Sigh. I was really hoping neither of the "geometric" designs would win. They look like something I'd expect from the Tholians or the 31st century Federation, not a newly warp-capable race taking their first baby steps beyond their solar system.
Honestly, I would have been happier if they stuck with the "generic science vessel" they used for the Concordium. Not everything has to be sleek and shiny.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
None of the designs were spectacular. All just flying pancakes of various shapes. Not sure if that was planned 'story-wise' or is just super easy to animate.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I hope its a well rounded starship when it comes to its Admiralty Card.
The Rising of the Delta is the best expansion ever, and people love it to death because it is a good day to die in the endless struggle for supremacy of your own conviction. (A spin off of the Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and all the players love it.)
I seen those. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2W0HkzgE2Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvh9EAshVCs
As I mentioned, some of these are, in fact, our own, created from salvaged Et tech from downed vessels (from what I heard, we got EMP, scalar weapons in orbit, since at least the 60s....and considering our government keeps tending to 'lose' several trillion dollars every so often, I believe this is what they spend it on, and many military, and ex-military personal are coming foreword, disregarding their secrecy oaths, wanting to the right thing and come clean with what they saw and been told) which can bring down crafts, and so, the military industrial complex has, committed murder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3MrDXMSFAw ) I feel some of them, are made and run by our own black ops, the guys who feel they are above the law and above the government of the people, a real life Section 31, as it were, but for far more self serving purposes.
And, before anyone laughs, giggle or posts some infantile meme ridiculing the entire thing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kz-DKE5wWo Stop and think about all this for a bit. ~curtsy~
Anyhow, I can not wait for this ship to come into the game...wonder when and how one gets it.
Hm I would have preferred Charlie, the saucer ship. It's not really fair to say that we already have it; the Galaxy's saucer may look like it, but it's not a playable ship on its own.
Anyway, I can live with this. I usually don't really make use of alien ships for a longer time anyway so these ships are just fun to fly a couple of times every now and then. Which will probably work equally well with Alpha.
I am curious though... I would have thought that this would be the Winter event ship but apparently it's the ship for the next Anniversary. Wondering what the Winter event ship will be then.
As for #TeamAlpha winning, I say gratz for them although I voted for #TeamCharlie. Since this ship is going to be an Anniversary ship, and we already got almost all the Breen ships for the Winter, and I have a feeling we'll get at least 2 more Vorgon ships for the Summer event, the Winter event ship question is a damn good one. I am really hoping the Winter event ships are not going to be a rehash of past Winter Breen ships. If that is the case, Then the Winter event will be worth skipping. I, personally, would love to have a new unique ship we haven't gotten before, or as a Q's gift, a chance to get each of the past event ships that was previously unattainable.
Even better would be the Gold Nandi that most of the players never got the chance to claim.
I missed out on all the past Breen ships. If they bring them back(I really hope they do), I definitely want them, and would grind until I'm worn to bone powder to get my hands on all of them.
I hope its a well rounded starship when it comes to its Admiralty Card.
What's a 'dorito pope'? o.o
Geoff Keighley, for being sponsored by Doritos and there was a massive scandal about that a long time ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away.
The Rising of the Delta is the best expansion ever, and people love it to death because it is a good day to die in the endless struggle for supremacy of your own conviction. (A spin off of the Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and all the players love it.)
There's always that one guy who makes excuses about the vote somehow being a flawed application of democracy when the vote doesn't go his way.
To be fair, there -are- better ways of doing an election than just throwing three things into a first past the post arrangement. For example, they could've dropped the lowest performer and redone the election with the two highest. (Sort of like a transferrable vote election) Not saying we'd have a different outcome necessarily, but we'd have less doubt about what the players wanted.
Democracies work better when the people have confidence in the legitimacy of the winner.
In an ideal situation, everyone would have ranked the options based on which they liked more. You would choose a first choice, second choice, etc. Then they would count up all the first votes and see who lost, that ship's out. Then all those votes go to their voter's second choice, add them up, and see who lost. Continue with this until you have a winner. The only reason this isn't done anywhere is because it would be too time consuming to do without a machine to do it for you. (Though that excuse is disappearing, with the rise of computers.)
This actually is a really interesting topic. And I have to disagree, your system isn't ideal. Nor is any other. Because "preference" with more than 2 options isn't transitive at all, there just isn't an "ideal" system. (Not being transitive means: if more people prefer A than B and more people prefer B to C it DOESN'T necessarily follow, that a majority will prefer A to C) It depends on many factors, but yes, the system will change the outcome.
But a quick'n'dirty example to show you where your system (as it is done at the Olympics as an example) will break down: Assuming 10000 voters, with the following preferences:
4999 liked Alpha best, followed by Foxtrot, then in descending order Delta, Charlie, Beta, Echo
2500 preferred BFDCEA
1250 CFDEBA
625 DFECBA
314 EFADCB
312 FEDCBA
In the first round F will drop out, giving their votes in the next round to E, which is there second choice. So B will have 626 votes, which will edge out D's 625, collecting their votes as well, and so on. In the end, E will beat A 5001:4999
So E wins, which:
- only about 3% of players preferred
- almost 9 in 10 players considered below median (bottom three)
- would lose every head-to-head vote, except against A, by a landslide
A, which almost 50% in a 6-way race already preferred, won't get elected, neither would F, which would however win every head-to-head, so with the system as it was always reach the 2nd round.
This doesn't mean the system you're suggesting is bad, there just is no ideal system. Also, it would invite people to "strategic voting", i. e. not voting your real preferences to increase the chances of the candidate of your choice winning. (One of the few system that does not allow for that is a single-poll as most elections are. There "strategic voting" exists, too, if you want to add the aspect of somebody NOT winning as a goal - "the lesser evil" - but if you only cared about your candidate winning, you should always vote for him. In your system, you may NOT want to vote for your preferred choice to increase the chance of getting what you want)
As you can also gather from this example, the order in which the single votes of the first round were set up. Let's say in a 4-way the preference groups ABCD, BCDA, CDAB, and DABC are all one fourth of the player base.
If you pitted A-B and C-D in the first round, you'd get a final A vs C (which ties, or is decided by somebody randomly not voting), but if the first round were A-D and B-C, you'd get the final B vs D...
So no, whatever they choose, somebody can complain. Yes, some systems are clearly broken, this one isn't. (And neither would your suggestion be). And every sytem can get results that seem intuitively moronic.
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I voted for the ones that didn't look like things I've seen in real life. In A vs. B I voted for the one that didn't look like a boomerang (or batarang as some called it), In C vs. D I voted for the one that didn't look like an Oldsmobile's hood ornament and in E vs F I voted for the one that didn't look like a lightsaber handle. Of the three votes only the last one disappointed me as obviously the lightsaber handle won that round. Thankfully it didn't win the final round.
You know, they could've just chosen the ship for us, and not let us vote at all. I am looking forward to flying alpha. Beta was another favorite of mine. I hope we get a saucer at some point, though. About the winter ship, I hope it's Ferengi.
Look at it, triangular shape, the 'globes' that seem to serve as nacelles, the bubble for a command deck - it's made to echo the Wells, Chronos, and other 26th century ships. It seems that for a newly warp-exploratory race, the Lukari will become a major influence on ship design over the next hundred years or so...
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^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
All the Dorito remarks, I'm surprised no one's made a joke about the bussard collectors/ramscoops/Lukari equivilent thereof and "chips and dip"...
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
None of the designs were spectacular. All just flying pancakes of various shapes. Not sure if that was planned 'story-wise' or is just super easy to animate.
This.
Like the Fed carrier design choice before, the first thing I noticed is how similar all them were. In the carrier case, it was fat single hull and four nacelles, I think in every case.
This time, simple geometric shapes mostly in 2-dimensions, i.e. flat.
It's amazing really how little choice these things give us. I would have loved to see something that looked like a ship made from a kid's tinker toy design. Maybe something mostly in the vertical plane. But no, all flat geometric ships.
All of you were wrong to vote for this ridiculous hideous ****** ship. Rigged election, what happened to the results from Twitter, facebook, and the other social medias with the hashtags and what not.
Prolly be a ***** science ship for all the ***** that voted for it. Even though last anniversary was a science ship. Hope you are all very happy.
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Yeah, I didn't really care... not like I'll actually fly any of them anyway.
They were all hideous.
not a bad idea could use the card for the admiralty system
Honestly, I would have been happier if they stuck with the "generic science vessel" they used for the Concordium. Not everything has to be sleek and shiny.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
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I hope its a well rounded starship when it comes to its Admiralty Card.
I seen those.
As I mentioned, some of these are, in fact, our own, created from salvaged Et tech from downed vessels (from what I heard, we got EMP, scalar weapons in orbit, since at least the 60s....and considering our government keeps tending to 'lose' several trillion dollars every so often, I believe this is what they spend it on, and many military, and ex-military personal are coming foreword, disregarding their secrecy oaths, wanting to the right thing and come clean with what they saw and been told) which can bring down crafts, and so, the military industrial complex has, committed murder.
And, before anyone laughs, giggle or posts some infantile meme ridiculing the entire thing,
Anyhow, I can not wait for this ship to come into the game...wonder when and how one gets it.
What's a 'dorito pope'? o.o
I missed out on all the past Breen ships. If they bring them back(I really hope they do), I definitely want them, and would grind until I'm worn to bone powder to get my hands on all of them.
Geoff Keighley, for being sponsored by Doritos and there was a massive scandal about that a long time ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away.
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To be fair, there -are- better ways of doing an election than just throwing three things into a first past the post arrangement. For example, they could've dropped the lowest performer and redone the election with the two highest. (Sort of like a transferrable vote election) Not saying we'd have a different outcome necessarily, but we'd have less doubt about what the players wanted.
Democracies work better when the people have confidence in the legitimacy of the winner.
This actually is a really interesting topic. And I have to disagree, your system isn't ideal. Nor is any other. Because "preference" with more than 2 options isn't transitive at all, there just isn't an "ideal" system. (Not being transitive means: if more people prefer A than B and more people prefer B to C it DOESN'T necessarily follow, that a majority will prefer A to C) It depends on many factors, but yes, the system will change the outcome.
But a quick'n'dirty example to show you where your system (as it is done at the Olympics as an example) will break down: Assuming 10000 voters, with the following preferences:
4999 liked Alpha best, followed by Foxtrot, then in descending order Delta, Charlie, Beta, Echo
2500 preferred BFDCEA
1250 CFDEBA
625 DFECBA
314 EFADCB
312 FEDCBA
In the first round F will drop out, giving their votes in the next round to E, which is there second choice. So B will have 626 votes, which will edge out D's 625, collecting their votes as well, and so on. In the end, E will beat A 5001:4999
So E wins, which:
- only about 3% of players preferred
- almost 9 in 10 players considered below median (bottom three)
- would lose every head-to-head vote, except against A, by a landslide
A, which almost 50% in a 6-way race already preferred, won't get elected, neither would F, which would however win every head-to-head, so with the system as it was always reach the 2nd round.
This doesn't mean the system you're suggesting is bad, there just is no ideal system. Also, it would invite people to "strategic voting", i. e. not voting your real preferences to increase the chances of the candidate of your choice winning. (One of the few system that does not allow for that is a single-poll as most elections are. There "strategic voting" exists, too, if you want to add the aspect of somebody NOT winning as a goal - "the lesser evil" - but if you only cared about your candidate winning, you should always vote for him. In your system, you may NOT want to vote for your preferred choice to increase the chance of getting what you want)
As you can also gather from this example, the order in which the single votes of the first round were set up. Let's say in a 4-way the preference groups ABCD, BCDA, CDAB, and DABC are all one fourth of the player base.
If you pitted A-B and C-D in the first round, you'd get a final A vs C (which ties, or is decided by somebody randomly not voting), but if the first round were A-D and B-C, you'd get the final B vs D...
So no, whatever they choose, somebody can complain. Yes, some systems are clearly broken, this one isn't. (And neither would your suggestion be). And every sytem can get results that seem intuitively moronic.
I hope they release a Ranch flavor or Spicy Sweet Chili.
This shape is NOT fully trilateral symmetrical, it has slight curves at the rear.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Dunno about curves, but the engine trails kinda spoil the surprise there.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
This.
Like the Fed carrier design choice before, the first thing I noticed is how similar all them were. In the carrier case, it was fat single hull and four nacelles, I think in every case.
This time, simple geometric shapes mostly in 2-dimensions, i.e. flat.
It's amazing really how little choice these things give us. I would have loved to see something that looked like a ship made from a kid's tinker toy design. Maybe something mostly in the vertical plane. But no, all flat geometric ships.
Prolly be a ***** science ship for all the ***** that voted for it. Even though last anniversary was a science ship. Hope you are all very happy.
Admiralty and dismiss indeed.
I remember that. I'm naming mine USS Keighley or perhaps give it the Counter Command shield visuals and call it USS Dew.