.
Name one thing she did wrong (other than starting the Klingon War because she was “proven right”)
The only "training" Luke got from Obi-wan was getting a high-tech blindfold put over his head and then being handed the galaxy's most dangerous personal weapon so he could defend himself from a flying pinata with a taser. It's a minor miracle anyone survived that. Not long after this incident, Obi-wan got himself bisected. Yet Luke was able to make an impossible shot (literally - he had to fire a pair of torpedoes at high velocity on a course that included an extremely tight 90-degree turn) from a craft he'd never flown before (and don't give me that TRIBBLE about his skyhopper - flying an ultralight doesn't exactly qualify you as an F-22 pilot), then master such things as Force pulls and jumps, which he'd never even seen a Jedi do, before becoming so strong with the Force that Obi-wan could appear before him and give him a typically cryptic message to continue his Hero's Journey.
But apparently that's okay, because obviously a backwoods farm boy is going to be more sophisticated than someone who's spent her entire life assembling junk to create high-tech devices to help her survive.
The only training that we saw. We are not aware of how long it took to get from Kenobi's home to Mos Eisley or how long it took to get to the Death Star. Luke could have received a few days worth of training or a few weeks which is far more than Rey received in TFA. After all, hitting a drone blindfolded is far more exciting for Jedi training than learning how to meditate or Kenobi talking about the Jedi Way.
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Name one thing she did wrong (other than starting the Klingon War because she was “proven right”)
I don't jump through your arbitrary hoops. There is no evidence that her idea to adopt the Vulcan Hello would have changed the outcome at all. There is evidence that she wasted valuable time for the crew and her Captain to find a better solution.
She was wrong when she attacked her Captain. She was even so wrong, that when she attacked her Captain, she didn't make sure it actually would keep her down long enough to implement her misguided plan. She misjudged her own crew mates and their willingness to trust her on her proposed action. She murdered T'Kuvma instead of apprehending him, like she actually planned to do.
The way she treats Georgiou when she comes aboard was inappropriate hostile and she needed to be called out by the Vulcan diplomat to figure out her behaviour.
She protected Tyler when he showed signs of PTSD, instead of actually dealing with it according to professional and ethical standards, and this might have killed an officer and almost ruined the entire plan of getting the Discovery out of the Mirror Universe.
Of course, I forget to mention that it's TRIBBLE critic anyway, calling a Starfleet officer to flawed. Come on, these guys are fracking professionals, they almost never make real errors or have real flaws. What are the big flaws of people like Kirk, Spock, Picard or Riker?
Picard's big character flaw was that he had trouble dealing with children. Except when he has to deal with children to save the ship, he does so very well.
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but they shouldn’t be strong by invalidating all white men and being perfect at everything.
And Burnham isn't. Though as you seem to think Connelly is somehow a cipher for 'white males' you can see where your bastardisation of logic comes from.
the far-left lie about how evil all men are not realising it makes them the sexist ones, it’s the same with all white people being “racist and evil” all that does is prove people like Sonequa Martin-Green are dangerously racist and bigoted.
The far-left in the sensible world is Communism, a political and economic ideology that dosn't much concern itself with sex or race being far more concerned about issues of class and governance. The words you're looking for are 'American liberals' if you're referring to people concerned with fighting inequality and 'exists only inside Marty's head' are the words you're looking for if you mean people who are saying 'men are evil'.
Nice effort, you managed to make this thread all about you quite quickly.
Name one thing she did wrong (other than starting the Klingon War because she was “proven right”)
Burnham didn't start the war. T'Kuvma started the war. However she did break the Starfleet code, undertake a mutiny, and got punished for it so when the final episode came she'd learnt from her mistake and stopped Cornwall from breaking the Starfleet code.
There you go, that's an example of her both doing something wrong and being punished for it.
Watch the bloody show and not 10 minute ad reaping videos from Youtube before asking stupid questions.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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> The Michael Burnham from Star Trek Discovery is a flawed person that can and does do wrong.
Name one thing she did wrong (other than starting the Klingon War because she was “proven right”)
I don't jump through your arbitrary hoops. There is no evidence that her idea to adopt the Vulcan Hello would have changed the outcome at all. There is evidence that she wasted valuable time for the crew and her Captain to find a better solution.
She was wrong when she attacked her Captain. She was even so wrong, that when she attacked her Captain, she didn't make sure it actually would keep her down long enough to implement her misguided plan. She misjudged her own crew mates and their willingness to trust her on her proposed action. She murdered T'Kuvma instead of apprehending him, like she actually planned to do.
The mistake that Burnham made with her mutiny is it caused hesitation. There was 2 options to avoid a war with the Klingons. Destroy T'Kuvma before his war could get started or sacrifice the Shenzhou so T'Kuvma would have needed another excuse to start his war.
The Vulcan Hello was about sacrifice or destroying the enemy not both. The first Vulcan ship was sacrificed while every other Vulcan ship destroyed Klingon ships until the Klingons were willing to talk. If Burnham followed the Vulcan Hello instead of botching it, then the Klingon War would have been prevented.
I am curious if there have been any leaks related to the ship they plan they use? I have a god ship model designed for a small crew and long-duration voyages...
> @brian334 said: > I am curious if there have been any leaks related to the ship they plan they use? I have a god ship model designed for a small crew and long-duration voyages...
Rumour has it that the ship is over powered for it's job and that it has to be big enough to move passagers , so it can't be too little. Maybe the size of the defiant, maybe somewhat bigger.
> @jonsills said: > brian334 wrote: » > > I am curious if there have been any leaks related to the ship they plan they use? > > > > We don't even have confirmation there's a ship involved at all, so no.
The leaks in fact do refer to a ship, what would need two pilots for if you don't have a ship?
The leaks in fact do refer to a ship, what would need two pilots for if you don't have a ship?
Because leaks are just rumors until they are confirmed to be correct. If CBS releases information that says that there is two pilots that fly Picard around the galaxy, then there is a ship. Although, there will be new ships since it is the end of the 24th Century, but there is no way to know for sure if there is a hero ship.
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Because they are both news websites that reported on the same story and you made a mention about other sites with "history shows the Klingon leaks reported by the Trek sites." comicbook.com reported the facts that they had. Some news websites choose to update stories with new information they receive while others don't. Either they report the facts that they had or they are not news websites.
According to wikipedia, a Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment. They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, and usually are able through some means to upstage the main protagonist of an established fictional setting, such as by saving the hero.
It doesn't matter if a Mary Sue is a self insert character from the writer of a movie, TV show, or fanfiction. If a character has the traits of a Mary Sue, then they are a Mary Sue.
Never gave an opinion on who was a Mary Sue just that Mary Sue characters aren't limited to fanfiction. They might have some Mary Sue elements, but that could be said for a bunch of characters like Superman and Batman depending on the writer.
And as they aren't self insert characters then they don't have the defining feature of a Mary Sue. Nor are they without flaws.
Just not liking female characters doesn't mean you can just lazily dismiss them as without flaws because you can't be arsed to watch the film or show to find out.
Constant regurgitation of Youtube videos created solely for ad money dosn't endear your point.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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A character doesn't have to be a self insert character or in a fanfiction to be a Mary Sue character. If they can do everything better than everyone else without any effort or training, then they are a Mary Sue. Without any Jedi Training, Rey is able to mind control a guard and defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber battle. So either mind control is an extremely easy Jedi technique to do or Rey is able to learn advanced Jedi techniques without any training.
Rey is far from perfect - what do you think that thing with all the mirror images was about?
As for Burnham, try actually watching the show. She had a lovely speech in the final episode of Season 1 about how wrong she'd been in the pilot, how badly she'd screwed up, and what she'd learned from that (and how Admiral Cornwell should avoid making the exact same screwup except on a much, much higher level).
Luke Skywalker had the advantage of Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda to teach him how to use the Force, but we never saw him do any crazy Jedi tricks until after he was trained by Obi Wan Kenobi. Being a great pilot seems more like a natural Force ability that doesn't need Jedi Training.
I have not made an opinion on whether Rey or Burnham are Mary Sues. Just that Rey was able to learn an advanced Jedi trick without any help while Luke required training to accomplish any Jedi trick.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I actually have a theory about that which seems to be corroborated in TLJ. It goes like this:
When the Jedi and the Sith were powerful they channeled The Force through their combined wills, limiting what others could do because so much of The Force was being controlled by a few powerful agents. They were, in effect, a dam blocking the flow of The Force, and letting it work only as they willed. Few people aside from those trained in its use could tap this energy. With the destruction of the Jedi and the release of the dammed energy flux, even common folk became able to sense and use The Force with little or no training.
Indeed you see many force users in TFA, most of whom are not powerful Jedi or Sith, but who are dabblers in the art.
Remember that the prophecy of Anakin was that he would bring balance to The Force. Not that he would be the greatest Jedi and control The Force even more than the Order was already doing, but that he would restore the natural balance. I submit he did this by getting rid of the dam: the Jedi. Once they were gone The Force was able to flow again, and the many minor talents were able to access it.
Keep in mind that at the time of the most powerful Jedi Masters, almost nobody could use The Force. In TFA, we see almost literally everybody using it. Balance restored.
Don't you actually mean "butt the HOLE galaxy?" Or am I wholly wrong about that?
But apparently that's okay, because obviously a backwoods farm boy is going to be more sophisticated than someone who's spent her entire life assembling junk to create high-tech devices to help her survive.
People hate Burham because that’s not how you write a character, I’m all for strong female characters but they shouldn’t be strong by invalidating all white men and being perfect at everything.
Connolly isn’t a good representation of any modern man, the far-left lie about how evil all men are not realising it makes them the sexist ones, it’s the same with all white people being “racist and evil” all that does is prove people like Sonequa Martin-Green are dangerously racist and bigoted.
The Michael Burnham from Star Trek Discovery is a flawed person that can and does do wrong.
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> How can anyone like Michael Burnham, she symbolises everything that’s wrong with the modern left, she’s perfect in every way, she can do no wrong, she’s better than Spock just because she’s a black woman.
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> The Michael Burnham from Star Trek Discovery is a flawed person that can and does do wrong.
Name one thing she did wrong (other than starting the Klingon War because she was “proven right”)
The only training that we saw. We are not aware of how long it took to get from Kenobi's home to Mos Eisley or how long it took to get to the Death Star. Luke could have received a few days worth of training or a few weeks which is far more than Rey received in TFA. After all, hitting a drone blindfolded is far more exciting for Jedi training than learning how to meditate or Kenobi talking about the Jedi Way.
I don't jump through your arbitrary hoops. There is no evidence that her idea to adopt the Vulcan Hello would have changed the outcome at all. There is evidence that she wasted valuable time for the crew and her Captain to find a better solution.
She was wrong when she attacked her Captain. She was even so wrong, that when she attacked her Captain, she didn't make sure it actually would keep her down long enough to implement her misguided plan. She misjudged her own crew mates and their willingness to trust her on her proposed action. She murdered T'Kuvma instead of apprehending him, like she actually planned to do.
The way she treats Georgiou when she comes aboard was inappropriate hostile and she needed to be called out by the Vulcan diplomat to figure out her behaviour.
She protected Tyler when he showed signs of PTSD, instead of actually dealing with it according to professional and ethical standards, and this might have killed an officer and almost ruined the entire plan of getting the Discovery out of the Mirror Universe.
Of course, I forget to mention that it's TRIBBLE critic anyway, calling a Starfleet officer to flawed. Come on, these guys are fracking professionals, they almost never make real errors or have real flaws. What are the big flaws of people like Kirk, Spock, Picard or Riker?
Picard's big character flaw was that he had trouble dealing with children. Except when he has to deal with children to save the ship, he does so very well.
By being one of the test pilots for the pods. She literally says it for you.
Who does? People correctly stating she's not a Mary Sue are not also saying they like the character. Learn to read.
Irrelevant political bollocks. Because a character is black or female doesn't mean she's anything to do with the American 'left' as you call it.
Incorrect, try watching the show.
Never stated or implied. Watch the show.
Not even bothering to hide either the sexism or racism now?
People dislike her because she's overly preachy and insubordinate. That's people who've watched the show anyway.
You're not giving any indications of that.
And Burnham isn't. Though as you seem to think Connelly is somehow a cipher for 'white males' you can see where your bastardisation of logic comes from.
Nobody said he was except you. Learn how not to strawman.
The far-left in the sensible world is Communism, a political and economic ideology that dosn't much concern itself with sex or race being far more concerned about issues of class and governance. The words you're looking for are 'American liberals' if you're referring to people concerned with fighting inequality and 'exists only inside Marty's head' are the words you're looking for if you mean people who are saying 'men are evil'.
Nice effort, you managed to make this thread all about you quite quickly.
Burnham didn't start the war. T'Kuvma started the war. However she did break the Starfleet code, undertake a mutiny, and got punished for it so when the final episode came she'd learnt from her mistake and stopped Cornwall from breaking the Starfleet code.
There you go, that's an example of her both doing something wrong and being punished for it.
Watch the bloody show and not 10 minute ad reaping videos from Youtube before asking stupid questions.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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The mistake that Burnham made with her mutiny is it caused hesitation. There was 2 options to avoid a war with the Klingons. Destroy T'Kuvma before his war could get started or sacrifice the Shenzhou so T'Kuvma would have needed another excuse to start his war.
The Vulcan Hello was about sacrifice or destroying the enemy not both. The first Vulcan ship was sacrificed while every other Vulcan ship destroyed Klingon ships until the Klingons were willing to talk. If Burnham followed the Vulcan Hello instead of botching it, then the Klingon War would have been prevented.
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> I am curious if there have been any leaks related to the ship they plan they use? I have a god ship model designed for a small crew and long-duration voyages...
Rumour has it that the ship is over powered for it's job and that it has to be big enough to move passagers , so it can't be too little. Maybe the size of the defiant, maybe somewhat bigger.
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> I am curious if there have been any leaks related to the ship they plan they use?
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> We don't even have confirmation there's a ship involved at all, so no.
The leaks in fact do refer to a ship, what would need two pilots for if you don't have a ship?
Because leaks are just rumors until they are confirmed to be correct. If CBS releases information that says that there is two pilots that fly Picard around the galaxy, then there is a ship. Although, there will be new ships since it is the end of the 24th Century, but there is no way to know for sure if there is a hero ship.
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