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make the borg great again

I think they should make the Borg the big enemy as it always was has in star trek right now they seem like the least worked on, their not as cool as they used to be.
So i think we should give the Borg some love and make the Borg great again
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    tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    *imagines a portly Borg with a puff of blonde hair blooming from the top of it's head, standing on a soap box*

    "We are the Torg. You shall be great again. Resistance is futile, so futile. It's a beautiful thing... so beautiful."
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,101 Arc User
    Mirror Borg ? Sneaking into our universe for some easy kills? :O
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    Typhoon Class please!
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    xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,114 Arc User
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    boachevboachev Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    "No drone, no drone, YOU'RE the drone!"

    Yeah... the downfall of the Borg that started in Voyager has continued into STO. I think back when the Borg Red Alert first went live it was something almost special, definitely felt like I was trying to unite with other captains to defeat an overwhelming terror. Especially when that cigar ship showed up and things got real. Had to be consistently mindful of the regeneration probes trying to heal the doomtube, while also keeping an eye out for the vaporizing energy balls of death.

    Now? Now everyone just pumps out so much damage that cubes melt in seconds and there's no strategy left to defeat the cigar: just shoot it until it dies, basically ignore everything else. I've had literally one Borg RA since September that was actually challenging, and some of the most fun I've had in STO. Entire team was compromised of characters just starting to reach endgame, no one with crazy DPS builds. As soon as I realized what was going on (everyone had grown accustomed to players being able to just kill it in seconds and didn't know the old strategy) I switched back to the old ways of fighting it, informing others to kill the regen probes when they saw them and avoiding/shooting down the energy balls of death.

    It worked, and we finally managed to take the big TRIBBLE down... with literally one second left on the clock.



    And that was the kind of "epic" experience I love from the Borg, but it's also one that I haven't had all that often. Sadly, powercreep has sapped some of the fun out of the "MMO" part of an otherwise stellar (pun intended) RPG.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    So you want to change the Borg from green to orange and give them all red hats?
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    i2hellfirei2hellfire Member Posts: 27 Arc User
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    bossheisenbergbossheisenberg Member Posts: 603 Arc User
    Yeah I've noticed that in Fed Fleet Alert, the borg are the easiest of all the enemies, pretty much the opposite of canon.
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Build a neutral zone and make the Undine pay for it.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,101 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    Build a neutral zone and make the Undine pay for it.

    #Undinelivesmatter
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    Typhoon Class please!
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    anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    There are more than 3 million illegal Borg in STO... We need to deport them all.
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    thay8472 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Build a neutral zone and make the Undine pay for it.

    #Undinelivesmatter

    Some, I assume are good monsters. But fluidic space isn't sending its best.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,101 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Build a neutral zone and make the Undine pay for it.

    #Undinelivesmatter

    Some, I assume are good monsters. But fluidic space isn't sending its best.

    Your nation is corrupt. We know about the Borg Queen's email leak from an unsecured unicomplex!
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    Typhoon Class please!
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    tremere12tremere12 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    In all seriousness I agree. The borg are constantly adapting, so they have to make some comeback. I have the feeling they won't be forgotten though.
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    sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Mirror Borg ? Sneaking into our universe for some easy kills? :O

    This feels a little cheesey after we (relatively) recently wrapped up a Mirror Universe arc, but at the same time, that sounds like a very serious threat that I'd love to challenge.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,345 Arc User
    Give the Borg Feedback Pulse and some ability to once again adapt to energy weapons, then watch the rage. I'm am being serious too. In space they haven't been a threat for many years now.
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    starcruiser#3423 starcruiser Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    We need BORG 2.0 please. We already have T5>T6 and soon T7...time to work on BORG 2.0 the ultimate nemesis!
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Mirror Borg ? Sneaking into our universe for some easy kills? :O

    I always envisioned mirror borg as sort of a galactic police, defenders of the weak type deal that only assimilated aggressive factions and willing volunteers
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    omgwtf1236omgwtf1236 Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Give the Borg Feedback Pulse and some ability to once again adapt to energy weapons, then watch the rage. I'm am being serious too. In space they haven't been a threat for many years now.

    i would add an ability so they could assimilate your ship and use it ageist other people
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,101 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Mirror Borg ? Sneaking into our universe for some easy kills? :O

    I always envisioned mirror borg as sort of a galactic police, defenders of the weak type deal that only assimilated aggressive factions and willing volunteers

    I imagined them along the lines of 'Shoot first, assimilate later and adapt very slowly." Of course we'll need a Borg King.
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    asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    Honestly it would not take much to make the borg a threat, and I am sure they could come up with a story arc to explain how it might have happened. For me give them a stacking buff/debuff mechanic that gives them back the idea of them being able to adapt once more to our ships, which could work that they impose either a shield pen or shield hardness de-buff on their primary target, while they also gain a buff that improves their own shield's an also hull's resistance/hardness against the most common type of energy damage being used against them. Add in some counter play to this via using different boff/captain abilities that reduce/negate/wipe these debuffs/buffs an that would make the Borg more interesting to fight against. Now this mechanic idea to improve the Borg is doable, but how welcome a change it would be, as well as how possible it is the devs would do it is up in the air.
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    kyle223catkyle223cat Member Posts: 584 Arc User
    I'm hoping for some kind of revamp to old sets like the famous assimilated set. Maybe they could give it a warp core and a minor boost to the 2 piece set bonus and a major boost to the 3 piece set bonus. That would be totally awesome. :)
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    lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    The reason China doesn't have any Borg is because China has a huge wall.
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    thestargazethestargaze Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    The Borg are to easy these days. They really should revamp the battle zone and the stfs.
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    asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    lindaleff wrote: »
    The reason China doesn't have any Borg is because China has a huge wall.

    Na china are just proto Borg, they assimilate everything they come in contact with, just have yet to fully assimilate any large scale machinery yet.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,020 Community Moderator
    The Borg are an overused enemy in most TNG era games.
    • Star Trek: Armada - main antagonist
    • Star Trek: Armada II - major antagonist of the Fed campaign
    • Star Trek: Borg - main antagonist
    • Star Trek Away Team - one mission enemy at least
    • Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force - couple missions with Borg
    • Star Trek Elite Force II - First enemy of the game
    • Star Trek Legacy - main antagonist
    • Star Trek: Starfleet Command III - not in main story, but a free play faction
    • Star Trek Online - The first major endgame antagonist, has their own arc, and features in the tutorial and has the Defera Invasion Zone

    I don't find the Borg to be an awe inspiring enemy after all these encounters across multiple platforms. If anything... they've gotten a bit stale as a TNG era antagonist due to overexposure.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    omgwtf1236 wrote: »
    I think they should make the Borg the big enemy as it always was has in star trek right now they seem like the least worked on, their not as cool as they used to be.
    So i think we should give the Borg some love and make the Borg great again

    I strongly disagree. If we stick to canon the Borg were only an obstacle in the beginning when they were new in the TNG era. Later on we clearly saw a strong Star Fleet dealing easily with a Borg cube during First Contact. By the time of Voyager’s finale End Game we had a single Federation ship one shooting fleets of cubes on its own.

    Given the fact that STO is set in that time or even thereafter the Borg are implemented precisely as they should be.

    We could use an elite mode of the classic borg STF, yes, but other than a transition of HSE critter values to compensate for power creep is not really wanted here. Given the popularity of the Borg STF over the others I strongly advice against any changes that address the core mechanics of those maps as well as fighting this opponent.
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