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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    This is a Star Trek Online event by a STO fleet.
    This thread will remain here. Please no more debates about this!
    samt1996 wrote: »
    That's speculation, I for one am just tired od seeing general discussion treated as a dumping ground for everything. It does have a specific purpose as do all the other subforum.

    How is the word of a community moderator inadequate for you here?

    I think he meant the suggestion that he was trying to silence people was only speculation, and then he explained the reasoning behind his argument.

    That's how I took it anyway, if not then, as you said, the question of where this belongs is no longer open for speculation now that a mod has gone on the record about it.
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  • samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    That's correct, misplaced threads always annoy me though I rarely comment as such because as others have mentioned it would be a waste of time. I made an exception because I saw the PC brigade of offendotrons make some rediculous comments about silencing people by placing the thread in a more appropriate albeit less visited subforum. I never miss an opportunity to pick a fight with that type of person, just out of principle.
  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    Removing an STO game event from the General Discussion forum to the unread garbage pit is silencing. Here to help. Fortunately you were proven wrong, remember it, learn from it. Defending against silencing LGBT issues works.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,502 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    This is a Star Trek Online event by a STO fleet.
    This thread will remain here. Please no more debates about this!

    Since it is a fleet event, doesn't it technically belong in the fleet section?
    I understand that general discussion gets a lot more attention, but is that really an excuse to introduce a topic in the wrong section?

    I'm really curious where you think that is, because it seems to be referencing a nonexistent subforum which is even more silencing than the garbage pit that is Ten Forward.

    Not nonexistent. Fleet stuff goes arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/categories/fleet-system-and-holdings

    It may be quiet, but that IS the place it belongs IMO if a topic is fleet related.

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  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    questerius wrote: »
    This is a Star Trek Online event by a STO fleet.
    This thread will remain here. Please no more debates about this!

    Since it is a fleet event, doesn't it technically belong in the fleet section?
    I understand that general discussion gets a lot more attention, but is that really an excuse to introduce a topic in the wrong section?

    I'm really curious where you think that is, because it seems to be referencing a nonexistent subforum which is even more silencing than the garbage pit that is Ten Forward.

    Not nonexistent. Fleet stuff goes arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/categories/fleet-system-and-holdings

    It may be quiet, but that IS the place it belongs IMO if a topic is fleet related.

    You are delirious. That's for game system feedback, not events. Literally no one looks there for fleet events.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    Since a mod has already weighed in on this, further discussion could potentially be considered discussing moderation, so I think both sides should really just drop it at this point before anyone gets in trouble.
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  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    Since a mod has already weighed in on this, further discussion could potentially be considered discussing moderation, so I think both sides should really just drop it at this point before anyone gets in trouble.

    On the contrary, he answered an earlier question of mine, however did so with ridiculous logic. Under his scheme, General Discussion itself would be emptied into topic-specific subforums on game system feedback (for a forum exists for each major faction there.) In no way am I discussing the moderator's earlier opinion. But you get on with your bad self, rules lawyer.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    Since a mod has already weighed in on this, further discussion could potentially be considered discussing moderation, so I think both sides should really just drop it at this point before anyone gets in trouble.

    On the contrary, he answered an earlier question of mine, however did so with ridiculous logic. Under his scheme, General Discussion itself would be emptied into topic-specific subforums on game system feedback (for a forum exists for each major faction there.) In no way am I discussing the moderator's earlier opinion. But you get on with your bad self, rules lawyer.

    I'm just trying to help people stay out of trouble, I personally don't care if people discuss moderation, but it is derailing this thread at this point.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Removing an STO game event from the General Discussion forum to the unread garbage pit is silencing. Here to help. Fortunately you were proven wrong, remember it, learn from it. Defending against silencing LGBT issues works.
    I thought you said this was a "fleet event" and not a political one....
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  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    I have my suspicions on the motives of anyone and everyone who tried to get this topic moved.
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  • ripanton#1911 ripanton Member Posts: 10 New User
    > @thekodanarmada#7342 said:
    > I have my suspicions on the motives of anyone and everyone who tried to get this topic moved.

    so what? nobody cares about your suspicions little sister man
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    I have my suspicions on the motives of anyone and everyone who tried to get this topic moved.

    I suggested it be moved, and in response to your post I'll reiterate and expand on what I said in that first post I made in this thread:

    My father is g.a.y. I've known this for as long as I can remember. To me it is as normal as being straight. I have been, and always will be very proud of my father despite his many flaws, of which his sexuality is not one.

    And to clarify, he is my biological father, was married to my biological mother who knew his previous SO was a man when they started dating, and he is not Bi.
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  • puckerbrushpuckerbrush Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    I have my suspicions on the motives of anyone and everyone who tried to get this topic moved.


    My father is g.a.y. I've known this for as long as I can remember. To me it is as normal as being straight. I have been, and always will be very proud of my father despite his many flaws, of which his sexuality is not one.

    Ah, the old "I'm not because my friends/family/other are" explanation. Flawed logic, even if a true statement.

    People get so riled up over trivialities. I'm glad this thread is still going and in general discussion where it needs to be. STO is a great community, full of mostly supportive people.


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  • ripanton#1911 ripanton Member Posts: 10 New User
    > @puckerbrush said: STO is a great community, full of mostly supportive people.

    not what you said over on the SA furums
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    I have my suspicions on the motives of anyone and everyone who tried to get this topic moved.


    My father is g.a.y. I've known this for as long as I can remember. To me it is as normal as being straight. I have been, and always will be very proud of my father despite his many flaws, of which his sexuality is not one.

    Ah, the old "I'm not because my friends/family/other are" explanation. Flawed logic, even if a true statement.

    People get so riled up over trivialities. I'm glad this thread is still going and in general discussion where it needs to be. STO is a great community, full of mostly supportive people.


    I'll let my past forum activity speak for me then. A year ago a featured episode included a line of dialogue that resulted in it's announcement thread becoming a massive LGBT argument. In that thread, I supported cryptic's inclusion of this, and argued against people who suggested that a kid merely learning of the existence of homosexuality would necessitate explaining the birds and the bees to them.

    I do not wish to silence anyone, I simply had a misguided view of what classifies as general discussion, a view that would have disqualified all fleet event announcements. A mod has clarified that, and I'm fine with that explanation.
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  • lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    Removing an STO game event from the General Discussion forum to the unread garbage pit is silencing. Here to help. Fortunately you were proven wrong, remember it, learn from it. Defending against silencing LGBT issues works.

    Hold on right there. The instant you start talking about 'silencing LGBT issues' and making this an issue about that side of things, you are making this a political issue, which is against the rules on this forum.

    So which is it, a fleet event or a political one under the guise of a fleet event? Because one of those is against the rules. Keep the politics and political bs out of this discussion before you force this thread to end up locked.
    I have my suspicions on the motives of anyone and everyone who tried to get this topic moved.

    Keep your accusations to yourself. and that statement sounds awfully political in nature
  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    Removing an STO game event from the General Discussion forum to the unread garbage pit is silencing. Here to help. Fortunately you were proven wrong, remember it, learn from it. Defending against silencing LGBT issues works.

    Hold on right there. The instant you start talking about 'silencing LGBT issues' and making this an issue about that side of things, you are making this a political issue, which is against the rules on this forum.

    So which is it, a fleet event or a political one under the guise of a fleet event? Because one of those is against the rules. Keep the politics and political bs out of this discussion before you force this thread to end up locked.
    I have my suspicions on the motives of anyone and everyone who tried to get this topic moved.

    Keep your accusations to yourself. and that statement sounds awfully political in nature

    You're reaching. Worse, you're willfully ignoring motive under the color of 'sufficiently obscured.' Do stop.

    In the eight pages of the Shutup Wesley 2015 Holiday Event, posted in General Discussion, exactly zero mentions were made about moving it to Ten Forward. Seemed immediately to be all the rage here though for this fine event, for .. whatever reasons.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,502 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    questerius wrote: »
    questerius wrote: »
    This is a Star Trek Online event by a STO fleet.
    This thread will remain here. Please no more debates about this!

    Since it is a fleet event, doesn't it technically belong in the fleet section?
    I understand that general discussion gets a lot more attention, but is that really an excuse to introduce a topic in the wrong section?

    I'm really curious where you think that is, because it seems to be referencing a nonexistent subforum which is even more silencing than the garbage pit that is Ten Forward.

    Not nonexistent. Fleet stuff goes arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/categories/fleet-system-and-holdings

    It may be quiet, but that IS the place it belongs IMO if a topic is fleet related.

    You are delirious. That's for game system feedback, not events. Literally no one looks there for fleet events.
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    Feedback in the broadest sense of the word: recruitment and events included. This is where it belongs regardless of how many people visit the section.

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  • datfmiragedatfmirage Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    akrilon wrote: »
    For this occasion, Stonewall Fleet will be hosting events throughout the weekend. The events are open to the entire Star Trek Online community and we warmly welcome you, your friends and fleet to join us!

    Join STOPride! To participate in all the festivities and follow along with the days events, please join the STOPride channel, which will be active on the weekend of the event! Enter '/channel_join STOPride' to join.

    Check out the complete weekend schedule at fleet.stonewallgaming.net/pride.
    Sounds like great fun, thank you for inviting us!

    Is there any location set for the fashion pageant on the 26th? I usually find it fun to see what creative things people come up with, but maybe it's outright impossible to have it in public with the existing population caps.

  • samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.

    Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.
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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    samt1996 wrote: »
    I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.

    Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.

    Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.

    You're tired of seeing these posts? Don't click on the thread.
  • originalspockoriginalspock Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    nabreeki wrote: »
    samt1996 wrote: »
    BTW specific groups are targeted by Islamic terrorists all the time. Christians, Jews, anyone else not Muslim. Women who wear clothes and drive....

    And you left out the largest group by far: other muslims, who have made up the vast majority of casualties from islamic terrorism.
    szim wrote: »
    samt1996 wrote: »
    I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.

    Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.

    Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.

    You're tired of seeing these posts? Don't click on the thread.

    The topic is a loaded weapon, everyone knows it's going to go off, it's not about if but when, it's not like other topics that are generally preference or ethics neutral. I completely and totally agree with Samt1996, not because I want to see stuff like this swept under the rug or hidden from all sight, I just think it's pretty ridiculous. Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint. The problem with this is, that it's basically expressing the support of the belief of an elitist mindset. Personally, I think the best thing you can do is invite to your parties without the need for ethical judgement every time someone disagrees with you. Division is what separates us, finding a way to create bridges through positive avenues that don't require slogans or leverage help far more than preaching to the choir, and cementing the hardliners beliefs in exclusionary activities.
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    Has anyone figured out by now that any real world topic results in ESD Zone chat fallout? It doesn't take a vulcan to figure this out.
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    I hope your event is fun and every who attends has a great time!
  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    I hope your event is fun and every who attends has a great time!

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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    nabreeki wrote: »
    samt1996 wrote: »
    BTW specific groups are targeted by Islamic terrorists all the time. Christians, Jews, anyone else not Muslim. Women who wear clothes and drive....

    And you left out the largest group by far: other muslims, who have made up the vast majority of casualties from islamic terrorism.
    szim wrote: »
    samt1996 wrote: »
    I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.

    Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.

    Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.

    You're tired of seeing these posts? Don't click on the thread.

    The topic is a loaded weapon, everyone knows it's going to go off, it's not about if but when, it's not like other topics that are generally preference or ethics neutral. I completely and totally agree with Samt1996, not because I want to see stuff like this swept under the rug or hidden from all sight, I just think it's pretty ridiculous. Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint. The problem with this is, that it's basically expressing the support of the belief of an elitist mindset. Personally, I think the best thing you can do is invite to your parties without the need for ethical judgement every time someone disagrees with you. Division is what separates us, finding a way to create bridges through positive avenues that don't require slogans or leverage help far more than preaching to the choir, and cementing the hardliners beliefs in exclusionary activities.

    I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Straight people don't have rallies, parties and events celebrating the fact they are straight. Because they are the MAJORITY. Nobody thinks your a terrible human being just because you're straight. Nobody fires you from your job because your boss found out you're straight. Nobody denies you service because you "look" straight. And nobody tried to beat you up when you were a kid because they thought you were straight.

    These events have nothing to with being "elitist". It has everything to do with demanding the same rights and respect everybody else does. And as can be seen in this particular fleet celebration as well as in most LGBT events on the planet, everybody is invited.
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  • originalspockoriginalspock Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    szim wrote: »
    nabreeki wrote: »
    samt1996 wrote: »
    BTW specific groups are targeted by Islamic terrorists all the time. Christians, Jews, anyone else not Muslim. Women who wear clothes and drive....

    And you left out the largest group by far: other muslims, who have made up the vast majority of casualties from islamic terrorism.
    szim wrote: »
    samt1996 wrote: »
    I'm just tired of seeing inflammatory posts like this so yeah I do want it in another subforum where it would cause less problems. Because a topic like this will always turn political and nasty.

    Before you get too damned smug I would point out that anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows that I am g.a.y so save your breath. I'm just a rational, intelligent one that realizes in order to gain the respect of others I have to respect them and their way of life NOT dance around naked on the streets drunk and high on drugs. What a shameful way to present ourselves.

    Yes, you have to respect their way of life and THEIR RIGHT to post whatever they want on this forums as long as it doesn't represent a direct violation of forum rules. If threads that have the potential of offending someone were banned, this forum would be empty.

    You're tired of seeing these posts? Don't click on the thread.

    The topic is a loaded weapon, everyone knows it's going to go off, it's not about if but when, it's not like other topics that are generally preference or ethics neutral. I completely and totally agree with Samt1996, not because I want to see stuff like this swept under the rug or hidden from all sight, I just think it's pretty ridiculous. Straight people don't have straight parties, typically they are just called parties, and anyone is invited, regardless of background or ethical constraint. The problem with this is, that it's basically expressing the support of the belief of an elitist mindset. Personally, I think the best thing you can do is invite to your parties without the need for ethical judgement every time someone disagrees with you. Division is what separates us, finding a way to create bridges through positive avenues that don't require slogans or leverage help far more than preaching to the choir, and cementing the hardliners beliefs in exclusionary activities.

    I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Straight people don't have rallies, parties and events celebrating the fact they are straight. Because they are the MAJORITY. Nobody thinks your a terrible human being just because you're straight. Nobody fires you from your job because your boss found out you're straight. Nobody denies you service because you "look" straight. And nobody tried to beat you up when you were a kid because they thought you were straight.

    These events have nothing to with being "elitist". It has everything to do with demanding the same rights and respect everybody else does. And as can be seen in this particular fleet celebration as well as in most LGBT events on the planet, everybody is invited.

    Firstly, minority doesn't mean you get to have a Napoleonic complex about being the minority. It just means it looks like you are compensating for some sort of issue. The louder, and more flagrant you are, the more I tend to think you have special types of issues, especially those whom need to advertise parties concerning their sexual preferences, I find especially odd. There are plenty of other minorities, should there be parties for tall people? or parties for people with big feet? How about parties for people who's right arms are shorter than their left arms? For all the effort you put into saying how natural your life style is, you certainly go way out of your way to have an unnatural party for a natural thing. It's not like you need to train for anything, or do anything special, just having the title of blah, and you are celebrated, even if you are a terrible person in reality. Being celebrated for doing nothing is what I call elitist and rhetorical. In essence, you are saying, congratulations for surviving the cruelties of the straights as if all straights are in the same category of the persons whom have hurt you or others in the past, and you are ignoring the potential vice versa situations where reverse discrimination is very well a possibility in some environments.

    As far as getting fired, denial of service, or getting beat up. You can say this for many classes of faiths, culture and ethnicity. You are just making it surround your personal issues. You are playing the victim, as if everyone does this, and back to your majority/minority comment. The majority accepts you for who you are, even if they don't agree, and things are changing, however I guarantee, it is in zero parts to parties like this. This is simply a selfish need to feed ones own ego, as if their own personal preference is more advanced than the majorities. There is no goal here other than the self serving goal of ones of preferential choice. As far what you said about people thinking I am a terrible human being, I don't care what other people think, because I know who I am, I don't need a party to strengthen the resolve of the choices I have made in my life. I have experienced things in my life that are bad too, but I don't require a party to make me realize how far I have come in my life. What is more important to me than anything is humanity getting its priorities straight. I happen to believe in a Startrek style future, I also think the Startrek future only happens when we learn to integrate, not separate. What you do in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom. That's what a civilized society with their own individual and unique opinions of what their sexuality should behave like.

    Common sense says because individuals all have differing likes and dislikes of races, creeds, faiths, politics and more, it is best not brought up in public venues, as it only serves to enhance our differences, and polarize us from a sociological standpoint. What about others whom get denied service? or bullied as children, or unjustly fired? I guarantee those things just don't happen to LGBT members, and by bringing this up as an argument, you marginalize the others who aren't LGBT who have been through worse than you and others. If you want to do something good, don't make it about the bedroom, make it about actual problems and actual solutions in the real world. Do something respectable, raise money for charity, help feed someone in need, heck, even devote a specific event into specifically talking about what happened in Orlando, and how it effected you. Otherwise the act of advertising the party is just a completely self serving event, that essentially means nothing at all, because many people have experienced what you potentially experienced,and probably worse, and ignoring that fact reveals truth about the real nature of the party, which is essentially promoting LGBT over Straight, because LGBT people's life experiences are inherently more important according to the concept of the party. If you didn't think that, you wouldn't need to have a LGBT party, you would just have a party.
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