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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    So, she could be the lead actress...

    I hope that is the case, if for no other reason than THAT would likely get the ball rolling on the rest of the cast.

    Apparently not...

    http://deadline.com/2016/11/star-trek-discovery-michelle-yeoh-cast-captain-1201859554/

    She's going to be the Captain of another important ship in the series.
    B)

    No, Meyer said she's going to be cast as a "recurring captain", but remember that the captain of USS Discovery is not going to be the primary viewpoint character. It's still possible she's the CO.


    From the article...

    "We hear that Yeoh has been cast as Han Bo and her ship is the Shenzhou. The Yeoh-run spacecraft is set to play a big role in Discovery‘s first season."

    B)

    My bad, I saw a different version of the story that wasn't as specific.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    starswordc wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    So, she could be the lead actress...

    I hope that is the case, if for no other reason than THAT would likely get the ball rolling on the rest of the cast.

    Apparently not...

    http://deadline.com/2016/11/star-trek-discovery-michelle-yeoh-cast-captain-1201859554/

    She's going to be the Captain of another important ship in the series.
    B)

    No, Meyer said she's going to be cast as a "recurring captain", but remember that the captain of USS Discovery is not going to be the primary viewpoint character. It's still possible she's the CO.


    From the article...

    "We hear that Yeoh has been cast as Han Bo and her ship is the Shenzhou. The Yeoh-run spacecraft is set to play a big role in Discovery‘s first season."

    B)

    My bad, I saw a different version of the story that wasn't as specific.

    It's been an ongoing developing story since Nick Meyers let it slip the other day.


    What amazes me is that they still haven't decided on who is going to play the key character in the series.
    Apparently, the Producers and CBS have very different ideas about who that Actor should be.

    The most recent rumor is that as a general consensus, they want to cast an 'Unknown' in the role but haven't found one everybody can agree on yet.

    It's also important to note that CBS has not commented on any of this, neither to deny nor condone these rumors.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    So, she could be the lead actress...

    I hope that is the case, if for no other reason than THAT would likely get the ball rolling on the rest of the cast.

    Apparently not...

    http://deadline.com/2016/11/star-trek-discovery-michelle-yeoh-cast-captain-1201859554/

    She's going to be the Captain of another important ship in the series.
    B)

    No, Meyer said she's going to be cast as a "recurring captain", but remember that the captain of USS Discovery is not going to be the primary viewpoint character. It's still possible she's the CO.


    From the article...

    "We hear that Yeoh has been cast as Han Bo and her ship is the Shenzhou. The Yeoh-run spacecraft is set to play a big role in Discovery‘s first season."

    B)

    My bad, I saw a different version of the story that wasn't as specific.

    It's been an ongoing developing story since Nick Meyers let it slip the other day.


    What amazes me is that they still haven't decided on who is going to play the key character in the series.
    Apparently, the Producers and CBS have very different ideas about who that Actor should be.

    The most recent rumor is that as a general consensus, they want to cast an 'Unknown' in the role but haven't found one everybody can agree on yet.

    It's also important to note that CBS has not commented on any of this, neither to deny nor condone these rumors.
    B)

    :D As if anything gets 'let slip' in the era of mass communication :D It was a deliberate 'throw them a bone to keep them quiet' move... ;) Like I said, I think they're lining themselves up for another Enterprise...
  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,764 Arc User
    I'm excited about Michelle. But, yeah, prequeling just reminds me of Enterprise.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    hawku001x wrote: »
    I'm excited about Michelle. But, yeah, prequeling just reminds me of Enterprise.

    If it were the exact same folks that did Enterprise, I probably would tend to agree, but since they have brought in just about a whole new production crew (with a couple of exceptions) I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that they probably are NOT going to repeat the same mistakes.

    That doesn't mean that they won't make new ones which could possibly DOOOM the show, but from what little we've seen so far, I'm willing to give them a bit of leeway and not jump on that particular bandwagon.... yet.
    B)
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  • lordrezeonlordrezeon Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    Eh, I think the main problem for Enterprise was that they didn't really do much planning when they started the show. They made the characters but didn't really bother thinking of what they wanted to do with them. The era practically demanded that they do an origin story for the Federation, but they apparently disagreed and instead opted for the classic Trek "avoid building continuity and just make it up as you go" approach.

    This time with Discovery they are at least planning out a story arc from the beginning of the process, so it shouldn't feel like they are spinning their wheels like Enterprise did. Whether the arc is any good is an entirely separate issue, and will ultimately vary from viewer to viewer. The real problem Discovery will have is trying to navigate the TOS era's inconsistent continuity.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    lordrezeon wrote: »
    Eh, I think the main problem for Enterprise was that they didn't really do much planning when they started the show. They made the characters but didn't really bother thinking of what they wanted to do with them. The era practically demanded that they do an origin story for the Federation, but they apparently disagreed and instead opted for the classic Trek "avoid building continuity and just make it up as you go" approach.

    This time with Discovery they are at least planning out a story arc from the beginning of the process, so it shouldn't feel like they are spinning their wheels like Enterprise did. Whether the arc is any good is an entirely separate issue, and will ultimately vary from viewer to viewer. The real problem Discovery will have is trying to navigate the TOS era's inconsistent continuity.

    Well, part of ENT's problem was apparently that the studio was worried about prequelitis, in other words that folks wouldn't tune in because "we know how this turns out: the Federation forms and all's fine and dandy". So they demanded the inclusion of some time travel elements or some such that would put the outcome in doubt. Never mind the fact that even in DS9 we knew that Sisko et al. would come out on top at the end, the story was about how.

    But then we run into B&B's problems. When DS9's higher-ups demanded a shakeup during season 3, the writing team came up with breaking up the military alliance with the Klingons and turning them into enemies again and actually used this as a genuine source for longer plotlines. But B&B are allergic to continuity, so they basically threw in a few random references to this thing they didn't want to do that didn't ever connect very well and then killed the plot off the minute they had a chance.

    Basically it's the whole "lemons and lemonade" question.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    http://deadline.com/2016/11/star-trek-discovery-cast-doub-none-s-1201861221/

    STAR TREK: DISCOVERY NEWS: the first three cast members have been officially announced! Doug Jones, Michelle Yeoh, and Anthony Rapp are the newest members of the Star Trek family.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    Looks like, from TrekCore's article about these casting moves... only one is a confirmed member of Discovery's crew.

    Very interesting.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    Jones will portray Lt. Saru, a Starfleet Science Officer and a new alien species to the Star Trek universe. Rapp will play Lt. Stamets, an astromycologist, fungus expert, and Starfleet Science Officer aboard the Starship Discovery. And as Deadline previously reported, Yeoh will play Captain Georgiou, the Starfleet Captain aboard the Starship Shenzhou.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Jones will portray Lt. Saru, a Starfleet Science Officer and a new alien species to the Star Trek universe. Rapp will play Lt. Stamets, an astromycologist, fungus expert, and Starfleet Science Officer aboard the Starship Discovery. And as Deadline previously reported, Yeoh will play Captain Georgiou, the Starfleet Captain aboard the Starship Shenzhou.

    Will be interesting to see how much focus is given on each crew since we already have two starships with regular cast members.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Jones will portray Lt. Saru, a Starfleet Science Officer and a new alien species to the Star Trek universe. Rapp will play Lt. Stamets, an astromycologist, fungus expert, and Starfleet Science Officer aboard the Starship Discovery. And as Deadline previously reported, Yeoh will play Captain Georgiou, the Starfleet Captain aboard the Starship Shenzhou.

    Will be interesting to see how much focus is given on each crew since we already have two starships with regular cast members.


    Don't forget that rumor has it that there will be a Klingon Captain as an important character as well.
    Which probably means that there will be a Klingon ship and crew involved in the overall story line.
    Which means there will probably be recurring villain actors also announced eventually.
    B)

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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Jones will portray Lt. Saru, a Starfleet Science Officer and a new alien species to the Star Trek universe. Rapp will play Lt. Stamets, an astromycologist, fungus expert, and Starfleet Science Officer aboard the Starship Discovery. And as Deadline previously reported, Yeoh will play Captain Georgiou, the Starfleet Captain aboard the Starship Shenzhou.

    Will be interesting to see how much focus is given on each crew since we already have two starships with regular cast members.


    Don't forget that rumor has it that there will be a Klingon Captain as an important character as well.
    Which probably means that there will be a Klingon ship and crew involved in the overall story line.
    Which means there will probably be recurring villain actors also announced eventually.
    B)

    I certainly hope so. An Epic Klingon captain and crew will certainly lessen the Starfleet bias that Star Trek suffers from. Martok is the closest to an Epic Klingon character that we have, but he wasn't enough.
  • lordrezeonlordrezeon Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    It is hard to escape the Starfleet bias when the Federation by design is openly stated within the story to be a utopian society. Much like how by TNG the Enterprise became elevated to being the most important ship in the fleet, with the handpicked best crew, etcetera. Aliens will always be little more than foils to make the Federation look good.

    The real question is which version of the Klingons will this be... will it be the classic Klingons who were sophisticated and cunning, or will it be more like the 24th century Klingons who were space Vikings.


    I'm personally more curious as to what they intend to do with this Lt. Stamets character, being a fungus expert seems a tad to specialized for a main character role... unless they are combating hostile alien fungus-men. (imagines the Federation at war with the Mushroom Kingdom from Super Mario Bros.)
  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,764 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    lordrezeon wrote: »
    The real question is which version of the Klingons will this be... will it be the classic Klingons who were sophisticated and cunning, or will it be more like the 24th century Klingons who were space Vikings.

    Also, ridges or no ridges? Hmmm.
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    hawku001x wrote: »
    lordrezeon wrote: »
    The real question is which version of the Klingons will this be... will it be the classic Klingons who were sophisticated and cunning, or will it be more like the 24th century Klingons who were space Vikings.

    Also, ridges or no ridges? Hmmm.

    Why not both?
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    hawku001x wrote: »
    Also, ridges or no ridges? Hmmm.

    Ridges, since they always had them pig-3.gif

    Seriously, I would wish for the augment nonsense to be ignored so badly and simply returning to the origial design choice to simply leave 60s Klingons an in-joke but simply assume it's been always "modern" Klingons all along.​​
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Both type of Klingons would be my preference as well.

    It could certainly be set up as a comparison to today's Muslim (ridge-less foreheads) vs Christian (ridged foreheads) crisis currently going on and be a wonderful addition of a "B" storyline for the overall season.

    Giving the Klingons something to rail against (their own internal bigotry) beside the Federation, would certainly be new.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    Can we take the look of the modern Klingon but give them the sensibilities of the shoe polish one?
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    So I guess we have been told who the "LGBT" character will be in the show...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/star-trek-discovery-anthony-rapp_us_583ef9eee4b0ae0e7cdb1743

    B)
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    lordrezeon wrote: »
    It is hard to escape the Starfleet bias when the Federation by design is openly stated within the story to be a utopian society. Much like how by TNG the Enterprise became elevated to being the most important ship in the fleet, with the handpicked best crew, etcetera. Aliens will always be little more than foils to make the Federation look good.

    The real question is which version of the Klingons will this be... will it be the classic Klingons who were sophisticated and cunning, or will it be more like the 24th century Klingons who were space Vikings.


    I'm personally more curious as to what they intend to do with this Lt. Stamets character, being a fungus expert seems a tad to specialized for a main character role... unless they are combating hostile alien fungus-men. (imagines the Federation at war with the Mushroom Kingdom from Super Mario Bros.)
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    So I guess we have been told who the "LGBT" character will be in the show...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/star-trek-discovery-anthony-rapp_us_583ef9eee4b0ae0e7cdb1743

    B)
    I just think it's sad that they need to use something like this to try and generate interest... :( Things like this do nothing to increase tolerance, and do nothing more than highlight someone for no reason other than their sexuality, as if there's nothing else about them worth mentioning... That kind of boxed-in thinking makes me sad...

    It's pretty clear that he's going to fully immerse himself in the lore in preparation, so thumbs up to the dude B)

  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,430 Arc User
    Okay, so it's terrible if an existing character (like, say, Sulu) is retconned to be either g.ay or bi, and it's terrible if a brand new g.ay character is introduced.

    Should Starfleet just install closets on all their ships and be done with it? Or is it only okay if they're female?​​
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,764 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    I believe they also mentioned his profession. I don't think these articles are trying to generate interest; I think there already is interest and the articles are trying to report on any tidbit that comes out about the show. If anything, it's the news websites who use whatever they can to get hits, and that includes reporting on everything equally about a show that has a large fanbase.

    Even if anyone percieves the method of this information release as negative (even though we live in an information age now), it's dispropotionate to the importance of what the content is about.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    More from Bryan Fuller as to why he had to step down as Line Producer and is not going to be involved at all beyond the initial storyline...

    http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/791483-bryan-fuller-opens-up-about-star-trek-discovery-exit

    I didn't realize that he was completely off the series at this point.
    That's a bit disappointing.

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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    They are not using the characters sexuality to draw interest. Star Trek was always about inclusivity. If you look at how diverse the cast was in TOS and at that time period it came out you'll see that they are just continuing what Roddenberry started
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Okay, so it's terrible if an existing character (like, say, Sulu) is retconned to be either g.ay or bi, and it's terrible if a brand new g.ay character is introduced.

    Should Starfleet just install closets on all their ships and be done with it? Or is it only okay if they're female?​​
    Do you go out of your way to deliberately find a way to misinterpret what I say? Or are you genuinely that incapable of understanding others?

    Let me put it in a way you might understand:

    If the writers of a show wanted to write about a character who happened to be an aspie Doing A job which had nothing whatsoever to do with them being an aspie, but felt the need to announce that they are specifically writing about an aspie character, and hired an aspie actor, would you not see that they were just focussing on that label to the exclusion of all other things, and making it seem that Nothing Else Whatsoever about the character was as noteworthy as them being an aspie?

    Oh, they've said that he's also an expert on fungi, so that makes it okay...

    In the words of Zefram Cochrane: Sweet Jesus...


  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    They are not using the characters sexuality to draw interest. Star Trek was always about inclusivity. If you look at how diverse the cast was in TOS and at that time period it came out you'll see that they are just continuing what Roddenberry started
    That's a crock, and you know it... If they were truly interested in showing inclusivity and diversity, they would not even mention it prior to release, they would just let it be revealed through the stories upon release... Same as the announcement of making Sulu g.ay prior to the release of Beyond: It's done For Publicity... Also, given that Gene would not allow two g.ay crew-members to be holding hands in The Naked Now, don't try and pass this off as something Gene would have sanctioned, because his past behaviour clearly shows that he would not...

  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    daveyny wrote: »
    More from Bryan Fuller as to why he had to step down as Line Producer and is not going to be involved at all beyond the initial storyline...

    http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/791483-bryan-fuller-opens-up-about-star-trek-discovery-exit

    I didn't realize that he was completely off the series at this point.
    That's a bit disappointing.

    B)
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    Ha!

    I f*cking knew it! I said this weeks ago, but oh no, I didn't know what I was talking about... Ha!

    I called it! :D:D
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,430 Arc User
    When the series "The Bridge" started on FX, it was announced on Wrongplanet.net that the lead character would be an aspie, and that in fact they had hired Alex Plank, founder of the website, as a consultant. (He even got a small recurring part later.)

    That drummed up some interest in the aspie community - not an expectation that the only important factor about the character was her neurological condition (she was also a woman, working with a Mexican detective on a murder case that happened on a border-crossing bridge), but an interest that "one of ours" was going to get some kind of open representation on TV. (It's certainly an improvement over the incredibly stereotyped nerds we generally get - cf "The Big Bang Theory" for examples).

    It's just amazing to me that out of all the words of description the character received, you focused on his sexuality (which was mentioned only in passing), rather than on the rather odd specification that he was a xenomycologist. (I mean, I can see the need for Starfleet to hire generalized xenobiologists - but a xenomycologist in particular??)

    And again, there's the signal that some people simply cannot be satisfied. "Don't make existing characters TRIBBLE, make new ones!"

    "Okay, here's a brand-new character. He's a lieutenant, he studies alien fungi, he's attached to the new ship. Oh, by the way, he's married to a man."

    "Hey, why are you making this brand-new TRIBBLE character, just like I was demanding a few minutes ago??"

    Seriously, Marcus, if you can't see that coming across in your response, perhaps some personal introspection is in order. Congratulating yourself on "being a jerk" (as you have) is one thing, but there should be some sort of limiter, n'est-ce pas?​​
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