I don't think the private queues had AFK penalties. I recall a time when some DPS folks had a race to the bottom (competing to get the lowest numbers in the tables) and they didn't get AFK penalties because they ran in premades.
I can't tell you how many times I did elite ground missions where I had a new player tell me I had to hold back because he wasn't geared enough, shout all kinds of instructions and then did almost nothing while I carried the mission for the entire team. This may sound dispassionate but, I learned how to play the game. Maybe you should also. You should be thanking players like me for giving you all the free salvaged tech that you 'earned.'
I can't tell you how many times I did elite ground missions where I had a new player tell me I had to hold back because he wasn't geared enough, shout all kinds of instructions and then did almost nothing while I carried the mission for the entire team. This may sound dispassionate but, I learned how to play the game. Maybe you should also. You should be thanking players like me for giving you all the free salvaged tech that you 'earned.'
I've seen this happen a lot too. Clueless players that roll into even advanced queues and shout orders at those who are ignoring and carrying them.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
I don't think the private queues had AFK penalties. I recall a time when some DPS folks had a race to the bottom (competing to get the lowest numbers in the tables) and they didn't get AFK penalties because they ran in premades.
depends on the que - I was once going into premade tsc run [one of borg ques] as a warper and took it as a good oportunity to thest that theory out - on the very beginning I've go full reverse, contributed exacly 0 to dps scores and got flagged up for afk penalty
You're complaining about someone that does exceptionally well while you did nothing in the match. You did so little that the game considered you AFK.
welp in defense of it's original statement with currect difficulty of elite ques adn powercreep goign quite well for quite a time it is quite possibel for exceptional player to clear everything fast enougth for others to simply not be able to contribute anything because of inability to even keep up with his movements
at this point OP had my sympathy although his later behaviour in this thread took it away I'm afraid.....
I can't tell you how many times I did elite ground missions where I had a new player tell me I had to hold back because he wasn't geared enough, shout all kinds of instructions and then did almost nothing while I carried the mission for the entire team. This may sound dispassionate but, I learned how to play the game. Maybe you should also. You should be thanking players like me for giving you all the free salvaged tech that you 'earned.'
I've seen this happen a lot too. Clueless players that roll into even advanced queues and shout orders at those who are ignoring and carrying them.
It goes the other way for me. I sit in queues like Gateway to Grethor advanced and when I park in a spot to keep a spawning portal in check while close enough to close 2 or 3 radiation gateways without moving someone comes along and closes the spawning portal I have in check and I have to move from my perfect lane clearing camping spot and I get grouchy. >_>
Instead, you're simply blaming the other player when he/she is doing nothing more then simply playing the game..the same as you are.
But he is not blaming the other player....at all. He is blaming the design of the game. He has done Elite before and knows he is capable of contributing his share, but due to power creep and design, he was not even able to provide his share or any share at all. That is a design problem. He meets the requirements to join and participate and give his share, but was not able to. Is it that hard to see the problem here?
Instead, you're simply blaming the other player when he/she is doing nothing more then simply playing the game..the same as you are.
But he is not blaming the other player....at all. He is blaming the design of the game. He has done Elite before and knows he is capable of contributing his share, but due to power creep and design, he was not even able to provide his share or any share at all. That is a design problem. He meets the requirements to join and participate and give his share, but was not able to. Is it that hard to see the problem here?
By contributing his share, you mean doing just a tad more than 1%...sure. He was leeching those other runs...it's just that they were not as good this one guy so he was able to avoid thye AFK penalty. Avoiding the AFK penalty is not the same as contributing to the mission. And he was unable to contribute his share not by design issue (he could have gone off and worked on a different group if he really was equipped for elite)...but because of how he chose to play...i.e. follow the OP guy as he wipes the floor with everything and do nothing. He is a leech who is complaining because he got caught leeching.
thing is that at some treshold of gear you can actually overpower youself much enought to make others unable to keep up even wth that 1% of overall damage by basically killing everythign before they can go in - especially if some of them are unaware of ability to skip the cinematics
heck I think I could easilyy pull such thing off if I really wanted but this sort of overoptimisations goes into no-fun zone and I prefer personally to stay in the fun zone :P
heck I think I could easilyy pull such thing off if I really wanted but this sort of overoptimisations goes into no-fun zone and I prefer personally to stay in the fun zone :P
I've heard of this, that people intentionally cripple themselves in order to "have fun". I can only explain this as a form of RP, but I may be missing something. Is it RP to you when you do this, when you intentionally play badly in order to "stay in the fun zone", or are you doing it for some other reason? If it is not RP, could you explain what it is?
By contributing his share, you mean doing just a tad more than 1%...sure. He was leeching those other runs...it's just that they were not as good this one guy so he was able to avoid thye AFK penalty. Avoiding the AFK penalty is not the same as contributing to the mission. And he was unable to contribute his share not by design issue (he could have gone off and worked on a different group if he really was equipped for elite)...but because of how he chose to play...i.e. follow the OP guy as he wipes the floor with everything and do nothing. He is a leech who is complaining because he got caught leeching.
Yeah, sometimes people just need a stiff dose of reality.. and this is it. Just because the OP did Elite Ques before doesn't mean he ever contributed anything to any of them. Sounds like he's been skating along contributing his 1% with his Maco Gear and this time the leeching didn't work out so now it's time to rage on the forum.
Seriously, if this was anything more then this, you would see many more occurrences of this "problem" but where are they? Nowhere. Why? Because it's not a real problem.
I'm a casual player, if this happened to me occasionally, well, that's part of the game. People who put time and investment in deserve to do better if they work hard to get there. Maybe you could show us your build to see why you are doing so poorly?
welp in defense of it's original statement with currect difficulty of elite ques adn powercreep goign quite well for quite a time it is quite possibel for exceptional player to clear everything fast enougth for others to simply not be able to contribute anything because of inability to even keep up with his movements
at this point OP had my sympathy although his later behaviour in this thread took it away I'm afraid.....
I disagree still. This is the same as those guys in space getting AFK... Because they were doing nothing. How can you do Elite content anywhere and do so little?
Even in Space where the Power Creep is super-strong, in the silliness of CCA where it can be beaten in seconds, how do people get AFK in there? By doing nothing. I can even rush into there and get 1 attack cycle in before the Entity is dead and I never get the penalty.
Ground Queued Content is not like that. It takes a while still and it's not like space where some BFAW-Cruiser using Evasive Manevuers to zip ahead and destroying everything in the area in seconds. Ground isn't like that.
By contributing his share, you mean doing just a tad more than 1%...sure. He was leeching those other runs...it's just that they were not as good this one guy so he was able to avoid thye AFK penalty. Avoiding the AFK penalty is not the same as contributing to the mission. And he was unable to contribute his share not by design issue (he could have gone off and worked on a different group if he really was equipped for elite)...but because of how he chose to play...i.e. follow the OP guy as he wipes the floor with everything and do nothing. He is a leech who is complaining because he got caught leeching.
Yeah, sometimes people just need a stiff dose of reality.. and this is it. Just because the OP did Elite Ques before doesn't mean he ever contributed anything to any of them. Sounds like he's been skating along contributing his 1% with his Maco Gear and this time the leeching didn't work out so now it's time to rage on the forum.
Seriously, if this was anything more then this, you would see many more occurrences of this "problem" but where are they? Nowhere. Why? Because it's not a real problem.
Unfortunately, it's not called the "You Sucked" -penalty so it does inevitably create confusion in players who were honestly playing the game, just doing badly.
Especially considering the game never gives players any feedback at all on their performance good or bad, so it's understandable that new players won't be aware they aren't actually pulling their weight in Elite after all.
> @warpangel said: > seaofsorrows wrote: » > > coldnapalm wrote: » > > > By contributing his share, you mean doing just a tad more than 1%...sure. He was leeching those other runs...it's just that they were not as good this one guy so he was able to avoid thye AFK penalty. Avoiding the AFK penalty is not the same as contributing to the mission. And he was unable to contribute his share not by design issue (he could have gone off and worked on a different group if he really was equipped for elite)...but because of how he chose to play...i.e. follow the OP guy as he wipes the floor with everything and do nothing. He is a leech who is complaining because he got caught leeching. > > > > > Yeah, sometimes people just need a stiff dose of reality.. and this is it. Just because the OP did Elite Ques before doesn't mean he ever contributed anything to any of them. Sounds like he's been skating along contributing his 1% with his Maco Gear and this time the leeching didn't work out so now it's time to rage on the forum. > > Seriously, if this was anything more then this, you would see many more occurrences of this "problem" but where are they? Nowhere. Why? Because it's not a real problem. > > > > Unfortunately, it's not called the "You Sucked" -penalty so it does inevitably create confusion in players who were honestly playing the game, just doing badly. > > Especially considering the game never gives players any feedback at all on their performance good or bad, so it's understandable that new players won't be aware they aren't actually pulling their weight in Elite after all.
How does the new player know he's not geared for Elite, if the game never tells him?
One knows this by getting one's *ss kicked! At that point, a normal person will realize he/she is not good enough (yet?) for the difficulty level they're playing on. Others, like the OP, whose egos cannot stomach the fact that they suck, will start to blame others.
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heck I think I could easilyy pull such thing off if I really wanted but this sort of overoptimisations goes into no-fun zone and I prefer personally to stay in the fun zone :P
I've heard of this, that people intentionally cripple themselves in order to "have fun". I can only explain this as a form of RP, but I may be missing something. Is it RP to you when you do this, when you intentionally play badly in order to "stay in the fun zone", or are you doing it for some other reason? If it is not RP, could you explain what it is?
Some people don't want to just steamroll everything as fast as possible to get a reward. Some people actually WANT a fight that lasts more than 2 seconds. For them, actually feeling like they EARNED that reward is fun. Not just "Bang! You're Dead. Give me my reward so I can move on", but an actual fight where one wrong move could hurt, but at the same time once you win it actually feels like you accomplished something.
There's more than one way to play. The current meta may be "It can't hurt you if its already dead", but it is not the only solution. No one needs to be Godly in combat to the point there's no challenge.
I myself enjoy a good fight. I want my victories to be earned. Not given to me on a silver platter. It means I have to learn how the enemy fights, and adapt new tactics to counter them. For example, most people probably don't know or care that Science Team is probably a good idea to have against Breen and Hirogen since they have Subnuc. Same goes for PvP. I don't want to just steamroll the opponent in a vape build. I want a fair fight where both sides have a chance to win. If I happen to overpower the other player, I EARNED that win. If they beat me, it was still a good fight because they EARNED that win because I didn't just roll over and die just by being looked at.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Ok so let me get all of this straight. OP loads up in ELITE, then gets ticked when he can't produce at that level when other players can, and calls them OP for doing what should be done to play at that level?
Sorry Mr. Worf is going to sum this up for me.
If you're going to try elite, you better have the best of everything, otherwise keep your behind in advanced.
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"You failed to do 1%...ONE FRAKING PERCENT of the damage. You did NOTHING for all intent and purposes. You deserve nothing. This is elite...act like somebody who has a clue please." This reminds me of Willy Wonkas speech at the end.... I said good day sir!
How does the new player know he's not geared for Elite, if the game never tells him?
One knows this by getting one's *ss kicked! At that point, a normal person will realize he/she is not good enough (yet?) for the difficulty level they're playing on. Others, like the OP, whose egos cannot stomach the fact that they suck, will start to blame others.
Or go on the forums whining like a little biotch that things are OPed and need nerfing.
I just completed a Botse. Things went down quickly.
That's not because we were OP though. We were powerful, but mostly it was just players knowing what they're doing and supporting/covering each other so that shutting down the Iconian tech didn't take 3 or 4 times.
That's what you can, or rather should expect on Elite.
Especially considering the game never gives players any feedback at all on their performance good or bad, so it's understandable that new players won't be aware they aren't actually pulling their weight in Elite after all.
Don't be silly, the game tells them non-stop that they saved the day. Sometimes it even lays it on thick with profuse displays of gratitude or declarations of indebtedness to further illustrate how well the player supposedly did.
One knows this by getting one's *ss kicked! At that point, a normal person will realize he/she is not good enough (yet?) for the difficulty level they're playing on. Others, like the OP, whose egos cannot stomach the fact that they suck, will start to blame others.
Question: How can we get practical build advice put as a sticky to the top of the forum?
At least then it can be said there is an easy to read guide and they should read it. I know I would.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
One knows this by getting one's *ss kicked! At that point, a normal person will realize he/she is not good enough (yet?) for the difficulty level they're playing on. Others, like the OP, whose egos cannot stomach the fact that they suck, will start to blame others.
Question: How can we get practical build advice put as a sticky to the top of the forum?
At least then it can be said there is an easy to read guide and they should read it. I know I would.
You're asking the wrong person: I suck at ground. I'm sure skilled ground players could put something together, though, and then ask the CM to sticky it.
Hi personal feeling "there are no overpowered Players" just Players that have maxxed out the available gear, Selected the right path in the skill tree, completed the spec trees and selected the right rep and personal traits. And have a better understanding of the environment/map/STF they have joined. All this is something every single person who plays the game can get their hands on or learn, and the game allows it because that is it's design.
The only difference between 1 Player and the next in reality is reaction time and reading of the situation during combat.
So i'm sorry but if you get a AFK penalty because a better equipped Player has steam rolled through the content then you need to look at the gear/traits/skill tree and spec tree you have invested in.
No ones overpowered they just have the right tools the game gives them to complete the job.
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Yes you are complaining about it hence why YOU made THIS thread
You're complaining about someone that does exceptionally well while you did nothing in the match. You did so little that the game considered you AFK.
depends on the que - I was once going into premade tsc run [one of borg ques] as a warper and took it as a good oportunity to thest that theory out - on the very beginning I've go full reverse, contributed exacly 0 to dps scores and got flagged up for afk penalty
welp in defense of it's original statement with currect difficulty of elite ques adn powercreep goign quite well for quite a time it is quite possibel for exceptional player to clear everything fast enougth for others to simply not be able to contribute anything because of inability to even keep up with his movements
at this point OP had my sympathy although his later behaviour in this thread took it away I'm afraid.....
It goes the other way for me. I sit in queues like Gateway to Grethor advanced and when I park in a spot to keep a spawning portal in check while close enough to close 2 or 3 radiation gateways without moving someone comes along and closes the spawning portal I have in check and I have to move from my perfect lane clearing camping spot and I get grouchy. >_>
But he is not blaming the other player....at all. He is blaming the design of the game. He has done Elite before and knows he is capable of contributing his share, but due to power creep and design, he was not even able to provide his share or any share at all. That is a design problem. He meets the requirements to join and participate and give his share, but was not able to. Is it that hard to see the problem here?
thing is that at some treshold of gear you can actually overpower youself much enought to make others unable to keep up even wth that 1% of overall damage by basically killing everythign before they can go in - especially if some of them are unaware of ability to skip the cinematics
heck I think I could easilyy pull such thing off if I really wanted but this sort of overoptimisations goes into no-fun zone and I prefer personally to stay in the fun zone :P
I've heard of this, that people intentionally cripple themselves in order to "have fun". I can only explain this as a form of RP, but I may be missing something. Is it RP to you when you do this, when you intentionally play badly in order to "stay in the fun zone", or are you doing it for some other reason? If it is not RP, could you explain what it is?
Yeah, sometimes people just need a stiff dose of reality.. and this is it. Just because the OP did Elite Ques before doesn't mean he ever contributed anything to any of them. Sounds like he's been skating along contributing his 1% with his Maco Gear and this time the leeching didn't work out so now it's time to rage on the forum.
Seriously, if this was anything more then this, you would see many more occurrences of this "problem" but where are they? Nowhere. Why? Because it's not a real problem.
I disagree still. This is the same as those guys in space getting AFK... Because they were doing nothing. How can you do Elite content anywhere and do so little?
Even in Space where the Power Creep is super-strong, in the silliness of CCA where it can be beaten in seconds, how do people get AFK in there? By doing nothing. I can even rush into there and get 1 attack cycle in before the Entity is dead and I never get the penalty.
Ground Queued Content is not like that. It takes a while still and it's not like space where some BFAW-Cruiser using Evasive Manevuers to zip ahead and destroying everything in the area in seconds. Ground isn't like that.
Especially considering the game never gives players any feedback at all on their performance good or bad, so it's understandable that new players won't be aware they aren't actually pulling their weight in Elite after all.
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If you arent geared dont enter elite simple.
One knows this by getting one's *ss kicked!
Some people don't want to just steamroll everything as fast as possible to get a reward. Some people actually WANT a fight that lasts more than 2 seconds. For them, actually feeling like they EARNED that reward is fun. Not just "Bang! You're Dead. Give me my reward so I can move on", but an actual fight where one wrong move could hurt, but at the same time once you win it actually feels like you accomplished something.
There's more than one way to play. The current meta may be "It can't hurt you if its already dead", but it is not the only solution. No one needs to be Godly in combat to the point there's no challenge.
I myself enjoy a good fight. I want my victories to be earned. Not given to me on a silver platter. It means I have to learn how the enemy fights, and adapt new tactics to counter them. For example, most people probably don't know or care that Science Team is probably a good idea to have against Breen and Hirogen since they have Subnuc. Same goes for PvP. I don't want to just steamroll the opponent in a vape build. I want a fair fight where both sides have a chance to win. If I happen to overpower the other player, I EARNED that win. If they beat me, it was still a good fight because they EARNED that win because I didn't just roll over and die just by being looked at.
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Sorry Mr. Worf is going to sum this up for me.
If you're going to try elite, you better have the best of everything, otherwise keep your behind in advanced.
Star Trek Battles member. Want to roll with a good group of people regardless of fleets and not have to worry about DPS while doing STFs? Come join the channel and join in the fun!
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Grasshopper, only when you can defeat a Tactical Cube with a Bat'Leth will you be worthy to breath the same air as the Enlightened Ones.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
"You failed to do 1%...ONE FRAKING PERCENT of the damage. You did NOTHING for all intent and purposes. You deserve nothing. This is elite...act like somebody who has a clue please."
This reminds me of Willy Wonkas speech at the end....
I said good day sir!
Or go on the forums whining like a little biotch that things are OPed and need nerfing.
That's not because we were OP though. We were powerful, but mostly it was just players knowing what they're doing and supporting/covering each other so that shutting down the Iconian tech didn't take 3 or 4 times.
That's what you can, or rather should expect on Elite.
Don't be silly, the game tells them non-stop that they saved the day. Sometimes it even lays it on thick with profuse displays of gratitude or declarations of indebtedness to further illustrate how well the player supposedly did.
Question: How can we get practical build advice put as a sticky to the top of the forum?
At least then it can be said there is an easy to read guide and they should read it. I know I would.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
You're asking the wrong person: I suck at ground.
The only difference between 1 Player and the next in reality is reaction time and reading of the situation during combat.
So i'm sorry but if you get a AFK penalty because a better equipped Player has steam rolled through the content then you need to look at the gear/traits/skill tree and spec tree you have invested in.
No ones overpowered they just have the right tools the game gives them to complete the job.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.