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The Science Ship Build Thread

e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
Hello!

Since I started playing, I found it difficult to find dedicated discussions on Science builds. After several discussions in the game's chat about Science builds, I thought that maybe it would be nice to put all the builds together into one thread so that people will find it easier to find science builds and share ideas.

So let's start by defining what a Science ship is. As of this post, I'd say any ship with a Secondary Deflector is a Science ship. Preferably, I'd like to restrict the ships in this thread to those that do for now.

If you'd want to share your build, please follow the following format:
Ship Class/Tier - Your ship class and tier
Build Description - A short description of your build and what your build objectives are.
Link - Link to your build (Reddit /r/stobuilds or StoAcademy links welcome)

Any build is welcome. You can post your finished builds, work-in-progress builds or leveling builds. Don't limit yourself to DPS builds too. Science ships are pretty flexible so if you have a PVP build, healer build, drain build or CC build or any other build feel free to post them. The more variation we have, the better. :wink:

Looking forward to see all your builds! :smile:


I'll start by posting my current ships:

Fleet Long Range Science Vessel (Pathfinder)/Tier 6
Description
This is an end-game DPS build focusing on radiation, exotic damage and torpedos. Current best parse is 78k in ISA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/stobuilds/comments/3bzb0v/uss_curiosity_fleet_pathfinder_exotictorp_build/
Video

Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer (Vesta) Tier 5U
Description
This is an end-game DPS build focusing on radiation, exotic damage and torpedoes. The build aims to maximize DPS while still using all 3 of the Vesta Bundle consoles for some added fun factor. Current best parse is 73k in ISA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/stobuilds/comments/3liqhk/50k_science_vesta_torpedo_and_exotic_build_with/
Video


Edit:

Old cheat sheet (Spoilered to save space):
As a general cheat sheet for those building Science Ships, I'd like to quote this rather helpful post by @farseeridranel from his Science Skills at Peak Efficiency guide.
Here is a little guide for everyone out there who is flying a science vessel and is trying to get high numbers in the offensive science skills (flow capacitor [FC], particle generators [PG], graviton generators [GG], counter measure systems [CMS] and subspace decompiler [SD]). I try to put together what is needed for a theoretical maximum (e.g. by using the epic version) and the standard MK XII version of items.

Items for defensive science skills are shown in post #2.

Info about auxiliary power can be found in post #10

Particle generator [PG]

Particle generator is the skill that boosts the damage of the big science abilities gravity well and tyken's rift, but also of tractor beam, tractor beam repulsors and many other abilities including those from set boni and consoles, e.g. isometric charge. Recently particle generator received lots of attention and it is reasonably easy to achieve high numbers here, which works nicely together with the lvl 15 R&D trait particle manipulator (0.25% CrtH/1 PG --> 100 % CrtH at 400 PG)

The equipment with the highest values in PG (MK xII/MK XIV UR/epic):

deflector: Solanae set (35/50 at ur)

secondary deflectors with part gen bonus (+15), another +10 at epic rarity (+25 total)

engine/shield: 2 set bonus from reman or romulan set (17.5)

warp/singularity core: singularity cores can have [PrtG] as mod (17.5/20?)

Science consoles: 4 x romulan embassy consoles (31.9/37.5)

1 x R&D particle console (31.9/75 (with additional [PrtG] mod))

Engineering console: 1 x R&D RCS console with [PrtG] mod (31.9/37.5)

universal consoles: Nukara console (17.3/?)

Special: - Vesta console fermion field (+13.3 PG for 20 s)
- 2 piece set bonus from risian set (+25.5 PG) (there is no risian science vessel though, yet)


From abilities we can get +10-20 PG from EPtAux1-3

From traits we can get the trait astrophysicist (+10 PG) (available for most captains except caitan, ferasan, pakled and lethean)

A joined Trill as captain adds 6.7 to PG


The theoretical maximum, which includes 9 points in the PG captain skill is about 689 for 8 seconds. This requires a romulan vessel with [PG] singularity core, a captain with the astrophysicist trait, 5 science consoles, a lt. commander engineering (for EPtAux3), 3 x inspirational leader, 25 from Doff mission, fleet science booster and quantum singularity booster. I don't think such a science vessel exists (yet), thus, a Joined trill captain in a Scryer should reach the highest values at the moment.


Graviton generator [GG]

Who needs damage when he/she can pull the ships from the whole map into one gravity well? GG increases the pull strength of gravity well, the repel of photonic show wave etc.

The maximum possible number in GG can be achieved this way (MK XII/MK XIV ur/epic):

deflector: Romulan or reman set (39.4/45 at ur)

Secondary deflector with GG mod at MK XIV (+15)

Engine/shield: none

Warp/Singularity core: Singularity cores can have a [GG] mod (17.5/20?)

Science consoles: either 5x romulan embassy consoles (31.9/37.5) or 1 crafted particle field exciter with GG mod and 4 x embassy consoles

Engineering console: 1 x R&D RCS console with [GG] mod (31.9/37.5)

Universal console: assimilated console (23/x)
tachyokinetic converter (17.2/x)

special: 2 piece set bonus from risian set (25.5) (there is no risian science vessel though)

From abilities we can get +10-20 GG from EPtAux1-3

A joined Trill as captain adds 6.7 to GG


Flow capacitors [FC]

How about draining ship power and shields? Flow capacitors help a lot here. They work on the procs of tetryon and polaron weapons, tetryon glyder (from 2 piece omega set), tachyon beam, tykens rift, plamonic leech, charged particle burst and the shield drain from a Doffed tractor beam.

For a maximum in FC we need (MK XII/MK XIV ur/epic):

Deflector: Jem Hadar (26.2/30)
secondary deflector: solanae (13.3/x) or any other with [FlwC] at MK XIV (+15)

Engine/shields: none

sets: 2 piece bonus from Nukara weapon set (15.2)
2 piece bonus from apex predator set (15.2)

Warp/singularity core: none

Engineering consoles: R&D console with [Flow] (31.9/37.5)

Science consoles: 5 x romulan embassy consoles (31.9/37.5)

Universal consoles: Rule 62 (Ferengi console) (17.2/x)

Special: 2 piece set bonus from breen console set (35.5) (there is no breen science vessel though, yet)


Counter measure systems (CMS)

This skills works on Scramble and Jam sensors.

Deflector: Jem hadar (26.2/30) or reman/romulan deflector?

Engine/shields, Warp/singularity core, sets: none

Science consoles: 5 x romulan embassy consoles (31.9/37.5)

Universal consoles: ?

Special: 2 piece set bonus from breen console set (35.5) (there is no breen science vessel though, yet)


Subspace decompiler (SD)

Subspace decompiler increases disables (subsystem targeting, shock wave, viral matrix, tricobalt projectiles). This skill is the most expensive of the offensive science skills (9 ranks require 27 000 skill points; 9 ranks in FC requires 9000 for comparison) and there are no science consoles with SD mod or many items with this mod at all

deflector: romulan or reman (26.2/x)

secondary deflector with SD mod MK XIV +15

Engine/shield/warp core/singularity core/sets: none

Universal console: silent enemy (Elachi set) (17.2/x)

Joined trill captain (6.7)

From abilities we can get +10-20 SD from EPtAux1-3


other

constriction anchor console adds 23.8 % to exotic damage


In general:

There are some traits and devices that boost all of these skills:

- the trait inspirational leader (10 % chance for + 10 all skills, stacks up to 3 times)
- fleet science booster (+10 to science skills for x min)
- quantum singularity manipulation (+100 to science skills for 8 seconds, T5 romulan reputation)
- 9 ranks in the respective skill (+99)


Doff asignments

- There are assignments under "personal" that boost many skill by 25 for two hours on crit


Traits

Skills are not the only way to enhance science damage. A couple of traits help as well:

Conservation of energy (Science captain only): +10 % exotic damage when struck by energy weapons

particle manipulator (from R&D): 0.25 % CrtH for each point in PG (100% at 400 PG)

positive feedback loop (delta lock box): + 10% exotic damage when activating a healing ability

psychological warfare (Undine lock box): +20 % more pull/hold (Grav well etc)


Some ships have good traits for us:

enhanced particle generators (most science vessels): + 15 % exotic damage

Emitter synergy (Scryer science vessel): + 7.5 % more exotic damage when activating a tac/intel boff ability


Doffs:

Doffs don't increase damage or skills, but add effects or reduce cooldowns:

- deflector officer: reduce cooldown of gravity well, tykens rift, tachyon beam and energy siphon
- gravimetric scientist: - additional gravity wells (gravity well variant); additional tykens rifts (tykens variant); -10 s cooldown GW/TR (CD variant); adds radiation damage to charged particle burst (particle burst variant)
- tractor beam officer: add shield drain to tractor beam
- tractor beam officer: Voth, reverses tractor beam repulsors
- technician: Xindi, extra damage when using EPtAux (10% chance, 25 % extra dmg)
- warp theorist: decrease turn rate with tachyon beam
- warp theorist (Juel Ducane): Subsystem disable added to energy siphon
- energy weapons officer: reduce cooldown on subsystem targeting
- matter/antimatter specialist: Xindi, gravity well has chance to knock off engines
- biologist: scramble sensors reduces ability recharge time
- research lab scientist: placate with charged particle burst
- research lab scientist: Ocampa, tachyon beam pulls target
- photonic studies scientist: reduce cooldown on photonic abilities; additional photonic shockwave


Another piece of useful information: The Math behind cooldown reduction by @iusasset: https://redd.it/4cqdgd

Added on 1 Feb, 2017:
@lucho80's min-max drain thread.

@lucho80's min-max control thread.

@alcaatraz's Exotic Damage Calculator
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Wells Temporal Science Vessel T5U
    High Maneuverability-Exotic/Drain Combat Sci

    My Wells build prior to Sept 2015. 52k max (Pug Lyfe). Playing with the Temporal Warfare Set now and haven't tried for higher dps. Really like floating that line as a Kinetic/Beam Hybrid. Gives me lots of options on conventional weaponry (especially in Pvp with this loadout).While its not gonna make the 70k's, it is fun.

    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=ussshade20_8593 (Tac Toon)

    Current EPG/Drain Build - I regularly swap the Temporal Weapons for Polarons or Polarised Disruptors
    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/a7dcc119f3c596f62611c57a93065459 --Current is around 89k Mostly due to Pilot Error :P

    Romulan Caprimul DSD/T5U (Eng Toon)
    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=caprimulsurvaliancedestroyer_8593

    25k dps as tested prior to Sept 2015
    Currently around 60kdps (engineer + sci dps is hard..)

    Eternal Class Multi-Mission Science Vessel (Sci Toon)
    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/2f48fb2d0f67fa602ef2960c149b3240
    With Temporal Spec and Abilities 85k is nothing..
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 4,721 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    First of all, thanks for this thread OP. I look forward to learn here.

    Playing sci “properly” in STO is still "new" for me. My attempts so far are more or less escort/cruiser build copies onto a Sci ships which is wrong most likely. One of my scis uses a Recluse Nanny and found a good place in my gang (~30k DPS). The other flies an escort; I don’t mind that because the toon is speced and used for ground anyway and only sees CCA during events or ISA at most (~20k DPS).

    So let’s see about my only “real” Sci on a Sci ship. More or less. As tac at heart I picked the

    Fleet Experimental Science Vessel [T6] (Dauntless).


    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=zarlottesdauntless_9361

    The Build I ended up with is fun (and still makes me feel at home) to play. I get 30k out of bad and up to 40k out of good ISA runs so far. Since I was never able to decide for a “one and only” Sci role I like to pronounce I now have a crowed control, debuff, drain, healing mix. In pug runs it works just fine and in fact I like to use it there even over my 50-70k eng/tac- builds. Reason is the amount of flexibility for different situations related to the team and especially the “influence” you have with big grav wells. The ship is also fast.

    Weapons power is almost always up to 125% and aux just above 100%. Rest well over 75% for the AMP mod. Grav gens are at 220 and particle gens at 170; Rest is speced into flow caps for the leech and drain powers.

    Biggest question on my mind atm is to enhance the particle gens and perhaps even the grav gens with new research lab consoles and give up embassy ones? Another thought is to integrate repulsors with the reverse doff? I’m just afraid to die every few seconds then.

    I appreciate any advice of course but don’t see me rearranging from bottom to top for a torpedobuild or anything. Reason is that I have 8 other chars on my hands and Cryptic manages very well to see to it that they are an everlasting workshop.

    Game sucks at times when trying to maintain 9 endgame toons. Yet the in-game income out of PvE & Doffing is massive so alls fair.
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  • fatman592fatman592 Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    Here's my old build, cracked 40k (in true pugs) prior to all the plasma console nerfs. I really loved the feel of this boat; beamscorting around while casting space magic, then all that aggro really tested my skill at just staying alive. Then nerf after nerf hit my build, coupled with lag I ended up just going with other more durable ships.

    My build evolved, the pilot spec primary made my Fleet Dauntless too durable. And I put damage consoles on it. But overall the theme is the same. It's still a fun little ship. All I really want now is a T6 Nebula, Vesta or Wells.

    How do you 'Science' in STO, why you DPS of course...
  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    Thanks for sharing guys! Looking forward to more people sharing.
    Biggest question on my mind atm is to enhance the particle gens and perhaps even the grav gens with new research lab consoles and give up embassy ones? Another thought is to integrate repulsors with the reverse doff? I’m just afraid to die every few seconds then.

    I appreciate any advice of course but don’t see me rearranging from bottom to top for a torpedobuild or anything. Reason is that I have 8 other chars on my hands and Cryptic manages very well to see to it that they are an everlasting workshop.

    Game sucks at times when trying to maintain 9 endgame toons. Yet the in-game income out of PvE & Doffing is massive so alls fair.

    It really depends on what your objective is. If DPS is your main goal then Embassy Consoles might still be better because you are a beam boat. The reversed TBR is good, just be sure to pick your moments when you use it. The Biochemist that reduces threat whenever you cast a damaging exotic ability is good to have in this case too.

    I salute those who can maintain multiple end-game toons. I'm struggling enough with just one already! :blush:
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,592 Bug Hunter
    e30ernest wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing guys! Looking forward to more people sharing.
    Biggest question on my mind atm is to enhance the particle gens and perhaps even the grav gens with new research lab consoles and give up embassy ones? Another thought is to integrate repulsors with the reverse doff? I’m just afraid to die every few seconds then.

    I appreciate any advice of course but don’t see me rearranging from bottom to top for a torpedobuild or anything. Reason is that I have 8 other chars on my hands and Cryptic manages very well to see to it that they are an everlasting workshop.

    Game sucks at times when trying to maintain 9 endgame toons. Yet the in-game income out of PvE & Doffing is massive so alls fair.

    It really depends on what your objective is. If DPS is your main goal then Embassy Consoles might still be better because you are a beam boat. The reversed TBR is good, just be sure to pick your moments when you use it. The Biochemist that reduces threat whenever you cast a damaging exotic ability is good to have in this case too.

    I salute those who can maintain multiple end-game toons. I'm struggling enough with just one already! :blush:

    I have mult toons, but keep the PvP sci toon better than the PvE toon. Too hard to follow through on the grind for spec points to keep both up.

  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    lucho80 wrote: »
    I have mult toons, but keep the PvP sci toon better than the PvE toon. Too hard to follow through on the grind for spec points to keep both up.
    Would you mind sharing some of your PVP builds? Would add diversity to this thread. :smile:
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    What happened to science builds ? When I quite two years ago, there was all kind of builds used...now only particlegen exotic dmg spam with bfaw ? Pretty one dimensional if you ask me...I look forward to see any other modern builds used nowadays.
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    What happened to science builds ? When I quite two years ago, there was all kind of builds used...now only particlegen exotic dmg spam with bfaw ? Pretty one dimensional if you ask me...I look forward to see any other modern builds used nowadays.

    Two years ago you couldnt do 50k+ in a science ship. Today Particle gen is where sci ship get their exotic damage. Its where the damage in grav well is. Its where damage is in Tractor beam Repulsors,Deflector radiation,Tykens,Destabilized res beam,to some extent Feed back pulse. If its a damage ability its directly tied to prtg points and aux.Unless they chance how Sci abilities work,thats how its gonna be..Want more exotic damage= more points in prtg.More Drain= more flowcaps..



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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 4,721 Arc User
    e30ernest wrote: »
    It really depends on what your objective is. If DPS is your main goal then Embassy Consoles might still be better because you are a beam boat. The reversed TBR is good, just be sure to pick your moments when you use it. The Biochemist that reduces threat whenever you cast a damaging exotic ability is good to have in this case too.

    I salute those who can maintain multiple end-game toons. I'm struggling enough with just one already! :blush:

    Thank you for the advice, this is very much appreciated.
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    felisean wrote: »
    teamwork to reach a goal is awesome and highly appreciated
  • jaymclaughlinjaymclaughlin Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    e30ernest wrote: »
    lucho80 wrote: »
    I have mult toons, but keep the PvP sci toon better than the PvE toon. Too hard to follow through on the grind for spec points to keep both up.
    Would you mind sharing some of your PVP builds? Would add diversity to this thread. :smile:

    Here's mine... http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=scryerpvppartgen_6927
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  • emowootemowoot Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    Ì like the dps builds but for me a sci ship is for sci , a buddie of mine gave me a nice sci build crazzy grave gen build my items are not all complete yet but i am sitting at 375 grave etc and it just sucks in all the things so the dps guys aka the tac dudes can just go boom next xD if i want damage ill jsut play a tac guy but sci+grave wells = fun and destruction

    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=ggbuild450ggpulleverythingbestsci_0

  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,592 Bug Hunter
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    What happened to science builds ? When I quite two years ago, there was all kind of builds used...now only particlegen exotic dmg spam with bfaw ? Pretty one dimensional if you ask me...I look forward to see any other modern builds used nowadays.

    You can go two dimensional with the new R&D consoles. I'm building up a max grav gens and high part gens PvE boat. It's extremely effective. The other one that would be very effective would be a max flow caps and high part gens boat so Tyken's 3 packs a punch. Then there are the more funky combinations that might be possible depending on how many combinations are available. I could see a super shields and high drain kind of build.

  • darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,545 Media Corps
    I'll be taking notes from this thread. Thanks for starting it!
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    Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
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    I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,093 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    lucho80 wrote: »
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    What happened to science builds ? When I quite two years ago, there was all kind of builds used...now only particlegen exotic dmg spam with bfaw ? Pretty one dimensional if you ask me...I look forward to see any other modern builds used nowadays.

    You can go two dimensional with the new R&D consoles. I'm building up a max grav gens and high part gens PvE boat. It's extremely effective. The other one that would be very effective would be a max flow caps and high part gens boat so Tyken's 3 packs a punch. Then there are the more funky combinations that might be possible depending on how many combinations are available. I could see a super shields and high drain kind of build.

    The [Part Gens][+Flow] consoles, where flowcaps are the major stat-but listed second, have added a very nice bite to my Tyken's Rift. Flow caps are high but not maxed on the build as I'm using ship sets for + torpedo damage, + aux, and crew protection.

    I'm tinkering with a FBP build and thought the Restorative consoles could add some torpedo damage with the two shield and hull heals. However, I'm finding that I'm having to decide between generating threat using Embassy consoles-to power FBP's use, and stacking Restorative consoles.​​
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    The [Part Gens][+Flow] consoles, where flowcaps are the major stat-but listed second, have added a very nice bite to my Tyken's Rift. Flow caps are high but not maxed on the build as I'm using ship sets for + torpedo damage, + aux, and crew protection.

    I'm tinkering with a FBP build and thought the Restorative consoles could add some torpedo damage with the two shield and hull heals. However, I'm finding that I'm having to decide between generating threat using Embassy consoles-to power FBP's use, and stacking Restorative damage consoles.​​[/quote]

    So the Sheild/Hull heals are to cover for the 15 second gap 2 Copies of FBP has? If So go for it.. I can say that with 4 of the 150% threat Gen embassy consoles,you can pull threat from a 50k player pretty easily..Only problem I had was my ship couldnt live through that kinda punishment.


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  • coruunascoruunas Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    What happened to science builds ? When I quite two years ago, there was all kind of builds used...now only particlegen exotic dmg spam with bfaw ? Pretty one dimensional if you ask me...I look forward to see any other modern builds used nowadays.

    I've been putting this one together for a couple of weeks, posted it in another area but got little interest. Drain torpedo build T5-U Nebula, emphasis on single target elimination. Called it a support build with a nasty sucker punch.
    Most testing done in Argala Advanced, there was seeing hit's up to 112K. Still need to work on my piloting and upgrading my gear to make those hits a little more frequent.

    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=draintorpnebula_0



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  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,093 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    The [Part Gens][+Flow] consoles, where flowcaps are the major stat-but listed second, have added a very nice bite to my Tyken's Rift. Flow caps are high but not maxed on the build as I'm using ship sets for + torpedo damage, + aux, and crew protection.

    I'm tinkering with a FBP build and thought the Restorative consoles could add some torpedo damage with the two shield and hull heals. However, I'm finding that I'm having to decide between generating threat using Embassy consoles-to power FBP's use, and stacking Restorative damage consoles.

    So the Sheild/Hull heals are to cover for the 15 second gap 2 Copies of FBP has? If So go for it.. I can say that with 4 of the 150% threat Gen embassy consoles,you can pull threat from a 50k player pretty easily..Only problem I had was my ship couldnt live through that kinda punishment.[/quote]

    The intention was that the heals, there are actually five so far-I forgot one, potentially add weapon damage that is lacking from the Resonating Secondary Deflector. But the heals and buff add shield resistance per the description of the Secondary Deflector. FBP 3 and 2 are the central powers and two copies-for now, of Photonic Officer (I'm trying to grind out a purple Photonic Shockwave cd doff and, if I can, a purple FBP damage resistance doff) help in reducing cd's. I'm running with the Temporal Negotiator, and the Capacitor from the Temporal Core to help lower cd's if needed.

    I pulled out the mothballed Ablative Generator, I'm using an Intrepid, for damage resistance. I'm paying attention to cooldown rates, piloting and damage now; and wishing upgrading was cheaper.​​
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  • coruunascoruunas Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    Well I'm not sure how viable it'll be, but I was testing something along the lines of a "porcupine" build.

    A science vessel with a heavy hull, something like a Nebula or a ha'nom so it can take bit more of a beating.
    Primarly using feedback pulse with its attendant doffs, FAW 1 to get attention, with high threat control. APD.

    The basic Idea is to pull them in so they can be rapidly debuffed and your team can pick em off even faster.

    I don't really have any builds yet for it, seemed promising during an Argala advanced test but the character was really undergeared and I'm not sure how it would hold up in an STF or DSE.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    coruunas wrote: »
    Well I'm not sure how viable it'll be, but I was testing something along the lines of a "porcupine" build.

    A science vessel with a heavy hull, something like a Nebula or a ha'nom so it can take bit more of a beating.
    Primarly using feedback pulse with its attendant doffs, FAW 1 to get attention, with high threat control. APD.

    The basic Idea is to pull them in so they can be rapidly debuffed and your team can pick em off even faster.

    I don't really have any builds yet for it, seemed promising during an Argala advanced test but the character was really undergeared and I'm not sure how it would hold up in an STF or DSE.

    Thats a fun build to run against npcs who use beam overload. Like a few of the Voth or Undine ships.Ive seen hits as high as 300k.That was before the change to the particle manipulator trait.Basically with the crit it was like a 20x-25x reflect. Had to use ACT to determine the hit to shields and hull and the corresponding reflect.


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  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    coruunas wrote: »
    Well I'm not sure how viable it'll be, but I was testing something along the lines of a "porcupine" build.

    A science vessel with a heavy hull, something like a Nebula or a ha'nom so it can take bit more of a beating.
    Primarly using feedback pulse with its attendant doffs, FAW 1 to get attention, with high threat control. APD.

    The basic Idea is to pull them in so they can be rapidly debuffed and your team can pick em off even faster.

    I don't really have any builds yet for it, seemed promising during an Argala advanced test but the character was really undergeared and I'm not sure how it would hold up in an STF or DSE.

    I've been thinking about porcupine builds lately. Does FBP base its damage on the final damage dealt to you or the base damage of the weapon fired at you? Might be fun to do on a Vesta since it can reflect kinetic damage as well. That is, if running resistance consoles won't ruin the reflect damage.
  • coruunascoruunas Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    I think it's any directed energy damage to shields, amount based on aux power and part gens. Speaking of reflection anyone know if the doff for polarize hull plating stacks with the FBP damage or did they rig it so one overrides the other?

    Gonna hold off on develping my torp/drain build for nebula until theirs a t6 variant (I suspect one is coming likely bundled with rom and kling t6 science). Transferring that build to my surveillance vesta. Does the quaatum field focus phaser damage get boosted by things like the counter command ordnance set or protonic arsenal?
  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    coruunas wrote: »
    I think it's any directed energy damage to shields, amount based on aux power and part gens. Speaking of reflection anyone know if the doff for polarize hull plating stacks with the FBP damage or did they rig it so one overrides the other?

    Gonna hold off on develping my torp/drain build for nebula until theirs a t6 variant (I suspect one is coming likely bundled with rom and kling t6 science). Transferring that build to my surveillance vesta. Does the quaatum field focus phaser damage get boosted by things like the counter command ordnance set or protonic arsenal?

    It gets boosted by +Phaser consoles as well as PartGs so Counter Command boosts it, but not Protonic Arsenal.

  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    e30ernest wrote: »
    coruunas wrote: »
    I've been thinking about porcupine builds lately. Does FBP base its damage on the final damage dealt to you or the base damage of the weapon fired at you? Might be fun to do on a Vesta since it can reflect kinetic damage as well. That is, if running resistance consoles won't ruin the reflect damage.

    FBP is AUX and PartG dependant. Typically, @ 407 prtg and 113 aux I sit at 1.1 (110%) reflect on FBP1.
    8 ponits in Aux and 37.5partg= Around 10% increase in FBP refect numbers. The Pre-Resist Energy Damage that hits the sheilds is whats reflected back to the attacker. However, everytime I look at CLR, It shows my opponents have a fixed default of 50% resistance.
    Theres a doff that can lower this by 15, but its only a 12% chance while FBP is up.

    Also..For the same Aux and PartG, I belive the Graviton Sheild starts at a higher reflect that FBP. Mine shows 1.1x-1.8x across FBP abilitys,The Shield (on mine) starts at 2.5. Its also boosted by APA and TF3 quickly to 4.1x (410%).. Too bad its got such a long cooldown..
    coruunas wrote: »
    I think it's any directed energy damage to shields, amount based on aux power and part gens. Speaking of reflection anyone know if the doff for polarize hull plating stacks with the FBP damage or did they rig it so one overrides the other?

    They can be used at the same time. Its a usefull trick to have the doff slotted as it looks like FBP is up even tho its a 5% chance (Every 3 seconds during Pol Hull) to reflect a fixed .25 (25%). The Doffed Pol hull doesnt seem to be affected by Aux or Partg on its own unfortunatly..
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Several other reflect abilites as well..Just not as trustworthy.


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  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    Yeah the multiplier for damage reflected I know, but the actual damage multiplied, is it final incoming or base (prior to resists)? Like if running a high resistance build, would that gimp reflect abilities despite high PartGs?
  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,375 Arc User
    This is my current build:

    skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=usselysianshadow_5576

    Manages to come consistently 1st place is CCA which is an improvement over the Fleet Pathfinder I was using before this which always came 3rd.

    I have no idea what the DPS is but i'd guess it's at least between 10-20K based purely on how effective it feels and depending on the map. I'd not be surprised if it can hit even higher in a really NPC heavy environment.

    Basically tried to fit as many particle gen attacks as possible but with good crowd control as well. I may even drop on tac console to slot the Isometric charge console for an extra attack.
    My main tactic is to take advantage of the full intel tree, especially all the flanking bonuses. Get behind the enemy whilst cloaked -> sensor analysis->APA->ionic turbulence->GW3->TS2 + Isokinetic cannon + Resonance beam, Tykens rift to follow.
    Combined with all that it's possible to hold of the nanites in ISA indefinitely or at least long enough to kill them or everyone else to nuke the transformer without any big issues.
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Yea 1st in CCA ain't hard when ya got all da heals. I've done 75kdps (the only guy that high) in a CCA and still got 3rd :smile:

    Try an Isa run,you might get higher than 20k


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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,592 Bug Hunter

    The [Part Gens][+Flow] consoles, where flowcaps are the major stat-but listed second, have added a very nice bite to my Tyken's Rift. Flow caps are high but not maxed on the build as I'm using ship sets for + torpedo damage, + aux, and crew protection.

    I'm tinkering with a FBP build and thought the Restorative consoles could add some torpedo damage with the two shield and hull heals. However, I'm finding that I'm having to decide between generating threat using Embassy consoles-to power FBP's use, and stacking Restorative damage consoles.​​
    coruunas wrote: »
    Well I'm not sure how viable it'll be, but I was testing something along the lines of a "porcupine" build.

    A science vessel with a heavy hull, something like a Nebula or a ha'nom so it can take bit more of a beating.
    Primarly using feedback pulse with its attendant doffs, FAW 1 to get attention, with high threat control. APD.

    The basic Idea is to pull them in so they can be rapidly debuffed and your team can pick em off even faster.

    I don't really have any builds yet for it, seemed promising during an Argala advanced test but the character was really undergeared and I'm not sure how it would hold up in an STF or DSE.

    There is a polarize hull damage reflection doff. Lay it thick with the reflection trait and the Nukara shield.


  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,093 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    lucho80 wrote: »

    The [Part Gens][+Flow] consoles, where flowcaps are the major stat-but listed second, have added a very nice bite to my Tyken's Rift. Flow caps are high but not maxed on the build as I'm using ship sets for + torpedo damage, + aux, and crew protection.

    I'm tinkering with a FBP build and thought the Restorative consoles could add some torpedo damage with the two shield and hull heals. However, I'm finding that I'm having to decide between generating threat using Embassy consoles-to power FBP's use, and stacking Restorative damage consoles.​​
    coruunas wrote: »
    Well I'm not sure how viable it'll be, but I was testing something along the lines of a "porcupine" build.

    A science vessel with a heavy hull, something like a Nebula or a ha'nom so it can take bit more of a beating.
    Primarly using feedback pulse with its attendant doffs, FAW 1 to get attention, with high threat control. APD.

    The basic Idea is to pull them in so they can be rapidly debuffed and your team can pick em off even faster.

    I don't really have any builds yet for it, seemed promising during an Argala advanced test but the character was really undergeared and I'm not sure how it would hold up in an STF or DSE.

    There is a polarize hull damage reflection doff. Lay it thick with the reflection trait and the Nukara shield.

    Thanks for the info. It would be great if the doff % chance was >5% and the shield chance was >1%. But a reflection build would be very interesting. I'm trying the trait out; it would be nice if it had a different color and higher proc rate.
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