Foundry is most likely the best solution to this train wreck of a thread. Have to agree with you there.
PS--your signature is Eeyore levels of depressing when you think about the Tamarian language. Piglet is asking Pooh for cooperation. Pooh is responding with a negative, essentially telling Piglet that cooperation is not going to happen and that he failed in asking.
I had not thought that deeply into it, but wow. Dead on!
I don't think theres any excuse for violence against anyone, no matter what their alleged behaviour in an online videogame is like
As morally reprehensible you may find violence, it is often times the best solution. Anyways, it is impossible for me to hunt someone down on an anonymous medium, and very likely far too costly to travel there even if I could, for mere annoyance in a pixelated fashion. Meaning, I may WANT to do it, but it just ain't gonna happen.
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
As morally reprehensible you may find violence, it is often times the best solution. Anyways, it is impossible for me to hunt someone down on an anonymous medium, and very likely far too costly to travel there even if I could, for mere annoyance in a pixelated fashion. Meaning, I may WANT to do it, but it just ain't gonna happen.
Wanting something is one thing, directly or indirectly threaten others with bodily harm is something else.
As for the stated reason you're not enacting out your "best solution" on known individuals, only being the cost of travel to those you consider "cyber bullies"; I have to ask: at what travel distance do you start to "throatpunch" other players?
As morally reprehensible you may find violence, it is often times the best solution. Anyways, it is impossible for me to hunt someone down on an anonymous medium, and very likely far too costly to travel there even if I could, for mere annoyance in a pixelated fashion. Meaning, I may WANT to do it, but it just ain't gonna happen.
Wanting something is one thing, directly or indirectly threaten others with bodily harm is something else.
As for the stated reason you're not enacting out your "best solution" on known individuals, only being the cost of travel to those you consider "cyber bullies"; I have to ask: at what travel distance do you start to "throatpunch" other players?
Ask Tuvok, he knows.
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Seriously, nobody posted any kind of threat. To do that, a name would need to be included. I am not going to waste my time and money to hunt someone down who was an TRIBBLE in a video game or forum for one. I do however, have no problem using violence as a tool, in the rare cases is is absolutely necessary. This ain't one of them. So take your puffed up chest attitude elsewhere, thank you.
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
Hey, I am promoting the Mirror Universe. Doesn't get more violent than that. Warlord Janeway would be proud.
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Hey, I am promoting the Mirror Universe. Doesn't get more violent than that. Warlord Janeway would be proud.
Got a Mirror Fleet? I could dig that.
"Terran Empire 1st Fleet", send a tell to whoever is on.
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A weekend dog-whistle hate thread has managed to generate threats of physical violence, conspiracy theories, crazy rants, reregs, name/shaming, and its only on page 4!
Let's not forget it's also resulted in the outing of at least one sociopath who thinks violence is A-ok.
Yeah, that is not an acceptable way to address problems.
I once killed some people on ESD after getting Assimilated at the end of a Borg STF. It would have been super helpful for security escorts to show up and kill me instead of letting me massacre the daytraders at the Exchange.
Okay, this sounds funny as TRIBBLE ! I wish you had taken a video of this! I would have loved to have seen this and chuckle my TRIBBLE off!
I know, more than one person has responded to the OP's dog whistle and come in swinging, its an ugly sight.
You made the point once, twice, three times... you've reached the point of just plain harassment and bullying your views here with personal attacks. So again no surprise you support harassment in game.
But let me guess, Dental member, so of course Mods and Devs will cater and protect them from anything regarding it.
The basic difference between "Vigilante" and "hooligan" is the perception of the observer. Commissioner Gordon calls Batman "Hero" and "Vigilante", Joker, Penguin, et.al., call Batman "Disruption" and "hooligan".
As such, there will never be a "winner" to these "debates" - other than the one and only standard that applies. Does the actions of the player violate the Terms of Service that is automatically accepted and agreed to be the guide of behavior each and every time the player logs in. Yes - Report, ban, etc. No (no matter how acceptable or distasteful the viewer finds the situation) - nothing occurs.
"Official Cryptic" moving too slow for you? Petition for change. I'm sure that there are a number of fine outstanding fleets that would jump at the chance to "officially dispense justice againt violations of the ToS, and only violations of the ToS, with their actions on record, reputations on the line, and under review by Cryptic Employees.
(Do note: Things like ERP aren't, IIRC, against the ToS, while (ab)using in-game abilities to "encourage" certain "distasteful" elements that are acting within the limits of the ToS into doing something else (or going somewhere else) is. Though, again, if ERP is such a problem, then petitions to have a lot of "erp wording" added to the chat filters (to protect the youngins) and/or the general act added to the ToS as a "prohibited act" are the... proper methods of dealing with the issue in such a manner that does not require vigiliante-hooliganism...)
Huh?
Just what I said. Leave it to me, in my haste to "condense" the post, to confuse practically everybody...
So, to "expand" upon what I said (translation: Warning, Wall of Text)
Instead of using a Comic book analogy, let me use an actual STO analogy. Starfleet Dental vs. ERPers.
To the "average player", like me, a father concerned about what my son might read in prominent social zone text boxes, Dental's crusade against ERP is "heroic" - keeping the chat channels clean and appropriate to the "Teen" rating of the game.
However, to the "average ERPer", since Dental lacks... official enforcement tools... the techniques used to "perform this cleansing" can, and frequently is, considered "hooliganism" by those on the receiving end of the "cleansing antics".
Who's ultimately right? Me and/or my son? Dental? The ERPer?
And the truthful answer to that question is but one entity. Cryptic. And they have advised us of what is, and is not, "acceptable" behavior on their servers, through the Terms of Service.
Now we all are fairly aware that Cryptic does not have a... robust... in-game GM "police squad" to handle reports of violations. And this leads to periods where "potential ToS violaters" have extended periods to perpetrate their violations, and maybe even plenty of time to get out "before the law shows up". So, how would we... expedite these "corrections", that doesn't necessarily cost Cryptic tons of money?
Petition for the creation and filling of a "volunteer GM group", made up of prominent players. Players who, like Dental and the "Dental family of fleets" are dedicated enough, willing enough, and have demonstrated the desire to "sacrifice their playtime" in order to "patrol the game against violations of a code" - but in this case it would be the Terms of Service, not any "personal code"...
Which I then recognized would leave Dental in a quandary. How could they continue on their "personal crusade" as the "appointed guardians against the evils of ERP", when the Terms of Service does not consider the basic acts of ERP - gathering in a social zone, using the in-game chat system, and occasionally using an emote - as "wrong"? Especially after "restricting" the enforcement abilities of the volunteer GM group to "only violations of the Terms of Service"?
That would require another petition, this one to "codify" ERP as "illegal" under the Terms of Service.
Especially in light of, and the whole reason I went "comic book vigilante" as the opening theme of my original post, the fact that Dental's current "tactics" used to... disperse ERPers... is, as per the letter of the ToS, "illegal" under the category of "harassing other players", because of their very lack of "proper in game methods to deal with the perpetrators". Much like Batman uses "criminal acts" like Breaking and Entering, Illegal gathering of Evidence, overt displays of force much greater than what is, at that exact second, necessary to put an end to the potential crime, etc., though gets called a "hero" for his actions instead of being thrown immediately into jail.
And sadly, because those affected by this would obviously begin to scream "tainted volunteers", Cryptic would have to create or delegate an "official" section that monitors the GMs to "make sure" that only actual violations of the codified Terms of Service are met with "punishment" - this would help keep Dental's, or the other volunteer GM's, sterling reputations as "appropriate dispensers of justice" clear and above reproach of "someone's abusing their powers"...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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I had not thought that deeply into it, but wow. Dead on!
As morally reprehensible you may find violence, it is often times the best solution. Anyways, it is impossible for me to hunt someone down on an anonymous medium, and very likely far too costly to travel there even if I could, for mere annoyance in a pixelated fashion. Meaning, I may WANT to do it, but it just ain't gonna happen.
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
As for the stated reason you're not enacting out your "best solution" on known individuals, only being the cost of travel to those you consider "cyber bullies"; I have to ask: at what travel distance do you start to "throatpunch" other players?
This kind of tautology is useless to debate. Please explain what you mean by 'threat' here, because I'm not following your meaning.
Ask Tuvok, he knows.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
Let's not get our hair in a knot over something that isn't even there, m'kay?
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Got a Mirror Fleet? I could dig that.
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
"Terran Empire 1st Fleet", send a tell to whoever is on.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
Yeah, that is not an acceptable way to address problems.
Okay, this sounds funny as TRIBBLE ! I wish you had taken a video of this! I would have loved to have seen this and chuckle my TRIBBLE off!
Where the TRIBBLE am I when funny TRIBBLE like this goes down?!
You made the point once, twice, three times... you've reached the point of just plain harassment and bullying your views here with personal attacks. So again no surprise you support harassment in game.
But let me guess, Dental member, so of course Mods and Devs will cater and protect them from anything regarding it.
some people think that if they repeat a lie enough times it will magically become true
Just what I said. Leave it to me, in my haste to "condense" the post, to confuse practically everybody...
So, to "expand" upon what I said (translation: Warning, Wall of Text)
Instead of using a Comic book analogy, let me use an actual STO analogy. Starfleet Dental vs. ERPers.
To the "average player", like me, a father concerned about what my son might read in prominent social zone text boxes, Dental's crusade against ERP is "heroic" - keeping the chat channels clean and appropriate to the "Teen" rating of the game.
However, to the "average ERPer", since Dental lacks... official enforcement tools... the techniques used to "perform this cleansing" can, and frequently is, considered "hooliganism" by those on the receiving end of the "cleansing antics".
Who's ultimately right? Me and/or my son? Dental? The ERPer?
And the truthful answer to that question is but one entity. Cryptic. And they have advised us of what is, and is not, "acceptable" behavior on their servers, through the Terms of Service.
Now we all are fairly aware that Cryptic does not have a... robust... in-game GM "police squad" to handle reports of violations. And this leads to periods where "potential ToS violaters" have extended periods to perpetrate their violations, and maybe even plenty of time to get out "before the law shows up". So, how would we... expedite these "corrections", that doesn't necessarily cost Cryptic tons of money?
Petition for the creation and filling of a "volunteer GM group", made up of prominent players. Players who, like Dental and the "Dental family of fleets" are dedicated enough, willing enough, and have demonstrated the desire to "sacrifice their playtime" in order to "patrol the game against violations of a code" - but in this case it would be the Terms of Service, not any "personal code"...
Which I then recognized would leave Dental in a quandary. How could they continue on their "personal crusade" as the "appointed guardians against the evils of ERP", when the Terms of Service does not consider the basic acts of ERP - gathering in a social zone, using the in-game chat system, and occasionally using an emote - as "wrong"? Especially after "restricting" the enforcement abilities of the volunteer GM group to "only violations of the Terms of Service"?
That would require another petition, this one to "codify" ERP as "illegal" under the Terms of Service.
Especially in light of, and the whole reason I went "comic book vigilante" as the opening theme of my original post, the fact that Dental's current "tactics" used to... disperse ERPers... is, as per the letter of the ToS, "illegal" under the category of "harassing other players", because of their very lack of "proper in game methods to deal with the perpetrators". Much like Batman uses "criminal acts" like Breaking and Entering, Illegal gathering of Evidence, overt displays of force much greater than what is, at that exact second, necessary to put an end to the potential crime, etc., though gets called a "hero" for his actions instead of being thrown immediately into jail.
And sadly, because those affected by this would obviously begin to scream "tainted volunteers", Cryptic would have to create or delegate an "official" section that monitors the GMs to "make sure" that only actual violations of the codified Terms of Service are met with "punishment" - this would help keep Dental's, or the other volunteer GM's, sterling reputations as "appropriate dispensers of justice" clear and above reproach of "someone's abusing their powers"...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]