I dunno, It may be that Abrams said what he did after asking the legal people if it was ok.
I can vaguely imagine he was a cat's paw being used to make it known Legal was open to a settlement... but I really don't see it. They held all the cards, they didn't need to settle. And if they didn't need to settle they certainly didn't need a well known face spouting off how this would all go away. Basically it reeks of JJ's self-interest in trying to hide the dispute under a rug while ST:Beyond was only moments away from release. And in political terms it was pretty much the polar opposite of 'deft'.
Because following the advice of counsel and adhering to court schedules is so much stupider than awaiting the results of a vague prophecy by a third party who had no standing in the court case.
History shows repeated attempts by Mr. Peters to settle, all of which have been ignored by CBS. Aside from JJ's promise that it would all go away CBS never once offered to enter negotiations. It is likely Mark Largent captures CBS' position on the matter.
Because following the advice of counsel and adhering to court schedules is so much stupider than awaiting the results of a vague prophecy by a third party who had no standing in the court case.
History shows repeated attempts by Mr. Peters to settle, all of which have been ignored by CBS. Aside from JJ's promise that it would all go away CBS never once offered to enter negotiations. It is likely Mark Largent captures CBS' position on the matter.
Or perhaps LFIM (Lord Foot in Mouth) settlements are the tune of we keep forward with the Axanar merchandise selling and you let it happen? So, naturally, CBS/Paramount is like no.
"adhering to court schedules"? What schedule? Also what evidence do you have that the counter-suit was the lawyer's idea?
Also, assuming he really tried to settle, what terms did Peters attempt to settle under?
May 9 and 10 of 2016 both parties set the trial schedule, which sets times for certain procedures which, if not done by their cutoff dates, cannot be done later. At this conference the court encouraged both parties to settle, which is standard procedure, but there is no evidence that any settlement talks were held then, and specific settlement talks have not happened either before or since according to Mr. Peters. (CBS says nothing on the issue.)
The countersuit deals with paying attorney fees.This does seem like something the lawyers would have more motive to file than the defendant, but only if they think they have a shot at winning.
As for terms, Mr. Peters says no discussion of settlement ever happened, so any proposals he may have had have not been heard. According to Mr. Peters, CBS is not interested in settlement, and CBS says nothing on the issue.
Merchadise was not a part of the original complaint, though it was tacked in later filings. Axanar claims this is fundraising for their movie, and they used Axanar created items as perks for donors. This is neither illegal or immoral. For example, the Blood Center gives me a T-shirt with their logo every time I give blood. You can claim CBS owns the Axanar logo, but it's not in any Trek I've seen, (though clearly inspired by Trek.)
I am not aware of any outright sale of Axanar merchandise by Axanar, but I may have missed something. I am also unaware of any Star Trek merchandise sold by Axanar in any way for any reason.
Lord Foot In Mouth is pretty funny. But to date, the only offer by CBS has been a set of guidelines which put all Trek fan films out of business except the parodies. I guess we can look forward to new episodes of The Redshirt Diaries, but the other shows appear to be done unless Axanar wins at least to some degree.
And before anyone says, "It's all Mr. Peters' fault!" let me point out that it was only a matter of time before Cawley or Mignogna or Russ hit the big numbers in fundraising and attracted CBS' attention. Note that CBS could have simply sued Axanar and left those other guys alone, but they were all shut down and the guidelines established by CBS insure they will never be able to do what Renegades did first: crowdfund in six digits.
Merchadise was not a part of the original complaint, though it was tacked in later filings. Axanar claims this is fundraising for their movie, and they used Axanar created items as perks for donors. This is neither illegal or immoral. For example, the Blood Center gives me a T-shirt with their logo every time I give blood. You can claim CBS owns the Axanar logo, but it's not in any Trek I've seen, (though clearly inspired by Trek.)
Actually, as I stated above, it IS illegal AND immoral. I collect blood donor T-shorts, and I've never seen then use STAR TREK logos on them. As you said the blood donor center uses their OWN logo. They don't borrow logos from others without their permission.... I actually have one that has the logo of a zoo on it, but the was a cross promotional venture authorized by both parties. Peters, did NOT have permission to do such things. The problem with the Axanar logo usage is that it's always "Star Trek" Axanar. That prevents it from being fair use.
I am not aware of any outright sale of Axanar merchandise by Axanar, but I may have missed something. I am also unaware of any Star Trek merchandise sold by Axanar in any way for any reason.
So you haven't heard of Axanar brand coffee? Are you even reading what Peters published on his own website?
When someone behaves in a dishonest manner by, oh, I don't know, manipulating a fandom's good will to obtain money by deception (ie asking for money to make a specific film, and then using that money to build a studio which will make countless other for profit films)
I've said this before, but I'll say it again: Peters announced in the IndieGoGo alongside Prelude that donor funds would go towards the studio which would be used for for-profit activities. That means he wasn't deceiving people with regards to where that money was going.
It wasn't mentioned in the KS campaign where I pledged funds. Had it been, Axanar wouldn't have gotten a Pledge out of me.
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Merchadise was not a part of the original complaint, though it was tacked in later filings. Axanar claims this is fundraising for their movie, and they used Axanar created items as perks for donors. This is neither illegal or immoral. For example, the Blood Center gives me a T-shirt with their logo every time I give blood. You can claim CBS owns the Axanar logo, but it's not in any Trek I've seen, (though clearly inspired by Trek.)
Actually, as I stated above, it IS illegal AND immoral. I collect blood donor T-shorts, and I've never seen then use STAR TREK logos on them. As you said the blood donor center uses their OWN logo. They don't borrow logos from others without their permission.... I actually have one that has the logo of a zoo on it, but the was a cross promotional venture authorized by both parties. Peters, did NOT have permission to do such things. The problem with the Axanar logo usage is that it's always "Star Trek" Axanar. That prevents it from being fair use.
I am not aware of any outright sale of Axanar merchandise by Axanar, but I may have missed something. I am also unaware of any Star Trek merchandise sold by Axanar in any way for any reason.
So you haven't heard of Axanar brand coffee? Are you even reading what Peters published on his own website?
Don't forget, the patches, the uniforms, the proposed tie-in book series, the proposed non-fiction coffee books, and the Axanar model kits that he had the balls to go after unlicensed makers of his unlicensed product. Except for the patches and the uniform, the rest were all Axanar store merchandise not perks. Patches were put in the store and the uniforms became a we-are-being-sued-so-we-need-money products that were just recently announced. All of that stuff is illegal to sell without permission for the IP holder which is CBS/Paramount.
Merchadise was not a part of the original complaint, though it was tacked in later filings. Axanar claims this is fundraising for their movie, and they used Axanar created items as perks for donors. This is neither illegal or immoral. For example, the Blood Center gives me a T-shirt with their logo every time I give blood. You can claim CBS owns the Axanar logo, but it's not in any Trek I've seen, (though clearly inspired by Trek.)
Actually, as I stated above, it IS illegal AND immoral. I collect blood donor T-shorts, and I've never seen then use STAR TREK logos on them. As you said the blood donor center uses their OWN logo. They don't borrow logos from others without their permission.... I actually have one that has the logo of a zoo on it, but the was a cross promotional venture authorized by both parties. Peters, did NOT have permission to do such things. The problem with the Axanar logo usage is that it's always "Star Trek" Axanar. That prevents it from being fair use.
I am not aware of any outright sale of Axanar merchandise by Axanar, but I may have missed something. I am also unaware of any Star Trek merchandise sold by Axanar in any way for any reason.
So you haven't heard of Axanar brand coffee? Are you even reading what Peters published on his own website?
Don't forget, the patches, the uniforms, the proposed tie-in book series, the proposed non-fiction coffee books, and the Axanar model kits that he had the balls to go after unlicensed makers of his unlicensed product. Except for the patches and the uniform, the rest were all Axanar store merchandise not perks. Patches were put in the store and the uniforms became a we-are-being-sued-so-we-need-money products that were just recently announced. All of that stuff is illegal to sell without permission for the IP holder which is CBS/Paramount.
Axanar merchandise, not Star Trek merchandise, and sold to raise funds for Axanar. What part of this is illegal or immoral?
@asrael: my point was not that there was no sales, but that this was a fundraising device and not profit to be pocketed.
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I can vaguely imagine he was a cat's paw being used to make it known Legal was open to a settlement... but I really don't see it. They held all the cards, they didn't need to settle. And if they didn't need to settle they certainly didn't need a well known face spouting off how this would all go away. Basically it reeks of JJ's self-interest in trying to hide the dispute under a rug while ST:Beyond was only moments away from release. And in political terms it was pretty much the polar opposite of 'deft'.
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Open his mouth?
History shows repeated attempts by Mr. Peters to settle, all of which have been ignored by CBS. Aside from JJ's promise that it would all go away CBS never once offered to enter negotiations. It is likely Mark Largent captures CBS' position on the matter.
Also, assuming he really tried to settle, what terms did Peters attempt to settle under?
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Or perhaps LFIM (Lord Foot in Mouth) settlements are the tune of we keep forward with the Axanar merchandise selling and you let it happen? So, naturally, CBS/Paramount is like no.
May 9 and 10 of 2016 both parties set the trial schedule, which sets times for certain procedures which, if not done by their cutoff dates, cannot be done later. At this conference the court encouraged both parties to settle, which is standard procedure, but there is no evidence that any settlement talks were held then, and specific settlement talks have not happened either before or since according to Mr. Peters. (CBS says nothing on the issue.)
The countersuit deals with paying attorney fees.This does seem like something the lawyers would have more motive to file than the defendant, but only if they think they have a shot at winning.
As for terms, Mr. Peters says no discussion of settlement ever happened, so any proposals he may have had have not been heard. According to Mr. Peters, CBS is not interested in settlement, and CBS says nothing on the issue.
Merchadise was not a part of the original complaint, though it was tacked in later filings. Axanar claims this is fundraising for their movie, and they used Axanar created items as perks for donors. This is neither illegal or immoral. For example, the Blood Center gives me a T-shirt with their logo every time I give blood. You can claim CBS owns the Axanar logo, but it's not in any Trek I've seen, (though clearly inspired by Trek.)
I am not aware of any outright sale of Axanar merchandise by Axanar, but I may have missed something. I am also unaware of any Star Trek merchandise sold by Axanar in any way for any reason.
Lord Foot In Mouth is pretty funny. But to date, the only offer by CBS has been a set of guidelines which put all Trek fan films out of business except the parodies. I guess we can look forward to new episodes of The Redshirt Diaries, but the other shows appear to be done unless Axanar wins at least to some degree.
And before anyone says, "It's all Mr. Peters' fault!" let me point out that it was only a matter of time before Cawley or Mignogna or Russ hit the big numbers in fundraising and attracted CBS' attention. Note that CBS could have simply sued Axanar and left those other guys alone, but they were all shut down and the guidelines established by CBS insure they will never be able to do what Renegades did first: crowdfund in six digits.
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It wasn't mentioned in the KS campaign where I pledged funds. Had it been, Axanar wouldn't have gotten a Pledge out of me.
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Don't forget, the patches, the uniforms, the proposed tie-in book series, the proposed non-fiction coffee books, and the Axanar model kits that he had the balls to go after unlicensed makers of his unlicensed product. Except for the patches and the uniform, the rest were all Axanar store merchandise not perks. Patches were put in the store and the uniforms became a we-are-being-sued-so-we-need-money products that were just recently announced. All of that stuff is illegal to sell without permission for the IP holder which is CBS/Paramount.
Axanar merchandise, not Star Trek merchandise, and sold to raise funds for Axanar. What part of this is illegal or immoral?
@asrael: my point was not that there was no sales, but that this was a fundraising device and not profit to be pocketed.
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