one thing any decent human being should be doing is supporting those in florida who were gunned down because they were victims of an absolutely senseless act of terrorism on innocent people.
Yeah, It's very easy to come across as trying to say you're better than everyone else.
I am better than everyone else.
Hey, that's my line!
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I'm a member of the LGBT community, and I have to admit, I never "got" all this pride stuff. It's just what I am, why does it need to be more complicated? Should I throw a parade for being under 6 feet tall? Or because I have feet?
Somehow I doubt the validity of your statement. Pride is a statement of unity and openness, a stance against discrimination and intolerance that says we will not be forced back in the closet because of your insecurity. If you truly payed attention to the politics affecting us, the regions against us and truly lived openly, you would understand why we have Pride.
You can shut your damned mouth. I live very openly. I have to deal with prejudice every time I leave the house. I have to have my very large best friend with me at all times, even when just shopping, cause some small-minded moron might decide to beat me up for trying to be who I am. You don't get to say garbage like this to me.
I'm not towing the line so I'm no longer valid? This kind of BS attitude is exactly why the hell I stay away from such "events". Sorry for not being part of your little collective.
You have my total support here. Just because someone is part of the LGBT community doesn't mean that if they don't participate in a 'Pride' event they aren't LGBT. The other poster is as ignorant and bigotted as any other racist/bully/dictator/or basher and should be ashamed. Not all people want to throw it into other people's faces who or what they are!! They just want a peaceful and happy life!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Its Amazing to see that the majority of you will be dropping by to join in and have fun.
Its a day all about coming together for fun, peace and love of the game, no matter who you are, we do and plan this for the entire STO community.
feel free to take part in any of the competitions here "fleet.stonewallgaming.net/pride" .. from Shuttles Vs Carrier PvP, Costume competitions to Scavenger hunts.. all in the name of a good time, and maybe win some prizes!
Its open to all no matter if you just happen to be a LGBT.. or an Xbox or PS4 lover.. or a stamp collector etc etc
The fact that announcing a pride still generates arguments and haters shows why it's needed. When no one gives a TRIBBLE, that's when it is comparable with under-six-foot pride. Orlando wasn't an isolated incident. Last year over 20 trans people were murdered in the US and not a single murder from 2013 to 2015 resulted in a prosecution. In the UK, a quarter of homeless youth are LGBT. Casual homo- bi- and transphobia feeds into a toxic vein in society that encourages hatred of the whole community and enourages people to hate themselves leading to teen suicide rate of 30%. And, as we've seen recently, more drastic acts. Pride still has a big role for the individual and the community. The vast majority are average people - not the ones the news cameras focus on - who 90% of the time are pressured to hide who they are by people who don't like it "shoved in their face". You may bicker about details and how you'd personally do it better. Or point to flaws of this person or that but Pride has served us well since the Stonewall riots that began the journey to more equal laws we are getting today. I'd pick the current prides over any other alternative people have half-arsed come up with over the years as an excuse to snipe and sneer. Don't like it? Don't attend. Don't have to start an argument over someone announcing it.
Congratz on the 7th one of these. Some fine folks in Stonewall Fleet. Nice of you to share your celebration with the rest of us.
Happy to support your shindig however I can. Dunno if I can participate or not, might be working that weekend. I will make an effort though.
To paraphase Billy Shakespeare: "The game! The game's the thing! Wherein we'll all enjoy ourselves playing with friends again!"
Oh, Stonewall, one more thing: Not having any of that really really expensive Spanish ham on the buffet is - a deal breaker. lol
And you know who I'm talking to here, don't you?
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
This really has nothing to do with the game.. sorry its about your sexuality not the game and its leanings...
This should be in off topic I'm sorry its just the truth.. just because recent events and such does not mean it should be on a game forum that is dedicated to the game.. not real life politics. Please do not say this is STO related.. STO is being used as a forum for your political and sexual views not other other way around.
You make an exception for the LGBT community well better be ready to make that same exception for KKK, BLM, Black Panthers or any religious group out there claiming they want to do a "STO event". There are many other formats to get your event noticed.. but not on this forum...
This really has nothing to do with the game.. sorry its about your sexuality not the game and its leanings...
This should be in off topic I'm sorry its just the truth.. just because recent events and such does not mean it should be on a game forum that is dedicated to the game.. not real life politics. Please do not say this is STO related.. STO is being used as a forum for your political and sexual views not other other way around.
You make an exception for the LGBT community well better be ready to make that same exception for KKK, BLM, Black Panthers or any religious group out there claiming they want to do a "STO event". There are many other formats to get your event noticed.. but not on this forum...
So, if I read this correctly, every other human being on the planet, except you, is a member of some sort of radical group. Further we should view things exactly the way you do and anyone who does not should be run off.
You did not post here to promote the playing of STO. You posted here to express a personal political view.
How curious it is you perform the exact same action you accuse the OP of.
Seems like you have some things in common with the OP. Both of you play STO. Both of you post on this forum. Both of you are prideful of who and what you are and what you stand for.
Might wanna be careful there, Mate. Your buddies might read this and see just how much you have in common with the OP and then decide you're not their kinda people anymore. No more monster truck pulls or dating your cousins for you
17th Century attitudes have no place or reason in the 21st.
Why can you not just see them as human beings? Gene would have wanted you to. The fact you cannot makes a complete lie out of every time you tell someone you are a Star Trek fan.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
The fact that announcing a pride still generates arguments and haters shows why it's needed. When no one gives a ****, that's when it is comparable with under-six-foot pride. Orlando wasn't an isolated incident. Last year over 20 trans people were murdered in the US and not a single murder from 2013 to 2015 resulted in a prosecution. In the UK, a quarter of homeless youth are LGBT. Casual homo- bi- and transphobia feeds into a toxic vein in society that encourages hatred of the whole community and enourages people to hate themselves leading to teen suicide rate of 30%. And, as we've seen recently, more drastic acts. Pride still has a big role for the individual and the community. The vast majority are average people - not the ones the news cameras focus on - who 90% of the time are pressured to hide who they are by people who don't like it "shoved in their face". You may bicker about details and how you'd personally do it better. Or point to flaws of this person or that but Pride has served us well since the Stonewall riots that began the journey to more equal laws we are getting today. I'd pick the current prides over any other alternative people have half-arsed come up with over the years as an excuse to snipe and sneer. Don't like it? Don't attend. Don't have to start an argument over someone announcing it.
You mention the number of trans which were killed, but can you tell me how many heterosexuals were killed?
Just for reference off course.
Should any crime be given priority because of the sexual preference of the victim or perpetrator? For that matter, should any crime be given priority based upon skin color?
Why is it that its always about openness and equality, but when something goes south the call for special treatment is stronger than ever?
I would argue that the debates surrounding a "pride" do not provide proof that it is necessary, but rather that it is an obsolete tool which should be retired.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
This really has nothing to do with the game.. sorry its about your sexuality not the game and its leanings...
This should be in off topic I'm sorry its just the truth.. just because recent events and such does not mean it should be on a game forum that is dedicated to the game.. not real life politics. Please do not say this is STO related.. STO is being used as a forum for your political and sexual views not other other way around.
You make an exception for the LGBT community well better be ready to make that same exception for KKK, BLM, Black Panthers or any religious group out there claiming they want to do a "STO event". There are many other formats to get your event noticed.. but not on this forum...
So, if I read this correctly, every other human being on the planet, except you, is a member of some sort of radical group. Further we should view things exactly the way you do and anyone who does not should be run off.
You did not post here to promote the playing of STO. You posted here to express a personal political view.
How curious it is you perform the exact same action you accuse the OP of.
Seems like you have some things in common with the OP. Both of you play STO. Both of you post on this forum. Both of you are prideful of who and what you are and what you stand for.
Might wanna be careful there, Mate. Your buddies might read this and see just how much you have in common with the OP and then decide you're not their kinda people anymore. No more monster truck pulls or dating your cousins for you
17th Century attitudes have no place or reason in the 21st.
Why can you not just see them as human beings? Gene would have wanted you to. The fact you cannot makes a complete lie out of every time you tell someone you are a Star Trek fan.
A here is the comeback of the a-typical closed mined individual.....
I never stated my views other then that politics and such that are not directly game related should not be on this forum...
I say the rules apply to everyone evenly and that making an exception is slippery road to go down.. and you come back with personal attacks.
The fact you saw all these other things in my post that I didn't say shows what a weak and paranoid individual you are.
This really has nothing to do with the game.. sorry its about your sexuality not the game and its leanings...
This should be in off topic I'm sorry its just the truth.. just because recent events and such does not mean it should be on a game forum that is dedicated to the game.. not real life politics. Please do not say this is STO related.. STO is being used as a forum for your political and sexual views not other other way around.
You make an exception for the LGBT community well better be ready to make that same exception for KKK, BLM, Black Panthers or any religious group out there claiming they want to do a "STO event". There are many other formats to get your event noticed.. but not on this forum...
So, if I read this correctly, every other human being on the planet, except you, is a member of some sort of radical group. Further we should view things exactly the way you do and anyone who does not should be run off.
You did not post here to promote the playing of STO. You posted here to express a personal political view.
How curious it is you perform the exact same action you accuse the OP of.
Seems like you have some things in common with the OP. Both of you play STO. Both of you post on this forum. Both of you are prideful of who and what you are and what you stand for.
Might wanna be careful there, Mate. Your buddies might read this and see just how much you have in common with the OP and then decide you're not their kinda people anymore. No more monster truck pulls or dating your cousins for you
17th Century attitudes have no place or reason in the 21st.
Why can you not just see them as human beings? Gene would have wanted you to. The fact you cannot makes a complete lie out of every time you tell someone you are a Star Trek fan.
A(And) here is the comeback of the a-typical(atypical) closed mined(minded) individual.....
I never stated my views other then(than) that politics and such that are not directly game related should not be on this forum...
I say the rules apply to everyone evenly and that making an exception is slippery road to go down.. and you come back with personal attacks.
The fact you saw all these other things in my post that I didn't say shows what a weak and paranoid individual you are.
Nope. Not that way at all. If you're going to cross my gunsight I have to take the shot.
Since when is comparing the LGBTQ Community to the KKK not an attack?
Fact: Stonewall Fleet announced they are hosting events all week. How is this not game related?
You say the rules apply to everyone. Yet according to your original post, you get to decide what the rules are and how evenly they are applied. I call B.S.
The OP deliberately mentioned Stonewall Fleet was hosting events all week in game and then gave the briefest of synopsis to explain. The primary explanation was they've been around since the beginning of STO. Anyone with common sense should have read it that way.
You came in here all Westgate Baptist like and fired off a post where you compared the LGBTQ community to the KKK and other groups like them. I grew up in Mississippi during the Sixties. You absolutely do not have the first clue about the KKK and what they stand for.
I thank God for this. Although based on what's above, you'd probably make member of the year if you joined.
Oh and if you look carefully, I edited your post. The written word is a precision instrument and should be used as such.
Also, Spell Check is your friend.
Stonewall Fleet announced anniversary celebrations in the 1st post. I was gonna skip out because I am somewhat behind at work. Now, because it will deeply offend you, I'll be there with bells on and loud and proud about it.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
You make an exception for the LGBT community well better be ready to make that same exception for KKK, BLM, Black Panthers or any religious group out there claiming they want to do a "STO event".
Because LGBT pride events are the exact same thing as hate groups.
Oh, and religious groups have had events in STO, and they have advertised on the forums. For the most part, nobody really cares.
Attention, Stonewall Fleet! Would someone please post a schedule here?
I would appreciate knowing the when and where, thank you.
Not gonna hold anyone's feet to the fire on this, but I'd like something if you can please find the time to do so.
:::My attempt to swerve this potential trainwreck back onto the rails:::
EDIT: Whoops. My bad. Really should stop speed scrolling.
This is what I asked for <fleet.stonewallgaming.net/pride> Thanks, people. Much appreciated.
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A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
This really has nothing to do with the game.. sorry its about your sexuality not the game and its leanings...
This should be in off topic I'm sorry its just the truth.. just because recent events and such does not mean it should be on a game forum that is dedicated to the game.. not real life politics. Please do not say this is STO related.. STO is being used as a forum for your political and sexual views not other other way around.
You make an exception for the LGBT community well better be ready to make that same exception for KKK, BLM, Black Panthers or any religious group out there claiming they want to do a "STO event". There are many other formats to get your event noticed.. but not on this forum...
Nah, the event is good and necessary for the community. It's good and the fleet arranging it is good.
This really has nothing to do with the game.. sorry its about your sexuality not the game and its leanings...
This should be in off topic I'm sorry its just the truth.. just because recent events and such does not mean it should be on a game forum that is dedicated to the game.. not real life politics. Please do not say this is STO related.. STO is being used as a forum for your political and sexual views not other other way around.
You make an exception for the LGBT community well better be ready to make that same exception for KKK, BLM, Black Panthers or any religious group out there claiming they want to do a "STO event". There are many other formats to get your event noticed.. but not on this forum...
So, if I read this correctly, every other human being on the planet, except you, is a member of some sort of radical group. Further we should view things exactly the way you do and anyone who does not should be run off.
You did not post here to promote the playing of STO. You posted here to express a personal political view.
How curious it is you perform the exact same action you accuse the OP of.
Seems like you have some things in common with the OP. Both of you play STO. Both of you post on this forum. Both of you are prideful of who and what you are and what you stand for.
Might wanna be careful there, Mate. Your buddies might read this and see just how much you have in common with the OP and then decide you're not their kinda people anymore. No more monster truck pulls or dating your cousins for you
17th Century attitudes have no place or reason in the 21st.
Why can you not just see them as human beings? Gene would have wanted you to. The fact you cannot makes a complete lie out of every time you tell someone you are a Star Trek fan.
A(And) here is the comeback of the a-typical(atypical) closed mined(minded) individual.....
I never stated my views other then(than) that politics and such that are not directly game related should not be on this forum...
I say the rules apply to everyone evenly and that making an exception is slippery road to go down.. and you come back with personal attacks.
The fact you saw all these other things in my post that I didn't say shows what a weak and paranoid individual you are.
Nope. Not that way at all. If you're going to cross my gunsight I have to take the shot.
Since when is comparing the LGBTQ Community to the KKK not an attack?
Fact: Stonewall Fleet announced they are hosting events all week. How is this not game related?
You say the rules apply to everyone. Yet according to your original post, you get to decide what the rules are and how evenly they are applied. I call B.S.
The OP deliberately mentioned Stonewall Fleet was hosting events all week in game and then gave the briefest of synopsis to explain. The primary explanation was they've been around since the beginning of STO. Anyone with common sense should have read it that way.
You came in here all Westgate Baptist like and fired off a post where you compared the LGBTQ community to the KKK and other groups like them. I grew up in Mississippi during the Sixties. You absolutely do not have the first clue about the KKK and what they stand for.
I thank God for this. Although based on what's above, you'd probably make member of the year if you joined.
Oh and if you look carefully, I edited your post. The written word is a precision instrument and should be used as such.
Also, Spell Check is your friend.
Stonewall Fleet announced anniversary celebrations in the 1st post. I was gonna skip out because I am somewhat behind at work. Now, because it will deeply offend you, I'll be there with bells on and loud and proud about it.
Thank for proving what a irrational and closed minded person you are...
Maybe of you used half your brain that you would of understood that the reference to the KKK and BLM and such was to point out groups that would be insulting... and the rules are there for a reason. I guess your to dense to understand that.
At this point if I were in LGBT community I would be embarrassed by your immature behavior...
Oh and FYI everything was spelled correctly you dolt.. they were grammar errors.. something that happens when a language is not your primary. Spell check does not fix those... so maybe instead of insulting and acting like a moron get a education.
I'm pleased to have largely been able to avoid wading in here. I stand in reserve with my ample rhetorical hammer.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
these events are important. bringing players and fleets together. and maybe leads to opening up some minds. it's a celebration in game. of course it belongs to in game forum.
Congrats people who make alt accounts to continue fighting on the forums. You are worse than most trolls. - @LaughingTrendy twitter
You mention the number of trans which were killed, but can you tell me how many heterosexuals were killed?
Just for reference off course.
Should any crime be given priority because of the sexual preference of the victim or perpetrator? For that matter, should any crime be given priority based upon skin color?
Bigotry is a strong evidence of motive. That, in turn, ought to be an excellent prosecution tool for obtaining a conviction. I may agree with you that it shouldn't be a criteria for adding harshness to a sentence, and I suspect we're on the same wavelength about sentencing in general, but what about places where the juries are likely to be stocked with bigots, or the judge is one?
Bigotry as a motive is one thing... saying you think someone is a criminal because of ideology is another entirely. And yes, that IS what you said. You said that demonstrating that the accused has political views you dislike "ought to be an excellent prosecution tool". It's not because it has no actual bearing on whether the person is guilty. This is why trials are based on collecting evidence that the accused actually DID something rather than simply saying something.
The other issue that comes up is recidivism. A skinhead busted for assault isn't going to come out of prison LESS likely to double-down on their offenses, nor are they even AS likely-they are MORE likely. These are things the justice system SHOULD be taking into account-but currently is restricted from doing so by sentencing rules.
for that matter, is it a good idea for a guy with a stack of misdemeanours at 17 directed at **** or minorities to have his record cleared at eighteen and join the police at 22-with his ideas intact? It happens.
a lot.
there's room for some debate. IDEALLY justice should be blind to race, sexual orientation, religion and ethnic background, but our society ain't there yet.
It's not justice if the punishment is different based on the ideology of the perpetrator. Sure, it makes sense to sentence based on previous transgressions, but that's NOT based on ideology. It's based on the individual's demonstrated willingness to commit crimes.
Why is it that its always about openness and equality, but when something goes south the call for special treatment is stronger than ever?
this should be self-evident. whether the extreme ends get their way is what should be rare-human beings are ****, they're selfish, and they will pressure for 'their' tribe or subgroup over others if given half a chance. the pressuring shouldn't bother you, what should bother you is when they have a point-which is pretty damn often.
I would argue that the debates surrounding a "pride" do not provide proof that it is necessary, but rather that it is an obsolete tool which should be retired.
Debate is good. It's good because the alternative is either sullen apathy and passive-aggression, or outright aggression and violence-which are NOT GOOD.
Yeah, and drawing people's attention to the fact that you see yourselves as an abnormal part of society? How does that promote equality?
Oh dear.
- It's a community event open to everybody
- the event is not a political one. The fleet is celebrating its 7th anniversary
- the forum moderators are ok with it being posted here. They had an entire week to move it to another section of the forums but chose not to
- there have been plenty of announcements by fleets doing special events in the past. I have never seen this kind of opposition when Starfleet Dental or some other fleet did a special event. So there must be other reasons why certain individuals feel the need to complain
- the event is not a political one. The fleet is celebrating its 7th anniversary
That's not actually what the OP says....
Yes it is. Unless you call an explanation of why they are named Stonewall Fleet a political statement. And since political discussions are a violation of forum rules and the mods chose not to close this thread down, they must agree with me. Anyway it's a fun event for everybody to enjoy. Nothing wrong with it.
My take is any fleet that is in thier seventh year is worth celebrating, congrats guys!
Having said that, I believe the need to place oneself in a peg based on some sort of socio-construct truely discriminates against the worlds smallest, yet largest minority of humanity, the individual.
to be honest i dont understand the point of all of this,i respect it but i dont understand it.
in my younger years,well im not that old now but whatever i use to dj and i had a group of friends from all types of people that form part of the lgbt sort.
they never bothered with any of this stuff,no pride events,no parades nothing,they were just people and whatever sexual preference they are i dont really care as long as they are good people and they have a good heart and a good brain in their head, the rest doesnt really matter.
and we always hang out together,never had a problem because in the end we are all people,now i understand that in some places of the world some folks might not think the same.
but do you really think that an event like this will have any effect whatsoever on people from Afghanistan for example,or any other country where they hate on people because they have a different sexual prefference?
just seems to me like a poor cry of attention,look at me,worship me,im special blah blah blah,i just see these sort of events like doing more harm than actual good.
but hey this is my opinion,do as you please,i for one wont be attending,dont really see the need for someone to celebrate the fact that they like to do the nasty with a people of their same sex...hmm maybe i should call my friend,he likes to get it on with melons,you know make a hole,microwave for 30 seconds and then do his bussiness,i mean he should have the same rights as others right?
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And I fixed that for you.
Hey, that's my line!
You have my total support here. Just because someone is part of the LGBT community doesn't mean that if they don't participate in a 'Pride' event they aren't LGBT. The other poster is as ignorant and bigotted as any other racist/bully/dictator/or basher and should be ashamed. Not all people want to throw it into other people's faces who or what they are!! They just want a peaceful and happy life!
My character Tsin'xing
Its a day all about coming together for fun, peace and love of the game, no matter who you are, we do and plan this for the entire STO community.
feel free to take part in any of the competitions here "fleet.stonewallgaming.net/pride" .. from Shuttles Vs Carrier PvP, Costume competitions to Scavenger hunts.. all in the name of a good time, and maybe win some prizes!
Its open to all no matter if you just happen to be a LGBT.. or an Xbox or PS4 lover.. or a stamp collector etc etc
Happy to support your shindig however I can. Dunno if I can participate or not, might be working that weekend. I will make an effort though.
To paraphase Billy Shakespeare: "The game! The game's the thing! Wherein we'll all enjoy ourselves playing with friends again!"
Oh, Stonewall, one more thing: Not having any of that really really expensive Spanish ham on the buffet is -
a deal breaker. lol
And you know who I'm talking to here, don't you?
This should be in off topic I'm sorry its just the truth.. just because recent events and such does not mean it should be on a game forum that is dedicated to the game.. not real life politics. Please do not say this is STO related.. STO is being used as a forum for your political and sexual views not other other way around.
You make an exception for the LGBT community well better be ready to make that same exception for KKK, BLM, Black Panthers or any religious group out there claiming they want to do a "STO event". There are many other formats to get your event noticed.. but not on this forum...
So, if I read this correctly, every other human being on the planet, except you, is a member of some sort of radical group. Further we should view things exactly the way you do and anyone who does not should be run off.
You did not post here to promote the playing of STO. You posted here to express a personal political view.
How curious it is you perform the exact same action you accuse the OP of.
Seems like you have some things in common with the OP. Both of you play STO. Both of you post on this forum. Both of you are prideful of who and what you are and what you stand for.
Might wanna be careful there, Mate. Your buddies might read this and see just how much you have in common with the OP and then decide you're not their kinda people anymore. No more monster truck pulls or dating your cousins for you
17th Century attitudes have no place or reason in the 21st.
Why can you not just see them as human beings? Gene would have wanted you to. The fact you cannot makes a complete lie out of every time you tell someone you are a Star Trek fan.
You mention the number of trans which were killed, but can you tell me how many heterosexuals were killed?
Just for reference off course.
Should any crime be given priority because of the sexual preference of the victim or perpetrator? For that matter, should any crime be given priority based upon skin color?
Why is it that its always about openness and equality, but when something goes south the call for special treatment is stronger than ever?
I would argue that the debates surrounding a "pride" do not provide proof that it is necessary, but rather that it is an obsolete tool which should be retired.
A here is the comeback of the a-typical closed mined individual.....
I never stated my views other then that politics and such that are not directly game related should not be on this forum...
I say the rules apply to everyone evenly and that making an exception is slippery road to go down.. and you come back with personal attacks.
The fact you saw all these other things in my post that I didn't say shows what a weak and paranoid individual you are.
Nope. Not that way at all. If you're going to cross my gunsight I have to take the shot.
Since when is comparing the LGBTQ Community to the KKK not an attack?
Fact: Stonewall Fleet announced they are hosting events all week. How is this not game related?
You say the rules apply to everyone. Yet according to your original post, you get to decide what the rules are and how evenly they are applied. I call B.S.
The OP deliberately mentioned Stonewall Fleet was hosting events all week in game and then gave the briefest of synopsis to explain. The primary explanation was they've been around since the beginning of STO. Anyone with common sense should have read it that way.
You came in here all Westgate Baptist like and fired off a post where you compared the LGBTQ community to the KKK and other groups like them. I grew up in Mississippi during the Sixties. You absolutely do not have the first clue about the KKK and what they stand for.
I thank God for this. Although based on what's above, you'd probably make member of the year if you joined.
Oh and if you look carefully, I edited your post. The written word is a precision instrument and should be used as such.
Also, Spell Check is your friend.
Stonewall Fleet announced anniversary celebrations in the 1st post. I was gonna skip out because I am somewhat behind at work. Now, because it will deeply offend you, I'll be there with bells on and loud and proud about it.
Because LGBT pride events are the exact same thing as hate groups.
Oh, and religious groups have had events in STO, and they have advertised on the forums. For the most part, nobody really cares.
Attention, Stonewall Fleet! Would someone please post a schedule here?
I would appreciate knowing the when and where, thank you.
Not gonna hold anyone's feet to the fire on this, but I'd like something if you can please find the time to do so.
:::My attempt to swerve this potential trainwreck back onto the rails:::
EDIT: Whoops. My bad. Really should stop speed scrolling.
This is what I asked for <fleet.stonewallgaming.net/pride> Thanks, people. Much appreciated.
Nah, the event is good and necessary for the community. It's good and the fleet arranging it is good.
Thank for proving what a irrational and closed minded person you are...
Maybe of you used half your brain that you would of understood that the reference to the KKK and BLM and such was to point out groups that would be insulting... and the rules are there for a reason. I guess your to dense to understand that.
At this point if I were in LGBT community I would be embarrassed by your immature behavior...
Oh and FYI everything was spelled correctly you dolt.. they were grammar errors.. something that happens when a language is not your primary. Spell check does not fix those... so maybe instead of insulting and acting like a moron get a education.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
People aren't "persecuting a minority" by saying it doesn't belong here. This event is about political activism, not Star Trek, or this computer game.
Comments about "equality" and "justice" trying to justify this are pointless. STO does not exist as a platform to campaign for either of those things.
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It's okay, you can be wrong too.
It's not justice if the punishment is different based on the ideology of the perpetrator. Sure, it makes sense to sentence based on previous transgressions, but that's NOT based on ideology. It's based on the individual's demonstrated willingness to commit crimes.
Yeah, and drawing people's attention to the fact that you see yourselves as an abnormal part of society? How does that promote equality?
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- It's a community event open to everybody
- the event is not a political one. The fleet is celebrating its 7th anniversary
- the forum moderators are ok with it being posted here. They had an entire week to move it to another section of the forums but chose not to
- there have been plenty of announcements by fleets doing special events in the past. I have never seen this kind of opposition when Starfleet Dental or some other fleet did a special event. So there must be other reasons why certain individuals feel the need to complain
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Yes it is. Unless you call an explanation of why they are named Stonewall Fleet a political statement. And since political discussions are a violation of forum rules and the mods chose not to close this thread down, they must agree with me. Anyway it's a fun event for everybody to enjoy. Nothing wrong with it.
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Having said that, I believe the need to place oneself in a peg based on some sort of socio-construct truely discriminates against the worlds smallest, yet largest minority of humanity, the individual.
Be who you are first, not "what" you are.
Tell us more about why ideology is bad here.
in my younger years,well im not that old now but whatever i use to dj and i had a group of friends from all types of people that form part of the lgbt sort.
they never bothered with any of this stuff,no pride events,no parades nothing,they were just people and whatever sexual preference they are i dont really care as long as they are good people and they have a good heart and a good brain in their head, the rest doesnt really matter.
and we always hang out together,never had a problem because in the end we are all people,now i understand that in some places of the world some folks might not think the same.
but do you really think that an event like this will have any effect whatsoever on people from Afghanistan for example,or any other country where they hate on people because they have a different sexual prefference?
just seems to me like a poor cry of attention,look at me,worship me,im special blah blah blah,i just see these sort of events like doing more harm than actual good.
but hey this is my opinion,do as you please,i for one wont be attending,dont really see the need for someone to celebrate the fact that they like to do the nasty with a people of their same sex...hmm maybe i should call my friend,he likes to get it on with melons,you know make a hole,microwave for 30 seconds and then do his bussiness,i mean he should have the same rights as others right?