Funny - many of the same issues were made of the Enterprise-D - the fans hated it at first. Now, they love it.
What's more surprising - this isnt' the final version of the ship. While people are making video's and posting blogs about how bad it looks, the exec in charge has already publicly said - this isn't the finished ship. This is a rough.
Funny - many of the same issues were made of the Enterprise-D - the fans hated it at first. Now, they love it.
What's more surprising - this isnt' the final version of the ship. While people are making video's and posting blogs about how bad it looks, the exec in charge has already publicly said - this isn't the finished ship. This is a rough.
Another win for rushed marketing.
that's definitely the crux of the thing right there.. it was rushed out, clearly some idiot decided to do this at the last moment... I think an Excelsior model would've generated more "oooooohs" than this thing. :B
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Funny - many of the same issues were made of the Enterprise-D - the fans hated it at first. Now, they love it.
What's more surprising - this isnt' the final version of the ship. While people are making video's and posting blogs about how bad it looks, the exec in charge has already publicly said - this isn't the finished ship. This is a rough.
Another win for rushed marketing.
But, first impressions matter, a lot. You can see the kind of first impressions this is giving off. That is not good if you want people to rally behind a show.
Funny - many of the same issues were made of the Enterprise-D - the fans hated it at first. Now, they love it.
What's more surprising - this isnt' the final version of the ship. While people are making video's and posting blogs about how bad it looks, the exec in charge has already publicly said - this isn't the finished ship. This is a rough.
Another win for rushed marketing.
But, first impressions matter, a lot. You can see the kind of first impressions this is giving off. That is not good if you want people to rally behind a show.
I don't know about that.
I mean, I think the ship looks kinda silly, but it's certainly not going to stop me from watching the show. Most people I know realized it was an early work and not the final version.
Overall, I don't care for the design, but I'm still going to give the show a chance.
It looked all right until it poked it's back end out of it's space cave but someone wishes they had a Klingon ship. The mash up looks nasty but either half would look OK if they cut it half and finished both ships.
Funny - many of the same issues were made of the Enterprise-D - the fans hated it at first. Now, they love it.
What's more surprising - this isnt' the final version of the ship. While people are making video's and posting blogs about how bad it looks, the exec in charge has already publicly said - this isn't the finished ship. This is a rough.
Another win for rushed marketing.
But, first impressions matter, a lot. You can see the kind of first impressions this is giving off. That is not good if you want people to rally behind a show.
indeed, i mean scuttlebutt is that even this ship isn't concrete, even so it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of...well... anyone with eyes.
(except possibly sam neill)
i would LOVE to see more concrete details about its era, etc.. If you look at this Ships registry number, you're prolly right about the era, but wouldn't the ships of that time be more of a bridge between "Enterprise" and "TOS" if that were the case? and before anyone comes up with the "perhaps prototype" argument, the lack of NX suffix kinda torpedoes that theory... which i'd buy otherwise.
You'd think though CBS would've had something better quality planned for the 50th Anniversary, no?
Well puts more light on why they had to hide this behind a pay wall lol
Well, Fuller said he wants this series more graphic, which is a code word for blood and sex. TBH this make sence because there were 2 series (Breaking bad and Game of thrones) that destroyed every charts even tho they were on payed channel and were shows for adults.
TV has changed since 2005 and he knows this.
What ever... they are giving it to everyone but North America through Netflix... At least with Netflix you can get something other then CBS TRIBBLE... Even though I would like another Star Trek shows I hope this one crashs and burns over this...
Big Bang Theory, Walking Dead, NCIS have near the same viewership as Game of Thrones... so I call BS on that reason...
The only reason go behind a paywall like CBS all access us they want to try to squeeze more money...
I have a feeling its going to flop as I think most people in the US are not going to want to add another pay service just for one show.. people already paying for hulu and Netflix and amazon prime.. and those cost almost the same and offer a ton more for the money. On top of cable TV...
doesn't matter to me. the new show is doomed because not every fan is going to subscribe to cbs all access to watch the thing
They don't need every fan. Just enough.
I agree it's a gamble, but every show is.
And it's apparently going to be on Netflix outside the USA and Canada, which is a bit more common for people to already make use of (us overseas market folk might not matter as much, but we're not irrelevant in the final count).
As to the ship... I don't think it looks bad as such, but it does look more like a Starfleet-KDF hybrid than a proper Starfleet design to me. Perhaps it'll grow on me, perhaps not.
Upon seeing that monstrosity, I can only say, in the words of my main character:
"Trasnphasic torpedoes. Both tubes. Fire for effect"
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I also really, really hope that's very early CGI that was just put together at the last minute because it's just awful. When fan films like Axanar and others are beating the pants off an official production it's no wonder CBS is scared and suing.
This is my biggest concern. I can'T believe that this is supposed to be real promotional footage at this point, it looks like a sequence of some Trek game from 2002
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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I do not understand the shows so far obsession with bronze-earth coloured things (the ship and the chevron) and why the promotional CGI looks like a cutscene from a Trek game from 2002
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Sweet mother of God, burn it with fire! What the hell is that thing!?! Anyone get a good look at the registry number? Is it in the 1000's or 10000's I couldn't tell? Because that will pinpoint where the show takes place in the timeline.
My thoughts are that it's part of the reason CBS shut down Axanar (other than the malicious fraud and IP theft) in this it has a similar concept. I think this is the Prime version of the Kelvin era.
The ship is bare metal similar to the NX and Kelvin.
It's been thrown around that the Kelvin itself is not a PU ship due to temporal ripples
That's a low ENT-TOS era registry.
The features, such as the thrusters and nacelles look very basic, a step between the industrial look of EXT/Kelvin and the simplistic look of TOS.
No phaser strips
Saucer detailing and shape similar to the Franklin in its angles.
Could it be the canon version of the Aeres from Axanar?
Now the speculation.
It's in a hidden asteroid base and not a dry dock suggesting a secret construction.
It has a vaguely Klingon design, could it have been developed as a counter-Klingon war ship?
It's a bronzy colour which is definitely new, is it a reflection of its era or a experimental hull?
The only issue with my speculation is the ship's name. Discovery. It's not exactly Defiant or Vengeance is it?
As for the design itself, I'm not it's biggest fan due to the style of the nacelles. I'm sure it will be mentioned how much it deviates from the Starfleet norm (a norm that consists of the Constitution, Ambassador, and Galaxy only, almost every other ship deviates in some large way) but I will not judge it solely on a few second clip with unfinished modeling work.
Edit: It also appears to have raised windows.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Did anyone notice how dark and spooky the music was, I was expecting optimistic, instead it was music that screamed this is a horror movie. I liked it.
Oh, just shut up about ship designs already. These Forums always burn when any ship is not the traditional saucer design with round thises or thats.
It is what it is, and if it is this and not a deliberate deception then all the belly-aching in the world on these Forums are not going to change it.
If you are morally opposed to its design or get physically sick looking at it, you have two choices - don't watch it when it premiers or adapt.
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Also, the ship design this one was based on does appear onscreen...
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Actually I take back what I said since I saw the video I somehow missed, It's nowhere near as bad looking as the picture that was shown for the old concept. Very very different looking than that actually. Still, I'll never like saucers no matter what, but it could've been far worse. I would have preferred a design that's like the Prometheus we saw in Voyager, I like arrowheads, not saucers.
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What's more surprising - this isnt' the final version of the ship. While people are making video's and posting blogs about how bad it looks, the exec in charge has already publicly said - this isn't the finished ship. This is a rough.
Another win for rushed marketing.
that's definitely the crux of the thing right there.. it was rushed out, clearly some idiot decided to do this at the last moment... I think an Excelsior model would've generated more "oooooohs" than this thing. :B
This ship is so bad, it gets all the facepalms.
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But, first impressions matter, a lot. You can see the kind of first impressions this is giving off. That is not good if you want people to rally behind a show.
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I don't know about that.
I mean, I think the ship looks kinda silly, but it's certainly not going to stop me from watching the show. Most people I know realized it was an early work and not the final version.
Overall, I don't care for the design, but I'm still going to give the show a chance.
indeed, i mean scuttlebutt is that even this ship isn't concrete, even so it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of...well... anyone with eyes.
(except possibly sam neill)
i would LOVE to see more concrete details about its era, etc.. If you look at this Ships registry number, you're prolly right about the era, but wouldn't the ships of that time be more of a bridge between "Enterprise" and "TOS" if that were the case? and before anyone comes up with the "perhaps prototype" argument, the lack of NX suffix kinda torpedoes that theory... which i'd buy otherwise.
You'd think though CBS would've had something better quality planned for the 50th Anniversary, no?
What ever... they are giving it to everyone but North America through Netflix... At least with Netflix you can get something other then CBS TRIBBLE... Even though I would like another Star Trek shows I hope this one crashs and burns over this...
Big Bang Theory, Walking Dead, NCIS have near the same viewership as Game of Thrones... so I call BS on that reason...
The only reason go behind a paywall like CBS all access us they want to try to squeeze more money...
I have a feeling its going to flop as I think most people in the US are not going to want to add another pay service just for one show.. people already paying for hulu and Netflix and amazon prime.. and those cost almost the same and offer a ton more for the money. On top of cable TV...
As to the ship... I don't think it looks bad as such, but it does look more like a Starfleet-KDF hybrid than a proper Starfleet design to me. Perhaps it'll grow on me, perhaps not.
"Trasnphasic torpedoes. Both tubes. Fire for effect"
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
This is my biggest concern. I can'T believe that this is supposed to be real promotional footage at this point, it looks like a sequence of some Trek game from 2002
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I know alot of people hate it, but I do like the saucer section, and I can get used to the D7 back half.
Can't they ever play it safe? I mean, people even complained about the JJ-Constitution, yet at least it holds true to it's basic shape.
Why the straight edges, I don't get it. Go all Sealth Bomber or not at all.
Could it be the canon version of the Aeres from Axanar?
Now the speculation.
The only issue with my speculation is the ship's name. Discovery. It's not exactly Defiant or Vengeance is it?
As for the design itself, I'm not it's biggest fan due to the style of the nacelles. I'm sure it will be mentioned how much it deviates from the Starfleet norm (a norm that consists of the Constitution, Ambassador, and Galaxy only, almost every other ship deviates in some large way) but I will not judge it solely on a few second clip with unfinished modeling work.
Edit: It also appears to have raised windows.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It looks like a D7 parked its bridge section all up in a Mirandas aft shuttlebay.
It is what it is, and if it is this and not a deliberate deception then all the belly-aching in the world on these Forums are not going to change it.
If you are morally opposed to its design or get physically sick looking at it, you have two choices - don't watch it when it premiers or adapt.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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