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trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
I'm sure by know, most if not all know what I'm talking about by this. Especially if you spent any time on DS9 or Drozana Station. I am also sure Crytpic has just been ignoring the multitude of reports against this, while trying to come up with a solution that doesn't include banning players. So I have come up with the solution. No one need get banned and the problem gets solved.

And the solution is very simple.

Just make any PvE non-combat zone, like Risa, and disable all Captain and Trait abilities. The problem gets solved, no one gets banned, and everyone but those using those ability for this are happy. The abilities can be used inside the missions for those planets and starbases that have them. Like Qo'nos, DS9, ESD, and Drozana. Just in the non-mission version the abilities are locked out, just like Risa.

And there you have it.
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  • puckerbrushpuckerbrush Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    If all abilities, disco balls, fire extinguishers etc etc were banned and players could only stand in social zones as statues a subset of players would still complain about social zones. I'm sure Cryptic has examined the "problem" and is taking action they feel appropriate.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Is this reaaaaaallllllly a problem?

    How can you quantify "harass" on a digital avatar?
    Just ingore other people.
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    If all abilities, disco balls, fire extinguishers etc etc were banned and players could only stand in social zones as statues a subset of players would still complain about social zones. I'm sure Cryptic has examined the "problem" and is taking action they feel appropriate.

    I'm not talking about disco balls. Those actually still work on Risa, as do the party gun things. So those would still work. Just things like class abilities and trait abilities would be disabled, i.e. Security Team and T5 Terran smokescreen, would be disabled.
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  • puckerbrushpuckerbrush Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited August 2016


    A small subset of the playerbase frequently complains about all things that happen in social zones, including other players standing "too close" or "wearing the wrong uniform".
    Cryptic is well aware of these complaints and is taking the actions they deem appropriate for the issue.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,674 Community Moderator
    Security Team doesn't obstruct things like Cover Shields used to. You just get some guys following you. Some may consider it annoying, but it isn't game breaking or anything. Unless you got EVERY tac on the map targeting you for a Security Team... I honestly don't see a problem.

    Now the duration... there is a discrepancy. Romulan Security Teams last longer than Fed and KDF.
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  • mathewprime1mathewprime1 Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    Is this reaaaaaallllllly a problem?

    How can you quantify "harass" on a digital avatar?
    Just ingore other people.
    Its not just that, Its the abilities that they can use to lag out players. terran T5 Smokescreen Ability, One or two of the undine module effects.. I don't care for the discoballs and poppers. they are not the problem. its the abilities that actually lag out the game. "Ignore" the player only blocks communication. It does not get rid of their antics. I wish it did. But it doesn't. I agree with most of this thread says. But we don't need to limit EVERYTHING... Just the items that lag us out. There is no need for players to have the ability to lag the game out for players.
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  • umformtechnik#9538 umformtechnik Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    At some point you need to let go of the idea that you have the right to control what other people do, just because you dont like seeing it.

    this statement also applies to forum threads like this one. just because some people may not like seeing them does not mean those people should be able to control other people and stop them from posting them.
  • mathewprime1mathewprime1 Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    Security teams are a basic part of the game, like having beams on your ship instead of cannons, or having brown hair instead of blonde.

    People need to realize that this is a multiplayer game, and that means its not just you, its also other people playing it.

    At some point you need to let go of the idea that you have the right to control what other people do, just because you dont like seeing it.

    Whether it is people who make their character brown haired instead of blonde, or wear blue uniforms instead of red, or are tall instead of short, or whatever. Just because you would prefer people did it differently doesnt give you a reason to want people to be prevented from doing it that way.

    I guess I can understand if you hate seeing roleplayers call in security teams or use the healing kit powers as part of their thing, but you just have to learn to deal with it. It's a multiplayer game and you were told that at the beginning, you went into this with your eyes open and have to take responsibility for that choice.

    If i have been mistaken in treating this thread earnestly, instead of just as a dog-whistle against disco balls and whatever else the haters hate so much, I apologize for being so trusting.

    Its not all about Dental, Either. If you guys just left us alone, this thread would not exist. Yet you insist on bullying and harassing other players with those powers/abilities just because of what they like to do. Roleplayers are not that bad, If you don't like roleplayers, Just leave us alone and go to another instance. We can't control what other players do.. but neither do you. We like to Roleplay, Is that so bad? Is it so hard to ask to be able to play the game the way WE want to play it? Why cant you guys just leave us alone? We just want to Roleplay without having our computers lag out because of your ignorance.
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,698 Arc User
    I still think they need to make certain instances specialized. say instance 1 normal instance 2 roleplay and as population demands, instances 3,57 and if the RP population requires, additional even numbered instances. on RP instances, kit and captan abilities are disabled.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    So long as there are people on the internet who have a desire to feel victimized in some way, there will be other people on the internet who will provide a service to fulfill that desire.

    This isn't to say there isn't some merit in optimizing certain abilities like the T5 Terran Empire reputation power, to be less resource intensive -- as that is something that should be looked into.

    However, I do feel it is important to point out that by expressing your public dissatisfaction with harassing behavior, you encourage that behavior to continue. While you may very well appreciate the attention you're getting, any of your friends who hang out with you in certain social zones likely will not appreciate the ringing of the dinner bell to DS9, Drozana, or wherever.

    Lisa Simpson and Paul Anka developed an even simpler solution than the one OP is proposing way back in 1995.

    https://youtu.be/SlKao_Pox5A​​
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  • umformtechnik#9538 umformtechnik Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    iconians wrote: »
    So long as there are people on the internet who have a desire to feel victimized in some way, there will be other people on the internet who will provide a service to fulfill that desire.

    i agree. and anyone who would go so far as to call this thread a "dog-whistle hate thread" is definitely displaying a victim complex too.

    the OP might be silly, but calling this thread "hate" is definitely victim-complex behavior.
  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    Why cant you be happy we dont throw smoke grenades or use cover shields anymore.
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  • puckerbrushpuckerbrush Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    *rollseyes* this thread again?

    As soon as one thread gets shut down two more appear.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Security Team doesn't obstruct things like Cover Shields used to. You just get some guys following you. Some may consider it annoying, but it isn't game breaking or anything. Unless you got EVERY tac on the map targeting you for a Security Team... I honestly don't see a problem.

    That could actually be quite funny... 1 player who's being followed by literally over 100 (or 9000) security escorts :)
  • puckerbrushpuckerbrush Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »

    That could actually be quite funny... 1 player who's being followed by literally over 100 (or 9000) security escorts :)

    This can actually happen.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    Some powers are useful to have in social zones. I use my medical tricorders and shield recharges to heal NPC's that might have been attacked by Elachi explosions (or are the players causing this using different tactics now?)

    Don't ask me why though.
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    risian4 wrote: »

    That could actually be quite funny... 1 player who's being followed by literally over 100 (or 9000) security escorts :)

    This can actually happen.

    Really? I have my doubts about the 9000 thing. Eh, I mean, 9001. It has to be over 9000 of course.
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    How exactly is this a hate thread? Hate requires that I specifically name people. Which I didn't. Is it a hate thread, simply because I applied a simple solution that doesn't involve an players getting reported and potentially banned? I mean the solution does apply to everyone, including my self. If that's hate, then we really need a new definition for that word.

    Because this solution is equal and fair to all involved.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    I once killed some people on ESD after getting Assimilated at the end of a Borg STF. It would have been super helpful for security escorts to show up and kill me instead of letting me massacre the daytraders at the Exchange.​​
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    iconians wrote: »
    I once killed some people on ESD after getting Assimilated at the end of a Borg STF. It would have been super helpful for security escorts to show up and kill me instead of letting me massacre the daytraders at the Exchange.​​

    I still believe that liberated Borg should get a special trait that allows them to assimilate an ally.

    Who needs security escorts when you can create your own private army of fellow players that you can send after someone? :p
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  • umformtechnik#9538 umformtechnik Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    trennan wrote: »
    How exactly is this a hate thread? Hate requires that I specifically name people. Which I didn't.

    its easy. if someone has a victim complex then any time someone say something they don't like, it is automatically some kind of "hate speech".
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