posted this to trendy earlier which hopefully will get the answer you seek -
"Hi Trendy can you please ask the EP for an answer to the end-game connie and it variants question so we can get the "One of the COOLEST and most USELESS ship designs Cryptic ever made" post on page 1 finally answered once and for all. Pretty sure the answer is no endgame variant but that thread is becoming all about semantics so and so didn't actually say variants of the connie etc. thank you vvery much, may the leek be with you "
Also ask her if when can get a clarification on a t6 dirigible. I want to know if CBS is squashing this, or if someone over at Los Gatos just doesn't like zeppelins on account of them being to hard to model. Anybody else need anything answered that hasn't been specifically addressed at this point?
Great question. It could possibly be both. That said, at least they had no problem with letting the ENT era Romulan BOP be both a t1 and a t6 ship. Good stuff
You 've stated that previously. Now which BoP is that? Do Romulans even have BoPs?
Edit: Nevermind. I assume you mean the T'liss? Now those can be upgraded on account of all the weird, and wondrous stuff that a singularity core provides. See?
Oh, definitely. Just like any ship can be upgraded with all the weird, wondrous stuff from our ancient alien friends:
Just tossing my two cents in the mix here: the new Star Trek mobile game, as horrible and grindy as it is, has the ToS 1701 Enterprise as an end game ship; next to a Borg cube, Klingon BoP, D'kora, and a Galor. If Crypitc wants to have something like the Excalibur at a higher level, or even the silly T5/6 Miranda debate, they have an excellent point now. If CBS is allowing one company to use older ships as end game content, why shouldn't they allow Cryptic as well? Unless you count the Steamrunner, the Feds are the only faction that doesn't have a T5/T6 version of any of their T1 Ships. Klingons have Kor/B'Rolth, and Romulans have the Malem/T'varo.
Just tossing my two cents in the mix here: the new Star Trek mobile game, as horrible and grindy as it is, has the ToS 1701 Enterprise as an end game ship; next to a Borg cube, Klingon BoP, D'kora, and a Galor. If Crypitc wants to have something like the Excalibur at a higher level, or even the silly T5/6 Miranda debate, they have an excellent point now. If CBS is allowing one company to use older ships as end game content, why shouldn't they allow Cryptic as well? Unless you count the Steamrunner, the Feds are the only faction that doesn't have a T5/T6 version of any of their T1 Ships. Klingons have Kor/B'Rolth, and Romulans have the Malem/T'varo.
That is a valid point. *BUT*, and this is key, I'm not actually asking for that. If someone else wants to, that's cool. But I am asking for a T6 Excalibur, not a connie. Again though, you make a great and interesting point.
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I should also correct myself: that t1 ENT era Romulan BOP does not have a t6 version, just a t5(u).
uncorrect yourself, because that's exactly what the malem is - a T6 version of the t'varo
Well, I checked in the ship store and the Malem did not seem to have an option to apply the T'varo skin. If that is the case, it would not actually be the *same* ship, which is the point I was making. That said, I haven't actually bought that ship, so I can't speak to the skins it has in the actual ship costume editor.
I should also correct myself: that t1 ENT era Romulan BOP does not have a t6 version, just a t5(u).
uncorrect yourself, because that's exactly what the malem is - a T6 version of the t'varo
Well, I checked in the ship store and the Malem did not seem to have an option to apply the T'varo skin. If that is the case, it would not actually be the *same* ship, which is the point I was making. That said, I haven't actually bought that ship, so I can't speak to the skins it has in the actual ship costume editor.
it ought to be able to; every other T6 ship released that was based off a T5 version can
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The Malem, t5 T'varo, and the T1 T'varo can all use the t5 and t6 T'varo skin (if owned) but only the t1 T'varo can use the old TOS skin. This is actually (what I think) the OP is asking for with the excalibur.
The Malem, t5 T'varo, and the T1 T'varo can all use the t5 and t6 T'varo skin (if owned) but only the t1 T'varo can use the old TOS skin. This is actually (what I think) the OP is asking for with the excalibur.
Essentially yes. Although the truly ironic thing is that the T'varo skin is actually *older*(Ent era) than the TOS skin, yet Cryptic allows the *older* skin on the T5/6 version
The Malem, t5 T'varo, and the T1 T'varo can all use the t5 and t6 T'varo skin (if owned) but only the t1 T'varo can use the old TOS skin. This is actually (what I think) the OP is asking for with the excalibur.
This is literally what the Nagus has been asking for the entire time. Among others, I might add.
CBS has simply mandated that the old, over 200 year aged Constitution class not be made an endgame ship for a game set in the 25th century. Which honestly, not only makes sense, but is totally their prerogative in maintaining a semblance of canonicity for the game.
(This is also why we don't see T'Liss class ships or any analogous TOS styled KDF ships at endgame, either.)
This, however, shouldn't stop the developers from attempting to introduce endgame versions of ships descended from the Constitution, in the forms of the Excalibur and the Exeter. They are not technically Constitution class ships, refit or original.
That is a valid point. *BUT*, and this is key, I'm not actually asking for that. If someone else wants to, that's cool. But I am asking for a T6 Excalibur, not a connie. Again though, you make a great and interesting point.
A T6 Excalibur would be nice anyway. They only have a single ship in each faction for the T2s that are T5 with none T6:
Fed: Escort Refit
KDF: Somraw
Rom: Dhelan
Bringing out the upgrades to lower level ships would make sense. It would allow more customization, which people want as well.
This, however, shouldn't stop the developers from attempting to introduce endgame versions of ships descended from the Constitution, in the forms of the Excalibur and the Exeter. They are not technically Constitution class ships, refit or original.
Agreed. Hopefully we'll get some direction of what ships they'll be going after next once the T6 flagship pack is released.
The closest analogy between what is being asked for with the Cruiser Retrofit (T6) and the T'Varo line is the Faeht Intel Warbird, which is at it's core is exactly the same as the stated purpose of the Excalibur relative to the Constitution.
Personally, the Excalibur is my favorite ship design in the game, but I believe CBS is trying to keep the Constitution silhouette with the JJ movies, so if it's ever going to happen it'll be after they move the movies to a different era/setting.
Given all the other ship decisions they've made, age of the Connie just doesn't hold up as the definitive reason.
Personally, the Excalibur is my favorite ship design in the game, but I believe CBS is trying to keep the Constitution silhouette with the JJ movies, so if it's ever going to happen it'll be after they move the movies to a different era/setting.
Personally, the Excalibur is my favorite ship design in the game, but I believe CBS is trying to keep the Constitution silhouette with the JJ movies, so if it's ever going to happen it'll be after they move the movies to a different era/setting.
Since that is not a JJ-verse game, that seems to contradict the idea that CBS is witholding the "silhouette", as you put it.
I wouldn't really get caught up in what they allow in a mobile game. They are designed to maximize profits with as little effort as possible, to a degree Cryptic could never hope to achieve in this game (though they sure try ...). Its perfectly understandable that such games may not be required to follow the same rules as STO.
And one thing I forgot to mention, if there is any, ANY chance of a T6 Excalibur, it would likely be released during the 50th anniversary celebration, possibly even as an event exclusive ship.
I wouldn't really get caught up in what they allow in a mobile game. They are designed to maximize profits with as little effort as possible, to a degree Cryptic could never hope to achieve in this game (though they sure try ...). Its perfectly understandable that such games may not be required to follow the same rules as STO.
Possibly. Or just as possibly, it proves CBS is not withholding the "silhouette" for the reason you mentioned. We just don't know.
And one thing I forgot to mention, if there is any, ANY chance of a T6 Excalibur, it would likely be released during the 50th anniversary celebration, possibly even as an event exclusive ship.
That is also possible. Or it is possible that it simply depends on who Cryptic's contact is at CBS, and if that person ever changes, the stance could change. Again, we just don't know.
Do we really need another T6 Federation Crusier? That is the question.
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Do we really need another T6 Federation Crusier? That is the question.
That is *a* question, sure. And my answer is that whether *we* need it or not, Cryptic does, because that is how they make their money. Not on cruisers alone mind you, but by continuing to make new ships of every class. So while I am *not* saying a T6 Excalibur is a priority, they definitely *will* be making more Fed cruisers in the future. I am simply asking that an Excalibur be one of them.
Personally, the Excalibur is my favorite ship design in the game, but I believe CBS is trying to keep the Constitution silhouette with the JJ movies, so if it's ever going to happen it'll be after they move the movies to a different era/setting.
Given all the other ship decisions they've made, age of the Connie just doesn't hold up as the definitive reason.
That or the in-universe age is not the reason... It could have to do with who made the non-cgi original model.
Personally, the Excalibur is my favorite ship design in the game, but I believe CBS is trying to keep the Constitution silhouette with the JJ movies, so if it's ever going to happen it'll be after they move the movies to a different era/setting.
Given all the other ship decisions they've made, age of the Connie just doesn't hold up as the definitive reason.
That or the in-universe age is not the reason... It could have to do with who made the non-cgi original model.
If that were the case, then we would not have the connie as a *playable* ship in game at all. But we do. We have *both* the TOS and TMP connies as t1 and t2 playable ships. So no, it's not a matter of Cryptic's legal rights to use(and sell) the ship itself. It is definitely a "rule" they were given by CBS.
Again though, I'm *not* asking for the connie. I'm *not* asking for a 200 year old ship to be made into an end game ship(even though the Ent era Romulan BOP is even *older* than that and the fact that it has a t5 version directly contradicts the whole "age" issue). I'm asking for an end game version of the Excalibur, which is a modern ship in STO's time period. Yes, it is small for a high end cruiser. So is the Avenger. Small high end cruisers may not be the norm, but Cryptic has already shown there are exceptions.
I noticed that timelines had the tos 1701, the constitution and mirror tos 1701 as playable ships. Along side the uss.bounty, 1701d, 74656 ect. A exeter in sto i would hope is at least possible now
What are the sales of the T5 or T6 T'Varos and were they sufficient enough to depress sales of other Romulan T5 or T6 Ships.
Then hypothetically answer that same question about a T5 or T6 Constitution.
Follow the money.
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It's been six plus years and I can't recall reading or hearing any Dev interview elaborating on how Excalibur came to be chosen as the games iconic starship? On that box and all the magazine adverts. There had to be a good reason why a mid-teir cruiser came out ahead of all other designs original to Cryptic's art team of the period. Including the T5 starcruiser variants (their being the top cruiser available for players of the period). I'm sure that there was something said somewhere. I just managed to miss it. That reason, IMO, plays into why I'm agreeing with the OP that the design is being wasted.
If the Devs wish to not separate Excalibur / Exeter from their CBS said crutch that is, IMO, entirely developer bias that they simply need to find their way past.
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What are the sales of the T5 or T6 T'Varos and were they sufficient enough to depress sales of other Romulan T5 or T6 Ships.
Then hypothetically answer that same question about a T5 or T6 Constitution.
Follow the money.
I think it's safe to assume that the iconic ships(such as the Galaxy) sell better than most of Cryptic's original designs. And yet, that doesn't stop them from making a new version of the Galaxy(which always allows people to use the classic Galaxy skin) every chance they get. They definitely *are* following the money, even if the iconic ships are depressing sales of other ships.
It's been six plus years and I can't recall reading or hearing any Dev interview elaborating on how Excalibur came to be chosen as the games iconic starship? On that box and all the magazine adverts. There had to be a good reason why a mid-teir cruiser came out ahead of all other designs original to Cryptic's art team of the period. Including the T5 starcruiser variants (their being the top cruiser available for players of the period). I'm sure that there was something said somewhere. I just managed to miss it. That reason, IMO, plays into why I'm agreeing with the OP that the design is being wasted.
If the Devs wish to not separate Excalibur / Exeter from their CBS said crutch that is, IMO, entirely developer bias that they simply need to find their way past.
It could be "dev bias", or it could very well be that CBS won't allow it. That's a very real possibility. The "problem" is that they have never actually told us that CBS won't allow the Excalibur or variants. They have always *only* mentioned the connie itself when saying what CBS won't allow.
So if CBS won't allow the Excalibur, fine. Just tell us that. But I *do* want them to actually say that, that *CBS* will not allow the Excalibur, not dodge the issue or give the same canned response about the connie. If they actually say *CBS* will not allow the Excalibur, I will believe it is true and accept it as something that simply can't happen.
You see, unlike some on the forums, I *don't* think the devs will actually tell us a direct lie. I don't think they would want to, as individuals, nor do I think they are *allowed* to, as professionals. Instead, if it is a subject they do not really want to answer, they will either make no comment at all, or give a comment that may dodge the issue and give the impression they want.
That being said, I will admit that I *do* think that the fact that they have *not* given us a clear, direct answer to this relatively simple question, after this long, suggests something "strange" is going on. I'm not suggesting any ill motives, but it's definitely...strange.
Slap a third nacelle on the Excelsior modeled on the Galaxy X to further distinguish it from the Connie. It's still a fine design.
Call it a Light Dreadnought.
Emphasize saucer sep and make it like the little cousin of the G-X that is cannon friendly.
Pilot specialization, too!
I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting your idea of a 3-nacelled Excelsior would have the Excalibur as a skin? If not...wrong thread?
Er. No typo'd.
3 nacelled Excalibur (which defuses some of the Connie comparisons) as a mini-Galaxy-X with pilot specialization and ability to saucer separate, which further visually separates it from the Connie (the Connie supposedly could separate but we never saw it and this makes it all around more like a mini-Galaxy-X).
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The-Grand-Nagus
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Oh, definitely. Just like any ship can be upgraded with all the weird, wondrous stuff from our ancient alien friends:
The-Grand-Nagus
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That is a valid point. *BUT*, and this is key, I'm not actually asking for that. If someone else wants to, that's cool. But I am asking for a T6 Excalibur, not a connie. Again though, you make a great and interesting point.
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uncorrect yourself, because that's exactly what the malem is - a T6 version of the t'varo
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Well, I checked in the ship store and the Malem did not seem to have an option to apply the T'varo skin. If that is the case, it would not actually be the *same* ship, which is the point I was making. That said, I haven't actually bought that ship, so I can't speak to the skins it has in the actual ship costume editor.
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it ought to be able to; every other T6 ship released that was based off a T5 version can
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Essentially yes. Although the truly ironic thing is that the T'varo skin is actually *older*(Ent era) than the TOS skin, yet Cryptic allows the *older* skin on the T5/6 version
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This is literally what the Nagus has been asking for the entire time. Among others, I might add.
CBS has simply mandated that the old, over 200 year aged Constitution class not be made an endgame ship for a game set in the 25th century. Which honestly, not only makes sense, but is totally their prerogative in maintaining a semblance of canonicity for the game.
(This is also why we don't see T'Liss class ships or any analogous TOS styled KDF ships at endgame, either.)
This, however, shouldn't stop the developers from attempting to introduce endgame versions of ships descended from the Constitution, in the forms of the Excalibur and the Exeter. They are not technically Constitution class ships, refit or original.
A T6 Excalibur would be nice anyway. They only have a single ship in each faction for the T2s that are T5 with none T6:
Fed: Escort Refit
KDF: Somraw
Rom: Dhelan
Bringing out the upgrades to lower level ships would make sense. It would allow more customization, which people want as well.
Agreed. Hopefully we'll get some direction of what ships they'll be going after next once the T6 flagship pack is released.
Given all the other ship decisions they've made, age of the Connie just doesn't hold up as the definitive reason.
See this post:
http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/comment/12843032#Comment_12843032
Since that is not a JJ-verse game, that seems to contradict the idea that CBS is witholding the "silhouette", as you put it.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I wouldn't really get caught up in what they allow in a mobile game. They are designed to maximize profits with as little effort as possible, to a degree Cryptic could never hope to achieve in this game (though they sure try ...). Its perfectly understandable that such games may not be required to follow the same rules as STO.
And one thing I forgot to mention, if there is any, ANY chance of a T6 Excalibur, it would likely be released during the 50th anniversary celebration, possibly even as an event exclusive ship.
Possibly. Or just as possibly, it proves CBS is not withholding the "silhouette" for the reason you mentioned. We just don't know.
That is also possible. Or it is possible that it simply depends on who Cryptic's contact is at CBS, and if that person ever changes, the stance could change. Again, we just don't know.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
That is *a* question, sure. And my answer is that whether *we* need it or not, Cryptic does, because that is how they make their money. Not on cruisers alone mind you, but by continuing to make new ships of every class. So while I am *not* saying a T6 Excalibur is a priority, they definitely *will* be making more Fed cruisers in the future. I am simply asking that an Excalibur be one of them.
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If that were the case, then we would not have the connie as a *playable* ship in game at all. But we do. We have *both* the TOS and TMP connies as t1 and t2 playable ships. So no, it's not a matter of Cryptic's legal rights to use(and sell) the ship itself. It is definitely a "rule" they were given by CBS.
Again though, I'm *not* asking for the connie. I'm *not* asking for a 200 year old ship to be made into an end game ship(even though the Ent era Romulan BOP is even *older* than that and the fact that it has a t5 version directly contradicts the whole "age" issue). I'm asking for an end game version of the Excalibur, which is a modern ship in STO's time period. Yes, it is small for a high end cruiser. So is the Avenger. Small high end cruisers may not be the norm, but Cryptic has already shown there are exceptions.
The-Grand-Nagus
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Then hypothetically answer that same question about a T5 or T6 Constitution.
Follow the money.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
If the Devs wish to not separate Excalibur / Exeter from their CBS said crutch that is, IMO, entirely developer bias that they simply need to find their way past.
I think it's safe to assume that the iconic ships(such as the Galaxy) sell better than most of Cryptic's original designs. And yet, that doesn't stop them from making a new version of the Galaxy(which always allows people to use the classic Galaxy skin) every chance they get. They definitely *are* following the money, even if the iconic ships are depressing sales of other ships.
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It could be "dev bias", or it could very well be that CBS won't allow it. That's a very real possibility. The "problem" is that they have never actually told us that CBS won't allow the Excalibur or variants. They have always *only* mentioned the connie itself when saying what CBS won't allow.
So if CBS won't allow the Excalibur, fine. Just tell us that. But I *do* want them to actually say that, that *CBS* will not allow the Excalibur, not dodge the issue or give the same canned response about the connie. If they actually say *CBS* will not allow the Excalibur, I will believe it is true and accept it as something that simply can't happen.
You see, unlike some on the forums, I *don't* think the devs will actually tell us a direct lie. I don't think they would want to, as individuals, nor do I think they are *allowed* to, as professionals. Instead, if it is a subject they do not really want to answer, they will either make no comment at all, or give a comment that may dodge the issue and give the impression they want.
That being said, I will admit that I *do* think that the fact that they have *not* given us a clear, direct answer to this relatively simple question, after this long, suggests something "strange" is going on. I'm not suggesting any ill motives, but it's definitely...strange.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Slap a third nacelle on the Excelsior modeled on the Galaxy X to further distinguish it from the Connie. It's still a fine design.
Call it a Light Dreadnought.
Emphasize saucer sep and make it like the little cousin of the G-X that is cannon friendly.
Pilot specialization, too!
I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting your idea of a 3-nacelled Excelsior would have the Excalibur as a skin? If not...wrong thread?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Er. No typo'd.
3 nacelled Excalibur (which defuses some of the Connie comparisons) as a mini-Galaxy-X with pilot specialization and ability to saucer separate, which further visually separates it from the Connie (the Connie supposedly could separate but we never saw it and this makes it all around more like a mini-Galaxy-X).