Don't worry crash, your opinion about the movie is gravely needed to keep the cosmic balance (powered by Defera) to those people who cannot take criticism about it without having to go personal\speculative on the person voicing their opinion instead of considering that the film has some serious cinematic flaws that have nothing to do with "fan battles".
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Finally found a copy ( a major bummer ). You'd think Disney owned the rights to it they way it was wiped from site to site. Only 4 pages in Google? Far out.
I hope this wasn't something you counted against the movie itself since it has nothing to do with anything.
I will say, though I wish you hadn't, I can't really blame you for piracy. You had exceedingly low expectations of the film, and in your shoes, I would have done the same thing. That's how I avoided spending money on Duke Nukem Forever - bullet effing dodged. That said, I hope you use this method very sparingly...
Saucer scene, Generations..........yo, rip off to the max, dude. Not cool.
And immediately you start digging for any reason to dislike the movie. Did you get mad at Best of Both Worlds for separating the saucer? I mean, they already did that in Arsenal of Freedom, so obviously they're just recycling scenes.
God forbid the movies show saucer separation being used for its in-universe intended purpose.
The ship can go to warp and escape a Quantum Singularity with no warp core ( I don't buy the " there was enough anti-matter in the core, the core it's self was ejected ), so it should be able to go to warp with no nacelle's.
You're being stupid on purpose here.
Okay, you don't buy the antimatter chamber thing. That's fine. '09 was terrible anyway. So why knock it for fixing the problem you had with the first one? You're pointing it out here like it's somehow wrong or bad, but they actually did something right.
JJTrek Scotty could of fixed the communicator with two sticks, a rock and the elastic from his Starfleet issued underwear like real Scotty. But he didn't.
You're seriously just making things up to complain about, aren't you?
I swear JJTrek Checkov and Scotty kept dropping accents. Wonder if the sound guy kept falling asleep during filming. Then again, it was recorded with a hidden camera in the cinema with Russian subtitles when the aliens spoke, so who knows? And why a English spoken film with Russian subtitles from only the aliens when they spoke their language?
Anton Yelchin was raised by native Russians, so while his Chekov inflection may have dropped in and out (I didn't notice), his accent certainly didn't. I didn't notice anything odd about Pegg either but if we're being honest, Pegg's Scotty, while fun, is perhaps the least faithful to the original characters in these movies. Dropping out of accent would be the least noticeable thing "off" about his interpretation. Consider this could also be an issue of the quality of your pirated recording.
I thought that the ship being destroyed in the manner it was, proved that it was made of balsa wood and sticky tape. Even the real Enterprise survived mostly intact when she blew her saucer section and entered the atmosphere. Also, did they remodel the ship, it looks different by the impulse engines and thinner neck?
Considering how many ships rammed it, I'm shocked it held up as long as it did. It took a couple of charges at the neck to finally sever it. The nacelles hung on for a bit, too, though they went easier.
I believe the ship underwent a refit after Into Darkness, but I try very hard to forget ID so I can't be sure. It definitely has different impulse engines from '09 to Beyond, though.
Actor's didn't give their all. Unless it was the script. They seemed like.........they where bored or fed up? ( I dunno )
I never got that impression. Could just be your pirated recording again. I wouldn't say Pine or Saldana were acting their hearts out, but they didn't feel like they were phoning it in either. Urban and Elba were giving it the effort they give everything, which is a lot (seriously these two guys are incredible actors). And Pegg was having a blast, like a kid in a Star Trek candy store, which isn't surprising given his hand in this. As I said earlier, he's a poor Scotty, but he's a blast to watch.
I did like the music score and JJ Bones description of that awful space station.
Also like JJ Bones. Sound effect where nice too.
Not even an acknowledgement of the Kirk/Bones moment on the Enterprise? Or Spock and McCoy's interactions post-landing? You're electing to ignore some textbook Trek. Surely even your jaded eyes could see a glimmer of things past beneath the Apple Store veneer? Or are you so intent to hate blindly that you would make no effort to see what good it has to offer? I'm not saying you have to like the movie, but are you really that incapable of a little objectivity? There is good in this movie, and it's not just Urban's McCoy.
In all, made it to 40:17 minutes before I just face/pawed, groaned and shut of the media player......and erased the movie.
You never intended to give this movie a chance. You went through the trouble of acquiring a recorded copy and watched less than half of it, but you didn't really watch the movie, you just looked for things you could use to say bad things about it. You complain they get something wrong, you complain they get something right - you just wanted to complain.
Still, at the absolute least, I can no longer say you've never attempted to see it. Even if it was little more than an act to justify more whining.
Don't worry crash, your opinion about the movie is gravely needed to keep the cosmic balance (powered by Defera) to those people who cannot take criticism about it without having to go personal\speculative on the person voicing their opinion instead of considering that the film has some serious cinematic flaws that have nothing to do with "fan battles".
I'm a bit surprised you're defending his inept "review", especially after yours was so thoughtful. I disagree with yours on a lot of points, but you at least gave it real consideration. Crash is just being a child, making up things to hate for hate's sake.
Wait until I see the second half, then crawl out from under your bridge.
I just want it known for the record that, of the numerous ways he could have chosen to respond to my breakdown of his review, his decision was to handwave it away by calling me a troll.
I further want it known for the record that despite knowing exactly what kind of person I was dealing with, I chose to attempt a sharp, thoughtful discussion anyway, and have no excuse for being surprised that this is the kind of response I received.
I'm a bit surprised you're defending his inept "review", especially after yours was so thoughtful. I disagree with yours on a lot of points, but you at least gave it real consideration. Crash is just being a child, making up things to hate for hate's sake.
Don't defend him. You're better than that.
As I said I find it important to have a opinion like crash's in here as long as we have the far end opposite kind of "reviews" as well. One can very well like or dislike it without the need to explain it further. One can even rightfully say to like or dislike it in the context of the Trek movie history as frankly most of them aren't really that good. But the endless praise for a movie which basically has some of tge worst tropes of modern cinema I can't understand. Maybe it's because the expectations were really low, I don't know.
I'm not sharing crash's opinion, but value the contribution to keep a balanced feel.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'd give it a 4 but.........to many WTF's, a motorbike that's been siting around in the Franklin with a full fuel tank that held intact petrol not going anywhere for 100 years that starts up with most likely stale fuel. I wish I had a lawnmower like that.
I highly doubt gas lasting that long. But depending on the amount. Gas usually starts to die in like a month or so. After a while it will turn in to a gel type substance. Then you have no choice to but clean or replace your fuel system including the tank. Even Diesel fuel does this and at time can actually get an algae type stuff growing in it. The offering of bio-fuel here in the States. Its even worse. It can actually make grain of sand type particles in your tank. I know, I have cleaned out my lawn mower fuel system twice. Now I have to either find gas that don't have that junk in it, or add a remover from buying additives.
This is the part where I'm now starting to have issues with the "Walking Dead" series. Its been like 5+ years since it started. Most of the gas would be dead by now. So in reality they would all be walking.
This is another issue I had with JJ Trek. By then they should been far far away from that kind of fuel.
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But the bike thing? What makes you think it even runs on petrol? There are electric bikes now that make engine noises to give you the bike experience but with a greener power source. The bike could have been charged from the ship (maybe through the deckplating). Even if it wasn't there was plenty of time for it to be refueled inbetween being found and being used as a distraction.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
But the bike thing? What makes you think it even runs on petrol? There are electric bikes now that make engine noises to give you the bike experience but with a greener power source. The bike could have been charged from the ship (maybe through the deckplating). Even if it wasn't there was plenty of time for it to be refueled inbetween being found and being used as a distraction.
That, or we accept that the bike could come from the 2150's or even beyond (I can't remember when exactly the Franklin disappeared). And seeing that by that time we got warp, impulse engines and thrusters and whatever else, I think they can make a bike that doesn't have degradable fuel.
Anyway Crash, nice to see you update your review to a 3/5!
But the bike thing? What makes you think it even runs on petrol? There are electric bikes now that make engine noises to give you the bike experience but with a greener power source. The bike could have been charged from the ship (maybe through the deckplating). Even if it wasn't there was plenty of time for it to be refueled inbetween being found and being used as a distraction.
Yes and? Do they vent anything are are they a style choice? if the do vent is it fuel vapoures or maybe water vapour from the hydrogen fuel or even just emissions from the futuristic fuel used.
Don't misconstrued my argument to be about the bike specifically having to be electric. My point is that there are ways it could still work without the fuel drying up.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
But the bike thing? What makes you think it even runs on petrol? There are electric bikes now that make engine noises to give you the bike experience but with a greener power source. The bike could have been charged from the ship (maybe through the deckplating). Even if it wasn't there was plenty of time for it to be refueled inbetween being found and being used as a distraction.
Although, to be fair, it's not quite as silly as, say, someone surviving without a brain (I don't care if he is a Vulcan!), starships turning with absolutely no inertia and banking to turn (every Trek show except TOS) and light existing inside a nebula like there's a star, when that should be completely impossible (DS9, TNG, Voyager and yes, Beyond).
My point being, Star Trek isn't immune to wantonly violating the laws of physics et all for the sake of plot. I think we can forgive Star Trek Beyond for that.
Also, I draw your attention to Babylon 5, where Lennier built a replica Earth motorcycle to run on a fusion battery, and it still had tailpipes. Just because it has tailpipes, doesn't necessarily mean they're being used for anything. It could just be a replica trait, etc.
After watching it with a clear head ( lack of sleep, slight health problem fixed now, bad mood for weeks. I should of waited ) I have to give it a 3.
I'd give it a 4 but.........to many WTF's, a motorbike that's been siting around in the Franklin with a full fuel tank that held intact petrol not going anywhere for 100 years that starts up with most likely stale fuel. I wish I had a lawnmower like that.
Plus I had to read the plot on Wikipedia as I got confused and lost a bit near the end.
But it allowed me to understand JJTrek and the alternate universe and why it's now called Kelvin Timeline ( Should be Kelvin Universe, but what ya gonna do? ).
There was going to be slight and massive changes to their Trek universe. I did forget my dimensional physics and theory's, I was lead to believe by haters, media and mismatched misinformation that it was a re-write of TOS. It wasn't, just what happened when the U.S.S. Kelvin unfortunately found Nero in a bad mood after ploughing into their universe from a uncontrolled Quantum Singularity set off by Spock to save Romulus from the raging spacial tear from the supernova. ( or was it shockwave? )
I'll re-watch the first two, they should make sense to me now as it's no different to say DS9 or Enterprise. It's just a new movie series.
I'm also dragon enough to admit that I was wrong about it not being Star Trek as well as a bloody idiot to others who tried to show me. But not the attackers. I did my share, but some just went full overload, and that also may have helped me sort things out. I never want to return to being like them.
YAY! As artan said, welcome to the IDIC family.
YAY! You recognize that the Abrams movies are not just a rewrite of the whole franchise. A ridiculous amount of people who watched the first movie kept being angry about the movie's events being "non-canon," even though the characters pretty much flat out tell the audience that this is an alternate timeline.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I'd give it a 4 but.........to many WTF's, a motorbike that's been siting around in the Franklin with a full fuel tank that held intact petrol not going anywhere for 100 years that starts up with most likely stale fuel. I wish I had a lawnmower like that.
*points at VOY: "The 37s"*
You and I caught that, but remember, at the end of the day it's a movie written by people who have probably not done any serious work on cars. Even me, I can rotate tires and change oil, filters, and spark plugs, even install a stereo if I've got a guide to go by (just finished putting a sweet little Pioneer number in my '01 Forester), but anything more serious than that and I need a mechanic. I just mentally insert a scene where Scotty whips up some technobabble additive to clear the carburetors. We already have gas additives to deal with ethanol (especially for long-term storage like in the lawnmower you mentioned) so that's not much of a stretch.
Personally I've got it in my headcanon that most modern ground vehicles in Star Trek, especially pre-replicators or on the fringeworlds, run off petroleum fuel cells (yes, those exist). It'd be easier to store for one thing: unlike hydrogen, gasoline and diesel are liquids at room temperature.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
But the bike thing? What makes you think it even runs on petrol? There are electric bikes now that make engine noises to give you the bike experience but with a greener power source. The bike could have been charged from the ship (maybe through the deckplating). Even if it wasn't there was plenty of time for it to be refueled inbetween being found and being used as a distraction.
Although, to be fair, it's not quite as silly as, say, someone surviving without a brain (I don't care if he is a Vulcan!), starships turning with absolutely no inertia and banking to turn (every Trek show except TOS) and light existing inside a nebula like there's a star, when that should be completely impossible (DS9, TNG, Voyager and yes, Beyond).
My point being, Star Trek isn't immune to wantonly violating the laws of physics et all for the sake of plot. I think we can forgive Star Trek Beyond for that.
Also, I draw your attention to Babylon 5, where Lennier built a replica Earth motorcycle to run on a fusion battery, and it still had tailpipes. Just because it has tailpipes, doesn't necessarily mean they're being used for anything. It could just be a replica trait, etc.
Who knows what it ran on. Unless the ones saw the movie can tell they saw exhaust coming out of them. I know they do things in movies like this to create action scenes and etc. I was mainly joking when I did that.
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Okay, since I refuse to see the movie. However I did read the Synopsis on IMDB. I use that site to see what kind of movie it was. Specially when I kinda don't want to see. Just in case it proves worthy of attention later. This is how I did the 2009 and Darkness.
Anyways, lets see.
KU Kirk is bored after 3 yrs into his mission. And wants a Desk Job. Really, bored looking at all kinds of new life and stuff. Guess he didn't see much out there during that time.
He applies for a Vice Admiral. This is shocking. Just like in the 2009, I see the KU has no proper ranking system. We just promote to what we feel like. Which later in the movie he got the position, but turned it down. Talk about some serious Entitlement.
They get a distress call and get destroyed due to a man wanting an bio weapon. That was fast. Then again what you expect, I'm surprised it lasted this long way they are reckless.
KU Scotty find a girl alien and the Franklin. KU McCoy and KU Spock is wondering around. We see the main villain is a Vampire. And the weapon turns people into dust. Sounds like something copied from Nemesis here. Vampire looking people and a weapon that turns others in to dust. Not much on being Original, KU is bad about that.
They stopped him from destroying a station and killed him. And finding out he was someone from Earth. Really 2 movies with a bad guy from Earth. I guess they ran out of ideas on something new for threats. At least something from Space itself. This is where TMP and IV was good. A real space threat and original.
From other places I read up on. They told the Franklin was built in space. That is why it couldn't take off easily. But the KU Enterprise was built on land. So it could. So yeah, that makes plenty of sense. But the KU Enterprise A is built in space at the end. Why not on ground again as that seems the best method? Talk about some serious complications on story here. As they try to fit in stuff to make it right. Its like they are very confused on what to do. I guess next they will try to build starships underground or in the depths of an ocean.
In all, makes me glad I didn't see it. I read enough to get a decent idea.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
How about a fair warring, you have been warned that if you read this, I won't buy you a new keyboard.
OK, after after one of Davey's rather interesting posts ( and has yet to grasp that arguing with me is like curing cancer with Tic Tac's, I still have high respect for him, almost as much as I would show towards another dragon, he should be proud, only a small paw full of Humans have that respect and none to earn it in such little time. ), I decided to...........watch Beyond.
Also to the trolls who go hunting for game for no reason but to upset and anger..........ah, forget it.
Right then........just a few major bummers.
Finally found a copy ( a major bummer ). You'd think Disney owned the rights to it they way it was wiped from site to site. Only 4 pages in Google? Far out.
Saucer scene, Generations..........yo, rip off to the max, dude. Not cool.
The ship can go to warp and escape a Quantum Singularity with no warp core ( I don't buy the " there was enough anti-matter in the core, the core it's self was ejected ), so it should be able to go to warp with no nacelle's.
JJ Kirk you twit, when you see and know of advancing hostile ships, SHIELDS ARE A FIRST PRIORITY not a suggestion. Even if they did fail.
JJTrek Scotty could of fixed the communicator with two sticks, a rock and the elastic from his Starfleet issued underwear like real Scotty. But he didn't.
I swear JJTrek Checkov and Scotty kept dropping accents. Wonder if the sound guy kept falling asleep during filming. Then again, it was recorded with a hidden camera in the cinema with Russian subtitles when the aliens spoke, so who knows? And why a English spoken film with Russian subtitles from only the aliens when they spoke their language?
I thought that the ship being destroyed in the manner it was, proved that it was made of balsa wood and sticky tape. Even the real Enterprise survived mostly intact when she blew her saucer section and entered the atmosphere. Also, did they remodel the ship, it looks different by the impulse engines and thinner neck?
Actor's didn't give their all. Unless it was the script. They seemed like.........they where bored or fed up? ( I dunno )
And a upside.
I did like the music score and JJ Bones description of that awful space station.
Also like JJ Bones. Sound effect where nice too.
The defibrillators are just over there for the JJ Fans to use only. Thank you.---->
In all, made it to 40:17 minutes before I just face/pawed, groaned and shut of the media player......and erased the movie.
Hate me, like me, I still correct my rating and make it a 1, as I said, I liked the music.
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He wasn't bored, as he approached the birthday that would make him older than his father lived to be he was having doubts about whether he had joined Starfleet for the right reasons. As for "vice admiral" its being used as a title for the second in command of Yorktown.
Oh and the character played by Greg Grunberg is Finnegan.
I caught that too!
Damn ingeniously-sneaky of Pegg to include that.
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Okay, since I refuse to see the movie. However I did read the Synopsis on IMDB. I use that site to see what kind of movie it was. Specially when I kinda don't want to see. Just in case it proves worthy of attention later. This is how I did the 2009 and Darkness.
KU Kirk is bored after 3 yrs into his mission. And wants a Desk Job. Really, bored looking at all kinds of new life and stuff. Guess he didn't see much out there during that time.
Your impression of the situation is somewhat flawed. While he does mention that things feel "episodic", the heart of his discontent is he's not sure he deserves to be out there. It's much clearer in the film.
He applies for a Vice Admiral. This is shocking. Just like in the 2009, I see the KU has no proper ranking system. We just promote to what we feel like. Which later in the movie he got the position, but turned it down. Talk about some serious Entitlement.
Applying for that position was a misguided decision, so it's not really weird that he'd turn it down later after finding himself during the events of the movie. It's not unlike what Prime Kirk went through, winding up with a desk job but feeling like it just wasn't his place. Only KT Kirk never got that far and dodged the deck job bullet. Basically this is the most Kirk the character has been in the entire franchise, for all that amounts to.
They get a distress call and get destroyed due to a man wanting an bio weapon. That was fast. Then again what you expect, I'm surprised it lasted this long way they are reckless.
Hardly reckless. They did everything exactly as you would have seen it done in the shows - Enterprise is the only ship in range, they immediately head to investigate, they encounter an alien threat and respond appropriately, up to and including actually going to red alert and raising shields.
KU Scotty find a girl alien and the Franklin. KU McCoy and KU Spock is wondering around. We see the main villain is a Vampire. And the weapon turns people into dust. Sounds like something copied from Nemesis here. Vampire looking people and a weapon that turns others in to dust. Not much on being Original, KU is bad about that.
Yet another case of reaching to complain about something. This complaint isn't any more valid than crash's initial Generations comparison.
They stopped him from destroying a station and killed him. And finding out he was someone from Earth. Really 2 movies with a bad guy from Earth. I guess they ran out of ideas on something new for threats. At least something from Space itself. This is where TMP and IV was good. A real space threat and original.
This seems like a relatively minor thing to whine about. Personally I would have preferred the villain be something extraterrestrial, too, but it's not something I would count against the movie. It made the reveal unexpected since there's no real hint to his origin for quite some time in the movie.
From other places I read up on. They told the Franklin was built in space. That is why it couldn't take off easily. But the KU Enterprise was built on land. So it could. So yeah, that makes plenty of sense. But the KU Enterprise A is built in space at the end. Why not on ground again as that seems the best method? Talk about some serious complications on story here. As they try to fit in stuff to make it right. Its like they are very confused on what to do. I guess next they will try to build starships underground or in the depths of an ocean.
May be a tech thing. ENT-era tech may not have been able to handle accelerating a full size ship to escape velocity, whereas TOS era tech obviously can accomplish that with no problem. So it's not that building on the ground is somehow inherently better, it's just more convenient somehow now that the tech to achieve orbit from ground level exists.
I think the Enterprise being built on the ground was incredibly stupid, too, but that's '09 for you.
In all, makes me glad I didn't see it. I read enough to get a decent idea.
If the above are the thoughts you left with that you felt warranted posting, then no, you didn't.
It's amusing to me that the two people here most resistant to Beyond wrote "reviews" that fail in pretty much all the same ways. Crash at least corrected it with a clear-headed viewing and, much to my surprise, not only rated it a 3, but admitted he considered a 4 if it hadn't been for a certain elements bugging him. I would have expected him to give it a 2, honestly.
@jexsams Since I'm mobile quoting is a pain, but the notion that the weapon and villians are somehow reminiscent of Nemesis is not far off. It's however not that the KT can't be original but Trek movies in general feature terrible plots since Insurrection. I personally hate what FC did rewriting and retconning events into ludicrousness but at least they tried being original with show content. Every single movie afterwards just featured expendable often wrinkly faced villians with insufficiently explained revenge complices and a deus ex machina doing evil. While some elements might be nice, the base plot of Trek movies is almost universally boring.
TMP stands out positively since it really tackles the shows spiritual roots, the twok era ones feature excellent character plays but afterwards it gets really wonky imo.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'd give it a 4 but.........to many WTF's, a motorbike that's been siting around in the Franklin with a full fuel tank that held intact petrol not going anywhere for 100 years that starts up with most likely stale fuel. I wish I had a lawnmower like that.
*points at VOY: "The 37s"*
You and I caught that, but remember, at the end of the day it's a movie written by people who have probably not done any serious work on cars. Even me, I can rotate tires and change oil, filters, and spark plugs, even install a stereo if I've got a guide to go by (just finished putting a sweet little Pioneer number in my '01 Forester), but anything more serious than that and I need a mechanic. I just mentally insert a scene where Scotty whips up some technobabble additive to clear the carburetors. We already have gas additives to deal with ethanol (especially for long-term storage like in the lawnmower you mentioned) so that's not much of a stretch.
Personally I've got it in my headcanon that most modern ground vehicles in Star Trek, especially pre-replicators or on the fringeworlds, run off petroleum fuel cells (yes, those exist). It'd be easier to store for one thing: unlike hydrogen, gasoline and diesel are liquids at room temperature.
It's a future where we have pills that regrow kidneys and where we have a weapon that can safely stun, kill or vaporize people, and also heat up stones in a manner that they give off light and heat without horrible things happening.
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@jexsams Since I'm mobile quoting is a pain, but the notion that the weapon and villians are somehow reminiscent of Nemesis is not far off. It's however not that the KT can't be original but Trek movies in general feature terrible plots since Insurrection. I personally hate what FC did rewriting and retconning events into ludicrousness but at least they tried being original with show content. Every single movie afterwards just featured expendable often wrinkly faced villians with insufficiently explained revenge complices and a deus ex machina doing evil. While some elements might be nice, the base plot of Trek movies is almost universally boring.
TMP stands out positively since it really tackles the shows spiritual roots, the twok era ones feature excellent character plays but afterwards it gets really wonky imo.
This is what I was getting at. That plot was very similar to Nemesis. All I'm seeing is a rewrite of the other movies. Darkness = Star Trek II. Even down to the Khannn, engine issues that cause a main character to die, etc. Its like they can't be original at all. Soon as I read that one, I'm like why bother seeing Darkness when its a Star Trek II rewrite. I basically know how it goes fully.
I agree the new series of movies, they severely lack in good story. So they make up on it in action. That is how most of your action movies are. Poor story and lots of thrills.
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I hope this wasn't something you counted against the movie itself since it has nothing to do with anything.
I will say, though I wish you hadn't, I can't really blame you for piracy. You had exceedingly low expectations of the film, and in your shoes, I would have done the same thing. That's how I avoided spending money on Duke Nukem Forever - bullet effing dodged. That said, I hope you use this method very sparingly...
And immediately you start digging for any reason to dislike the movie. Did you get mad at Best of Both Worlds for separating the saucer? I mean, they already did that in Arsenal of Freedom, so obviously they're just recycling scenes.
God forbid the movies show saucer separation being used for its in-universe intended purpose.
You're being stupid on purpose here.
Okay, you don't buy the antimatter chamber thing. That's fine. '09 was terrible anyway. So why knock it for fixing the problem you had with the first one? You're pointing it out here like it's somehow wrong or bad, but they actually did something right.
Literally the first thing Kirk said when hostile intent was made clear was "Red alert, shields up!"
You're seriously just making things up to complain about, aren't you?
Anton Yelchin was raised by native Russians, so while his Chekov inflection may have dropped in and out (I didn't notice), his accent certainly didn't. I didn't notice anything odd about Pegg either but if we're being honest, Pegg's Scotty, while fun, is perhaps the least faithful to the original characters in these movies. Dropping out of accent would be the least noticeable thing "off" about his interpretation. Consider this could also be an issue of the quality of your pirated recording.
Considering how many ships rammed it, I'm shocked it held up as long as it did. It took a couple of charges at the neck to finally sever it. The nacelles hung on for a bit, too, though they went easier.
I believe the ship underwent a refit after Into Darkness, but I try very hard to forget ID so I can't be sure. It definitely has different impulse engines from '09 to Beyond, though.
I never got that impression. Could just be your pirated recording again. I wouldn't say Pine or Saldana were acting their hearts out, but they didn't feel like they were phoning it in either. Urban and Elba were giving it the effort they give everything, which is a lot (seriously these two guys are incredible actors). And Pegg was having a blast, like a kid in a Star Trek candy store, which isn't surprising given his hand in this. As I said earlier, he's a poor Scotty, but he's a blast to watch.
Not even an acknowledgement of the Kirk/Bones moment on the Enterprise? Or Spock and McCoy's interactions post-landing? You're electing to ignore some textbook Trek. Surely even your jaded eyes could see a glimmer of things past beneath the Apple Store veneer? Or are you so intent to hate blindly that you would make no effort to see what good it has to offer? I'm not saying you have to like the movie, but are you really that incapable of a little objectivity? There is good in this movie, and it's not just Urban's McCoy.
You never intended to give this movie a chance. You went through the trouble of acquiring a recorded copy and watched less than half of it, but you didn't really watch the movie, you just looked for things you could use to say bad things about it. You complain they get something wrong, you complain they get something right - you just wanted to complain.
Still, at the absolute least, I can no longer say you've never attempted to see it. Even if it was little more than an act to justify more whining.
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I'm a bit surprised you're defending his inept "review", especially after yours was so thoughtful. I disagree with yours on a lot of points, but you at least gave it real consideration. Crash is just being a child, making up things to hate for hate's sake.
Don't defend him. You're better than that.
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I just want it known for the record that, of the numerous ways he could have chosen to respond to my breakdown of his review, his decision was to handwave it away by calling me a troll.
I further want it known for the record that despite knowing exactly what kind of person I was dealing with, I chose to attempt a sharp, thoughtful discussion anyway, and have no excuse for being surprised that this is the kind of response I received.
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As I said I find it important to have a opinion like crash's in here as long as we have the far end opposite kind of "reviews" as well. One can very well like or dislike it without the need to explain it further. One can even rightfully say to like or dislike it in the context of the Trek movie history as frankly most of them aren't really that good. But the endless praise for a movie which basically has some of tge worst tropes of modern cinema I can't understand. Maybe it's because the expectations were really low, I don't know.
I'm not sharing crash's opinion, but value the contribution to keep a balanced feel.
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I highly doubt gas lasting that long. But depending on the amount. Gas usually starts to die in like a month or so. After a while it will turn in to a gel type substance. Then you have no choice to but clean or replace your fuel system including the tank. Even Diesel fuel does this and at time can actually get an algae type stuff growing in it. The offering of bio-fuel here in the States. Its even worse. It can actually make grain of sand type particles in your tank. I know, I have cleaned out my lawn mower fuel system twice. Now I have to either find gas that don't have that junk in it, or add a remover from buying additives.
This is the part where I'm now starting to have issues with the "Walking Dead" series. Its been like 5+ years since it started. Most of the gas would be dead by now. So in reality they would all be walking.
This is another issue I had with JJ Trek. By then they should been far far away from that kind of fuel.
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But the bike thing? What makes you think it even runs on petrol? There are electric bikes now that make engine noises to give you the bike experience but with a greener power source. The bike could have been charged from the ship (maybe through the deckplating). Even if it wasn't there was plenty of time for it to be refueled inbetween being found and being used as a distraction.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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That, or we accept that the bike could come from the 2150's or even beyond (I can't remember when exactly the Franklin disappeared). And seeing that by that time we got warp, impulse engines and thrusters and whatever else, I think they can make a bike that doesn't have degradable fuel.
Anyway Crash, nice to see you update your review to a 3/5!
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Oh look twin exhaust pipes! They could at least make the bike more futuristic.
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Don't misconstrued my argument to be about the bike specifically having to be electric. My point is that there are ways it could still work without the fuel drying up.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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I was just about to mention this.
Although, to be fair, it's not quite as silly as, say, someone surviving without a brain (I don't care if he is a Vulcan!), starships turning with absolutely no inertia and banking to turn (every Trek show except TOS) and light existing inside a nebula like there's a star, when that should be completely impossible (DS9, TNG, Voyager and yes, Beyond).
My point being, Star Trek isn't immune to wantonly violating the laws of physics et all for the sake of plot. I think we can forgive Star Trek Beyond for that.
Also, I draw your attention to Babylon 5, where Lennier built a replica Earth motorcycle to run on a fusion battery, and it still had tailpipes. Just because it has tailpipes, doesn't necessarily mean they're being used for anything. It could just be a replica trait, etc.
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YAY! As artan said, welcome to the IDIC family.
YAY! You recognize that the Abrams movies are not just a rewrite of the whole franchise. A ridiculous amount of people who watched the first movie kept being angry about the movie's events being "non-canon," even though the characters pretty much flat out tell the audience that this is an alternate timeline.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
You and I caught that, but remember, at the end of the day it's a movie written by people who have probably not done any serious work on cars. Even me, I can rotate tires and change oil, filters, and spark plugs, even install a stereo if I've got a guide to go by (just finished putting a sweet little Pioneer number in my '01 Forester), but anything more serious than that and I need a mechanic. I just mentally insert a scene where Scotty whips up some technobabble additive to clear the carburetors. We already have gas additives to deal with ethanol (especially for long-term storage like in the lawnmower you mentioned) so that's not much of a stretch.
Personally I've got it in my headcanon that most modern ground vehicles in Star Trek, especially pre-replicators or on the fringeworlds, run off petroleum fuel cells (yes, those exist). It'd be easier to store for one thing: unlike hydrogen, gasoline and diesel are liquids at room temperature.
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Who knows what it ran on. Unless the ones saw the movie can tell they saw exhaust coming out of them. I know they do things in movies like this to create action scenes and etc. I was mainly joking when I did that.
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Anyways, lets see.
KU Kirk is bored after 3 yrs into his mission. And wants a Desk Job. Really, bored looking at all kinds of new life and stuff. Guess he didn't see much out there during that time.
He applies for a Vice Admiral. This is shocking. Just like in the 2009, I see the KU has no proper ranking system. We just promote to what we feel like. Which later in the movie he got the position, but turned it down. Talk about some serious Entitlement.
They get a distress call and get destroyed due to a man wanting an bio weapon. That was fast. Then again what you expect, I'm surprised it lasted this long way they are reckless.
KU Scotty find a girl alien and the Franklin. KU McCoy and KU Spock is wondering around. We see the main villain is a Vampire. And the weapon turns people into dust. Sounds like something copied from Nemesis here. Vampire looking people and a weapon that turns others in to dust. Not much on being Original, KU is bad about that.
They stopped him from destroying a station and killed him. And finding out he was someone from Earth. Really 2 movies with a bad guy from Earth. I guess they ran out of ideas on something new for threats. At least something from Space itself. This is where TMP and IV was good. A real space threat and original.
From other places I read up on. They told the Franklin was built in space. That is why it couldn't take off easily. But the KU Enterprise was built on land. So it could. So yeah, that makes plenty of sense. But the KU Enterprise A is built in space at the end. Why not on ground again as that seems the best method? Talk about some serious complications on story here. As they try to fit in stuff to make it right. Its like they are very confused on what to do. I guess next they will try to build starships underground or in the depths of an ocean.
In all, makes me glad I didn't see it. I read enough to get a decent idea.
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You got a very fragmented version of the story, colored entirely by your own preconceptions. Not exactly a "decent idea."
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
I read the entire thing, and did a summary of my thoughts. No different than the rest. At least I looked into it.
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Come on. If even crashdragon gave the movie a chance...
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I dare you to do better.
All of a sudden, I feel like Rudolph...
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I caught that too!
Damn ingeniously-sneaky of Pegg to include that.
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That's a fair approach.
Your impression of the situation is somewhat flawed. While he does mention that things feel "episodic", the heart of his discontent is he's not sure he deserves to be out there. It's much clearer in the film.
Applying for that position was a misguided decision, so it's not really weird that he'd turn it down later after finding himself during the events of the movie. It's not unlike what Prime Kirk went through, winding up with a desk job but feeling like it just wasn't his place. Only KT Kirk never got that far and dodged the deck job bullet. Basically this is the most Kirk the character has been in the entire franchise, for all that amounts to.
Hardly reckless. They did everything exactly as you would have seen it done in the shows - Enterprise is the only ship in range, they immediately head to investigate, they encounter an alien threat and respond appropriately, up to and including actually going to red alert and raising shields.
Yet another case of reaching to complain about something. This complaint isn't any more valid than crash's initial Generations comparison.
This seems like a relatively minor thing to whine about. Personally I would have preferred the villain be something extraterrestrial, too, but it's not something I would count against the movie. It made the reveal unexpected since there's no real hint to his origin for quite some time in the movie.
May be a tech thing. ENT-era tech may not have been able to handle accelerating a full size ship to escape velocity, whereas TOS era tech obviously can accomplish that with no problem. So it's not that building on the ground is somehow inherently better, it's just more convenient somehow now that the tech to achieve orbit from ground level exists.
I think the Enterprise being built on the ground was incredibly stupid, too, but that's '09 for you.
If the above are the thoughts you left with that you felt warranted posting, then no, you didn't.
It's amusing to me that the two people here most resistant to Beyond wrote "reviews" that fail in pretty much all the same ways. Crash at least corrected it with a clear-headed viewing and, much to my surprise, not only rated it a 3, but admitted he considered a 4 if it hadn't been for a certain elements bugging him. I would have expected him to give it a 2, honestly.
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TMP stands out positively since it really tackles the shows spiritual roots, the twok era ones feature excellent character plays but afterwards it gets really wonky imo.
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This is what I was getting at. That plot was very similar to Nemesis. All I'm seeing is a rewrite of the other movies. Darkness = Star Trek II. Even down to the Khannn, engine issues that cause a main character to die, etc. Its like they can't be original at all. Soon as I read that one, I'm like why bother seeing Darkness when its a Star Trek II rewrite. I basically know how it goes fully.
I agree the new series of movies, they severely lack in good story. So they make up on it in action. That is how most of your action movies are. Poor story and lots of thrills.
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