There is plenty of content in the game, just no reason to play most of it. They need to seriously revamp rewards so different content gives different rewards not just dilithium for everything. All the content would "pop" if all the content was necessary for something or other.
And here I am wondering how any one person can keep up with all the stuff to do in this game. And run out of content.
Are people "playing" all day long, non stop?? I don't get it.
Once you have gone through the storyline what is there left to do? You run ques and gain rep XP to fill reputations and buy gear, but once that rep is filled there is no incentive to play that que so it's hard to play those ques. You can play foundry missions which can be fun, but the payoff to playing those isn't great. Red Alerts? every 1/2 hours. You could run system missions, can't tell you how many times I've repaired satellites, or farmed 5 systems in Romulan space to level ships. but honestly, if I'm grinding xp for spec points, once the storylines done and missions no longer reward 11k xp, It makes no sense to run missions, just load up a tons of admiralty missions, log off and watch TV.
Your favorite TV shows can't deliver 364 episodes a year either.
You might just need to cut back on playing STO so much. You don't "have to" play it every day or even every week. Go off, play something different for awhile until you've used up all of its content, then come back and see what's new.
And here I am wondering how any one person can keep up with all the stuff to do in this game. And run out of content.
Are people "playing" all day long, non stop?? I don't get it.
Once you have gone through the storyline what is there left to do? You run ques and gain rep XP to fill reputations and buy gear, but once that rep is filled there is no incentive to play that que so it's hard to play those ques. You can play foundry missions which can be fun, but the payoff to playing those isn't great. Red Alerts? every 1/2 hours. You could run system missions, can't tell you how many times I've repaired satellites, or farmed 5 systems in Romulan space to level ships. but honestly, if I'm grinding xp for spec points, once the storylines done and missions no longer reward 11k xp, It makes no sense to run missions, just load up a tons of admiralty missions, log off and watch TV.
Events and FEs keep me busy enough. I have not finished the story line.
But then, most of my characters are stuck on Cardassian Arc...and I lost interest. LOL!
Admiralty and DOFFing is taking care of my character's Specialization points.....
all my mains (6) have all Specializations filled and is collecting spares, now.
CXP is done on all of them. Rep is done on all of them.
I never level ships, I just don't care for that aspect. Happens when it happens.
I am leveling up 3 new characters! Not ships. LOL!
Oh and KDF Fleet (2 person fleet)....Tier 5 Starbase is just around the corner. Smaller holdings are completed.
Just waiting on Starbase to start in earnest on the Colony.
You don't play around with all the toys Cryptic gives us in a constant stream??
You have NO curiosity about new gear that comes out with the FEs?
No curiosity about the new freebie ships that come out with the 3 big events??
You don't buy lockbox stuff on sale in the Exchange to see how it works on your "build"?
And I don't mean the expensive ships...there are Genetic re-sequencers, Kit modules, Weapons....etc...
And gossip with your friends about how OP it is or Buggy it is???
You may as well just skip STO and go straight to TV. What do you need Admiralty for?
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I'm taking a wild guess that Cryptic has done the math on this and has learned how to optimally space their new content so that it leads to the best financial return.
Do you really believe that? Explain why it is, then, that season after season, piles of development effort are wasted churning out crappy dead queues nobody will play, instead of using that same development effort to turn out episodes that people WILL play, or simply bringing back things people would actually want to play, like the missing versions of the Elite queues we used to have that they took away? Since we already HAD those things, it would cost practically nothing to simply turn them back on.
But instead, they waste it creating 3 or 4 new dead queues.
I'm not saying that the content itself is of any particular quality. I'm just saying that they have their spacing out of content releases down.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Oh and KDF Fleet (2 person fleet)....Tier 5 Starbase is just around the corner. Smaller holdings are completed.
Just waiting on Starbase to start in earnest on the Colony.
Your starbase is basically done, seeing as it basically just functions as my waste doff dump. The actual WORK comes from the colony, which REQUIRES MORE MINERALS.
Dump while you can, Armada Leader. I will be back on the clock after recovery from "The Omega Games".
Re: Dil for Colony.....Thanks for the heads up.
We consider it as another long term project.
I will get with Fleet Leader on it, see how we will handle it.
Though....is the Armada gonna do one Colony? PM me.
Addition: What I don't like trying to collect are Fleet Marks.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Addition: What I don't like trying to collect are Fleet Marks.
At least on PC, anyone allowing fleet mark donations from the rest of an armada should be getting all that they need.
In most fleets, people have a surplus of marks from playing the game, with very little chance to donate them.
If that isn't happening you might ask other fleets to advertise "dump your marks here!" and the problem should vanish.
It is a Klingon fleet, Dave.
I am sure everyone has enough projects to dump FM to over on the Red side.
Hmm, marks slots are filled in a few minutes in my KDF fleet. But I understand a lot of KDF alts are for farming not playing so maybe your armada has that problem.
Addition: What I don't like trying to collect are Fleet Marks.
At least on PC, anyone allowing fleet mark donations from the rest of an armada should be getting all that they need.
In most fleets, people have a surplus of marks from playing the game, with very little chance to donate them.
If that isn't happening you might ask other fleets to advertise "dump your marks here!" and the problem should vanish.
It is a Klingon fleet, Dave.
I am sure everyone has enough projects to dump FM to over on the Red side.
Hmm, marks slots are filled in a few minutes in my KDF fleet. But I understand a lot of KDF alts are for farming not playing so maybe your armada has that problem.
Either that, or everyone is concentrating on their own fleet and none left over to share.
And you are correct this tends to happen when you don't have a saturation of players....just of a lot of Alts, too.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
You claim to have been around since launch but I jave not seen you mention once the entire year we went without new content of any kind before the LoR launch.
It wasn't an entire year of new content that we got up until the launch of Legacy of Romuls. I think you're forgetting what came out between Season's 6, 7 and the early months leading up to it:
- Fleet Advancement system was introduced, giving us the fleet starbase
- Nukara was a fresh battle zone for killing the new Tholian enemy (at the time)
- Fleet Ships were churned out giving us a newer option at Tier 5
- Season 7 launched with Tau Dewa sector block (back before the open map if you recall)
- New systems to patrol for rewards
- Introduction of the Reputation system
- New Romulus Adventure zone
- New Romulus story (which at a time was reputation locked)
- Temporal Ambassador (the start of singular featured episodes) for the 3rd Anniversary
They didn't give much in the way of story content because at the time they were focusing in on improving aspects of the game so that players could have places to go with new gear. Legacy of Romulus gave players much needed story content for a new faction, and opened up Klingons to be no longer locked behind a fed player.
Nowadays we get new missions and queues and other things on a very regular basis, its slowed down a bit from what it was at just before AoY, where we had a new FE every month (except for seasonal event times). Of course then we had people complaining about too much new content.
The slow down actually started around the time they started work on Agents of Yesterday. We had a Featured Episode essentially every month because they were trying to deliver a finish to the 5 year long story arc with the Iconians.
You could call the lead up to Agents of Yesterday as a pre-release of the entire storyline, something different they were trying with regards to the long wait we had between Legacy of Romulus and Delta Rising, where in the period in between, we had a few Featured episodes in between.
- Sphere of Influence (released between LoR and Season 8)
- A Step between Stars (4th Anniversary in 2014)
- Surface Tension (Start of Season 9)
That's 3 actual story episodes released in a period between May 2013 and October 2014, with content focused in on keeping players going for rewards in between. I'd say we're getting much more in terms of content now that they've learned to space out the story episodes with giving us new things to try. Obviously it doesn't always work, but at least they're trying.
Addition: What I don't like trying to collect are Fleet Marks.
At least on PC, anyone allowing fleet mark donations from the rest of an armada should be getting all that they need.
In most fleets, people have a surplus of marks from playing the game, with very little chance to donate them.
If that isn't happening you might ask other fleets to advertise "dump your marks here!" and the problem should vanish.
It is a Klingon fleet, Dave.
I am sure everyone has enough projects to dump FM to over on the Red side.
Hmm, marks slots are filled in a few minutes in my KDF fleet. But I understand a lot of KDF alts are for farming not playing so maybe your armada has that problem.
Either that, or everyone is concentrating on their own fleet and none left over to share.
And you are correct this tends to happen when you don't have a saturation of players....just of a lot of Alts, too.
Generally I find being as ruthless and self-concerned with regard to flarks and sniping projects as they tick over helps a lot.
If only they'd make dilithium worth more credits......if only. Even as little as 2:1 would do.
Addition: What I don't like trying to collect are Fleet Marks.
At least on PC, anyone allowing fleet mark donations from the rest of an armada should be getting all that they need.
In most fleets, people have a surplus of marks from playing the game, with very little chance to donate them.
If that isn't happening you might ask other fleets to advertise "dump your marks here!" and the problem should vanish.
It is a Klingon fleet, Dave.
I am sure everyone has enough projects to dump FM to over on the Red side.
Hmm, marks slots are filled in a few minutes in my KDF fleet. But I understand a lot of KDF alts are for farming not playing so maybe your armada has that problem.
Either that, or everyone is concentrating on their own fleet and none left over to share.
And you are correct this tends to happen when you don't have a saturation of players....just of a lot of Alts, too.
Generally I find being as ruthless and self-concerned with regard to flarks and sniping projects as they tick over helps a lot.
If only they'd make dilithium worth more credits......if only. Even as little as 2:1 would do.
Not sure what that means. I been leaving Fleet Marks and XP slots alone...for other people to fill as I collect DOFFs. 77 whites for each Tac/Eng/Sci....when DOFFs are filled....and the Flarks and XP are not. I do it.
So, what else shall I believe....my Armada has no issue with lack of projects to fill within their own fleet.
Sniping Fleet Mark projects is apparently only a problem on the Blue side. LOL!
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
a) population-this is probably the single biggest driver in the difference. there are flat out more Fed players than anyone else.
b)Content is designed to be optimally completed by Federation 'style' players. You ever notice, all those DPS videos t hey were making (and still make) and all those DPS records are gained/held by people running either romulan, lockbox, or Fed ships. This is because Klingon designs don't FAWSpam as well as Federation designs, and the options are more limited red-side, so there's significantly less incentive for the same level of build.
On the (b) point, there were a group running around the forum calling themselves "Wizards of STO" and one of them made the boast they could set a DPS record in anything. WEll, someone called them out on that, and suggested they try it in a Klingon (not cross-faction or lockbox) ship.
We're three years since then, and guess what? yeah, nothing.
Why this is relevant: DPS runs are done on content that awards either Dilithium, or Marks, and Fleet Marks in queued content (Which is to say, FawSpam content) are the most common reward. structurally then, a fed fleet that is even 1/10th active is going to clear FM requirements long before a KDF fleet with a similar proportion of active players.
Why? Queued PvE missions take less time, which in turn, means more can be run in a given 2 hour session, and with more people completing more content more rapidly, marks will tend to pile up significantly faster.
So what? Marks in PvP content? Competitive didn't work.
Besides, I watched some "PvPers" in Ker'rat the other day. It was more like: badly constructed drive by shootings than PvP.
I hope the guy hitting the respawn point was a Rom...I would be too embarrassed if it were KDF.
Because...if a person DOFFing most of the time could figure out his mo... that is really not good.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Generally I find being as ruthless and self-concerned with regard to flarks and sniping projects as they tick over helps a lot.
If only they'd make dilithium worth more credits......if only. Even as little as 2:1 would do.
Well, that and the fact that you don't just need dil to earn fleet credits, you also need dil to buy stuff with fleet credits...
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Generally I find being as ruthless and self-concerned with regard to flarks and sniping projects as they tick over helps a lot.
If only they'd make dilithium worth more credits......if only. Even as little as 2:1 would do.
Well, that and the fact that you don't just need dil to earn fleet credits, you also need dil to buy stuff with fleet credits...
You need dil for EVERYTHING, which is the main problem with dumping it in fleets. That dil could buy the shiny you were wanting the fledits for in the first place but then you need dil for that other thing or to upgrade the other thing.
Oh I should have pointed out the main place I come across the whole project lack of problem is in my KDF fleet. Definitely not a blue exclusive issue and the fact it was assumed I was talking tells you how imbalanced the game is with regards to factions but that's a separate topic.
I have 1000 flarks and dil is being reserved for the surprise ambush of phoenix boxes I expect is in our near future.
There's only doff crete and that gets expensive because doff crete is a sellers market. Great if you're selling it of course.
STO is basically a swings and roundabouts simulator. I have real life for that.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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Looking at the other side and pointing out "They got this", "They got that". They got it better, easier, and fancier. That is envy. Envy is not becoming of you. Nor of any warrior. It is pathetic.
Figure out what it is that is inside you that you can not let this stuff go. It is not a personal thing. It is not. This is a game. These are just toys. Toys someone is making money off of.
Community is about having heart about things we have in common. It is about having interactions with other people who think like you or have your interest...or, in our case, want to be a Klingon.
Do you want a bunch of passionless people over here making Alts? People pretending, only caring about Contraband and Dil or a fancy ship, just so we can say: "population"? I don't. That is how the Romulan faction got destroyed...Scimitar.
If you do not want a part of what Klingons have, right now, in this game, why are you still here? If you do not want to build from the foundation we have been given by Cryptic....why stay?
It is very sad.
Don't come here every day and disparage what Cryptic has done to that which you are passionate about...PvP and KDF. It won't change it. All it does is fester it inside you.
And inside everyone who reads your words. It is not worth keeping in your mind. It will make you sick.
I told you before, your words have a way eliciting emotions deep in people. That is a talent and to be careful with it. Be kind with it, too.
You are a writer. Writing should be your escape from troubles, it should be a joy. But it has become THIS?? No. Go find your way and stop with this negative loop.
I will miss reading your rants and hearing your stories.
But I would rather see you happier, Patrickngo.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
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Are people "playing" all day long, non stop?? I don't get it.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
You might just need to cut back on playing STO so much. You don't "have to" play it every day or even every week. Go off, play something different for awhile until you've used up all of its content, then come back and see what's new.
Events and FEs keep me busy enough. I have not finished the story line.
But then, most of my characters are stuck on Cardassian Arc...and I lost interest. LOL!
Admiralty and DOFFing is taking care of my character's Specialization points.....
all my mains (6) have all Specializations filled and is collecting spares, now.
CXP is done on all of them. Rep is done on all of them.
I never level ships, I just don't care for that aspect. Happens when it happens.
I am leveling up 3 new characters! Not ships. LOL!
Oh and KDF Fleet (2 person fleet)....Tier 5 Starbase is just around the corner. Smaller holdings are completed.
Just waiting on Starbase to start in earnest on the Colony.
You don't play around with all the toys Cryptic gives us in a constant stream??
You have NO curiosity about new gear that comes out with the FEs?
No curiosity about the new freebie ships that come out with the 3 big events??
You don't buy lockbox stuff on sale in the Exchange to see how it works on your "build"?
And I don't mean the expensive ships...there are Genetic re-sequencers, Kit modules, Weapons....etc...
And gossip with your friends about how OP it is or Buggy it is???
You may as well just skip STO and go straight to TV. What do you need Admiralty for?
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Dump while you can, Armada Leader. I will be back on the clock after recovery from "The Omega Games".
Re: Dil for Colony.....Thanks for the heads up.
We consider it as another long term project.
I will get with Fleet Leader on it, see how we will handle it.
Though....is the Armada gonna do one Colony? PM me.
Addition: What I don't like trying to collect are Fleet Marks.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
At least on PC, anyone allowing fleet mark donations from the rest of an armada should be getting all that they need.
In most fleets, people have a surplus of marks from playing the game, with very little chance to donate them.
If that isn't happening you might ask other fleets to advertise "dump your marks here!" and the problem should vanish.
It is a Klingon fleet, Dave.
I am sure everyone has enough projects to dump FM to over on the Red side.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Hmm, marks slots are filled in a few minutes in my KDF fleet. But I understand a lot of KDF alts are for farming not playing so maybe your armada has that problem.
Either that, or everyone is concentrating on their own fleet and none left over to share.
And you are correct this tends to happen when you don't have a saturation of players....just of a lot of Alts, too.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
It wasn't an entire year of new content that we got up until the launch of Legacy of Romuls. I think you're forgetting what came out between Season's 6, 7 and the early months leading up to it:
- Fleet Advancement system was introduced, giving us the fleet starbase
- Nukara was a fresh battle zone for killing the new Tholian enemy (at the time)
- Fleet Ships were churned out giving us a newer option at Tier 5
- Season 7 launched with Tau Dewa sector block (back before the open map if you recall)
- New systems to patrol for rewards
- Introduction of the Reputation system
- New Romulus Adventure zone
- New Romulus story (which at a time was reputation locked)
- Temporal Ambassador (the start of singular featured episodes) for the 3rd Anniversary
They didn't give much in the way of story content because at the time they were focusing in on improving aspects of the game so that players could have places to go with new gear. Legacy of Romulus gave players much needed story content for a new faction, and opened up Klingons to be no longer locked behind a fed player.
The slow down actually started around the time they started work on Agents of Yesterday. We had a Featured Episode essentially every month because they were trying to deliver a finish to the 5 year long story arc with the Iconians.
You could call the lead up to Agents of Yesterday as a pre-release of the entire storyline, something different they were trying with regards to the long wait we had between Legacy of Romulus and Delta Rising, where in the period in between, we had a few Featured episodes in between.
- Sphere of Influence (released between LoR and Season 8)
- A Step between Stars (4th Anniversary in 2014)
- Surface Tension (Start of Season 9)
That's 3 actual story episodes released in a period between May 2013 and October 2014, with content focused in on keeping players going for rewards in between. I'd say we're getting much more in terms of content now that they've learned to space out the story episodes with giving us new things to try. Obviously it doesn't always work, but at least they're trying.
Generally I find being as ruthless and self-concerned with regard to flarks and sniping projects as they tick over helps a lot.
If only they'd make dilithium worth more credits......if only. Even as little as 2:1 would do.
Not sure what that means. I been leaving Fleet Marks and XP slots alone...for other people to fill as I collect DOFFs. 77 whites for each Tac/Eng/Sci....when DOFFs are filled....and the Flarks and XP are not. I do it.
So, what else shall I believe....my Armada has no issue with lack of projects to fill within their own fleet.
Sniping Fleet Mark projects is apparently only a problem on the Blue side. LOL!
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
So what? Marks in PvP content? Competitive didn't work.
Besides, I watched some "PvPers" in Ker'rat the other day. It was more like: badly constructed drive by shootings than PvP.
I hope the guy hitting the respawn point was a Rom...I would be too embarrassed if it were KDF.
Because...if a person DOFFing most of the time could figure out his mo... that is really not good.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Well, that and the fact that you don't just need dil to earn fleet credits, you also need dil to buy stuff with fleet credits...
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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You need dil for EVERYTHING, which is the main problem with dumping it in fleets. That dil could buy the shiny you were wanting the fledits for in the first place but then you need dil for that other thing or to upgrade the other thing.
Oh I should have pointed out the main place I come across the whole project lack of problem is in my KDF fleet. Definitely not a blue exclusive issue and the fact it was assumed I was talking tells you how imbalanced the game is with regards to factions but that's a separate topic.
I have 1000 flarks and dil is being reserved for the surprise ambush of phoenix boxes I expect is in our near future.
There's only doff crete and that gets expensive because doff crete is a sellers market. Great if you're selling it of course.
STO is basically a swings and roundabouts simulator. I have real life for that.
Wouldn't bother my main.
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Figure out what it is that is inside you that you can not let this stuff go. It is not a personal thing. It is not. This is a game. These are just toys. Toys someone is making money off of.
Community is about having heart about things we have in common. It is about having interactions with other people who think like you or have your interest...or, in our case, want to be a Klingon.
Do you want a bunch of passionless people over here making Alts? People pretending, only caring about Contraband and Dil or a fancy ship, just so we can say: "population"? I don't. That is how the Romulan faction got destroyed...Scimitar.
If you do not want a part of what Klingons have, right now, in this game, why are you still here? If you do not want to build from the foundation we have been given by Cryptic....why stay?
It is very sad.
Don't come here every day and disparage what Cryptic has done to that which you are passionate about...PvP and KDF. It won't change it. All it does is fester it inside you.
And inside everyone who reads your words. It is not worth keeping in your mind. It will make you sick.
I told you before, your words have a way eliciting emotions deep in people. That is a talent and to be careful with it. Be kind with it, too.
You are a writer. Writing should be your escape from troubles, it should be a joy. But it has become THIS?? No. Go find your way and stop with this negative loop.
I will miss reading your rants and hearing your stories.
But I would rather see you happier, Patrickngo.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin