I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.
Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.
I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.
Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.
Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.
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I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.
Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.
Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.
You're tired of seeing these posts? Don't click on the thread.
The topic is a loaded weapon, everyone knows it's going to go off, it's not about if but when, it's not like other topics that are generally preference or ethics neutral. I completely and totally agree with Samt1996, not because I want to see stuff like this swept under the rug or hidden from all sight, I just think it's pretty ridiculous. Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint. The problem with this is, that it's basically expressing the support of the belief of an elitist mindset. Personally, I think the best thing you can do is invite to your parties without the need for ethical judgement every time someone disagrees with you. Division is what separates us, finding a way to create bridges through positive avenues that don't require slogans or leverage help far more than preaching to the choir, and cementing the hardliners beliefs in exclusionary activities.
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I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.
Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.
Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.
You're tired of seeing these posts? Don't click on the thread.
The topic is a loaded weapon, everyone knows it's going to go off, it's not about if but when, it's not like other topics that are generally preference or ethics neutral. I completely and totally agree with Samt1996, not because I want to see stuff like this swept under the rug or hidden from all sight, I just think it's pretty ridiculous. Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint. The problem with this is, that it's basically expressing the support of the belief of an elitist mindset. Personally, I think the best thing you can do is invite to your parties without the need for ethical judgement every time someone disagrees with you. Division is what separates us, finding a way to create bridges through positive avenues that don't require slogans or leverage help far more than preaching to the choir, and cementing the hardliners beliefs in exclusionary activities.
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Straight people don't have rallies, parties and events celebrating the fact they are straight. Because they are the MAJORITY. Nobody thinks your a terrible human being just because you're straight. Nobody fires you from your job because your boss found out you're straight. Nobody denies you service because you "look" straight. And nobody tried to beat you up when you were a kid because they thought you were straight.
These events have nothing to with being "elitist". It has everything to do with demanding the same rights and respect everybody else does. And as can be seen in this particular fleet celebration as well as in most LGBT events on the planet, everybody is invited.
I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.
Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.
Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.
You're tired of seeing these posts? Don't click on the thread.
The topic is a loaded weapon, everyone knows it's going to go off, it's not about if but when, it's not like other topics that are generally preference or ethics neutral. I completely and totally agree with Samt1996, not because I want to see stuff like this swept under the rug or hidden from all sight, I just think it's pretty ridiculous. Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint. The problem with this is, that it's basically expressing the support of the belief of an elitist mindset. Personally, I think the best thing you can do is invite to your parties without the need for ethical judgement every time someone disagrees with you. Division is what separates us, finding a way to create bridges through positive avenues that don't require slogans or leverage help far more than preaching to the choir, and cementing the hardliners beliefs in exclusionary activities.
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Straight people don't have rallies, parties and events celebrating the fact they are straight. Because they are the MAJORITY. Nobody thinks your a terrible human being just because you're straight. Nobody fires you from your job because your boss found out you're straight. Nobody denies you service because you "look" straight. And nobody tried to beat you up when you were a kid because they thought you were straight.
These events have nothing to with being "elitist". It has everything to do with demanding the same rights and respect everybody else does. And as can be seen in this particular fleet celebration as well as in most LGBT events on the planet, everybody is invited.
Firstly, minority doesn't mean you get to have a Napoleonic complex about being the minority. It just means it looks like you are compensating for some sort of issue. The louder, and more flagrant you are, the more I tend to think you have special types of issues, especially those whom need to advertise parties concerning their sexual preferences, I find especially odd. There are plenty of other minorities, should there be parties for tall people? or parties for people with big feet? How about parties for people who's right arms are shorter than their left arms? For all the effort you put into saying how natural your life style is, you certainly go way out of your way to have an unnatural party for a natural thing. It's not like you need to train for anything, or do anything special, just having the title of blah, and you are celebrated, even if you are a terrible person in reality. Being celebrated for doing nothing is what I call elitist and rhetorical. In essence, you are saying, congratulations for surviving the cruelties of the straights as if all straights are in the same category of the persons whom have hurt you or others in the past, and you are ignoring the potential vice versa situations where reverse discrimination is very well a possibility in some environments.
As far as getting fired, denial of service, or getting beat up. You can say this for many classes of faiths, culture and ethnicity. You are just making it surround your personal issues. You are playing the victim, as if everyone does this, and back to your majority/minority comment. The majority accepts you for who you are, even if they don't agree, and things are changing, however I guarantee, it is in zero parts to parties like this. This is simply a selfish need to feed ones own ego, as if their own personal preference is more advanced than the majorities. There is no goal here other than the self serving goal of ones of preferential choice. As far what you said about people thinking I am a terrible human being, I don't care what other people think, because I know who I am, I don't need a party to strengthen the resolve of the choices I have made in my life. I have experienced things in my life that are bad too, but I don't require a party to make me realize how far I have come in my life. What is more important to me than anything is humanity getting its priorities straight. I happen to believe in a Startrek style future, I also think the Startrek future only happens when we learn to integrate, not separate. What you do in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom. That's what a civilized society with their own individual and unique opinions of what their sexuality should behave like.
Common sense says because individuals all have differing likes and dislikes of races, creeds, faiths, politics and more, it is best not brought up in public venues, as it only serves to enhance our differences, and polarize us from a sociological standpoint. What about others whom get denied service? or bullied as children, or unjustly fired? I guarantee those things just don't happen to LGBT members, and by bringing this up as an argument, you marginalize the others who aren't LGBT who have been through worse than you and others. If you want to do something good, don't make it about the bedroom, make it about actual problems and actual solutions in the real world. Do something respectable, raise money for charity, help feed someone in need, heck, even devote a specific event into specifically talking about what happened in Orlando, and how it effected you. Otherwise the act of advertising the party is just a completely self serving event, that essentially means nothing at all, because many people have experienced what you potentially experienced,and probably worse, and ignoring that fact reveals truth about the real nature of the party, which is essentially promoting LGBT over Straight, because LGBT people's life experiences are inherently more important according to the concept of the party. If you didn't think that, you wouldn't need to have a LGBT party, you would just have a party.
"Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint."
Umm apparently you have lived a good life where everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya, but in parts of the world not everyone is so lucky. Prejudice is alive and well, and I'd like to see a lgbt person go to staunch fundie party in dixie without being kicked out or harassed. No, sorry there are people that wish death on all lgbt people, and their parties do not include everyone. But congrats on the great life you live around such great people, must be nice.
I've literally been publicly humiliated and my friend assaulted for being g*a*y* at the "wrong" bar, the wrong party so to speak. Yep, welcome to the US. ( and by wrong, i mean just a regular bar in the middle of a regular town )
@originalspock I don't even know where to start. First of all it wasn't the LGBT group who tried to differentiate themselves from the majority all of a sudden, it was the discriminating majority who forced them to organize and fight for their rights. The LGBT didn't create the sexual preference issue, it was the straight majority who "didn't agree" with their "lifestyle" and therefore made this about sexual preference. Just like it was the white majority in the US who made being black an issue, therefore causing this minortiy to organize. And yes the majority - even if most of them accept you as their equal - has to be constantly reminded of the fact that not everybody does. African Americans have the exact same rights as white Americans yet they still have to deal with racism every single day of their life.
Yes parties like these are also being organized to meet people who are like you AND to give self-confidence. And considering the fact that the suicide rate among LGBT people is more than four times as high as among straight people shows that this is indeed necessary. Implying that being a member of the LGBT community is a "choice they made in life" gives me a very good understanding what you actually think about this subject. And no neatly packed half-logic argument can cloud the fact, that homophobia is still an issue.
Common sense says because individuals all have differing likes and dislikes of races, creeds, faiths, politics and more, it is best not brought up in public venues, as it only serves to enhance our differences, and polarize us from a sociological standpoint.
You got to be kidding me. "Don't talk about discrimination. It will go away by itself." That approach worked very well in the past, didn't it?
@originalspock is so perfectly on the money there is little I could add. A Star Trek future depends upon unity not separation and hatred. Like the founding principles of the United States "live and let live" or "agree to dissagree" that's why this country was made and the Federation was of course based on it. That's not to say everyone should be a mindless zombie with no uniqueness but it is to say that our love of ourselves and what makes us different should never supercede our unity as one culture and one nation.
Of course I'm talking about a new level of culture we haven't yet reached, you have to understand the difference. Neither of us implied that bad people should be allowed to continue doing bad things to other people and minorities should just lay down and die. In order for this better culture to function it requires the willing participation of all people.
Of course I'm talking about a new level of culture we haven't yet reached, you have to understand the difference. Neither of us implied that bad people should be allowed to continue doing bad things to other people and minorities should just lay down and die. In order for this better culture to function it requires the willing participation of all people.
From this kneejerk liberal I say we definitely need g.a.y republicans. The more the merrier. I have not attended pride in over a decade myself, though irritated to have missed 10,000 maniacs this year at it. And I'm possibly the most boring and conservative behaving person in the world. But I do say that the best way to reach a new level of culture is for it to be in the open with taboo and shock value removed. We also need to see plenty of g.a.y accountants with hornrimmed glasses and football players etc...
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I thought about saying a lot of ignorant people crawled out of subspace but then I remembered its always like this on the forums. So, a party, eh. sex, drugs and rock'n'roll . Well have fun.
"Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint."
Umm apparently you have lived a good life where everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya, but in parts of the world not everyone is so lucky. Prejudice is alive and well, and I'd like to see a lgbt person go to staunch fundie party in dixie without being kicked out or harassed. No, sorry there are people that wish death on all lgbt people, and their parties do not include everyone. But congrats on the great life you live around such great people, must be nice.
I've literally been publicly humiliated and my friend assaulted for being g*a*y* at the "wrong" bar, the wrong party so to speak. Yep, welcome to the US. ( and by wrong, i mean just a regular bar in the middle of a regular town )
You don't anything about my life, which is why I know you're assuming everything was kumbaya in order to support your argument that prejudice and hate is exclusive to LGBT (In this instance). Prejudice/Hate/Discrimination is alive and well and crosses many boundaries, not just ones of the sexual nature, and it affects all of us, not just one group of people. I am of the opinion that humanity needs help and "parties" as a whole, because tolerance is not learned from being nicer to LGBT or Democrats or Republicans or any random club members it's learned from engaging people on the most basic level. Who are you?, what's your name?, how can I help?, what do you need?, are you ok?, how do you feel? are questions that you should be asking, not are you affiliated? what's your preference? or I'm this, I'm that. "I'd like to see a lgbt person go to a staunch fundie party in dixie", that's not a logical argument, that's like me saying I want to go into a gang/mafia/group-counter to my race/group-counter hangout/club/HQ to my belief system, and come out ok. That doesn't exist. Humanity needs to learn to break from their groups, and come together as a whole, and that neither group of people with any specific trait is more important than the other. This is my argument.
For this occasion, Stonewall Fleet will be hosting events throughout the weekend. The events are open to the entire Star Trek Online community and we warmly welcome you, your friends and fleet to join us!
Join STOPride! To participate in all the festivities and follow along with the days events, please join the STOPride channel, which will be active on the weekend of the event! Enter '/channel_join STOPride' to join.
Check out the complete weekend schedule at fleet.stonewallgaming.net/pride.
Sounds like great fun, thank you for inviting us!
Is there any location set for the fashion pageant on the 26th? I usually find it fun to see what creative things people come up with, but maybe it's outright impossible to have it in public with the existing population caps.
Hey datfmirage, Yea we will be on Risa for that particular event, on the top level of the promenade that sells the surf boards.
If you.. or anyone wants to join the dedicated channel (info on the link) updates/times & locations of events will be made on there, we can shoot anyone a team invite if they are having trouble getting in.
You should join in with making a costume for your toon too.. for one category or both - Colourful creation : just come up with the most bright and loud costume you can, so jazzy it will make us nauseous lol - Sc-fi/Fantasy Character : Dress yourself up as your fav character from a sci-fi or fantasy TV or Movie
after that is a pub quiz on teamspeak, which is a laugh.. we also have a scavenger hunt.. a raffle is actually taking place now to win a T6 jem attack ship, and a few more prizes thanks to some amazing donations from other fleets (SD)
if you did want to purchase a raffle ticket have a look on our link to see who's giving them out or to join the chat channel. fleet.stonewallgaming.net/pride
Everyone is welcome to this party, everyone.. everyone who wants to have fun with fellow STO players
We also want to get the biggest Shuttles Vs Carrier PvP runs in STO history, so deck out your shuttles and join in!
wow, a lot of long-winded posts I'll never read because who cares? No one here is important enough to convince me to read more than two paragraphs of self-righteous babble.
This PRIDE event will be the biggest yet, and I'm excited to be there again this year. Thanks to Stonewall fleet for organizing this much-needed event.
I took time and effort to type out a response, and you call them long winded and self-righteous. When you can't argue the substance you attack the character.
And also... how can you make that claim if " I'll never read because who cares?".
I think he means that you only get to read so many words during the course of your life, so make em count.
"But, but but" people trashposting in a thread about the PRIDE event...
Ahh, calling my thought out post trash, and saying it's not worth reading because it's too much of an in-depth response to a claim that nobody seems to be able to defend.
In order for this better culture to function it requires the willing participation of all people.
It really doesn't. We can bypass all the bad elements and hold them up as counterexamples for the rest.
Looking forward to doing just that in two days.
The problem with that approach is that it is the opposite creating unity, instead it creates strife and division. It might sound nice the way it's phrased there, but in practice, it amounts to nothing more than declaring your point of view to be the only right one and alienating anyone who disagrees.
Since I haven't read the post, I can neither say that it was "well-thought-out" nor "indefensible." I can only take you at your word that it is, and I decline to do so.
Your allegedly well though out post is on a forum about a computer game based on television fiction. What's more: the thread in the forums based on fiction is an invitation to attend a party. That's it.
There's no "deep thought" needed. Go to the party or don't. You don't need to write a thesis on it.
I happen to believe that a person should act mature and civil at all times, even when anonymously online, gaming forum or not. I chose to say what I did because I typically hold Startrek fans with a higher standard then your average game forum. I expected open expansive ideas and discussion that have evolved beyond the base self-serving passive aggressive outmoded thinking. We may not live in a Startrek universe, but we can eventually get there by learning to respect one another.
Since I haven't read the post, I can neither say that it was "well-thought-out" nor "indefensible." I can only take you at your word that it is, and I decline to do so.
Your allegedly well though out post is on a forum about a computer game based on television fiction. What's more: the thread in the forums based on fiction is an invitation to attend a party. That's it.
There's no "deep thought" needed. Go to the party or don't. You don't need to write a thesis on it.
Stop with the back seat modding. If you think someone did something wrong you can report their post. But aside from that there is no place for you telling someone else their post is not "needed". You aren't a moderator, so stop pretending you are.
10 years ago, this thread would be full of support, and if anyone had issues with it, they would do the right thing and go to PMs. How I miss those days.
Doesn't matter if it belongs in 10-Forward or not. Just shut the heck up, and take it to PMs. Or enjoy the party, et al. Jesus, it's not rocket science. If you want to get technical, I can give you the formulas for stable orbits, etc. Mods can move threads if they wish (and it seems that things are okey-dokey as they stand). So shut up. Enjoy the party, and be thankful for it.
My personal preference for avoiding large walls of text on a video game forum is anything but.
If someone isn't breaking the rules, then your personal preference doesn't matter. People don't need your approval to make long posts if they so wish. So yes, stop trying to be a moderator.
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Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.
Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.
You're tired of seeing these posts? Don't click on the thread.
The topic is a loaded weapon, everyone knows it's going to go off, it's not about if but when, it's not like other topics that are generally preference or ethics neutral. I completely and totally agree with Samt1996, not because I want to see stuff like this swept under the rug or hidden from all sight, I just think it's pretty ridiculous. Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint. The problem with this is, that it's basically expressing the support of the belief of an elitist mindset. Personally, I think the best thing you can do is invite to your parties without the need for ethical judgement every time someone disagrees with you. Division is what separates us, finding a way to create bridges through positive avenues that don't require slogans or leverage help far more than preaching to the choir, and cementing the hardliners beliefs in exclusionary activities.
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Straight people don't have rallies, parties and events celebrating the fact they are straight. Because they are the MAJORITY. Nobody thinks your a terrible human being just because you're straight. Nobody fires you from your job because your boss found out you're straight. Nobody denies you service because you "look" straight. And nobody tried to beat you up when you were a kid because they thought you were straight.
These events have nothing to with being "elitist". It has everything to do with demanding the same rights and respect everybody else does. And as can be seen in this particular fleet celebration as well as in most LGBT events on the planet, everybody is invited.
Firstly, minority doesn't mean you get to have a Napoleonic complex about being the minority. It just means it looks like you are compensating for some sort of issue. The louder, and more flagrant you are, the more I tend to think you have special types of issues, especially those whom need to advertise parties concerning their sexual preferences, I find especially odd. There are plenty of other minorities, should there be parties for tall people? or parties for people with big feet? How about parties for people who's right arms are shorter than their left arms? For all the effort you put into saying how natural your life style is, you certainly go way out of your way to have an unnatural party for a natural thing. It's not like you need to train for anything, or do anything special, just having the title of blah, and you are celebrated, even if you are a terrible person in reality. Being celebrated for doing nothing is what I call elitist and rhetorical. In essence, you are saying, congratulations for surviving the cruelties of the straights as if all straights are in the same category of the persons whom have hurt you or others in the past, and you are ignoring the potential vice versa situations where reverse discrimination is very well a possibility in some environments.
As far as getting fired, denial of service, or getting beat up. You can say this for many classes of faiths, culture and ethnicity. You are just making it surround your personal issues. You are playing the victim, as if everyone does this, and back to your majority/minority comment. The majority accepts you for who you are, even if they don't agree, and things are changing, however I guarantee, it is in zero parts to parties like this. This is simply a selfish need to feed ones own ego, as if their own personal preference is more advanced than the majorities. There is no goal here other than the self serving goal of ones of preferential choice. As far what you said about people thinking I am a terrible human being, I don't care what other people think, because I know who I am, I don't need a party to strengthen the resolve of the choices I have made in my life. I have experienced things in my life that are bad too, but I don't require a party to make me realize how far I have come in my life. What is more important to me than anything is humanity getting its priorities straight. I happen to believe in a Startrek style future, I also think the Startrek future only happens when we learn to integrate, not separate. What you do in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom. That's what a civilized society with their own individual and unique opinions of what their sexuality should behave like.
Common sense says because individuals all have differing likes and dislikes of races, creeds, faiths, politics and more, it is best not brought up in public venues, as it only serves to enhance our differences, and polarize us from a sociological standpoint. What about others whom get denied service? or bullied as children, or unjustly fired? I guarantee those things just don't happen to LGBT members, and by bringing this up as an argument, you marginalize the others who aren't LGBT who have been through worse than you and others. If you want to do something good, don't make it about the bedroom, make it about actual problems and actual solutions in the real world. Do something respectable, raise money for charity, help feed someone in need, heck, even devote a specific event into specifically talking about what happened in Orlando, and how it effected you. Otherwise the act of advertising the party is just a completely self serving event, that essentially means nothing at all, because many people have experienced what you potentially experienced,and probably worse, and ignoring that fact reveals truth about the real nature of the party, which is essentially promoting LGBT over Straight, because LGBT people's life experiences are inherently more important according to the concept of the party. If you didn't think that, you wouldn't need to have a LGBT party, you would just have a party.
Umm apparently you have lived a good life where everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya, but in parts of the world not everyone is so lucky. Prejudice is alive and well, and I'd like to see a lgbt person go to staunch fundie party in dixie without being kicked out or harassed. No, sorry there are people that wish death on all lgbt people, and their parties do not include everyone. But congrats on the great life you live around such great people, must be nice.
I've literally been publicly humiliated and my friend assaulted for being g*a*y* at the "wrong" bar, the wrong party so to speak. Yep, welcome to the US. ( and by wrong, i mean just a regular bar in the middle of a regular town )
Yes parties like these are also being organized to meet people who are like you AND to give self-confidence. And considering the fact that the suicide rate among LGBT people is more than four times as high as among straight people shows that this is indeed necessary. Implying that being a member of the LGBT community is a "choice they made in life" gives me a very good understanding what you actually think about this subject. And no neatly packed half-logic argument can cloud the fact, that homophobia is still an issue.
You got to be kidding me. "Don't talk about discrimination. It will go away by itself." That approach worked very well in the past, didn't it?
From this kneejerk liberal I say we definitely need g.a.y republicans. The more the merrier. I have not attended pride in over a decade myself, though irritated to have missed 10,000 maniacs this year
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You don't anything about my life, which is why I know you're assuming everything was kumbaya in order to support your argument that prejudice and hate is exclusive to LGBT (In this instance). Prejudice/Hate/Discrimination is alive and well and crosses many boundaries, not just ones of the sexual nature, and it affects all of us, not just one group of people. I am of the opinion that humanity needs help and "parties" as a whole, because tolerance is not learned from being nicer to LGBT or Democrats or Republicans or any random club members it's learned from engaging people on the most basic level. Who are you?, what's your name?, how can I help?, what do you need?, are you ok?, how do you feel? are questions that you should be asking, not are you affiliated? what's your preference? or I'm this, I'm that. "I'd like to see a lgbt person go to a staunch fundie party in dixie", that's not a logical argument, that's like me saying I want to go into a gang/mafia/group-counter to my race/group-counter hangout/club/HQ to my belief system, and come out ok. That doesn't exist. Humanity needs to learn to break from their groups, and come together as a whole, and that neither group of people with any specific trait is more important than the other. This is my argument.
Hey datfmirage, Yea we will be on Risa for that particular event, on the top level of the promenade that sells the surf boards.
If you.. or anyone wants to join the dedicated channel (info on the link) updates/times & locations of events will be made on there, we can shoot anyone a team invite if they are having trouble getting in.
You should join in with making a costume for your toon too.. for one category or both
- Colourful creation : just come up with the most bright and loud costume you can, so jazzy it will make us nauseous lol
- Sc-fi/Fantasy Character : Dress yourself up as your fav character from a sci-fi or fantasy TV or Movie
after that is a pub quiz on teamspeak, which is a laugh.. we also have a scavenger hunt.. a raffle is actually taking place now to win a T6 jem attack ship, and a few more prizes thanks to some amazing donations from other fleets (SD)
if you did want to purchase a raffle ticket have a look on our link to see who's giving them out or to join the chat channel.
fleet.stonewallgaming.net/pride
Everyone is welcome to this party, everyone.. everyone who wants to have fun with fellow STO players
We also want to get the biggest Shuttles Vs Carrier PvP runs in STO history, so deck out your shuttles and join in!
It really doesn't. We can bypass all the bad elements and hold them up as counterexamples for the rest.
Looking forward to doing just that in two days.
I took time and effort to type out a response, and you call them long winded and self-righteous. When you can't argue the substance you attack the character.
And also... how can you make that claim if " I'll never read because who cares?".
Ahh, calling my thought out post trash, and saying it's not worth reading because it's too much of an in-depth response to a claim that nobody seems to be able to defend.
Read over the event schedule ... sounds like some fun. I DEFINITELY want to be there for the end of festivities CaH game lol.
In-game for event as Lindsay (my Ferengi is going to take the weekend off for ... obvious reasons
*Edit* Would be nice if people arguing would take it to PMs instead of muddying up your thread
My character Tsin'xing
I happen to believe that a person should act mature and civil at all times, even when anonymously online, gaming forum or not. I chose to say what I did because I typically hold Startrek fans with a higher standard then your average game forum. I expected open expansive ideas and discussion that have evolved beyond the base self-serving passive aggressive outmoded thinking. We may not live in a Startrek universe, but we can eventually get there by learning to respect one another.
Stop with the back seat modding. If you think someone did something wrong you can report their post. But aside from that there is no place for you telling someone else their post is not "needed". You aren't a moderator, so stop pretending you are.
10 years ago, this thread would be full of support, and if anyone had issues with it, they would do the right thing and go to PMs. How I miss those days.
Doesn't matter if it belongs in 10-Forward or not. Just shut the heck up, and take it to PMs. Or enjoy the party, et al. Jesus, it's not rocket science. If you want to get technical, I can give you the formulas for stable orbits, etc. Mods can move threads if they wish (and it seems that things are okey-dokey as they stand). So shut up. Enjoy the party, and be thankful for it.
@sheldonlcooper
Look up Log Cabin Republicans, and you will find what you have asked for.
If someone isn't breaking the rules, then your personal preference doesn't matter. People don't need your approval to make long posts if they so wish. So yes, stop trying to be a moderator.