Personally I don't think a trek film will ever be a 5/5
You guys voting 5's are waaaaaay too generous. Seriously.
For those voting 5/5 .... Are you comparing this "Only to other Trek movies" ?
Or Movies in general ?
Because there is no way this movie is perfect if you compare it to other great films..
Pulp fiction is like 4/5
Shawshank Redemtion is like a 4/5
Casablanca is like a 4/5
and ST Beyond...is a 5/5.... uhhhmmmmm no. LOL
I smell Fanboy.
I smell Hipster being snarky. Because he has nothing better to do with his time than annoy grownups.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Personally I don't think a trek film will ever be a 5/5
You guys voting 5's are waaaaaay too generous. Seriously.
People are just reacting to how much they enjoyed the film. Since we're not exactly Siskel and Ebert here there's no reason to be stingy with the top ratings. While I'll admit it isn't a perfect 5/7, we're not using a massive strict grading scale anyways. And besides you're here to be the one judge on the Olympic panel to keep the scores down with your low ranking!
Oh, and not ONE word about why Carol Marcus is no longer on board. Kirk made it sound like they havnt been back to earth in 3 years, so its not like they sent her back there, in person anyways. Guess she could have hitched a ride back home on another ship, or stayed on a Yorktown type starbase, but to introduce her as THE mother of his son and now staying on board for the 5 year mission, then not mention her at all in the next movie is a huge disservice to her rack, I mean the actress, I mean the character.
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There's only one Yorktown base, they say in the movie it's brand new and the first of its kind.
Also, we have no idea if Carol Marcus is going to have Kirk's baby in this timeline, they never indicated either way in STiD that the two of them ever got together that way.
So not showing her on the ship means nothing, other than she isn't on the ship... 2.5 years later.
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I really enjoyed this film. I especially loved Yorktown and was secretly hoping for a Starbase Yorktown series to come to light. Given that the USS Franklin was a Federation Starfleet vessel at the time of its loss, it would be logical to assume that the Franklin was an old Earth Starfleet ship commissioned to help fill holes in the newly established Federation Starfleet. I loved the new probably what I would call the Class As (the ones where Kirk talks with Commodore Paris) and the landing party ones were great too. Kirk had some great lines like ripped my shirt again and calling his life episodic. Yet, the best part was when Spock found that picture.
Personally I don't think a trek film will ever be a 5/5
You guys voting 5's are waaaaaay too generous. Seriously.
For those voting 5/5 .... Are you comparing this "Only to other Trek movies" ?
Or Movies in general ?
Because there is no way this movie is perfect if you compare it to other great films..
Pulp fiction is like 4/5
Shawshank Redemtion is like a 4/5
Casablanca is like a 4/5
and ST Beyond...is a 5/5.... uhhhmmmmm no. LOL
I smell Fanboy.
Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption, and Casablanca aren't science fiction films.
So, Beyond was a 5/5 SciFi movie ?
That's high praise.
I wouldn't even rate Aliens more then 4.5/5 , but then again maybe I'm pretty demanding.
My point was no matter the genre there is rarely a perfect film. Maybe your criteria differs. I was just curious at all the 5's in here.
Personally I don't think a trek film will ever be a 5/5
You guys voting 5's are waaaaaay too generous. Seriously.
For those voting 5/5 .... Are you comparing this "Only to other Trek movies" ?
Or Movies in general ?
Because there is no way this movie is perfect if you compare it to other great films..
Pulp fiction is like 4/5
Shawshank Redemtion is like a 4/5
Casablanca is like a 4/5
and ST Beyond...is a 5/5.... uhhhmmmmm no. LOL
I smell Fanboy.
I smell Hipster being snarky. Because he has nothing better to do with his time than annoy grownups.
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Personally I don't think a trek film will ever be a 5/5
You guys voting 5's are waaaaaay too generous. Seriously.
People are just reacting to how much they enjoyed the film. Since we're not exactly Siskel and Ebert here there's no reason to be stingy with the top ratings. While I'll admit it isn't a perfect 5/7, we're not using a massive strict grading scale anyways. And besides you're here to be the one judge on the Olympic panel to keep the scores down with your low ranking!
There's also no reason to be so loose and fast with the 5's either. But I get ya.
Personally I don't think a trek film will ever be a 5/5
You guys voting 5's are waaaaaay too generous. Seriously.
Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to rating movies. This isn't some gauge of definitive quality on where this movie stands when compared to other movies out there. If it isn't a 5/5 in your opinion that fine, but its probably a 5/5, or 2/5, or 0/5 in other peoples opinions. Nothing wrong with that either really.
That being said, I gave this a 4/5 mostly due to entertainment value than anything else. This was a really fun movie, the fact that it was also a Star Trek movie is just the icing on the cake. Granted it may not be as thought provoking, or as good as other films out there, but that doesn't mean its a strictly worse movie just because it isn't. That being said, I understand your argument, but I just don't see a point in criticising people who liked this movie enough to give it a 5/5.
I really really liked it. It's definitely a sequel of sorts to ENT as well as a continuation of TAR. It still dosn't edge out TUC as my favourite, but it's enormous fun.
But I think I've pinpointed what's so great about it. It's a film first. All of the TOS films were like feature length episodes of the show, in effect so were all the TNG ones with only FC and N being anyway close to a blockbuster and not a glorified TV episode.
The KT takes the idea of a film series and runs with it but B is the one that really manages to be a blockbuster with a soul. I loved 09 and ID but there were elements in them that I really disliked (the interiors of 09 and ID, Harrison being called Khan, S31s new uniforms etc.) but I can't think of anything I disliked about this one.
Well one thing, where the hell did Krell get all the pilots for his Swarm?
1) A commodore can't offer you a Vice Admiral (three star) position.
You can in Starfleet because it happened.
Edit: Two deck saucer, so not a window every other deck, but combine that with the clear sized bridge window with far more transition shots through it and the action scene on the saucer it would appear the ships is still built to ~360m even after the ID refit. Going by the construction shots and the cutaway of the saucer, the A is also similarly sized.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Really? Why Thank you! it's so nice to be recognized for my hard work. I just adore being a FanBoy.
And the fact doing so annoys people like you is bonus.
In fact I am going to tell all the people I know, you said the movie was epic in scope and stature
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Personally I don't think a trek film will ever be a 5/5
You guys voting 5's are waaaaaay too generous. Seriously.
Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to rating movies. This isn't some gauge of definitive quality on where this movie stands when compared to other movies out there. If it isn't a 5/5 in your opinion that fine, but its probably a 5/5, or 2/5, or 0/5 in other peoples opinions. Nothing wrong with that either really.
That being said, I gave this a 4/5 mostly due to entertainment value than anything else. This was a really fun movie, the fact that it was also a Star Trek movie is just the icing on the cake. Granted it may not be as thought provoking, or as good as other films out there, but that doesn't mean its a strictly worse movie just because it isn't. That being said, I understand your argument, but I just don't see a point in criticising people who liked this movie enough to give it a 5/5.
Yeah, I'm was just curious about the perfect scores. There's a lot of them in here, and that surprised me.
While I did enjoy it, and it was entertaining, I just find it very, very generous to score it a 5. But I guess like you and snoggy said, we're not Siskel and Ebert, and other people may have it enjoyed it more for whatever reason.
Reasons I'm trying to understand.
Really? Why Thank you! it's so nice to be recognized for my hard work. I just adore being a FanBoy.
And the fact doing so annoys people like you is bonus.
In fact I am going to tell all the people I know, you said the movie was epic in scope and stature
What hard work ?
I'll bet you relish in it daily.
Doesn't annoy me at all, however, the 5's do confuse me somewhat.
Tell them what you want, that never stopped you before.
Personally I don't think a trek film will ever be a 5/5
You guys voting 5's are waaaaaay too generous. Seriously.
For those voting 5/5 .... Are you comparing this "Only to other Trek movies" ?
Or Movies in general ?
Because there is no way this movie is perfect if you compare it to other great films..
Pulp fiction is like 4/5
Shawshank Redemtion is like a 4/5
Casablanca is like a 4/5
and ST Beyond...is a 5/5.... uhhhmmmmm no. LOL
I smell Fanboy.
If you're scoring films on an absolute scale you're doing it wrong.
The only rating of 5 on a scale of 1-5 that I would offer a Star Trek film would be given Wrath of Khan. For reasons that I'm sure only matter to me, I chose to withhold my money from Beyond's opening weekend. I did, however, see it today (Monday). That said, when I'm completely honest, Star Trek Beyond was a solid 4 for me.
It was what I would have preferred as follow-up to Star Trek '09. This would have offered something a bit more solid for film number three to build upon. I'm sure that that's how it went down in an alternate timeline.
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I very much enjoyed the banter between McCoy and Spock, yes it was there in the first two KT movies but it was done to perfection in Beyond, gotta gives props to Karl Urban and Zachary Quintos here.
For all intents and purpose, they are McCoy and Spock and it reminded me of the banter of Deforest Kelly and Leonard Nimoy's McCoy and Spock in so many ways.
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The crew interaction was definitely great. And they all got some stuff to do.
I did not find the villain's motivation all that plausible, and it felt that the type of forces he had were not well explained. It seems a lot of things happened because that's what they needed to happen for the scenes they wanted to show, but not making as much sense as it could.
What the heck did he need his bio-super-weapon for? His swarm seemed to be able to destroy the station on its own, completely unbeatable by one of the finest ships in Starfleet and seemingly quite able to also deal with Yorktown's defenses.
I think that scene would have worked better if he was trying to smuggle himself into the station and his mining drones were just left behind to stop the Franklin from getting to Yorktown.
I don't know if this was a problem with my cinema or the movie, but some scenes were too dark for me to make out anything, and some camera movements I couldn't follow or got me confused.
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The crew interaction was definitely great. And they all got some stuff to do.
I did not find the villain's motivation all that plausible, and it felt that the type of forces he had were not well explained. It seems a lot of things happened because that's what they needed to happen for the scenes they wanted to show, but not making as much sense as it could.
What the heck did he need his bio-super-weapon for? His swarm seemed to be able to destroy the station on its own, completely unbeatable by one of the finest ships in Starfleet and seemingly quite able to also deal with Yorktown's defenses.
I think that scene would have worked better if he was trying to smuggle himself into the station and his mining drones were just left behind to stop the Franklin from getting to Yorktown.
I don't know if this was a problem with my cinema or the movie, but some scenes were too dark for me to make out anything, and some camera movements I couldn't follow or got me confused.
Pretty sure Krall wanted Yorktown intact so he would have a stable beach head to launch attacks on other Federation outposts, and planets. His Swarm ships likely would have torn most of the station apart hunting down all of the people that were stationed on Yorktown. Using the weapon would have eliminated every obstacle relatively easily for him, and kept the majority of the station intact. Plus I don't think Krall could over rely on his Swarm ships, given that the outdated Franklin managed to obliterate the majority of his swarm with a unorthodox, yet simple tech gimmick.
As for his motivations, they put a bitter, battle hardened Maco in charge of a starship, and then sent him out into deep space. Not only is this guy probably mad at Earth's MACO detachment being shut down, but then he gets trapped on a planet, and watches his crew die while there is no starfleet rescue in site. Having that linger at the back of your head for about a hundred years, combined with whatever horrible acts he committed to prolong his life, and this guy was pushed over the deep end. Then one day he suddenly locates Federation comm chatter, and what he hears is the happy peace loving Federation that from his perspective, has forgotten about him, and utterly failed to save his crew. I think his misgivings seems fairly plausible from his perspective especially when you take into account that the guy is probably crazy at this point due to all the alien tech he had subjected himself to.
Also yeah, I noticed a few camera movement issues as well. Some of the night time scenes were a tad too dark as well.
I thought into darkness was 100 times better personally. This movie was just ok im kinda fed up with this new theme in these movies of the bitter starfleet person and starfleet is the the real enemy and all this liberal garbage. Idris elba is a good actor but this villian was just a poorly done khan ripoff. The plot was quite wierd i mean seriously this guy had a 100 years to plan this attack and this was the best he could do? attack a new york city space station LOL /smh
not the best trek movie not the worst but i dont see myself watching it again
If there was an option for "don't know/haven't seen yet" that's what I would pick as I am unable to know yet, but judging from the comments my opinion remains neutral until I can see it someday with an open mind. Sounds like it may be a redeeming film so at least glad for that. If the new kelvin universe take on trek fails, well the prime timeline probably dies and gets buried with it.
Speaking as someone who disliked the first one and hated the second one with the blazing fury of a thousand suns...
I really liked Beyond. Liked it better than Nemesis. Liked it as much as First Contact. It really is that good.
Anyone who considers themselves a Trek fan owes it to themselves to see this movie at some point. This is the Kelvin Timeline's redemption. This is Simon Pegg apologizing with every fiber of his being for Into Darkness even though it wasn't his fault. It's not going to challenge the likes of Wrath of Khan or Undiscovered Country, but Beyond is a worthy addition to the franchise.
I rate it a damn solid 4, which is better than I'd rate more than half of the pre-JJ movies.
I saw on the news this morning, it didn't do as well on opening weekend compared to Darkness. They reported it was a 14% drop in earnings.
I'm not surprised, honestly. Into Darkness did a damn fine job of taking a giant dump all over the franchise, so it's perfectly logical people might assume the same of Beyond.
I'm estimating the Enterprise had a crew of around 400 (based on it's smaller interior space than the TMP version due to stupidly oversized sets taking up most of the space) and the Franklin is about the size of the NX or Defiant, so space to cram maybe a hundred people, which is conveniently also the amount that seemed to have survived looking at the scenes of the prisoners.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I'm estimating the Enterprise had a crew of around 400 (based on it's smaller interior space than the TMP version due to stupidly oversized sets taking up most of the space) and the Franklin is about the size of the NX or Defiant, so space to cram maybe a hundred people, which is conveniently also the amount that seemed to have survived looking at the scenes of the prisoners.
The number of scenes showing those groups of people being beamed out suggest a similar number, we know that Scotty thought they could beam out no more than 20 at once. I think we haven't seen more than 5 beam-outs. (Of course, there could have been off-screen beam-outs.)
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I'm estimating the Enterprise had a crew of around 400 (based on it's smaller interior space than the TMP version due to stupidly oversized sets taking up most of the space) and the Franklin is about the size of the NX or Defiant, so space to cram maybe a hundred people, which is conveniently also the amount that seemed to have survived looking at the scenes of the prisoners.
The number of scenes showing those groups of people being beamed out suggest a similar number, we know that Scotty thought they could beam out no more than 20 at once. I think we haven't seen more than 5 beam-outs. (Of course, there could have been off-screen beam-outs.)
I think the timing of the sequence makes off-screen ones unlikely, one or two at the most, but the sequence was happening in real time with little opportunity for others.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I just returned from the cinema as my wife and I watched it today following a spontaneous decision and me being being grumpy and needing a distraction.
Targ's verdict: Meh. 2.5/5 rounding it up for diplomatic reasons
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First things first, a tl;dr: It's not a terrible movie. It's not even a terrible Star Trek movie. But it is overall and completely... average. And I cannot understand the overwhelmingly positive reviews.
Visuals: Starting with mostly spoiler free impressions that are still very fresh, I didn't take notes so things may slip me, but as with both predecessors to this movie I still do not like the visuals. The hallways of the Enterprise still look like Captain Antilles corvette from ANH and the Yorktown, although refreshingly mid-20th century sci-fi is just a huge goofy ball of nonsense. It looks like those over the top space cities we see in Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor and similiar movies (which I like). But keep in mind I also do not like Dyson spheres, if you are a fan of this concept maybe the Yorktown thrills you more. The uniforms look better in this one, though, as they got rid of those Star Wars Imperial fascist uniforms for Starfleet, at least they do not show those anywhere. The Franklin is a odd ship but looked way better in motion than in the promotional stills. The planet really was your average sci-fi evil mining world and could be straight copy and pasted from a Star Wars movie, including the makeshift buildings and thingies build from scrap. The villians look ridiculous but continue Star Trek movie tradition. Wrinkly unsympathetic mini and big bosses, goons and minion clad in HALO-esque space marine armours (they actually look almost exactly like STOs Voth armours) that are naturally completely ineffective, typical Stormtrooper fodder.
Action: OH MY GOD MAKE IT STOP. Seriously. I like good action scenes, I even like hand-to-hand/martial arts scenes to a degree, but this was just excessive. Cut it out, I do not need fifteen minute sequences of people punching and kicking. In the first third of the movie leading up to the crash my wife at one point came over to me and said what I was thinking: We do not need to see every single crewmwmber kicking someone for five minutes. At this point in the movie it is superflous and builds no tension - we know nobody with a name will die here and we do not need to see all of them fighting generic goons - and not using a single missile dropkick in the process! Also something that applies to the ground and space action/combat likewise: Zoom out a bit! seriously, the action is so close, so dark and full of mid-00s shaky cam you can hardly see what is going on while all the explosions, DU-DU-DU Star Wars engines and punches and kicks hammer onto your brain. I do not condone all action scenes, but considering the very sensitive weaknesses this flick has, less would have been more here, definitely.
Plot: This is the "kicker" but requires to be tagged.
This is what makes the movie so average - the villian, played by Idris Elba, comes with one of the flimsiest motivation to cast the universe into chaos like ever. We are used to wrinkly faced bad guys driven by revenge consuming them in Star Trek (movies) but what was this fuss all about? Krall, aka. Edison (Elba) was a MACO prior to the foundation of the UFP and fought Earth's wars. He was a decorated war hero and all that, but once the UFP was founded the militaries of the member worlds were disbanded, MACOs are no more and Edison, a ground commander, got a command in Starfleet exploring the universe. So far so confusing, but what's more confusing is that this assignment pissed him off so much that he wanted to end the Federation. Seriously. He literally states he couldn't stand to now have a command which would encounter aliens in peace, he's such a traumatised tragic hero that literally all he knows is war and needs to go on fighting forever. What kind of nonsense is this? Don't soldiers fight a war so there can be peace again? I think this is a very disrespectful message about soldiers right here and once again makes absolutely no sense. Sure, during this new command he didn't like the ship got lost, nobody came to rescue him, his crew died and he went crazy - but we had this setup in the shows already and it was handled better. Add the Deus-Ex machina that made him a wrinkly faced vampire to explain why he's still around and you have your generic evil villian number 3785.
What's even worse is that this could have worked better if we had spent the least bit of time getting to know Edison and the crew of the Franklin at all. Cut ten to fifteen minutes of people in the dark kicking faces and start the movie on the frigging Franklin, show his conflict, show what happened here so we can at least understand what is going on aside from "Hurr-Durr-Me Fighting WAAAGH!". Also, tell us more about the world we are on aside from "it was a mining world, natives left and we found hundred thousand of mining drones we now made into suicide bombers". Was the whole ship swarm kamikaze thing meant to be an anology on suicide bombing? I don't get it.
Continuity: What's very positive is that my headcanon is pleased. We firmly establishing tha tthe KT follows ENT, referencing the uniforms and MACOs and give a brief glimpse of what happened afterwards. The Franklin works visually, the registry thing is a bit off but I am fairly certain the registry number is a real-life nod to something, just like the USS Holmes, NCC-221-B in TNG. Little nods here and there like original TOS sound effects are nicely done.
Crew and tributes: What indeed is nice about the movie is the character interaction, although I have to say at this point I watched the German dubbed version as it is almost impossible to find a original dubbed screening in 2D where I live. It basically doesn't happen. The German dubbing is average to terrible, with Chekov being dubbed in a ridiculous stereotypical russian accent while nobody else got one. It is very distracting and doesn't do the original act justice at all. Also, Scotty loses almost all of his charme in this dubbing. I do not hold that against the movie - as I said, the chemistry between the characters works, aside from the obnoxious and superflous CGI R2 sidekick of Scotty. I literally don't get it. Speaking of which, the tiny monkey aliens in the beginning were also too much of a comic relief moment, but they lead to a Kirk shirt-rip - although only on the sleeves. If you rip Kirk's uniform, do it right!
The tribute paid to Nimoy came a bit awkwardly shoehorned in at first, but the later scene was beautiful.
Quinto Spock finding a photography of the original movie cast amongst his things was simply beautiful. I cried like a little targlet. No kidding, I literally started weeping.
Some of the tunes used tribute elements to the TOS theme and TMP/TNG theme which were also nice.
Conclusion: In regards to the new movies this was indeed the best one. Overall coherent, visuals are not such a big mess, no brewery engine rooms or the like and the uniforms were way better. They really overdid the action to a point it gets boring - during the first third we do not need another crisis and another crisis and another crisis popping up while we see a dozen times that the ships rip apart the Enterprise all the while we relentlessly kick goons in the face. It's too much. The plot itself is too thin and only very briefly hints at a sort of depth that Star Trek would have touched better in it's original show format. The actors do a nice job, we are spared the overly juvenile humour of 09 and see the crew a bit matured. Tearing them apart and reuniting them works rather well and is the glimmer of light shining here.
In total, as I stated before, not terrible but nothing above average - both as a Star Trek and "just" a movie. I will rent it to see it again in it's original version, but apart from that I wouldn't need to watch it again.
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Comments
I smell Hipster being snarky. Because he has nothing better to do with his time than annoy grownups.
People are just reacting to how much they enjoyed the film. Since we're not exactly Siskel and Ebert here there's no reason to be stingy with the top ratings. While I'll admit it isn't a perfect 5/7, we're not using a massive strict grading scale anyways. And besides you're here to be the one judge on the Olympic panel to keep the scores down with your low ranking!
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Also, we have no idea if Carol Marcus is going to have Kirk's baby in this timeline, they never indicated either way in STiD that the two of them ever got together that way.
So not showing her on the ship means nothing, other than she isn't on the ship... 2.5 years later.
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You serious...5 ? out of 5 ? You of all people.
So, Beyond was a 5/5 SciFi movie ?
That's high praise.
I wouldn't even rate Aliens more then 4.5/5 , but then again maybe I'm pretty demanding.
My point was no matter the genre there is rarely a perfect film. Maybe your criteria differs. I was just curious at all the 5's in here.
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There's also no reason to be so loose and fast with the 5's either.
Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to rating movies. This isn't some gauge of definitive quality on where this movie stands when compared to other movies out there. If it isn't a 5/5 in your opinion that fine, but its probably a 5/5, or 2/5, or 0/5 in other peoples opinions. Nothing wrong with that either really.
That being said, I gave this a 4/5 mostly due to entertainment value than anything else. This was a really fun movie, the fact that it was also a Star Trek movie is just the icing on the cake. Granted it may not be as thought provoking, or as good as other films out there, but that doesn't mean its a strictly worse movie just because it isn't. That being said, I understand your argument, but I just don't see a point in criticising people who liked this movie enough to give it a 5/5.
But I think I've pinpointed what's so great about it. It's a film first. All of the TOS films were like feature length episodes of the show, in effect so were all the TNG ones with only FC and N being anyway close to a blockbuster and not a glorified TV episode.
The KT takes the idea of a film series and runs with it but B is the one that really manages to be a blockbuster with a soul. I loved 09 and ID but there were elements in them that I really disliked (the interiors of 09 and ID, Harrison being called Khan, S31s new uniforms etc.) but I can't think of anything I disliked about this one.
Well one thing, where the hell did Krell get all the pilots for his Swarm?
You can in Starfleet because it happened.
Edit: Two deck saucer, so not a window every other deck, but combine that with the clear sized bridge window with far more transition shots through it and the action scene on the saucer it would appear the ships is still built to ~360m even after the ID refit. Going by the construction shots and the cutaway of the saucer, the A is also similarly sized.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Really? Why Thank you! it's so nice to be recognized for my hard work. I just adore being a FanBoy.
And the fact doing so annoys people like you is bonus.
In fact I am going to tell all the people I know, you said the movie was epic in scope and stature
Yeah, I'm was just curious about the perfect scores. There's a lot of them in here, and that surprised me.
While I did enjoy it, and it was entertaining, I just find it very, very generous to score it a 5. But I guess like you and snoggy said, we're not Siskel and Ebert, and other people may have it enjoyed it more for whatever reason.
Reasons I'm trying to understand.
What hard work ?
I'll bet you relish in it daily.
Doesn't annoy me at all, however, the 5's do confuse me somewhat.
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It was what I would have preferred as follow-up to Star Trek '09. This would have offered something a bit more solid for film number three to build upon. I'm sure that that's how it went down in an alternate timeline.
For all intents and purpose, they are McCoy and Spock and it reminded me of the banter of Deforest Kelly and Leonard Nimoy's McCoy and Spock in so many ways.
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I did not find the villain's motivation all that plausible, and it felt that the type of forces he had were not well explained. It seems a lot of things happened because that's what they needed to happen for the scenes they wanted to show, but not making as much sense as it could.
I think that scene would have worked better if he was trying to smuggle himself into the station and his mining drones were just left behind to stop the Franklin from getting to Yorktown.
I don't know if this was a problem with my cinema or the movie, but some scenes were too dark for me to make out anything, and some camera movements I couldn't follow or got me confused.
As for his motivations, they put a bitter, battle hardened Maco in charge of a starship, and then sent him out into deep space. Not only is this guy probably mad at Earth's MACO detachment being shut down, but then he gets trapped on a planet, and watches his crew die while there is no starfleet rescue in site. Having that linger at the back of your head for about a hundred years, combined with whatever horrible acts he committed to prolong his life, and this guy was pushed over the deep end. Then one day he suddenly locates Federation comm chatter, and what he hears is the happy peace loving Federation that from his perspective, has forgotten about him, and utterly failed to save his crew. I think his misgivings seems fairly plausible from his perspective especially when you take into account that the guy is probably crazy at this point due to all the alien tech he had subjected himself to.
Also yeah, I noticed a few camera movement issues as well. Some of the night time scenes were a tad too dark as well.
not the best trek movie not the worst but i dont see myself watching it again
I really liked Beyond. Liked it better than Nemesis. Liked it as much as First Contact. It really is that good.
Anyone who considers themselves a Trek fan owes it to themselves to see this movie at some point. This is the Kelvin Timeline's redemption. This is Simon Pegg apologizing with every fiber of his being for Into Darkness even though it wasn't his fault. It's not going to challenge the likes of Wrath of Khan or Undiscovered Country, but Beyond is a worthy addition to the franchise.
I rate it a damn solid 4, which is better than I'd rate more than half of the pre-JJ movies.
I'm not surprised, honestly. Into Darkness did a damn fine job of taking a giant dump all over the franchise, so it's perfectly logical people might assume the same of Beyond.
I feel sorry for them.
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I'm estimating the Enterprise had a crew of around 400 (based on it's smaller interior space than the TMP version due to stupidly oversized sets taking up most of the space) and the Franklin is about the size of the NX or Defiant, so space to cram maybe a hundred people, which is conveniently also the amount that seemed to have survived looking at the scenes of the prisoners.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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The number of scenes showing those groups of people being beamed out suggest a similar number, we know that Scotty thought they could beam out no more than 20 at once. I think we haven't seen more than 5 beam-outs. (Of course, there could have been off-screen beam-outs.)
I think the timing of the sequence makes off-screen ones unlikely, one or two at the most, but the sequence was happening in real time with little opportunity for others.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Targ's verdict: Meh
I try to avoid spoilers and add a spoiler tag when I ger substantial regarding the movies' plot, still continue to read at your own risk.
First things first, a tl;dr: It's not a terrible movie. It's not even a terrible Star Trek movie. But it is overall and completely... average. And I cannot understand the overwhelmingly positive reviews.
Visuals: Starting with mostly spoiler free impressions that are still very fresh, I didn't take notes so things may slip me, but as with both predecessors to this movie I still do not like the visuals. The hallways of the Enterprise still look like Captain Antilles corvette from ANH and the Yorktown, although refreshingly mid-20th century sci-fi is just a huge goofy ball of nonsense. It looks like those over the top space cities we see in Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor and similiar movies (which I like). But keep in mind I also do not like Dyson spheres, if you are a fan of this concept maybe the Yorktown thrills you more. The uniforms look better in this one, though, as they got rid of those Star Wars Imperial fascist uniforms for Starfleet, at least they do not show those anywhere. The Franklin is a odd ship but looked way better in motion than in the promotional stills. The planet really was your average sci-fi evil mining world and could be straight copy and pasted from a Star Wars movie, including the makeshift buildings and thingies build from scrap. The villians look ridiculous but continue Star Trek movie tradition. Wrinkly unsympathetic mini and big bosses, goons and minion clad in HALO-esque space marine armours (they actually look almost exactly like STOs Voth armours) that are naturally completely ineffective, typical Stormtrooper fodder.
Action: OH MY GOD MAKE IT STOP. Seriously. I like good action scenes, I even like hand-to-hand/martial arts scenes to a degree, but this was just excessive. Cut it out, I do not need fifteen minute sequences of people punching and kicking. In the first third of the movie leading up to the crash my wife at one point came over to me and said what I was thinking: We do not need to see every single crewmwmber kicking someone for five minutes. At this point in the movie it is superflous and builds no tension - we know nobody with a name will die here and we do not need to see all of them fighting generic goons - and not using a single missile dropkick in the process! Also something that applies to the ground and space action/combat likewise: Zoom out a bit! seriously, the action is so close, so dark and full of mid-00s shaky cam you can hardly see what is going on while all the explosions, DU-DU-DU Star Wars engines and punches and kicks hammer onto your brain. I do not condone all action scenes, but considering the very sensitive weaknesses this flick has, less would have been more here, definitely.
Plot: This is the "kicker" but requires to be tagged.
What's even worse is that this could have worked better if we had spent the least bit of time getting to know Edison and the crew of the Franklin at all. Cut ten to fifteen minutes of people in the dark kicking faces and start the movie on the frigging Franklin, show his conflict, show what happened here so we can at least understand what is going on aside from "Hurr-Durr-Me Fighting WAAAGH!". Also, tell us more about the world we are on aside from "it was a mining world, natives left and we found hundred thousand of mining drones we now made into suicide bombers". Was the whole ship swarm kamikaze thing meant to be an anology on suicide bombing? I don't get it.
Continuity: What's very positive is that my headcanon is pleased. We firmly establishing tha tthe KT follows ENT, referencing the uniforms and MACOs and give a brief glimpse of what happened afterwards. The Franklin works visually, the registry thing is a bit off but I am fairly certain the registry number is a real-life nod to something, just like the USS Holmes, NCC-221-B in TNG. Little nods here and there like original TOS sound effects are nicely done.
Crew and tributes: What indeed is nice about the movie is the character interaction, although I have to say at this point I watched the German dubbed version as it is almost impossible to find a original dubbed screening in 2D where I live. It basically doesn't happen. The German dubbing is average to terrible, with Chekov being dubbed in a ridiculous stereotypical russian accent while nobody else got one. It is very distracting and doesn't do the original act justice at all. Also, Scotty loses almost all of his charme in this dubbing. I do not hold that against the movie - as I said, the chemistry between the characters works, aside from the obnoxious and superflous CGI R2 sidekick of Scotty. I literally don't get it. Speaking of which, the tiny monkey aliens in the beginning were also too much of a comic relief moment, but they lead to a Kirk shirt-rip - although only on the sleeves. If you rip Kirk's uniform, do it right!
The tribute paid to Nimoy came a bit awkwardly shoehorned in at first, but the later scene was beautiful.
Conclusion: In regards to the new movies this was indeed the best one. Overall coherent, visuals are not such a big mess, no brewery engine rooms or the like and the uniforms were way better. They really overdid the action to a point it gets boring - during the first third we do not need another crisis and another crisis and another crisis popping up while we see a dozen times that the ships rip apart the Enterprise all the while we relentlessly kick goons in the face. It's too much. The plot itself is too thin and only very briefly hints at a sort of depth that Star Trek would have touched better in it's original show format. The actors do a nice job, we are spared the overly juvenile humour of 09 and see the crew a bit matured. Tearing them apart and reuniting them works rather well and is the glimmer of light shining here.
In total, as I stated before, not terrible but nothing above average - both as a Star Trek and "just" a movie. I will rent it to see it again in it's original version, but apart from that I wouldn't need to watch it again.
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